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The full text of the complaint and following discussion is at Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Ed Poor/Complaint and response

How could anyone possibly believe there's a cabal when an admin who abuses his powers to this extent goes relatively unpunished? I realise I'll probably find myself banned by Ed for saying it, but jeez, you guys sure don't believe in justice. Grace Note 06:22, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm not aware that Ed has ever banned a user for criticizing him. The original RfC against him, and this RfAr before it was accepted, were full of comments as critical of his behaviour as yours are, or even more so, and there's no evidence that he tried to block any of his critics. Ann Heneghan 07:49, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Ann - you can ignore Grace Note's comment. He's a troll that has already been sanctioned once by the arbcom under his previous name. His commentary is a load of bluster and hot air with no subatance. →Raul654 08:06, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm an editor in good faith who was sanctioned for not agreeing with Raul (and I'm not the first that has happened to and I won't be the last). Raul has a bit of a history of describing those who disagree with him as trolls. He thinks it makes the criticism untrue. Grace Note 23:11, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Grace Note remarks are sarcastic and uncalled for, and he/she may be a troll (although calling someone that always seems to me like an unnecessary and unhelpful personal attack). I think we should all keep in mind that the ArbCom members are all volunteers doing a thankless job. However Grace Note is not alone in questioning the way this case has been handled. Paul August ☎ 14:06, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Well, the charges brought consisted of accusations that Ed operated above policy, that he could break policy because he had been around a long time, that old-timers rally in each other's defense, that there is effectively a cabal that can suppress criticism of its members, and hey, look what happened, the arbitration case around Ed's behaviour probably set a record for getting closed the fastest, editors didn't have a chance to submit evidence, Ed offered to withdraw from being a bureaucrat, arbcom accepts his offer, tells Ed he's doing a heck of a job, and makes no rulings on any of his actions. Accusations made, rulings avoided, case closed. That's one way to bury it, I suppose. Certainly, this proves that there is no cabal at wikipedia, no favoritism, no special priviledge. If anyone breaks policy, they are held to account for their actions, no matter how long they've been around. FuelWagon 17:23, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

I know! I'm a troll who's being sarcastic when I note that the people who are accused of operating a cabal that looks out for one another refuse yet again to sanction one of the people who look out for one another! And yet I have thousands of good-faith edits to Misplaced Pages, many more article edits than some of the cabal, as it happens. Grace Note 23:11, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Zen, the very fact that you are still allowed to edit despite your toxic attitude, repeated personal attacks on numerous other users, and prolific edit warring on numerous articles is proof enough that there is no cabal (or at leaset that they aren't doing their job very well). →Raul654 04:27, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

guilty plea?

Raul654 states here that Ed plead "guilty as charged", but that was something Ed offered to do on another talk page prior to the evidence stage of arbitration, and at the time, arbcom made no comment on Ed's plea. The "final decision" makes no mention of whether arbcom accepted that guilty plea or whether arbcom intended to close the case "without further comment" as to whether or not there is any official acknowledgement that Ed Poor violated policy or not. It remains an unanswered question. FuelWagon 16:01, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

FuelWagon, please! Can you not just drop it now? This is just getting embarrassing. Ed broke policy. He's now no longer a bureaucrat. Surely we don't have to keep going after him now. After you were unblocked, you started posting things on your user and talk pages about how if someone bumps you, you keep moving, and you expect others to do the same. Everyone reading this page can see that Ed did not get away with what he did. Why is it so necessary for you that there should be an formal statement of how naughty he was. You were welcomed back, as a member in good standing, after you had filled the talk page with the most revolting and aggressive language. It was the end of the matter. Nobody demanded a formal statement about your behaviour. You remained a Misplaced Pages editor "in good standing and a valued member of the Misplaced Pages community. The case closed without further comment." Why shouldn't it be the same for Ed. Let go and move on. Please. Ann Heneghan 16:29, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

"Everyone reading this page can see that Ed did not get away with what he did." What did he do? What policies did he violate? Why must that remain unspoken? This is starting to feel like the "Emporer's New Clothes", where no one can state what "everyone can see". I broke NPA policy, and there's an entry in the block log that says so. Why must there be no record of what policies Ed violated or pleaded guilty to violating? FuelWagon 16:57, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

old timers

After the arbitration case is closed, Fred Bauder states "You are correct on one point: Ed Poor (talk · contribs) is IN. We are not in the habit of running off people who have contributed substantially to Misplaced Pages over a period of years."

And it only seems to reinforce the idea that old timers get preferential treatment. Whether Ed broke policy is irrelevant to whether he has been contributing to[REDACTED] for five days or five years. FuelWagon 16:36, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

While good (e.g, useful) actions do not excuse bad ones, if you are saying that we shouldn't take them (good actions) into account as mitigating factors when passing judgement, that's just asinine (and very, very bad policy). →Raul654 01:30, 16 September 2005 (UTC)