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Reminding you of this unblock and directing you to this comment:

  • "Breathtaking inanity. ... Your argument is intellectually dishonest, of course, and not meant to be taken seriously." Eleland, 21:51, 28 March 2008.
  • "paper-thin rationalization for tendentious behavior" Eleland, 16:45, 29 March 2008.
  • "in accordance with your own extremist POV." Eleland, 21:46, 2 April 2008
  • "rv exremist POV-pushing" Eleland, 22:17, 2 April 2008
    • The notes "rv extremist POV" diff has also removed the following text from the article and ended up using the source to "branded such proposals as racist and illegal" on notations that don't even appear in the source:
      • "called for a population swap involving minority Arabs living in Israel and Jewish settlers living in occupied territories; Liberman added that he was ready to evacuate his West Bank settlement home in Nokdim to achieve this proposal." source: http://www.dawn.com/2004/05/28/int8.htm (reuters)
  • "This is what we call "shifting the goalposts," Jaakobou. Not to mention "latent racism."" Eleland, 15:26, 16 April 2008
  • "This is a remarkably foolish statement" (to Ynhockey) Eleland, 20:42, 17 April 2008

To remind, editor has continued uncivil commentary even during the 7 day time to which he made his civility pledge. I've posted an AE post regarding this and felt it was closed without proper examination.

With respect, Jaakobou 00:07, 29 March 2008 (UTC) Issue persists, added a second diff. Jaakobou 17:02, 29 March 2008 (UTC) Issue is still persisting. Jaakobou 22:46, 2 April 2008 (UTC) clarify last diff. 23:08, 2 April 2008 (UTC) another one. Jaakobou 16:20, 16 April 2008 (UTC) another, 07:39, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Severe POV/BLP violation:

Recently, Eleland is taking an edit-war approach -- following Pedro Gonnet and Nickhh -- to creating/supporting BLP violations on Avigdor Lieberman (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), a right-wing Israeli politician.

This is one in many instances of extremely disruptive activity regarding source use when the material inside is inconvenient to an anti-Israel theory.

Previously, (a) He'd rejected Washington Times to promote -- alongside PalestineRemembered (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) -- the WP:FRINGE theory/blood-libel that Battle of Jenin was (supposedly) a large scale massacre., (b) Replaced "partisan-hackery links" (CAMERA, AIJAC) with (neutral?) ElectronicIntifada.net. (c) Rejected 'Arutz Sheva', a leading right wing Israeli news outlet for it's (alleged) - "reputation for producing outright fraudulent "news", calling it a "disreputable racist fringe source". (d) He even rejected the word 'documentary' to describe a video only using live-recorded clips of real life situations based on the notion that "it's full of lies". (e) He's also made a similar BLP violation, reinstating a quote made on March 5 into a lead paragraph on Operation Defensive Shield, an Israeli response to a month of suicide bombings culminating with a March 27th attack; this after the paragraph/quote's context was explained more than once (, ).

With respect, Jaakobou 08:09, 5 April 2008 (UTC) touchup 08:13, 5 April 2008 (UTC) issue continues. Jaakobou 22:03, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

POVfication

Zeq (talk) 05:10, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Mossad

I really dont agree with your opinion that the term kidnapping is biased, capture seems to imply legality or the fact that the target was legitimate. On a personal note, I would use the term capture, because I think the act was morally justified, but that would be POV, Kidnapping seems to be a factual term, that does not imply POV either way. Sennen goroshi (talk) 12:52, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

User:Die4Dixie

I see you responded to his attack on me just now. He's also made these: , , , , . He keeps claiming some BS reason, that he's the victim of persecution and whatnot. Grsz11 02:54, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Mudaliar-Venki123 socks

At Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Venki123 Thatcher said, "Saedirof continues to display an unusually close relationship to MarkPC (talk · contribs), which is relevant because they are all editing Devadasi. MarkPC got unblocked last time by appealing to Arbcom, I would ask Jpgordon to do a recheck on MarkPC and Saedirof and see if the explanation he got last time still holds water." Could you have a look at that please. Jehochman 04:00, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Block This Guy, or at Least Do Something

Hey there, Gordon. Please block User:Eddieebo. He told David Levy to **** off, and has posted a death threat on my talk page when I removed his vandalism and sent him the only warning. -- Altiris Helios Exeunt 13:54, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of discussion

Although I agree that some of this exchange was counterproductive, I don't see why you deleted it . A note of, "knock it off" would have been good enough, I think without deleting discussion. Cla68 (talk) 04:53, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

"And that will be quite enough of that"

I assume you deleted that thread because of PatW's comments, which are often uncivil. Or did you object to my question to Jossi about his future plans for editing? I think the question is relevant to the case so I'll re-ask it if it's not considered inappropriate. Please let me know. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 05:01, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

You're fine, no problem; your comments are always helpful, whether or not I happen to agree with them. --jpgordon 05:04, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi Jpgordon it's ironic that you misunderstand me so badly. We both have a lot in common as professional musicians . I am actually a big fan of Oingo Boingo and Elfman soundtracks. (I write movie scores here in the UK - also a blues guitarist-banjoist and pedal steelist). I am also passionate about human ethics and think you have badly misjudged the dynamics that have crippled the article about Rawat for so long. I know about this subject by the way as I was involved with Prem Rawat from 1974 through to 1990's. So I know a lot about that subject. It's a shame that I have been cast as opposing a balanced neutral article by Jossi. I started out on that article declaring that I was committed to an article that was not biased against Prem Rawat. I simply saw the article was highly misrepresentative and omitted a ton of relevant info. In short it was hopelessly biased. I am not against Rawat or for him. I just observe that article extremely hard to make progress on because people like myself are driven away or polarised as 'haters' by Jossi who's views are plainly very Pro Rawat. I am passionate about fairness and simply cannot sit back and calmly ignore what's going on here. Sorry man. Nothing personal but I cannot sit by and see freedom of speech casually brushed aside like you just did. I've re-instated my response to Jossi. I firmly believe my criticisms of the proceedings should remain. I am not being rude - simply not beating about the bush. PatW (talk) 10:32, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
(a) You have no freedom of speech on Misplaced Pages; you only have two rights: to leave and to fork. (b) I've rolled back the reinstatement, and am considering adding much stronger remedies against incivility and disruption in the arbitration case. Please stop giving me grounds to do so. --jpgordon 15:19, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

What do you mean 'to fork'?PatW (talk) 17:49, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

To create your own WP:FORK. --jpgordon 17:53, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
JP, when you threaten to add remedies against incivility and disruption to the case, I assume you mean against all instances of incivility by all editors involved, not just PatW? Right? Cla68 (talk) 20:36, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Feel free to assume whatever you want. --jpgordon 00:46, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
regarding the rights issue. When I was talking about freedom of speech I was really referring to the right that I have to express my concerns on that page in a civil manner. Maybe I put that badly. I have no desire to 'fork' or leave. I understood that expressing strong objections is not disruptive. I also do understand the need for civility and am attempting to remain so. I have a reputation for civility but it is uniquely here that I have found my patience severely tested over the last year or so. By the way, how civil is it to not answer Cla68? Or does your being a judge here exempt you from having to answer civil but confronting questions? How can you expect people to respect your judgements about civility when you snap at people like that? Your response sounded nasty to me or am I just imagining hostility on your part?PatW (talk) 13:39, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
No, you don't have the right to express your concerns anywhere on Misplaced Pages. You have the privilege to do so; one of ArbCom's jobs sometimes is to determine if that privilege is being exercised inappropriately. Civility is most important when one's patience is being severely tested; when everyone is happy with each other, it doesn't much matter if someone says something rude. Civility is for those times when tensions are rising, patience is running thin, and moods are bad; incivility always escalates, and never calms a situation. One can be incivil in two words ("Fuck you!"), but one can also be uncivil in hundreds of very polite-sounding words. Me, I prefer terseness, but in such cases, it's better to say nothing at all, which is what I should have done with the previous question here. (And the straight answer to the question is, "it depends on what evidence develops on the particular matter of uncivil behavior during the arbitration". Really, stop giving me any reason to think about this at all, please.) --jpgordon 15:47, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Please, don't give it any further thought. I understand perfectly.PatW (talk) 19:35, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Anonymizing proxy?

Where is your evidence that 66.93.26.112 is running an anonymizing proxy today? For a very brief period in 2007 or so, it did, but it hasn't been a Tor exit node for months. --Shawn K. Quinn (talk) 16:21, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Who said anything about Tor? But we can make this easy -- are there other users of the .org you've been editing from, or is it just you? --jpgordon 16:30, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
There are two other users, my mom and a close friend of mine, neither of which would normally be editing Misplaced Pages at all, much less from that particular IP address. --Shawn K. Quinn (talk) 17:49, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
If it's just you, I'll lift the block. I'll get annoyed if the IP ends up being used for anything questionable. --jpgordon 22:48, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

User:Chris funk bass

Hi Jpgordon. Is there any reason for this this revert. It seems to me to be standard practice to reinstate blocked user templates on user talk pages. It certainly wasn't vandalism. Cheers, Mattinbgn\ 03:24, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

IRC admin channel

Hi Gordon, I've been having some concerns regarding policy and such relating to the IRC[REDACTED] admin channel on freenode. I was planing on bringing it up by the village pump but then stumbled over this discussion, and now I'm a bit unsure if the village pump is the right place to bring up such suggestions (it's general concerns, not about any specific incident). If I understood things correctly (based on the arbitrator responses on that page) then I should not bring up any suggestions there? Is the village pump the right place to discuss issues regarding this? Are there previous discussions about this anywhere?

I'm sorry to bother you about this, but since you are part of the arbitration committee i assume you are familiar with these issues? :)

Regards --Apis 01:53, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

  • I've been kinda staying in the background on the whole IRC issue, mostly because I'm totally ambivalent about the whole long situation there. Perhaps the pump would be the best place. I'd ask there first; you'll get sent to the right place quickly enough if that ain't it. --jpgordon 04:15, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok, you're right, I'll try the pump :) thanks! --Apis 16:15, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


About "Sockpuppets"

Dear Gordon. You have recently diabled some accounts on this IP address for being sock puppets. None of the accounts are, but all the accounts are used on the same LAN connection at a school. Please investigate futher into this issue. Many thanks from us. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abclop (talk • contribs) 04:58, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

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