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User:PHG/Franco-Mongol alliance (full version)‎

• User:PHG/Mongol alliances in the Middle-East
• User:PHG/East-West contacts

These pages are contested prods that should be deleted both per Misplaced Pages:USER#Copies of other pages. PHG has recently been topic-banned on history articles. As part of the ArbCom case, it was discovered that he has been inappropriately archiving disputed and other history-related content in his userspace, some of which pages have been there for years. Kafka Liz (talk) 18:49, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

• Delete all. This is basically a procedural nom, as these particular articles were already discussed at Misplaced Pages talk:Requests for arbitration/Franco-Mongol alliance/Proposed decision#Userspace, and the recommendation was to send them to MfD after the case closed. The "full version" article was already rejected by the community based on discussions at Talk:Franco-Mongol alliance/Archive 5#Consensus poll. The "alliances in the Middle-East" article was already deleted via AfD, and East-West contacts has been sitting in his userspace without change for two years. Per Misplaced Pages:USER#Copies of other pages, "While userpages and subpages can be used as a development ground for generating new content, this space is not intended to indefinitely archive your preferred version of disputed or previously deleted content.". For the detailed ArbCom decision, see Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Franco-Mongol alliance. --Elonka 19:10, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete these forks, as being unlikely to improve anything. Guy (Help!) 19:21, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete Will 19:27, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
• Keep These personal user pages contain a large quantity of references and quotes related to the Franco-Mongol alliance and East-West relations which have been deleted from mainspace articles by some users mainly on grounds that the main article was too long (200k). This highly referenced material will be useful for future discussions, edits, and article expansion. These are not just archives of old pages but material I am working on for future discussions and article improvements. This is important material which should be kept. PHG (talk) 19:32, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
• Keep The thought of deleting the fruits of so much labor offends my sensibilities. Obuibo Mbstpo (talk) 22:24, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
• Comment: The full Wiki-formatted plaintext for these articles can and should find a permanent home on PHG's hard drive if he wants to keep it for his own purposes. Misplaced Pages does not need to continue hosting it. Philwelch (talk) 02:15, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete these forks, they have already been rejected many times via community consensus. PHG can keep the full text or any notes he needs elsewhere; Misplaced Pages is not free hosting space. Shell 02:26, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
• Comment: agree with Philwelch. PHG should save all this to his hard drive, since the fruits of so much labour should not be simply dissolved by community fiat. Misplaced Pages should not continue to host information which has been removed from articlespace in the process of content dispute resolution. On the other hand, he could slim them downed and modify them so that it is apparent they are mere "research notes" and not disputed content. If he does the former, delete. If the latter, review them and keep if they're legitimate. Srnec (talk) 05:15, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
• Questions / Comment: Is there a reason why a simple permanant link to the historical versions cannot be used, in case the deleted parts are of future use to the articles? Do these archived versions differ from what is in the revision histories? Note that if the archived versions are removed, the references to it on Talk:Franco-Mongol_alliance/Archive_5#Consensus_poll will not work. Dforest (talk) 06:10, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree, these versions are referenced extensively in various discussions related to the Franco-Mongol alliance. I am afraid some users are just trying to erase any reference to the longer content about the Franco-Mongol alliance, which is quite unfair. The longer version User:PHG/Franco-Mongol alliance (full version)‎ is also not exactly a version accessible from article History as it has been improved independently during the process of the dispute. It stands in its own right, is linked as a reference to numerous archived discussions, and will still be used as material and reference for the future. PHG (talk) 08:59, 16 March 2008 (UTC)