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WikiProject Biography Summer 2007 Assessment Drive

WikiProject Biography is holding a three month long assessment drive!
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Sock puppet

Checkuser stated it was not related by IP/location to a particular user, no more or less. It did not indicate that the account was not an abusive sockpuppet, only that the account is not related to an individual user. Vassyana (talk) 20:00, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

I understand that, but if you accuse someone of being a sockpuppet then at least you should know the puppet master. Otherwise it is a bit like calling somebody a thief and not being able to answer the question when the thief stole, nor what object he stole , nor from whom the thief stole. Andries (talk) 20:03, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't think that's an apt comparison. If it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck ... The user has an obvious familiarity with the interface (very selective undo, using "rv" to mark a revert). Their edits were geared solely towards edit warring and disruption. Obvious familiarity + disruptive editing = abusive sockpuppet. It is the most common way that abusive sockpuppets are identified. Connections to particular established users are usually decided by a combination of editing patterns and checkuser verification. I hope that helps clear up where I'm coming from. Completely off-topic, how have you been of late? What's been occupying your time on-wiki? Vassyana (talk) 20:12, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

I wrote nl:optische schijf. I am not sure about your reasoning. Someone may have been very familiar with the non-English Misplaced Pages and only then started editing the English Misplaced Pages. Andries (talk) 20:15, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Good deal. :) I saw your edits in en.wiki here and there (making some damn sensible talk page comments). I suppose it could be someone familiar with another wiki, but the immediate participation in edit warring is highly suspicious. Regardless, disruption-only accounts are regularly blocked coming out of the gate. Vassyana (talk) 20:19, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Recovery from cults book cover AFF.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:Recovery from cults book cover AFF.jpg. However, there is a concern that the rationale you have provided for using this image under "fair use" may be invalid. Please read the instructions at Misplaced Pages:Non-free content carefully, then go to the image description page and clarify why you think the image qualifies for fair use. Using one of the templates at Misplaced Pages:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your image is in compliance with Misplaced Pages policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If it is determined that the image does not qualify under fair use, it will be deleted within a couple of days according to our criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thank you.BetacommandBot (talk) 07:45, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Bala Sai Baba

Another editor has added the "{{prod}}" template to the article Bala Sai Baba, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but the editor doesn't believe it satisfies Misplaced Pages's criteria for inclusion, and has explained why in the article (see also Misplaced Pages:What Misplaced Pages is not and Misplaced Pages:Notability). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Misplaced Pages or discuss the relevant issues at its talk page. If you remove the {{prod}} template, the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. BJBot (talk) 10:00, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Sathya Sai Organisation official logo.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:Sathya Sai Organisation official logo.jpg. However, there is a concern that the rationale you have provided for using this image under "fair use" may be invalid. Please read the instructions at Misplaced Pages:Non-free content carefully, then go to the image description page and clarify why you think the image qualifies for fair use. Using one of the templates at Misplaced Pages:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your image is in compliance with Misplaced Pages policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If it is determined that the image does not qualify under fair use, it will be deleted within a couple of days according to our criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thank you.BetacommandBot (talk) 05:15, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Clerical sexual deviancy allegations

Why do you think my title was so bad you had to change it? The allegations were made against PRIESTS not ordinary believers. The current title just panders to fashionable anti-Catholic hate speech. Do you really think that Catholic believers should be singled out in this unfair way? Is[REDACTED] an encyclopedia or just an airing ground for media myths and propaganda? And don't tell me to write an article on other religious group members who have commiteed sexual offences cos I think the whole thing is just totally unscientific. Religion is not necessarily the determining factor. Say a person is a Catholic doctor who commits abuse. What made him do it - being a doctor or being a Catholic? I will not be party to irrational hatred directed at randomly selected groups, based on no evidence - I oppose it and I hope that any decent person would do the same thing. Colin4C (talk) 13:04, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I have so many things to say that I do not know where to start. I am btw one of the main authors of Sathya Sai Baba. Andries (talk) 13:06, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I think there is a reason why the topic of sexual abuse by religious authorities is notable and somewhat different from other sexual abuse. 1. religious authority have more power (sociology) without any responsibility to other worldly authorities and differences of power tend quite naturally to lead to sexual abuse 2. the betrayal of trust in religious matters tends to be quite bad because religion ultimately depends on trust. Andries (talk) 13:59, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: category:critics of Islam

Hi Andries, the appropriate place to review the deletion is Misplaced Pages:Deletion review. I suggest you bring it up there if you think it deserves a category. Thanks. Spellcast (talk) 14:31, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I had listed it there, so I do not understand your comments. Andries (talk) 14:32, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

In that case, let's see if the deletion can be lifted. One of the main reasons it was deleted was because of the vague title and the possibility of too much PoV problems. For it to be undeleted, it has to address those concerns. Spellcast (talk) 14:37, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I understand the objections but I do not agree with them. If we delete articles and categories merely because of possible POv problems then I think 90% of Misplaced Pages should be deleted. Andries (talk) 14:40, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Kirtanananda Swami

"Changed section title I heard a different less flattering story"

I'm interested to hear your different story. Please tell.

Henrydoktorski (talk) 22:09, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

ehh that a devotee of Kirtananda discovered that he had several wives and that he was angry about it, but I may be confused with another successor guru of Prabhupada. Andries (talk) 22:10, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I think perhaps you must be thinking of someone else. Kirtanananda didn't like women.

Regarding the assassination attempt: I believe the words "distraught" and "crazed" are appropriate. I will send an e-mail as I don't want it necessarily available here.

Henrydoktorski (talk) 01:58, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism and other troubles in the article Siege of Leningrad

Hi, Andris,

You are right. Thank you very much for your kind reminder, I had so many books about the on my desk yesterday, that reading and editing the article took much attention, so I used the inuse template without a prior step, as you mentioned; albeit this does not mean that other users can now vandalize the article by deleting well referenced facts of history, with links to Britannica, books from my library, public libraries here in CA, and other sources.

Deletion of well sourced edits is vandalism. I do not have much time for dealing with vandals, and other users, who do not help make Misplaced Pages better.

Regards, Steveshelokhonov 23:52, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Btw, if you know Russian and have time, I would appreciate some help with translating Vistula-Oder offensive from the russian Misplaced Pages. See Andries (talk) 23:57, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Articles are not identical, just like all books on history. The Russian discussion shows no activity since May 2007, their idea to post the original Russian map of operation was not accomplished, and Russian users became inactive. I'll look again during the next weekend. Steveshelokhonov 00:58, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Military history WikiProject coordinator election

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Fair use rationale for Image:Jim_Jones_brochure_of_Peoples_Temple.jpg

Thanks for uploading or contributing to Image:Jim_Jones_brochure_of_Peoples_Temple.jpg. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in Misplaced Pages articles constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use. Suggestions on how to do so can be found here.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Misplaced Pages:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your image is in compliance with Misplaced Pages policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on those pages too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Misplaced Pages page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free media lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Rettetast (talk) 20:05, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

the nerve of some people

<silliness>How dare you wikistalk me to a category deletion discussion and agree with me! The nerve! The outrage!</silliness> Just saying hello and I hope you're doing well. :) Vassyana (talk) 07:57, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

I think this dispute has geographical aspects i.e. activism against Islam seems to be a popular career opportunity (or more positively a popular vocation) lately here in the Netherlands. It is probably not that way in other countries and contributors who voted for deletion may not be aware of the current situation in the Netherlands. Andries (talk) 08:09, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

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Kranenborg

I was depending on my memory of previous conversations regarding the source. I had thought he was discussing conversations involving witnessing to premies. My apologies if my memory is flawed and thanks for keeping close to the source. Do you still have a translation of the section used for reference kicking around? If you do, could I get a wikilink please? Thanks! Vassyana (talk) 22:45, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I just checked it. The word that Kranenborg uses is Dutch "ontmoeting" which is literally "meeting". Andries (talk) 22:46, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Tx

Geen probleem, ik wist waar ik aan begon (translation: No problem, I knew what would be coming my way) --Francis Schonken (talk) 22:57, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

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Prem Rawat 1RR probation

Per the discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard#Prem Rawat 1RR parole proposal, the articles now in category:Prem Rawat are on special 1RR and disruption probation. A notice describing the probation is at talk:Prem Rawat. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 01:32, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

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Rawat link

Since your online, please do us all a favor and remove the Rick Ross link at the PR article.Momento (talk) 21:10, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Prem Rawat articles, should go to RFAR

In my opinion 1rr, and DR via AN and ANI, and discussion, have failed. Take it to RFAR. Lawrence § t/e 18:18, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

I admit that my behavior in the last years was not completely innocent, though I do not think that I have made any serious violation of policies any guidelines in the last half year. Andries (talk) 18:22, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Request for Arbitration

You have been named as a party at Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration#Prem Rawat ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 20:31, 16 March 2008 (UTC)