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Wikinews

I have noticed that you stated that you think the actions of an OTRS leak at Wikinews was unacceptable. I just want to say a few things. We are a news agency. We report news, regardless of who its about or what its about. We consider our original reporting to be very valuable, but it seems that in my opinion Wikimedia doesn't care. WMF uses secret mailing lists, secret wikis to discuss stuff that I or other Wikinewsies e-mail the staff about. We rarely get any exclusive statements from you or WMF and we certainly are not on the top of the list for giving statements to. I think we deserve some respect. We IMO get none from WMF. I think the recent actions of the staff have shown that they don't want to contribute to WN in any manner. Its really disgusting that we have to force our way into getting information from WMF. As a news agency, and a project of WMF, we should not have to do that. I think this battle has gone on long enough. Please, show us some respect. We more than deserve it. I have been on WN for 2 1/2 years and I never have seen such a great amount of disrespect from WMF. DragonFire1024 (talk) 22:37, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

To the contrary, in my only remarks on the subject, I stated very specifically the Wikinews should be given the same respect as the New York Times. If an OTRS volunteer leaked an email from a 3rd party to the New York Times, I would regard that as a grave abuse of the trust that people place in us when they send us private email. Far from showing a lack of respect for Wikinews, my point is that we should treat Wikinews the same as any other news agency! I will also clarify this over at Wikinews.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 15:02, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

I can understand the abuse part, but also note if the Foundation, the board or anyone else affiliated with WMF in that sense, would make an effort to contact us, or reply to are requests for statements even if to defend themselves, we might not have had a leak. The information in the ticket, at least the specifics as to who from (name of person) and such can still be protected while at the same time, providing us with valuable information to a story. Even if not the ticket, I am sure there is someone who could have commented without violating privacy.

The lack of respect part comes form the foundation ignoring us and only showing interest in us when they see us doing something they call "bad". The lack of respect comes from the fact that some people have comment on the situations, without reading the information. They see a headline or a word or two and panic. I honestly think that no one involved with the deletion or articles and the so called abuse complaints, read anything in any of the articles. If they had, they would have clearly noticed a few things immediately: 1) Neither of them were published, ever. 2) Both were in some form of preparation/development. Had anyone read them, which means looking at the sources and such, then they clearly would see that, and have seen that the information present, and not finished, was all backed up by sources.

I ventured somewhat off track but my point is, WMF goes around moaning and crying when someone misquotes them, but when we step up to present both sides of a situation we get shot down without any consideration whatsoever. "should treat us like the Times" or "any other agency" is a lot different from doing. DragonFire1024 (talk) 00:46, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Jimbo, this is NicholasTurnbull (now at Wikinews) here. I'm afraid to say that I don't believe that your logic regarding Wikinews being treated with "the same respect as the New York Times" really matches what has happened. The actual circumstances are akin to the Foundation, assuming it had the power to remove material from the New York Times at will, deleting a column from publication simply because it contained material unfavourable to the Foundation that had been leaked in an unauthorised manner. In other words, if the Times published the leak, the Foundation could not simply step in and remove the material; in this case, because the subject of the article has ultimate control over the publisher, this conflict of interest has allowed a whitewashing that is unacceptable in terms of journalistic ethics. Wikinews is meant to be presenting news neutrally from the views of the Foundation and cannot be considered to be its propaganda organ. Circumstances where the WMF disagrees with the publication of material should be dealt with as if the WMF was an external party, and to do otherwise is a blatant violation of the Foundation's stated principles of ethics. I call on you to please keep your statement on how we are to be treated, then, and in the future raise disputes over article content just as if you were doing so to the Times: engage in dialogue with us, rather than abusing your power to remove that material. --NicholasTurnbull | (talk) 02:51, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi Jimbo

Firstly, here's a barnstar.

		The Original Barnstar
		For being Mr Wales. SimsFan 18:21, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I know you will get these requests a lot, but I was also wondering if you could sign my guestbook at User:SimsFan/SignBook and anothers at User:The_Canadian_Roadgeek/Guestbook (NB:For The Canadian Roadgeek, would you put I asked you to sign.)
I would really appreciate it if you could take a few moments. Thanks. SimsFan 18:21, 16 May 2008 (UTC) JIMBO, YOU ROCK.

The German Admins

Dear Mr. Wales, unfortunately i sued some of your german admins for using my pictures without permission. I revoced my permission, because some of them banned me, without any reason: it is all a libel and slander. I wrote a mail not only to Misplaced Pages Germany, but also to Misplaced Pages International. Nobody answers. I only wanted to tell you, because I think you should know there is going something wrong with your idea. I was interested in working for Misplaced Pages, but the german admins are a little like IM of the Stasi, while Misplaced Pages is definitely NOT the StaSi. Maybe you will read this and look for a solution. Yours sincerely: --Gwynplain (talk) 20:42, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

*rofl* - wouln't it be so funny, it would be possible to take you to the court, because of these insulting insinuation. Marcus Cyron (talk) 07:05, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Sounds like Sour grapes gone wrong... this copyright has expired and de:Spezial:Contributions/Gwynplain and Special:Contributions/Gwynplain.--Hu12 (talk) 07:36, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

(BK) Wait Marcus, he/she/it sued Misplaced Pages already respectively he/she/it charged against person or persons unknown for felony at the federal prosecutor in Augsburg. He/She/It posted it here and e-mailed something the german OTRS-Support-Team, certainly not only the german. Achates (talk) 07:43, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

You (= Gwynplain) can write a lot - what you do is important. And so it would be interesting, what would happen, if her really has done it. With Edits like the one above he will be "very successfull" ;). Marcus Cyron (talk) 12:59, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

If he really send it in, it is obvious against Misplaced Pages:No legal threats, and he should be banned from all projects. -- Tobnu (talk) 10:07, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

It is true and the indignation and the lack of behaviour (AGF) of the german admins is the reason for it. I will complain every admin of the german[REDACTED] (not[REDACTED] herself!), who violates my rights and tells libel and slander. It is no violation of Misplaced Pages:No legal threats to complain single user-admins, which abuse their rights. You can't hide behind Misplaced Pages:No legal threats for your mistakes, it is wrong to believe that. The german admins and their behaviour is a shame for wikipedia. Not wikipedia! But maybe I am wrong? It is also possible, I also do mistakes. But not this time. Tobnu, Marcus Cyron & Achates should be banned from being admins. You are not automatically right because you are admin. I gave every admin the opportunity to talk nice and friendly with me, but they spit on it. Also I think I am the one and only banned user, who organized a meeting of wikipedians: de:Misplaced Pages:Augsburg, the first ever there. And I was there tho they banned me without any proof. By the way: it is the story of Augeas, not the Sour Grapes, the only grapes here are The Grapes of Wrath, seeded by incompetent admins, who think they are owner of the german wikipedia. And as the last: maybe this will change the social interaction in the german wikipedia, the german[REDACTED] loses every day authors: Einer der Hauptgründe: Der Umgangston innerhalb der Gemeinde wird immer rauer. Translation: One of the main reasons: the conversational tone within the community is getting rougher. I am only the top of the iceberg and i have the courage to tell it. Ban or listen to me - it is your decision. I will leave Misplaced Pages now until your decision and when you decide against me, forever. No problem for both sides, I hope. Please send your answer by e-mail. I want to enjoy my life, with our without wikipedia. --Gwynplain (talk) 16:26, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

First: Jimbo don't have the power to take our Adminship. This only depends to the Comunity of the german language Misplaced Pages. You're begging and crying at the false point. And I belive, Jimbo isn't really interested in your personal problems. Second: please read the article exactly, Gwynplain. The article don't speaks about the german language Misplaced Pages - there's written about the english language Misplaced Pages. Third: You are on the false way. You can't take back a given free licence, because of the bad admins are so cruel to you.... You should had think about that before. Fourth: I hope you will be blocked for all projects soon because of Misplaced Pages:No legal threats. Marcus Cyron (talk) 17:36, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

How to create a WkiProject

How do you create a WikiProject? --BRTman666 (talk) 10:58, 17 May 2008 (UTC)BRTman666

Hi there, reading Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Council/Guide might be useful. Hope this helps! The Helpful One 11:01, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Co-founder or sole founder?

The article Jimmy Wales reads that Jimbo co-founded Misplaced Pages with Larry Sanger, but his own userpage reads that he is the sole founder. I assume that the statement in the article is the correct one, as it is sourced, and the same statement is also found in the Misplaced Pages and History of Misplaced Pages articles, so why does his userpage state that he is the only founder? I personally think that, if not mention Sanger directly, it should at least give the truth that Wales is the co-founder, or if this isn't the truth, all of the articles I read should be worded differently, as they currently clearly state that the site was founded jointly by Wales and Sanger.--Urban Rose 21:34, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

I believe that Jimmy believes he is the sole founder, but the the comminity in encyclopedic articles goes with what is neutral, verifiable etc. Since this is user space, Jimmy can do what he wants. He can declare himself King of the World here, but that does not make it true, or neutral. Zginder 2008-05-17T21:41Z (UTC)

Words can and do mean different things to different people and different things in different contexts. There is nothing wrong with Jimbo being the sole founder in some senses of the term and also co-founder in other senses of the term. See semantics. If natural language was at all logical, Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo would not be possible. WAS 4.250 (talk) 22:51, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Same goes for Parakeet parakeet Parakeet parakeet parakeet parakeet Parakeet parakeet. --StormCommander (talk) 01:53, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

NPOV does NOT mean "neutral", and you yourself said so!

At least, according to User:Filll, about a week ago. That section of the Talk Page is archived, but he said it again here. Can you shed some light on this, perhaps in that newer section? Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 02:35, 18 May 2008 (UTC)