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Interested in potentially featurable images? Help improve existing material from the Misplaced Pages/Commons archives at User:Durova/Landmark images. Durova 18:53, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Israeli-Palestinian conflict disclaimer Yes, I'm a member of Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration and mentor to Jaakobou. That doesn't mean I'm an expert in the content dispute. Roughly I've got as much knowledge of those issues as a well-informed Jerusalem resident would have of U.S.-Mexico border relations. Well-informed by Jerusalem standards isn't the same thing as knowing this week's border crossing waits along la frontera, and vice versa. Durova 18:59, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Trivial pursuit newly posted to my blog.

regarding this comment you made at AN

That's Pinot noir socialist, if you have any real taste in wines. And Napa Valley is far too crass and commercial. Come, dear. Let's brush the dust off the leather seats in the Range Rover and do some tastings along the Russian River. And bring the Sierra Club manual so we can choose a good stroll; did you get the Bose stereo fixed like I asked? ;) DurovaCharge! 11:00, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

• I spit my coffee I laughed so hard. Since I live 30 mins from Napa, and 90 mins from the Russian River....--Rocksanddirt (talk) 16:42, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Teehee, thanks. :) Durova 17:04, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

A Difficult Word On Your User Page

I know I'm just a newcomer and you're some kind of WIKI-Guru, but maybe this will be helpful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.36.74.15 (talk) 02:04, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Please revisit request for improvement

Hi Durova, please revisit your Dino snack request on Graphics Lab and tell us if this is resolved. JFK also doesn't seem to be going anywhere without your input. Dhatfield (talk) 12:11, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

LMAO

I was going to create a whole new section here blaming you for everything from Global warming to MPB, but after a quick look at your talkpage I haven't got the heart for it, not even as a joke. You need to call "Rent-A-Minion" girl, stat! Or, I suppose in a pinch you could call me. Did you still need a hand collecting stats or something? Doc Tropics 03:51, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Sprays more chlorofluorocarbons in the direction of Antarctica Um, what's that? Why yes! Minions!

Seriously, next priority for the performance review is to track requests for clarification. Basically the same info-gathering technique as the last set of data with a few modifications:

• Check the 15th as well as the final day of the month (clarifications might not remain open as long as regular cases)
• For statistical purposes, record the name of the case (so it's possible to parse how long cases remained closed before requests to clarify opened)

I have a hunch that the percentage of cases leading to requests for clarification has been rising. There could be several explanations for such a trend, if it's actually happening. Let's see whether this is on the track of something or not. Best regards, Durova 08:21, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I'll see what I can do, but right now it's Monday morning (at least for me) and RL is demanding some attention, so I'll only be able to work on it in bits and pieces. I'm interested in what kind of trend the stats might indicate; it could be useful detail for some of the discussions that will be going forward from here. BTW - great image  : ) Doc Tropics 16:01, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Ty very much. :) Durova 16:04, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh my, this is embarrassing. The initial discussion took place quite late last night and now I can't find the relevant section amidst all the pages under discussion, or remember the details of how you gathered and vetted the data. When convenient could you either point me back to it or specify your methodology so I can be sure I'm getting it right? Thanks, and happy editing Doc Tropics 18:27, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

What's embarrassing is that I posted Part 1 on May 29 and haven't done Part 2 yet. For wiki-discussion, see Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/Arbitration_Committee#Arbitration_Committee_performance_review. Cheers, Durova 18:30, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I made a brief start here; is that what you're looking for? Is there any other info you want captured as I work back? I feel like my use of markup is clumsy so if you have any tips on formatting I'd be happy to hear them.

Also, I just recently realized I should make a disclosure which might be considered relevant: I'm a member of "Wikiproject:Intelligent Design" which has been named before ArbCom recently and described by complainants as a "Cabal". So far as I know I've never been mentioned by name in any proceedings but someone could conceivably call my objectivity into question based solely on my membership in the project. Furthermore, I've worked with Orangemarlin on a number of articles in the past couple years and regard his contributions quite highly (I consider him a friend although we've never met); since he is very near the center of current events, it's another factor that could be cited if someone were to question my impartiality. I'm mentioning this because I want to give you the opportunity to say "Thanks, but no thanks" to my participation if you feel it might somehow taint the results of your efforts. I'm more than willing to help in your attempt to gather, make available, and analyze statistical data, but I leave it entirely up to you. Doc Tropics 20:40, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

As long as this is strictly quantitative data collection, with links/diffs available for verification, I don't see how anyone could object. And actually to demonstrate impartiality it would be great if we had a third collaborator from Misplaced Pages Review. (If any are lurking, I'm easy to contact). Best, Durova 20:46, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Grrr. I'm apparently an idiot. For some reason, the page I've been reviewing ends on 5/11/08 and I can't find a record that goes further back. I know I'm missing something very obvious and simple, but what? Doc Tropics 15:48, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, the requests for clarification aren't listed in the open tasks template. So I suggest just working from historical versions of the RFAR page itself. Also cut/paste the URL for each historical page revision you work from, so that your work is easy to verify. Durova 16:45, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

yup, I knew I was gonna feel like a moron once you explained it. back on track now. Doc Tropics 19:11, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Aw, I'm just so glad for the help. There are so many nested templates on that page that it does get confusing. Maybe that's why nobody has tracked this before now. Cheers, Durova 18:40, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

POTD notification

Hi Durova,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture Image:Stonemasonry1.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on July 3, 2008. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2008-07-03. howcheng {chat} 04:38, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. :) Durova 16:02, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Triple crown just about cleared..

OK, got out the broom and dusted off some stuff.. :) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:38, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

		Misplaced Pages Motivation Award
		This is for the Triple Crown idea, which has motivated and united all sorts of users in the goal of article creation. Well Done. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:04, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. :) Durova 07:50, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

RFC

Hi, I strongly request that you make such a statement in user space, if possible. There's a real danger that rehashing individual grievances within the RFC would fracture the process and undo any chance of reform. With respect, Durova 17:36, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I had a three year experience with arbcom. I think I have an idea on what is broken. I do not intend to rant, there is plenty of that. -- Cat 18:39, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

You have three years; I have two and a half. We've both seen where the bodies are buried (I could probably even find Jimmy Hoffa by now). Please be very judicious about the direction you take this. Hope you see and respect this. Best, Durova 18:48, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I hope you'll support my decision to move material to talk. Durova 20:29, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi, do you think you can move it back, trim if you have to but that post belongs to the actual original page. Feel free to modify it. RFC talk pages are generally used to discuss material related to the actual RFC page and not related to the actual topic discussed on the RFC page. Much like noticeboard talk pages. -- Cat 11:06, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Now that I see who Jenny is, the comments make so much more sense. And can be taken at the usual value I put to his comments (less than I probably should). --Rocksanddirt (talk) 19:59, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I've been inches from starting a noticeboard thread for disruption surrounding his participation at this RFC. It's taken several shapes and had been going on for days. Durova 20:04, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

You're not alone in that assessment, actually... though I would hope we can avoid an RFC on the RFC? Best, UltraExactZZ ~ Evidence 20:16, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Just an ANI, please. :) Durova 20:25, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Dinosnack good to go

I was rather hoping that would be the caption :) Thanks Durova. Dhatfield (talk) 08:34, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

I so want to, but keep it encyclopedic y'know. :) Durova 08:35, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Block issue

Might make more sense in view of the WP:AE thread covering the IRC remedies. The comment about you writing FT2's statement was unrelated to the block. Avruch 22:06, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. I'm just starting to catch up with this. Durova 22:17, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Ummm

Regarding this statement, you are aware, aren't you, that Giano is currently blocked and can't retract or revise anything anyplace except on his talk page? GRBerry 00:23, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes; it occurred on his talk page. Durova 00:41, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Commons image

Could you look at this image. Notice the author. I am concerned that the entire article Buddhism and Christianity may be a mass of WP:OR and WP:FRINGE. Jehochman 09:36, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Maps need sources even if they're self-made. Please ask the uploader to provide his sources. Durova 09:56, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

It's PHG. He's topic banned. Jehochman 10:18, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

I realize that. As a Commons admin, I can intervene regarding the image but not the en:wiki topic ban. Please ask him to supply his sources. If he refuses to do so in an adequate way I can address the Commons side of this problem. Thank you, Durova 18:48, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Are you still mentoring Jaakobou?

I've only come across him a couple of times in the last few months, but I just happened to look in on an article I helped build up a couple of months ago along with its primary author, before it was put into the real Wiki world. The article - Reactions to the September 11, 2001 attacks - was created in a bid to have a broader article recording the reactions around the world to the 9/11 attacks (ie expressions of support, sympathy etc as well as less savoury reactions). I noticed the introduction had changed quite a bit since I last looked at it, and currently was sitting there with some pretty awkward phrasing. I noted this and other points on the talk page and then copy edited the lead to improve the language and grammar, and used a small part of a previous version in doing that (I made some other edits as well). When I realised that it was Jaakobou who had actually made some of the changes I was working on (he'd made them over a day before I came to the page again as it happens), I noticed he was also canvassing for support in a bid to get the whole article merged. I then asked him on his talk page for more details about why he wanted to do that, and what he was actually proposing in respect of other related articles. As you may recall he's been very active in opposing mergers and deletions of related 9/11 articles, so it just seemed a bit pointy and as if he wants to keep "his" articles, but remove any that have been put together by others. Anyway that's the background ...

Jaakobou then began a mini-edit war over the changes to the introduction, performing a wholesale revert of my tidy up while accusing me of adding "junk" to the article. He then also accused me of stalking him. Another user then just appeared out of nowhere on Jaakobou's talk page to accuse me of the same thing, wrongly claiming I'd never edited "either page" before. On this occasion at least Jaakobou appears to be back to his old habits of taking ownership of articles and making unfounded accusations of stalking against any editor who presumes to question or amend his edits even on just one page. He also threatened me with 3RR sanctions if me or "any of my friends" reverted him, such that we're also back to the old unfounded tag team editing accusations. I find the latter accusation especially galling as Jaakobou is someone with a long history of off-wiki canvassing and contact, whereas I am not. The problem is that I'm not willing to be pushed way from making non-controversial edits by this sort of belligerent attitude and by unsubstantiated accusations - so this kind of conflict is likely to flare up again unless he takes a less proprietorial attitude to certain articles and edits. In fact we have come across each other recently on other pages (him following me, as it happened) where his contribution has been as more of a (relatively) disinterested mediator, so it is possible.

As usual I'm not sure what I hope to achieve by bringing this here, and this particular debate seems to have cooled down now anyway, but it's better than being at WP:AE or WP:ANI I guess. --Nickhh (talk) 16:58, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Nice attempt to label my statements on Jaakabou's talk page as "appearing out of nowhere". I've posted on Jaaka's page many times in the past, unlike your mystery edits to the articles in question. Kyaa the Catlord (talk) 17:34, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Why have you followed me here and posted on another user's talk page about this? Anyway, since you have .. actually you had not participated in that particular discussion on Jaakobou's page, or in today's discussions on the talk page of the article at issue, so coming from "nowhere" was a fair comment, especially as you seemed to have done it purely for the purpose of backing up a false allegation against me. I know you two are buddies, which makes it all the more ironic that Jaakobou is back to his "ganging up" accusations against me. For both you and Durova, here's my contributions page from April showing my involvement in both the "Celebrations .. " and the sandbox "Reactions .." articles. And the discussions about starting the "Reactions .. " article in the first place on my talk page can be found here, here and also here (as well as the next section below it). Note as well I only edited that one today out the two articles btw. Jaakobou has edited many articles since our last flare-up, and I'm not sure I've ended up at any of them until now. Going back to one article that you were heavily involved in starting up, and then running into another editor there who you've come across before, is hardly stalking by most normal people's definition. --Nickhh (talk) 18:03, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Not taking the bait, per WP:DENY. Kyaa the Catlord (talk) 18:23, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

"Bait", "vandalism"? What on earth are you talking about? I'm just providing some links and diffs to correct your claims about my alleged "mystery edits" to articles I've supposedly never been to before. It seems that you're the one prodding and trying to provoke while rather pointlessly stalking me around other users' talk pages ... --Nickhh (talk) 18:32, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi Nick, yes I'm still mentoring Jaakobou. With regard to this particular article I ask you to consult with his other mentor, Avi. As you may be aware, I avoid 9/11 topics because my family was nearly killed in that disaster. Thank you for expressing your concerns; I hope you respect where I'm coming from here. Best regards, Durova 18:45, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I was aware of the background but wasn't sure how it would impact on the mentorship in this case. I'll link this exchange to Avi's. As in the past, I'm not really sure what I'm asking for but it's just frustrating when what's for the most part a fairly simple copy edit becomes the cause of reams of talk page argument and wild accusations against me. I thought that had all stopped. Apologies as well that another user decided to add his two cents worth here, for no particular reason. --Nickhh (talk) 18:54, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Not a problem; you didn't know. I discovered very early in my Wikipedian career that I'm better off steering clear of that one subject. I hope Avi helps you and the whole thing settles down. Best wishes, Durova 19:08, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

The obvious

It's still usually faster to try to find a contact for the author. If it's a recent article, last 5 years, e-mail the contact for any articles, if the scientists isn't a primary contact for the articles. If it's taxonomy, and within the past 10 years, I can probably get you an e-mail address for the scientist. Let me know. I sometimes hesitate to state the obvious, because it is so obvious, but not everyone on Misplaced Pages is used to the same resources, so it can be useful. --Blechnic (talk) 17:51, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the offer. To be candid, what I'm planning to do is to go through a representative sample of Carol's uploads and gather data as I check them: what percentage are obviously valid, what percentage are obviously invalid, and what percentage require a long leap down a rabbit hole. With that I'll report on the number of images reviewed in five or six hours of uninterrupted labor and extrapolate an estimate of the time required to perform a complete audit. Then, unless that research yields a very pleasant surprise compared to what I've encountered so far, I will propose to cut the Gordian knot: mass deletion of all Carol uploads that aren't obviously valid and aren't used in article space. Next, replace as many of the other dubious uploads as possible with non-dubious contributions from other editors. Then decide how many rabbit holes are left and whether it's worth the time and trouble of diving down them. Durova 19:02, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

I think, when you make the edit you could extrapolate how many hours to correct just her new articles? Then double that to include her edits that were not new articles, maybe triple it. Why is she considered such a valuable editor, I don't know, and I have yet to find anything of value in any of her edits. Upon inspection they all fail. I think most of her Dendrosenecio articles will have to be deleted, and I would like to see a bot created that can reduce all of her new articles to references and taxoboxes. I am confused though about this defense of her editorial contributions in the face of piles of evidence indicating almost every article she created is plagiarised at the least, usually from an inapplicable source, and probably false. I keep thinking we have royal flushes on our sides, then find out we're playing low ball. --Blechnic (talk) 19:58, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

My survey will be Commons-only, although I suggest the same methodology to get the en:wiki problem in hand. Durova 20:59, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

I figured--it's just too much work. Let me know whatever your results are. Thanks. --Blechnic (talk) 03:03, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Geogre-William M. Connolley

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Geogre-William M. Connolley/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Geogre-William M. Connolley/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Daniel (talk) 02:09, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Happy Independence Day!

As you are a nice Wikipedian, I just wanted to wish you a happy Independence Day! And if you are not an American, then have a happy day and a wonderful weekend anyway!  :) Your friend and colleague, --Happy Independence Day! Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles 21:37, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

And you as well! :) I'll be uploading something patriotic soon. Perhaps not in time for a 4 July UTC stamp, but before the fireworks begin on my part of the planet (if we wanted to work on European time then we wouldn'ta held that pesky revolution after all...) :) Durova 22:20, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

We just watched the mass balloon lift off and will watch the fireworks at 9:45 PM. Best, --Happy Independence Day! Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles 00:16, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Sounds great! :) Durova 00:26, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

For whatever odd reason they actually took off from our neighborhood this morning (my mother signed a form to allow them to launch from our property). --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles 11:37, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

POTD notification

Hi Durova,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture Image:Adm2.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on July 9, 2008. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2008-07-09. howcheng {chat} 00:52, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much. :) That one was a tough restoration. Best, Durova 00:55, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

New and improved Wollstonecraft and Shelley portraits

See our improved portraits for these wonderful writers here. Awadewit (talk) 18:29, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Gorgeous. :) Durova 18:31, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

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Vandalism disillusionment

Dear Durova, I just reverted hoax/nonsense vandalism that has been unnoticed for nearly two months. Anyway, I now wonder how much more of that has been unnoticed for so long or if this is something rare. It concerns me as I know students use this site (I think most would read the removed material and realize it's bull, but still!). --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles 19:16, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. Sometimes that sort of thing slips in for a while. I try to remove it when I find it also. Durova 05:57, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

italicize ship names

See Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (ships). While it does not explicitly state as such, take a look at almost any ship article here. It is our common practice to do as such. Also, WP:SHIPS has developed specialized templates to aid with the italics and disabigs: {{USS}}, {{HMS}}, {{Sclass}}, and {{warship}}, etc. -MBK₀₀₄ 00:07, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

So why is it our common practice? Durova 00:17, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure, but it's always how ship names have been formatted since I've edited ship pages. If you'd like, you can bring up this question at WT:SHIPS. Perhaps someone else knows. -MBK₀₀₄ 00:21, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I guess I'll look it up before raising this further. Just going by recollection right now and it does seem oddd. Perhaps I'm mistaken. Durova 00:55, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

WP:ITALICS, clear and long-standing convention. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:56, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

All right, Sandy. You prompted me to look it up. Chicago Manual of Style, 15th Edition does have it on page 355. Do you watch my user talk this closely? This is kinda scary. ;) Durova 01:04, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I have your page watched, and I saw the section heading of interest ... a lot of the sources from the Navy in our featured articles have them italicized as well, so I think we're set. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:08, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Heh, moments like this make me think I've been out of the service too long. ty for the helpful hand. Durova 01:13, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I consulted in shipping once and don't remember the italics either; perhaps we focus on different things on Wiki? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:15, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

(outdent) Well, it's odd sometimes how publishing conventions occasionally differ from professional custom within a field. Misplaced Pages's going by the book here so I really can't object. It was just odd to see my own userspace being edited for italics. Here's one more datum to file away in the memory vault. :) Durova 01:41, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Featured picture candidates/Ocean currents, 1943

Your Featured picture candidate has been promoted Your nomination for featured picture status, Image:Ocean currents 1943 (borderless)3.png, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so at Misplaced Pages:Featured picture candidates. MER-C 05:28, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much. :) Durova 05:55, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Commons work

Hi Durova. I'm feeling a bit guilty about not having followed up my promise to look at images on Commons uploaded by CarolSpears. Is the situation in hand or is more needed over there? I would be happy to do other stuff in lieu of that... The other reason I'm feeling guilty about this is that there is at least one other instance where you pointed out that I should do something instead of suggesting others do it. Another AN/ANI thread, I think, but I can't recall it now. Can you remember that one? Carcharoth (talk) 05:59, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh, help is definitely needed. The on-wiki events of the last ten days have really cut into that. I've been waiting for an uninterrupted block of time to start a survey and do some number crunching. Guess I'll just have to take that bull by the horns. Durova 06:03, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, if you don't mind, I'll dabble in wikisource today (another unfulfilled promise) and then have a look at what is needed on Commons after you have made a start. I also need to upload some pictures at some point as well, so I'll swing by there later in the day, hopefully. Carcharoth (talk) 06:05, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much. :) Durova 06:17, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Jackie Robinson statue in Pasadena

Regarding Talk:Jackie_Robinson#Requested_photograph this request - I've taken several photos of the busts of Jackie and Mack Robinson at City Hall in Pasadena. I would gladly post them, but I'm unclear on the permissibility and proper licensing of original photos of (copyrighted) statues. Such photos are currently not accepted on Commons. Do you have any pointers? Thanks. --Amble (talk) 08:57, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

English Misplaced Pages accepts copyrighted images if the material has a good fair use rationale. Durova 09:01, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Question about image

Hi Durova, could you tell me how to simply find out if an image is a copywrite violation? "This" was marked a while ago as not acceptable for the logo of the site to be on the article but it was not deleted. I just want to remove it if it a violation to have it up but I don't know how to check this kind of information. The website says that it is copy protected. I thought it might be something new I can learn how to do to help out with images on the site. I have read that images in general have too few of editors helping out so I thought I could get my toes wet and start like this. If I like it then I can maybe help out in the areas of images. If you are too busy don't worry, I am never in a rush, I am just trying to figure out a useful area for myself that I can do that has less drama then the recent activities going on in many articles I go to.

On another subject, I just went to look at a photo I had uploaded to the commons that I had shared with you a while back. I saw that a photo I had uploaded with the help of my mentor Delldot has been put up for deletion. An editor said that it is not named properly because it shows ulcerations of the sores (here is the link to what I am babbling about . It is named correctly because I saw a dermatologist to get help with the rash and this is what the doctor called it. In the comments made about this I try to explain this and that the sores are ulcerated do to scratching in my sleep. I have never dealt with this so I am hoping you can help me with it. It also states that it is not properly released so I would also hope you can help me with this too. I am the owner of the picture so what else do I need to do to help keep the photo available? I have noticed that this picture has been used now six times, that's what it says anyways, on different Wiki sites.

I wanted your opinion too, sorry I am being a pain and a pest here, about the P.G. picture. I uploaded one of the pictues . I don't know if you remember all the others I have about this but I have like 6 more pictures of Pyoderma_gangrenosum. I picked this one because of what you said about being clean of outside things like tape and so forth. Do you think I should upload the others too? I have more pictures but until I can get this figured out I don't want to bother anyone loading images if I am doing them incorrectly. It's a waste of time and energy for me and the other editors looking at them. Thanks so much, I hope you have the time to help me figure this all out. I really do want to do it the right way and I am trying. --CrohnieGal 18:20, 6 July 2008 (UTC) Long question. I'll answer in numbered format.

1. Looks like a valid application of fair use to me.
2. I've closed the nomination and kept the image. An argument to rename is not a valid reason for deleting: the nominator should have provided citations and opened a different discussion. And for the record, I do not consider this neutral request for advice as canvassing.
3. Wonderful upload. I suggest you go to the Commons Valuable image program with that: it's for important encyclopedic images that don't meet featured picture requirements. Unfortunately that's 600 pixels on its longest axis and featured pictures need to be a minimum of 1000 pixels. Occasionally voters give a little leeway with that minimum, but not 400 pixels' worth.

With respect, Durova 01:23, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for checking into this for me. I have more comments but I will do it in the format you used for ease of reading.

1. First, I removed the deletion notice, I hope that is okay. The template stated it could be deleted when closed but if I am wrong feel free to revert me.
2. I'm glad you like the picture and I appreciate your asuming good faith in me about it being me in the picture. I wish is wasn't but....
3. I have the photo still on my computer so if it is too big it can be adjusted I suspect. I don't know what you mean or even how you could tell though in your third comment about the size and pixels (?). What would I use to work on adjusting the picture to make it proper size? (I assume that is what you mean by pixels.) I have Adobe & Photo & Image Director.
4. I tried locating the Commons Valuable image and found a bunch of them but not where or how to download there. Can you give me links for this? As you can tell I haven't a clue about this. I appreciate your help and yes you are right, I am not trying to canvass at all to influence the keeping of the photo(s). I am trying to learn how and I know you are real active in imaging and you are one of the best, if not the best when it comes to understanding all of this.
5. The second photo I uploaded about P.G. should I add the other ones I have? There are another five I believe that I have. I just picked the cleanest looking one I had on that one.

Thanks again for you help, I know you are very busy and are taking the time to help me which is very much appreciate. I would like to work more in the imaging area, could you also advice me on where is the best place to start learning how things work there? Thanks again Durova, much appreciated, --CrohnieGal 11:43, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Feminism Task Force Images

Hello Durova! :) Thanks for posting on the FTF page. I'm glad to hear that you'll be hunting some images that relate to the task force. Feel free to sign your name under "Participants" as well. Thanks and happy editing! --Grrrlriot (talk) 21:17, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome. There's also an image of Mary Pickford on FPC right now. I do a lot of FPs and it was kind of disturbing to see that 25% of the images in that gallery were my nominations (we ought to spread this out more). I do image restorations on a lot of subjects and would be glad to do more for your project, if you have suitable material. Feel free to drop by stuff for me. Can't guarantee that everything's feature-able, but I'll help as I can. Best, Durova 21:45, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the image gallery on the FTF! I really enjoy the pictures. Are the images for use on the feminism task force pages? --Grrrlriot (talk) 22:51, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

They're intended for rotation on your new portal. :) Durova 22:53, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Yay! :) Thanks alot Durova! Now, If I can find out how to add a "featured picture" to the portal. --Grrrlriot (talk) 22:57, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

You could nick some code from the textile arts portal. I created several of those for the featured portal drive. Durova 23:00, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh ok. How do I know what text to put with the picture? (like in the Textile Arts Portal) --Grrrlriot (talk) 23:09, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Each of the images is used in article space. Simplest thing to do is to check the captions where they appear and work from that. You're welcome to nick the textile arts portal captions. Durova 23:14, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I am adding one of your pictures to the portal, right now. Do I credit you, where it says, "credit=Design:"? --Grrrlriot (talk) 23:27, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Um, I only restore these. I'm not the photographer. btw just found a new pic at the Library of Congress. A 1909 photo titled "Here's how a policewoman would look making an arrest". Durova 23:32, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I think I figured it out. On the page about the picture I am going to use, It tells a user that took the photograph. I will write his/her username there. Really? That's great! Thanks so much for your help, Durova! Also, Thank you for nominating Cailil for RFA, I think he truly deserves it. I have wondered why he wasn't an administrator here on Misplaced Pages because he sure qualifies for it. --Grrrlriot (talk) 23:41, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I nicked the code from the Textile Arts Portal, but the code is wrong. See Portal:Feminism/Selected picture archive/July 2008‎, What did I do wrong?

(outdent) You'd need to ask Cirt. He was our code monkey. :) Durova 00:07, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Durova...for everything! :D I really appreciate the help and images. I will ask Cirt. Happy editing! --Grrrlriot (talk) 00:49, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. :) Durova 00:26, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Cailil fixed it for me. I think I get what I did wrong on it now. --Grrrlriot (talk) 00:51, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Appreciation

Hi Durova!
Thanks a lot for your kind comments - I appreciate the appreciation! :) And I must add that you're doing a great job yourself for the wiki with all those historic restoration jobs! Oh and thanks for the invite too - I might give it a go when I get back to Melb where I'll have a camera/mic (at the moment I'm at home in Swifts Creek on mid semester break). --Fir0002 01:06, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Absolutely. When I told the other NTWW regulars how many FPs you have and what your age is, they were all incredibly impressed. Keep up the good work. All the best, Durova 01:09, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Quotes in sources and WP:COPYVIO on Talk:Gaza beach blast (2006)

Hi Durova,

You asked for my reasoning here. I replied, waited, and implemented the change which prompted a reaction by User:Jaakobou. Could you weigh-in here please?

Cheers and thanks, pedrito - talk - 08.07.2008 08:42

Well, since I'm Jaakobou's mentor I doubt my opinion would really be viewed as definitive. I do recommend you take this for an independent opinion such as Misplaced Pages:Requested_copyright_examinations. Durova 09:13, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Custom Milhist Triple Crown

I was wondering whether you'd consider a Milhist Triple Crown based on DYK/A-Class/FA? As a project, we don't do GA much but do emphasise A-Class. A Triple Crown based on this would be excellent. Is this of any interest to you? --ROGER DAVIES  13:51, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Um, I would be totally interested if you held a drive for GA articles. :) Durova 16:21, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually, now that the caffeine is hitting my brain, suggest you run 1 or 2 GA drives: in order to qualify an editor needs to add at least 10 inline citations to an article. So getting up to the threshold shouldn't be hard for a healthy project like Milhist. My concern is to keep the triple crowns resistant to gaming. A-class isn't externally reviewed. So although I trust your integrity completely, some other projects might not be as careful. Durova 17:56, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Curious

if you emailed me, like...very recently? Please let me know if you did here. Cheers - Ncmvocalist (talk) 17:00, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes. Durova 17:47, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

OK. Ncmvocalist (talk) 18:54, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I remember seeing a mention in a notable magazine (The Hindu) a few years back...but I don't really know much beyond that. It's online it seems - here. I doubt that's much help at this point, but if I see something else, I'll be sure to let you know. Ncmvocalist (talk) 19:56, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks very much. Do you know anyone from your project who could do a photograph of leheria? I've been trying to reach Sir Nick, but he hasn't responded. Durova 20:00, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Ah, so there's an alternate spelling! This solves the problem. I didn't want to take the thing live until I had enough sources to hit 1500 characters for DYK. Thanks so much. :) Durova 20:08, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Yup, that put it over the top. If we can get a photo within 5 days that'd be great. Otherwise, thanks for the help. I think this will do it. :) Durova 21:03, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't think I've seen one online, but I'll keep an eye out. ;) Ncmvocalist (talk) 03:15, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Per request on Skype

Ohai. That does it for you? :) Steve Crossin (contact) 17:50, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

rofl, cute. :) Durova 17:57, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Greener Cactus on FP

re. your and my curiosity about this 'new' user, I have posted a good faith message on User_talk:Greener_Cactus so we'll see what answer that brings. Mfield (talk) 23:05, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Ty very much. :) Durova 23:47, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

See Policy. Greener Cactus (talk) 07:33, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes. Durova 07:36, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Commons versus local wikis

Can you remember what other cases there are of local wikis and Commons clashing over copyright status? See this for what prompted the question. Your input there would be appreciated if you have time. Carcharoth (talk) 08:30, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Good question. Although there might be other examples, pre-1923 PD and fair use are the main examples that come to mind. Another clash that comes to mind is the use of Nazi images within the German Misplaced Pages. I remember seeing a bitter debate there because such images are illegal in Germany, but Misplaced Pages's servers are in the United States. That's not exactly a copyright status clash, though. Durova 15:44, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

A link if you please :-)

Hi Durova, I think I found a link to a no-subs req'd version of the Nature article (I don't have access right now, so can't be positive. It looks like the relevant article was "reprinted" in Newswatch India. Anyway, in case you want to add it to your evidence section, the link is here. R. Baley (talk) 18:51, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: ArbCom evidence

Are you sure it's really germane to WMC's administrative action to post POV opinions of him? It's pretty obvious to see where these guys are coming from, e.g. (look at the author's credit). I'm not sure how this is illuminating to the present situation, which has diddly-squat to do with global warming. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs 18:53, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

It is and it isn't. When Weighted Companion Cube's evidence first went up it was extremely brief and I decided to interpret it in good faith. Namely, from the standpoint that it may be worthy of deliberation that William Connolley's Misplaced Pages actions have been discussed in the mainstream press and in an academic report. If anyone would a case study in how Misplaced Pages treats experts, that person is him, and whatever flaws or advantages that represents are likely to have an influence on other credentialed experts when they decide whether to contribute here. Certainly, if today's National Review piece is worthy of consideration, then both the publication's history of editorial decisions on the subject of global warming and other publications regarding Connolley's Misplaced Pages work are both deserving of attention as context. I present this material with no suggestion as to how the reader should interpret them. Durova 19:35, 9 July 2008 (UTC)