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• /Archive One (August 17, 2005 to September 26, 2005); topics included welcoming, various VfDs/AfDs, GordonWatts' RfA, and a number of smaller items.

Fuck the South

As I indicated, my vote was based on the reasons given by Unfocused. My initial endorsement was given to admit upfront any biases.

My personal history was given to explain why I userfied the content. My self-admitted soapbox comment was given, as I said, to address the "hate site" issue raised by others, which I found specious and offensive. I do not "soapbox" often, but I will do so when I feel justified grounds for personal offense. Others should be careful what they call a hate site.

I appreciate your concern, but I see no error in my conduct. I am familiar with policy. Thanks, Xoloz 08:02, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Oh, and incidentally, I don't take offense at your comment at all, though I think you misunderstood the nature of the reasons given. I have amended the text to clarify. The problem is that my userfication notice, and even my exception taken for personal offense (aka soapbox) belong in the same public forum. I have no wish to use WP to promulgate my hatred of the South. I do have a heart-felt ethical obligation to ask those who called FTS a simple "hate site" to reconsider.

Also, I am aware that Nazism is inflammatory; however, I know of no other analogy which so closely conveys my concern. Honestly and briefly, to me, to call FTS a "hate site" offhand is like calling Wiesenthal a "hate-monger" for Nazi-hunting. In a strict sense, Wiesenthal hated Nazis; and FTS hates the South. This is "hatred" in the service of justice, though, at least from their point of view, and the point of view of many. I don't ask anyone to share my "hatred"; I do ask that they be careful in offhandly calling something a hate-site. I hope this clarifies to you why I did take exception, and (if you will examine my record), you will see I haven't taken such exception before. I am by nature calm, but I cannot regret arguing against others' over-simplications in this instance. I hope now that you understand my reasons. Xoloz 08:35, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

And finally, having read your brief bio, I'll add that -- whatever impression this exchange leaves of me for you -- I like you. :) God knows, the world needs socialistically-inclined Bush-disapproving people. Xoloz 08:58, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to write such an informative reply. I now understand fully; I did not catch from your vote that the second bit was commentary regarding your personal opinions and your decision to userfy the page. That's very helpful, thank you. I still disagree with your sentiments about the south and about hate sites, but that's your business, and if there's one thing I've learned, it's don't ask stupid questions, and don't ask questions that don't involve you, so we'll leave it at that :). We're here to make an encyclopedia, anyway.

I'm glad you liked my bio, I do, too (obviously :)). I'm also glad that you came over here and spoke your mind. And no shit—we need more socialist-anti-Bushites, and that's no joke (mostly). Hey, well take it easy. All the best, --Blackcap | talk 16:02, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Regarding my thoughts on statistics

Hey thanks. I actually never heard of Joe's garage before, but I gotta admit, I see why my comment reminded you of it. --rob 12:28, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, Frank Zappa has some great quotes. If you like that kind of stuff, take a look at The Real Frank Zappa Book, by Frank Zappa and Peter Occhiogrosso. It's a riot, and even people who don't like his music much (like me mum) often find it hysterical. Glad you liked it. Oh, and by the way, Joe's Garage is the classic Zappa album—sort of like a great opus against musical censorship, predicting the PMRC and other such groups. It's also very musically complex and funny as hell. --Blackcap | talk 16:08, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

From 137.207.80.130

>Please do not add fraudulent material to Misplaced Pages. This is obviously a hoax, as the laying partner would suffocate. Please see the welcome page if you would like to learn about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks. --Blackcap | talk 17:14, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Please don't make invalid assumptions. I was just trying to make a disambiguation page and copied the sex article to another article of the new name that I used in order to attempt that. Somebody else contributed that article under the name "Round robin" and that was what continually first appeared when I searched for "Round robin". I concluded my efforts by abandoning the copy and adding a disambiguation link to a disambiguation page that I made. Since then, other users cleaned it up and made it so that a more appropriate article appeared first when "Round robin" was searched for, although about four of my disambiguation links fell by the wayside.

Once again, please don't make invalid assumptions. It would be polite of you to ask a question about my approach rather than to assume fraudulent intent on my part and initiate discussion with a cold, arrogant and ignorant command. I'll see what your response is, but my initial feeling at reading this is say to heck with you and "your" encyclopedia.

Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Blackcap His link (first thing at top): Please click here to leave me a new message is encoded as: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Ryan%20Delaney&action=edit&section=new

which is why these messages are going to a Ryan Delany, who doesn't seem to be you. It seems that you need to fix your talk link; you seem to be a poor person to go around lecturing others. And if you don't like the way I reply, don't initiate discussion. _{- Unsigned post by 137.207.80.130. --Blackcap | talk 21:53, 27 September 2005 (UTC)}

Hello, 137.207.80.130. To begin, thanks for pointing out that my "edit this page" link was wrong, I appreciate that a lot. I had copied Ryan's talk page header and I forgot to correct the link, and that's why that happened. It's fixed now, and thanks again.

I'm sorry that you took such offense at my post on your talk page. Let me explain: Misplaced Pages is vandalised constantly, and when one sees something so blatantly false as Round Robin sex act, which is probably a vandal created article, there are standard boilerplate texts to put on a user's talk page to notify them that this content isn't appropriate for Misplaced Pages for whatever the reason, in this case, for being a blatant hoax. There are quite a few, and they all take the form of something like {{test}}, {{test2}}, {{test4}}, {{spam}}, {{spam2}}, and several are placed before the user is blocked. Using these templates, rather than individual messages, saves time for the editor (in this case, me), and allows him to go on and do something else. Writing individual posts for why a given user or IP address is doing something is extremely time-consuming and is rarely needed. In my experience, about 98% of the time, the notified person never responds and often stops vandalising articles. It's a pretty effective system, but as with any, the occasional non-vandal (such as yourself) gets a notification and is pissed about it. All I can say (and I mean it, too) is I'm sorry, and I hope this clears up why that happens.

Considering that you were the sole editor to an article about an impossible sex act (a popular topic for vandals), naturally I assumed that you were the creator of the vandal article and notified you accordingly with a combination of my own text and the {{spam}} template. There's nothing in the history to make me assume otherwise; here, take a look: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Round_Robin_sex_act&action=history.

So, I'm sorry this happened to you, but please don't take offense: the vandal problem on any wiki is huge, and there are bound to be mistakes. The best advice I can give you is to create an account which will give you more clout and respect (once you earn it) and allows you much more options. The next thing I'd recommend is to sign in at the Misplaced Pages:New user log and introduce yourself to the community. Someone will come along and welcome you and can answer your questions.

If you have any more problems, please don't hesitate to contact me here. Again, I'm sorry I got the wrong person (you), but understand the difficulty in tracking down every vandal on a collaborative webpage which has hundreds of thousands of visitors a day.

Take care, and my apologies. --Blackcap | talk 21:53, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Fernando (Juan Manuel Abras entry)

Note: This entry was posted onto User:Ryan Delaney's talk page due to an error in the "leave me a message link" at the top of this page. I brought it back to User talk:Blackcap at 23:20, 27 September 2005 (UTC). --Blackcap | talk

Dear Blackcap,

Thanks alot for your time and your advice. I will follow your tips for sure. Fernando Wkhd 20:06, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Dear Blackcap,

I just edited the entry about Juan Manuel Abras. I think is much better formatted now, thanks to your kind advice. If you find the time, I would appreciate if you could let me know what do you think. Thanks alot.

Fernando Pedrera Wkhd 20:45, 19 September 2005 (UTC) fernandopedrera(where-you-are)hotmail(end-of-sentence)com

Round Robin

Thank you for having a proper sense of humor re: the blowholes and such. After all, if you can't be silly on AfD, where can you be silly? DS 23:53, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Ab-so-lutely. You bet.

     You see a door open.
     Blackcap: Who are you and what are you doing here?
     Graham Chapman says, "Stop that! That's silly!"
     Blackcap: Hey! That's my computer!
     <smash> <fighting sounds> <scuffle> -more-
     Graham Chapman says, "Stop! Stop! None of that!" -more-
     Graham Chapman hits!
     Blackcap: AIEEE! My arm! -more-
     Graham Chapman says, "Stop this silliness RIGHT NOW!" Graham Chapman hits! -more-
     Graham Chapman hits! -more-
     Blackcap dies... -more-
     Do you want your possessions to be identified?  (y)

We apologise for the faults in the previous sketch. Those responsible have been sacked. Or they should have been, but they're dead already. --Blackcap | talk 01:26, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

AFD abbreviations

Wow, you should be careful when posting stuff about things you feel so strongly about. I wouldn't have responded to those afd comments, actually. Not that I would have seen them either.. And a GordonWatts? You pulled a Fadix! Anyway, the reason I have a problem with biting the newcomers on AFD isn't because they're going to vote, it's because almost all deletable pages are made by newcomers. And, we should be kind to them, even if they did fill the wiki with cruft. Cruft is hacker talk for crap. It might sound cool, but it's not nice. I often use this word in real life, and online, usually as "de-cruft". I'm going to decruft the garage, my desk, or wikipedia. :) Also, I suggest if you feel that strongly about a message you are sending, you think about it a while before doing it, and make sure it won't be mis-interpreted as rude. And, what does "Slán agat" mean, and what language is it in? --Phroziac 17:10, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Hmmm...I think we're missing each other here. I wasn't saying that biting newcomers is O.K., I was saying that I didn't think my actions were biting. And that, if they're interpreted as such, then I explain and patch things up. Doesn't matter, it doesn't sound like there's a problem. Cool. Anyway, if a word or abbreviation is listed as acceptable in WP:GAFD, such as cruft (which I'd never heard before I came here) or nn, I'm going to use it, which is what it all boils down to. And what'd Fadix do, anyway? Is he known for lengthy posts? --Blackcap | talk 17:40, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

I understood that, actually. Sorta. But, I know I do now. That's interesting that cruft is listed on GAFD, never noticed that. It still means crap though. I'd like to kill that term in this sense though. The point that maybe it should be disallowed was discussed on the mailing list, but list discussions never get anywhere. --Phroziac 19:00, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

P.S. Slán agat is Irish for "farewell." It literally means something like, "May there be safety at/with you." It's pronounced "Slawn ah-gut." Irish is extremely idiomatic, and has several call-response kinds of greetings, and the reply to this one is generally, "Slán leat," (pron. slawn laht) which means more or less the same thing (Incidently, there's no word for "hello." We say, "Dia duit," (pron. Dee-uh gwit) which means, "God bless/be with you," and reply, "Dia is Muire duit," (pron. Dee-us Mweer-a gwit) which means, "God and Mary bless/save/be with you."). Note that there are numerous versions of these phrases that mean different things in different contexts, just as in English (think of all the ways we say, "How are you?"), and another common version is "Sláinte!" (pron. slawn-tcha) which is a drinking toast or welcoming equivalent to "Cheers!" or "To your health!" --Blackcap | talk

Slán leat, Phroziac 19:00, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Request

blackcap

I appreciate your efforts on the Discussion page of Philosophy2's entry. I have withdrawn my "keep" vote:

Philosophy2

Vote of "keep" withdrawn.

as I do not wish to have my IP displayed on the discussion page. Please do not re-post it; my vote is withdrawn. Thank you.

Sure. Just so you know, since you're not a registered user, your IP appears in the history of every page you edit (take a look at the history of this page. Here's your edit: . To get rid of this problem, create an account, and your IP won't be visible to anyone. I'm sorry if I chased you away like that, but it's normal to point out unsigned edits by new users on AfDs. Please sign up (it's free) and stay, we can always use more people. Yours, --Blackcap | talk 17:48, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

re: Request

Thank you for allowing me to remove it (at least from the main Discussion page), although I'm not sure that linking back to the original vote helps me much. :) I'd prefer all of it to be deleted and replaced with just "Vote Withdrawn," but perhaps this is not possible. I signed up for an account; let's see if this works.

Thanks for being polite,

IkZwijg 18:34, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

My pleasure. I linked back to the vote so that it makes sense that the comment exists in the first place. Normally, what happens when someone changes their mind about a vote or comment, they strike it out with the strike out tags (<s> and </s>). If you want, you could put back your original vote and strike it out, putting your "abstain" vote underneath, but as things are, they're probably fine.

Unfortunately, it all will stay in the history: even if the page was deleted, the editors names would show in the history (even though the content is gone) and thus your IP, too. Don't worry about it though, it'll be fine. Many of the long-time editors have IPs that are associated with them as well, due to getting logged out when posting or something else. No one will ever notice, I promise. I've typed out so many IPs' signatures that I can't tell where one starts and the other begins anymore—if I was going to post a comment on your IP's talk page, I'd have to go into the history and find it. I can't even remember the first number, and anyway, even if I did, just your IP is useless information to me. I can't place where it is in the world or anything, and neither can most other people. I just don't know how (though it is, theoretically, possible).

All the best, and welcome to Misplaced Pages! Happy editing, --Blackcap | talk 18:46, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Working version of Kate's tool.

This version still works. Cheers! -- BDAbramson 03:08, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Hey, thanks. I appreciate that. --Blackcap | talk 03:12, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Welcoming

Thanks Blackcap, when you join a community (virtual as it may be) it's nice to be greeted by an existing (and presumably active) member!  :)

It will take me a while to learn enough about technical matters and current editorial practice that would enable me to initiate a new article in the Misplaced Pages - for now I think I will start softly and do small corrections here and there, as I see the necessity.

Having strong views of my own it may be difficult to do well what is called a "neutral point of view" on anything controversial (and what isn't?). I shall try to locate articles that have tackled particularly controversial topics, and see how it can be done.

Thanks again for your welcome,

Gábor (preceding unsigned comment by Gsandi (talk · contribs) 08:22, September 29, 2005)

You are very welcome. Don't worry too much about the technical stuff right now, we try to be a friendly bunch and you'll just pick everything up as you go along. Look at Misplaced Pages:Ignore all rules for our feelings about encouraging using your common sense and aiding new editors. Any and all help you give is most welcome. And don't worry: you'll get hang of writing NPOV (Neutral Point of View), it just takes a little time and work with fellow editors. You'll be an admin before you know it :). Happy editing! --Blackcap | talk 16:37, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

P.S. It looks like you forgot to sign your post: to do that, all you need to do is type ~~~~, which the software will automatically convert into your signature and a timestamp. If you just want your name, type ~~~ (3 tildes), and for just the time, type ~~~~~ (5 tildes). You can also configure your signature to say other things, or to have a direct link to your talk page (like mine) by setting it in your preferences (located at Special:Preferences). For more information, see m:Help:Preferences#Your nickname. --Blackcap | talk 16:37, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. I have now learned about the four tildes. I also enjoy your answers to some other threads - you sound like a nice feisty guy, even if I may disagree with you on some stuff! Gsandi 21:27, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

re: Vandalism

I'm afraid I don't know even who 'Camille Winbush' is. I have never even heard of that name, and couldnt tell you anything about her. I did NOT touch her page or try to change it. I don't know why you sent me that message...? (preceding unsigned comment by 70.48.105.36 (talk · contribs) 20:51, September 29, 2005)

God, you know, I'm really sorry. I bolloxed that up--that should have gone to 68.99.188.215. Ignore that message, my apologies. Sorry. --Blackcap | talk 22:07, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Not a problem. I love Misplaced Pages and it's good to know that people are getting notified about these things, at least it shows that we have moderation in action.

It just made me go hmm lol : things that make yuo go hmm (preceding unsigned comment by 70.48.105.36 (talk • contribs) 23:40, September 29, 2005)

Hello

Hello Nice Feisty Guy! Just wanted to say that this—

Further, in my not-so-humble-as-it-could-be opinion (and apparently the opinion of a good dictionary, see here), 'notable' means 'worthy of being noted,' not 'noted,' as shown by the clichéd example, "I have noted the elm tree in my yard, and thus it is worthy of an encyclopedia article." --Blackcap | talk 06:20, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

was very well put. What's the word I'm looking for now... Ah yes: Zing!—encephalon 03:00, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Hey, thanks! Felt good to say that, I'm telling you. It's good to see you kicking around, too. And by the way, what on earth is that picture on your user page? It looks like a surrealist diagram of ligaments... it's incredible, anyhow. Where did you find it? I see that you're the uploader. --Blackcap | talk 03:17, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Ah. You have beheld Govard Bidloo and Gérard de Lairesse's realist depiction of human anatomy (c. 1690)—specifically the muscles, tendons and bones of the upper extremity. They were among the pioneers of an uncompromising, even frightening, anatomical realism. Before their time, anatomists and engravers used imaginative elements in their productions; these guys were among the earliest to show anatomy unmodified by any appeal to what was not already there right in front of them. Originals now sit in the National Library of Medicine. I didn't upload the original, though. The original plate had a bit of space on the left, and its alignment wasn't perfectly vertical, so I was naughty and cropped it! (You're never going to speak to me again, are you!? Lol)There's a link from my commons upload to the original. I'll be uploading the rest of the collection though, the ones that can be found online.—encephalon 03:41, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Christ, it's brilliant, I'm telling you. --Blackcap | talk 03:56, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Subst:

Hey mate. Just saw you on RC patrol, and noticed that you didn't use subst: in your templates. It's best to do that: what happens is the text is automatically converted onto the page, so if the template is altered, the text templated in remains as it was, and it's also more personal. Just, instead of typing {{test}}, type {{subst:test}}. Take care, --Blackcap | talk 12:20, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the note on Subst:. I didn't know about this. I learn sth new today. Thank you, Blackcap. -- PFHLai 12:30, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Salary vs Celery

Go back and have another look at the deletion debate; I think you'll be convinced to change your vote. DS 13:14, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Re: Template:Unsigned

scratching head in puzzlement; "the preceding comment" refers to the comment that comes before the use of the template. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 16:28, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Ref: Replied at User talk:Jpgordon. --Blackcap | talk 18:00, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Lingnan

Thanks for your supportive comment, Blackcap, I really appreciate it. The school AfDs have a way of bringing out a less appealing side of many editors, even very fine ones like Kappa. I'm sure he didn't mean it however. When the AfD closes the page will likely be kept, so that should cheer him up. Hopefully more of us will begin paying attention to maintaining encyclopedic standards, whatever our personal opinions about schools on WP. Best—encephalon 08:32, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Namespace shift?

I took a look at m:Namespace shift, but what is this meant to be telling me? It might just be me, I tend to miss things easily. FireFox 17:36, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

But I suggest leaving Wiki-resignaturing of non-annoying logged-in editors to regular editors of the page, should they feel the refactoring need.