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    User:24.180.21.121 reported by User:Movingboxes (Result: blocked at 09:12 by User:Shell Kinney)

    24.180.21.121 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

    Time reported: 2:48 AM

    • Previous version reverted to:


    • Diff of 3RR warning:
    Note: Apparently an old report. Adding post-dated timestamp for benefit of MiszaBot II. 09:12, August 22, 2008 (UTC) — Satori Son


    RetroS1mone reported by Guido den Broeder (Result: no vio)

    • 1st revert: , contains reverts of (parts of) the following edits:
    • 2nd revert: , contains reverts of (parts of) the following edits:
    • 3rd revert: , reverting the following edit:
    • 4th revert: , reverting the following edit:
    • 5th revert:
    • Diff of warning:

    User is editwarring on multiple articles, basically destroying almost all my contributions without discussion. User seems to be stalking me, showing up at an article that he normally doesn't edit only to delete my one remaining edit. Between him and Orangemarlin on Fibromyalgia, they have deleted most of a full day's work. Guido den Broeder (talk, visit) 10:39, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

    Guido has listed five reverts to five different pages in this posting and should probably be sanctioned for abusing this noticeboard. --Steven J. Anderson (talk) 17:35, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
    I mentioned this at WP:ANI and Guido has refused to modify or remove this frivolous report. Verbal chat 17:43, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
    Do none of you ever read any policies?
    For instance, edit warring could take the form of 4+ reverts on a page in a day, or three, or one per day for a protracted period of time, or one per page across many pages... (WP:EDITWAR) Guido den Broeder (talk, visit) 17:57, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
    You haven't shown edit warring occurring on any of those pages, let alone multiple pages. Verbal chat 18:02, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
    The diffs are right there, thanks. Guido den Broeder (talk, visit) 18:19, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
    So is your contention that anyone that reverts the same editor anywhere on the project, more than four times, within a "protracted" period of time, is edit warring? Because if it is I think your reasoning is highly faulty. There has to be some edit warring first. Verbal chat 19:00, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
    Editwarring is an attitude; the number of reverts is by itself not decisive. The key element here is that user reverts my every edit on sight. What I content is that if you recognize the common denominator in all these reverts, you may better understand what is going on. That, however, requires some knowledge of the topic, which you may not possess. Misplaced Pages is weak that way. Guido den Broeder (talk, visit) 00:51, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

    I looked at Alternative names for chronic fatigue syndrome and Clinical descriptions of chronic fatigue syndrome in both cases R only reverted one of G's edits, so clearly isn't blind-reverting. In both cases an edit comment offered a plausible explanation for the revert, so I don't think basically destroying almost all my contributions without discussion. is a reasonable description of the situation. This is your second rejected report in as many days; don't make a third William M. Connolley (talk) 19:12, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

    I have no way of knowing beforehand whether a report is going to be rejected, so basically you're saying that I should never again make a report but instead simply allow my every edit to be reverted without protest. Guido den Broeder (talk, visit) 21:57, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

    Thank you to every one that defended me today, this is intolerable behavior for editor just off month block. Guido, you can know beforehand a report is going to be rejected when what you are reporting is not edit warring. Here is quote from WP 3RR, "A group of consecutive reverts by one user with no intervening edits by another user counts as one revert." so is obvious, Orangemarlin reverted most twice, I reverted most once. Pls do not waste peoples time like this again. RetroS1mone talk 22:43, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

    This is a separate edit on a 6th article!! I explained my edits, I was changing POV and original research by Guido and a IP. RetroS1mone talk 07:43, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
    'Explaining' your edits does not give you a free pass to revert at will. Guido den Broeder (talk, visit) 01:55, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
    There is no violation, no need to explain. Please drop this Guido. Verbal chat 10:14, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

    Slow edit warring at Tatars (result: block; semi)

    This has been going on for ages, and there is little sign of any attempts to discuss. Can someone protect the page or something?--Kotniski (talk) 11:06, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

    Blocked User:Fnr Kllrb 48h for edit warring etc. Also SoWhy (Talk | contribs | block) m (Protected Tatars: IP edit-warring ( (expires 11:41, 3 December 2008 (UTC)) (expires 11:41, 3 December 2008 (UTC)))) (undo) which should help William M. Connolley (talk) 13:15, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

    Date delinker reported by Locke Cole (Result: Declined)

    • 1st edit:
    • 2nd edit:
    • 3rd edit:
    • 4th edit:

    Date delinker (talk · contribs) is a sock/alt account of Ohconfucius (talk · contribs). Ohconfucius is currently involved in a dispute about whether or not date links should be automatically removed. He was warned not to remove date links in articles from either of his accounts or he might be blocked. Note that this user has used his alt account to edit while blocked in the past in (block evasion) so both accounts should be blocked if that is the result. —Locke Cole • t • c 04:58, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

    Gosh, this really is harassment of the first order. This is totally out of order. Cole is stalking me, once again, still accusing me of date-delinking. I have already stopped doing what what I have been asked to do, because he has been so nice about it ;-). Well I am getting tired of having to go through this yet once again. I would applaud him for his tenacity, though he must be getting really desperate to screw me. Evidently, it appears that he has combed through every single one of my 80 entries from yesterday, and he has found more evidence of "massive date-delinking" (Gasp! Shock, horror!). Congratulations! out of the eighty articles and god-only-knows how many links undone, he found that I have delinked a grand total of 3 date instances and one solitary year, all of which are buried somewhere deep in the core of the articles concerned. Any reasonable person would say that these are totally incidental bearing in mind the semi-automated tools used to convert dates from mdy to dmy format. It must be pretty darn obvious that this is something quite personal for Cole, and that I am already doing my utmost to avoid him. Yet he still insists in following me around[REDACTED] and reporting me at every turn. Not a day goes by that I don't have to look over my shoulder, and to come here and review the entries. Please tell Cole to go away and quit bugging me. Ohconfucius (talk) 13:19, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

    You were instructed to cease date delinking activites until the matter is resolved. I stopped reverting your project wide changes with the understanding that any such reversion would result in my being blocked. If, however, this is no longer the situation I will happily begin reverting you because you have no consensus for forcing your changes. —Locke Cole • t • c 14:06, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

    Ohconfucius is also removing links from tables in contravention of the Manual of Style concerning tables. See, for example, the Date delinker edits to the Conchita Martinez article. He should stop making these kinds of edits and fix the damage he's done already. Tennis expert (talk) 15:42, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

    Declined The moratorium existed because of the absence of consensus on the issue. Looking at both relevant RFCs on the issue, consensus is now much clearer so I have no mind to block on the basis of edit warring. However, I do have doubts about whether this is an appropriate task for automated or semi-automated tools since often the date-link may need to be replaced with a "See also" link to a relevant article (1932 in cheese making or whatnot). If an editor seeks an extension of the moratorium then they should do so at ANI. CIreland (talk) 16:10, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
    Having looked at the RFC, I agree. LC should not make any further reports on this issue William M. Connolley (talk) 19:03, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
    Does this case set a precedent? In other words, is it valid to bring those trying to bring editors who are editing articles to comply with the MOS and consensus (i.e. date delinkers) to ANI any more (barring 3RR violations of course)? Dabomb87 (talk) 22:07, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
    This does set a precedent. Date-delinkers should no longer be reported here, or to ANI, purely for date-delinking William M. Connolley (talk) 23:03, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
    Noted and will comply. —Locke Cole • t • c 23:45, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

    Then what is the proper forum? There is still no consensus that dates should be always delinked. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 18:04, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

    Nowhere. I think they are calling this one. Joy!--2008Olympian 10:54, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
    True, deprecation does not mean mass delinking still. And since auto formatting is currently a no consensus (which means we keep it) I'm troubled that the solution the devs have worked on relies on date links to remain as-is. —Locke Cole • t • c 11:57, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

    Guido den Broeder reported by RetroS1mone (Result: Declined)

    • Previous version reverted to:
    • After edits by User WLU Nov 28 19:12 1st revert: reverts all edits of User WLU, all explained by WLU in edit summaries.
    • Nov 28 19:42 2nd revert: removes sourced about NICE discouraging so called "Canadian" clinical criteria, In edit summaries calls other editors ridiculous their edits nonsense
    • After edits by me, Nov 29 1:02 3rd revert: reverts my explained change about NICE discouraging Canadian criteria with verify and failed verification tags, removes sourced information, adds uncite POV edits.
    • After second set of edits by me, Nov 29 10:19 4th revert: edits my change that I explained from source with failed verification tag, takes out lead sentence in section that he calls superflous
    • After edits by User Verbal Nov 29, 11:10 5th revert: edits change by User Verbal with fact tag, deletes more sourced stuff.
    • After edits by Jfdwolff, sixth revert: additional changes.
    • Another consecutive group of reversions and other edits following edits by User WLU
    • After edits by IP editor and User Alansohn, reverts an older edit from me here.

    In under 16 hours, four different blocks of reversions and edits of work by at least three different users, then another reversion ten hours later, then more groups of reverts and edits, user is reverting when ever another editor edits. Guido got off a month block for edit warring five days ago after many blocks past-time and since then made false edit warring reports and warnings as revenge against me and another user that were judged no vio and GdB was warned not to do it again. AFter the warn Guido added a new false charges against me to the original false report and is harassing at my talk page, all of it while he is true edit warring himself. Guido has said he is on voluntary 1RR on articles, i am very sorry it is obvious now he is not ready to stop the disruptive behavior history. RetroS1mone talk 23:03, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

    Only one revert by me here, and I didn't call anyone anything. It is User:RetroS1mone who keeps reverting even the least controversial edits on sight. I'm quite fed up with his behaviour, despite numerous invitations he refuses to enter in any discussion about his reverts but insist on all kinds of hostilities. Earlier today, User:Carcharoth gave me the advice to make a list of all his reverts. I think I'll do just that. Guido den Broeder (talk, visit) 23:11, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
    Declined Well, I spent a good while looking over the confusing history of this article. I'm not saying that nothing is amiss (equally, I'm not saying something is) but the editing patterns of GdB in the last fortnight at this article do not seem to be classifiable as edit warring. CIreland (talk) 02:28, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
    Thank you that you looked at this, I disagree but may be I am not understanding 3RR the same. RetroS1mone talk 09:00, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
    Thanks, CIreland. RetroS1mone, I suggest that you read WP:EW. I agree that the text of WP:3RR as well as the directions on this page are somewhat confusing. Guido den Broeder (talk, visit) 11:45, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

    Historikos reported by Fut.Perf. (Result: 1 month)

    1. 08:17
    2. 08:47
    3. 10:00
    4. 10:20

    Sterile revert-warring over a POV tag, with no actual discussion ongoing. Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:30, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


    (Note: two parallel reports condensed into one. Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:45, 30 November 2008 (UTC))

    This new user may be a troll, has also uploaded unsourced images of Nicolas Sarkozy, Kostas Karamanlis and Vladimir Putin, claiming that they are all his personal work. In the revert case, the user insists that there is an active discussion going on at WP:MOSMAC justifying his actions, although no comment has been made since mid September. I've reverted three times myself and will refrain from any further action, although I count at least my first two revisions as anti-vandalism as content was deleted without any explanation given. Admin Fut.Perf. and myself have repeatedly pointed this out to the user. (JdeJ (talk) 10:36, 30 November 2008 (UTC))>
    3RR report is actually moot now, I caught him red-handed about at least one more of his images and blocked him for persistent image abuse. Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:46, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
    On second thought, I've reverted that block. Sorry, I was probably too "involved" with the POV tag / edit-warring issue to have simultaneously acted in admin capacity on the image issue (although that was quite an independent topic). I'll leave further block decisions, both on the 3RR and the image issue, for uninvolved admins. My opinion on the justification of a block on both counts remains unchanged. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:27, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
    As I'm uninvolved in the POV tag, edit-warring or image issues, I've reviewed the matter and blocked the editor for a month for repeated fraudulent image uploads - passing off commercial images as his own, despite claims to the contrary -- ChrisO (talk) 11:39, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

    User:Taraff1 reported by - Barek (talk • contribs) - (Result: 24 hours)

    Wii homebrew (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Taraff1 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log): Time reported: 19:18, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

    Diffs are listed from oldest to newest, dates are in UTC

    1. 02:40, 30 November 2008 (edit summary: "/* HomebreWare */")
    2. 10:59, 30 November 2008 (edit summary: "Undid revision 254957650 by Alex378 (talk)")
    3. 10:59, 30 November 2008 (edit summary: "Undid revision 254934428 by 72.174.220.212 (talk)")
    4. 11:00, 30 November 2008 (edit summary: "Undid revision 254935419 by 72.174.220.212 (talk)")
    5. 11:00, 30 November 2008 (edit summary: "/* External links */")
    6. 11:21, 30 November 2008 (edit summary: "Undid revision 254976328 by Alex378 (talk)")
    7. 12:03, 30 November 2008 (edit summary: "Undid revision 254980170 by Alex378 (talk)")
    8. 12:25, 30 November 2008 (edit summary: "Undid revision 254983540 by Alex378 (talk)")
    9. 12:34, 30 November 2008 (edit summary: "Undid revision 254984456 by 81.56.107.93 (talk)")
    10. 12:58, 30 November 2008 (edit summary: "Undid revision 254986608 by Rurik (talk)")
    11. 13:48, 30 November 2008 (edit summary: "Undid revision 254991771 by 131.111.214.93 (talk)")
    12. 13:57, 30 November 2008 (edit summary: "Undid revision 254993124 by 81.56.107.93 (talk)")
    13. 16:01, 30 November 2008 (edit summary: "Undid revision 255006032 by 81.56.107.93 (talk)")
    14. 18:06, 30 November 2008 (edit summary: "Undid revision 255027201 by Alex378 (talk)")
    15. 19:07, 30 November 2008 (edit summary: "Undid revision 255036939 by Rurik (talk)")
    16. 19:12, 30 November 2008 (edit summary: "Undid revision 255038698 by A new name 2008 (talk)")
    17. 19:16, 30 November 2008 (edit summary: "Undid revision 255039405 by Barek (talk)")
    • Diff of warning: here

    —- Barek (talk • contribs) - 19:18, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

    Comment As of 20:00 UTC, Taraff1 has not reverted again. Though his behavior on this article will not win general admiration, there is no need for a block if the war has stopped. EdJohnston (talk) 20:03, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
    Blocked – for a period of 24 hours EdJohnston (talk) 21:07, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

    User:Alex378 reported by - Barek (talk • contribs) - (Result: No action)

    Note: This user is edit warring within the same article as the user listed above, but attempting to insert a different spamlink than the one that user:Taraff1 (above) is adding.

    Wii homebrew (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Alex378 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log): Time reported: 19:32, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

    Diffs are listed from oldest to newest, dates are in UTC

    1. 10:01, 29 November 2008 (edit summary: "/* Sites and projects */")
    2. 10:03, 29 November 2008 (edit summary: "/* External links */")
    3. 13:25, 29 November 2008 (edit summary: "/* External links */")
    4. 16:14, 29 November 2008 (edit summary: "/* External links */")
    5. 19:26, 29 November 2008 (edit summary: "/* External links */")
    6. 23:15, 29 November 2008 (edit summary: "/* HomebreWare */")
    7. 23:28, 29 November 2008 (edit summary: "/* External links */ Updatin description")
    8. 08:12, 30 November 2008 (edit summary: "/* External links */")
    9. 11:19, 30 November 2008 (edit summary: "/* External links */")
    10. 11:54, 30 November 2008 (edit summary: "/* External links */")
    11. 12:25, 30 November 2008 (edit summary: "/* External links */")
    12. 18:02, 30 November 2008 (edit summary: "/* External links */")
    13. 19:22, 30 November 2008 (edit summary: "/* External links */")
    • Diff of warning: here

    —- Barek (talk • contribs) - 19:32, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

    Correction: This user has not yet reverted since the 3RR notice. Will re-post if they do another revert. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 19:38, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

    No action. This editor, Alex378 has stopped reverting at Wii homebrew. That article has become a festival of socks, but another admin has semi-protected it for a few days. EdJohnston (talk) 00:38, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

    99.147.62.30 reported by dave souza (Result: Already blocked)


    • Previous version reverted to:


    • 1st revert:
    • 2nd revert:
    • 3rd revert:
    • 4th revert:
      • Words repeatedly reinserted (without source) "In any case, the suggestion that natural selection is tautological cannot be an objection to evolution, since a tautology is a statement that cannot be false, and hence is always true. Thus, anybody arguing that evolution is tautological is inherently arguing that it is true." which, in the 2nd revert, were reinserted in the second diff for that revert.
    • Diff of 3RR warning: given before 3rd revert

    IP shows in "Whois-search" as "Unknown AS number or IP network." dave souza, talk 23:29, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

    Already blocked for 24 hours by Tim Vickers (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA). CIreland (talk) 15:58, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

    ScienceApologist reported by Jim Butler (Result: Stale/Moot)

    Below, ScienceApologist edit-wars, and goes to 4RR in 24 hours (last four reverts). He violates WP:TE and WP:NPA as well. Please check his block log; he is massively recidivist, and substitutes ad hominem arguments for argument on the merits.


    • Previous version reverted to: 15:27, 26 November 2008. In the ES, ScienceApologst asserted: "a LONG time ago, we came to a consensus that we should combine these two sections into one. I have done so. See talk". Rebuttal: no such consensus was ever reached, cf. archived talk, nor does any exist now.


    • 2nd revert: 23:25, 26 November 2008, reverting Levine2112. Ad hominem ES: "reverting Levine since he is a documented disruptive editor banned at Chiropractic for POV-pushing and is now continuing his campaing here."


    Comment: Note that one additional editor, Hgilbert, also reverted ScienceApologist on 00:00, 27 November 2008; Quackguru reverted back to ScienceApologist's version. Clearly ScienceApologist is edit warring against a majority without consensus, and against the wishes of a plurality, i.e. he's messing with WP:TE.

    This discussion has been archived. Please do not modify it.
    The following is an archived debate. Please do not modify it.

    I've watched this editor go though various disciplinary procedures. His whole shtick, at least implicitly, seems to be that since he's such an invaluable defender of NPOV and scientific rigor, his minor wikiquette lapses are forgiveable. Sure, his science edits are fine, but not they're not "rocket science"; most scientifically-literate editors could duplicate them with far less disruption. As the diffs show, edit-warring, WP:TE, WP:DE, WP:NPA, and generally WP:DR overall are big problems for this editor, who's been around WP long enough to know better.

    I notice he's on a Wikibreak right now. I would suggest waiting to enact any bans or blocks until after he returns from his wikibreak, so he unmistakeably gets the message that his behavior is not OK at all. I just learned that ScienceApologist has had his Wikibreak tag on his user page since 13 November, but has kept editing anyway. So, I guess he should just be sanctioned now, and not this symbolic 24-hour stuff, but something that will make him grok that he's gotta change course. regards, Jim Butler (t) 23:29, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

    Please, calm down. There has been plenty of good faith discussion of this reorganization, just most of us are a little more patient about it. The majority to which you refer is hardly a solid representative sample of editors participating at the talkpage. WP:RFPP is over there if you think that it would improve matters, though we have several ongoing discussions even without it. - Eldereft (cont.) 03:30, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
    CALM DOWN?!?!? I AM CALM!!!!  ;-) Your point above alluding to a "silent majority" of editors is reasonable (even if it's not completely falsifiable), hence first strike above. Here's what I can say without fear of contradiction: while a majority of editors in this particular edit war have disagreed with ScienceApologist, he's the only one to touch the 3RR electric fence, and his rationale for reverting multiple editors -- that there is "consensus" for his edits -- is absurd on its face. Archived talk and subsequent talk, not to mention mainspace edits, shows no such consensus.
    I've provided diffs showing that ScienceApologist has done a bunch of things editors should avoid doing. His fecund block log shows that such lapses (maybe better called "habits"?) are common. So, I'm down with the calm thing, but would humbly suggest ScienceApologist needs a li'l calming down hisself, via sanctions. What if everyone edited as he does? Is there something special about his mission that makes all the above behavior acceptable, in his case? (I suspect I know the answer that some editors would give to that question, and it's depressing....) --Jim Butler (t) 04:28, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
    Jim, you ask: "Is there something special about his mission that makes all the above behavior acceptable, in his case?" This may depress you, but Misplaced Pages works in some ways like the real world, and doesn't even follow its own rules all the time. I believe that to excuse sin is to defend it. I'm not excusing his behavior, only trying to explain what we are seeing, especially as regards the community's reactions to his behavior. Remember Dirty Harry? Well, Clint Eastwood did many illegal things in those movies, yet audiences cheered when he did it. Why? Because nobody else was dealing effectively with crooks, and the justice system was also failing to deal with them, so people were willing to feel sympathy with a brutal cop who took out the bad guys. I suspect that is why many admins and users grudgingly look the other way when SA deals too hard with situations, simply because the job needs to be done, but our red tape gets in the way of doing it properly. Again, I'm not saying that the way he does it is right, but that the situations he deals with are jobs that need to be done. The clean way happens to fail, time and time again, thanks to wikilawyering POV pushers, so he does it the dirty way. You see, to attack him seems to be to excuse the behavior of the POV pushers and their POV, and that is also unsatisfactory, so people have blended feelings about the whole situation, rendering a clean cut form of justice impossible. Part of the solution? We need braver admins who will step in quickly and deal with the POV pushers he opposes. BTW, I'm not saying he doesn't have a POV that he sometimes pushes too hard, it just happens to be the mainstream POV, IOW he pushes reality, and that shouldn't be necessary. He fights those who try to force Misplaced Pages to declare fringe subjects to be mainstream, but they aren't mainstream. I think his frustration with doing something that shouldn't be necessary causes him to fly off the handle at times. I hope this all makes some sense to you. It's all wrong on so many counts, but that's life both here and in reality. -- Fyslee / talk 15:31, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
    ^ I have rarely read such a totally misguided comment. With all due respect, false in every way. Dlabtot (talk) 15:58, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
    Wow. I agree with Dlabtot. Fyslee's comment above is by far the most unhelpful thing I have seen in my entire wiki-career here, over 60k edits and three years. Dirty Harry? Get real, Misplaced Pages is not Dirty Harry. Wow. --John (talk) 19:35, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
    I agree with F William M. Connolley (talk) 20:18, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
    Yup. Verbal chat 20:29, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
    Although initially intemperate, I see nothing to warrant a block here. No 3RR violation, and several reverts were on different topics so not long term edit warring either. Verbal chat 16:20, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
    The 3rd - 6th reverts (as listed above) seem to be clear violations of 3RR during one 24 hour period. Further, the personal attacks in the edit summaries (as well as in the discussion) are lamentable and actionable. ScienceApologist has been under ArbCom restriction against making edits which are uncivil, personal attacks, or assumptions of bad faith. Describing editors as "true believers" or "disruptive editors" or "misguided mathematics post-doc" is clearly uncivil and are unarguably personal attacks. The violations of WP:3RR and WP:CIVIL are obvious here; the consequences for such violations shouldn't be too hard to mete out. -- Levine2112 19:31, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
    I disagree about Hans, but WP:SPADE comes to mind for some comments. Verbal chat 20:29, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
    Thanks for making it clear how you feel about me, Verbal. You're dead wrong by the way, butrecently I've noticed that this is your M.O. In order to defend ScienceApologist, you cast aspersions at the charging editors. Oddly, you always seem to rush to ScienceApologist's defense no matter how plainly obvious his wrong-doing. Perhaps that warrants some investigation? Anyhow, ScienceApologist has been blocked for 48-hour for something unrelated to this posting. Maybe we should just leave it at that? -- Levine2112 21:56, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
    Stale Even if it were not stale, it is moot since ScienceApologist is blocked for 48 hours for another issue. CIreland (talk) 22:14, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
    Hi CIreland -- At what point does something become "stale" around here? I filed the report <3hr after SA's last revert; you replied and deemed the issue "stale" <24hr after I filed. That's pretty quick turnaround in real time. Please explain what I need to do to avoid such stale-ness in the future.
    As for "moot", since SA's already under an unrelated 48-hour block, here's an idea: why can't another block, for this conduct, be set when the present one expires? Doesn't it make sense to be lenient when offenses are few and far between, and get tough when an editor gets involved in a string of sanctionable offenses? Particularly in the case of long-term disruptive editors like SA, whose block log I pointed to? I really don't get the logic here, and I think you're sending the wrong message by not sanctioning. thanks, Jim Butler (t) 03:32, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
    The reason we wouldn't set another block after the first one, is that blocks for edit-warring are intended to be "preventative" and not "punitive". Once someone stops edit-warring, the block is no longer regarded as useful, as it would be stopping someone from doing something that they'd already stopped anyway. However, once the current block expires, if ScienceApologist does start edit-warring again, he will probably be blocked or banned again fairly quickly. --Elonka 04:35, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
    Thanks, Elonka, for explaining the preventative vs. punitive rationale. That's understandable (although punitive measures, imo, also have their place in dealing with bad behavior... except this may not be the venue for it). regards, Jim Butler (t) 06:35, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
    Agree with Elonka about the consecutive blocks business. We can't justify blocking someone to prevent edit warring when they are already blocked for something else. As for time limits on "stale", I would say 24 hours after the edit warring stopped is about right but there are no set-in-stone policies that give exact times and other admins may say a longer or shorter time.
    What you may choose to think about is why it was allowed to go stale when other, later, reports were dealt with. For me personally (since I dealt with some of those later reports), it's a time issue (blocking SA requires lengthy investigation of what other sanctions may be in place and then being online for next few hours to deal with the fallout); other admins may have other reasons. CIreland (talk) 05:55, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
    Thanks CIreland. Yes, I was wondering about why it was allowed to go stale, and appreciate your candid remarks, although I also find them quite depressing. Because SA gets into so much hot water, complaints go "stale" by default. In a backdoor, unintentional kind of way, this amounts to SA being able to WP:GAME the system. It's a problem; perhaps one you or others here might have anticipated and jumped on the report quickly, but this particular case was special in that the mootness overrode the staleness. When conduct like this goes unsanctioned, something about our system is broken. ArbCom or someone needs to deal with SA, imo, and for real. Thanks again for helping me grok the dynamics better, CI, and please don't take any of my comments as bitching at you. regards, Jim Butler (t) 06:35, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

    User:97.102.156.246 reported by - Barek (talk • contribs) - (Result: 31 hours)

    Wii homebrew (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). 97.102.156.246 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log): Time reported: 00:24, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

    Diffs are listed from oldest to newest, dates are in UTC

    1. 03:41, 29 November 2008 (edit summary: "")
    2. 03:44, 29 November 2008 (edit summary: "/* External links */")
    3. 03:45, 29 November 2008 (edit summary: "/* External links */")
    4. 03:47, 29 November 2008 (edit summary: "")
    5. 13:07, 29 November 2008 (edit summary: "/* External links */")
    6. 14:33, 29 November 2008 (edit summary: "/* External links */")
    7. 14:36, 29 November 2008 (edit summary: "/* Play Homebrew Games on your Wii */")
    8. 14:39, 29 November 2008 (edit summary: "Undid revision 254791962 by 97.102.156.246 (talk)")
    9. 01:30, 30 November 2008 (edit summary: "/* HomebreWare */")
    10. 01:30, 30 November 2008 (edit summary: "/* External links */")
    11. 01:45, 30 November 2008 (edit summary: "/* HomebreWare */")
    12. 01:46, 30 November 2008 (edit summary: "/* External links */")
    13. 22:19, 30 November 2008 (edit summary: "Undid revision 255040981 by Skarl the Drummer (talk)")
    14. 23:21, 30 November 2008 (edit summary: "Removed Spam")
    15. 23:22, 30 November 2008 (edit summary: "")
    16. 00:12, 1 December 2008 (edit summary: "")

    Note: The user has attempted misleading edit summaries, such as "Removed Spam", when they were actually inserting spam. The user may be connected to User:Taraff1, who was blocked earlier today for edit warring on this same article over the same content.

    —- Barek (talk • contribs) - 00:24, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

    Already blocked Update: This user has already been blocked by the admin who semi-protected the article involved. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 00:53, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

    ViperNerd reported by Jober14 (Result: No vio)

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    Based on previous edits by ViperNerd, he is a fan of the South Carolina Gamecocks. His team lost to Clemson University this weekend and now he is using Misplaced Pages as a means to "even things out". Even though I am a Clemson fan, my record shows that I have been unbiased in all my edits on this website. I ask for the same civility from ViperNerd but all he is concerned about is writing and editing articles to portray Clemson in a negative and biased viewpoint. This particular page has many many issues and unfortunately they (fans of USC) will not engage in positive constructive discussion about how to write the article in a neutral viewpoint. He's just causing trouble and it is dissuading passive editors from contributing on Misplaced Pages. Jober14 (talk) 02:21, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

    No violation The three-revert-rule prohibits more than 3 reverts in 24 hours. See dispute resolution for ways to get more opinions on the contested issue. CIreland (talk) 16:05, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
    Note Nothing against the closing admin, and to be honest I have not even looked over the circumstances of this case (so the close is probably 100% correct), but fallowing this discussion this noticeboard now allows for users to report cases of edit warring (not just 3RR) and as such cases can be closed with a block even if users have yet to violate 3RR. Tiptoety 21:12, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

    Alastairward reported by NotAnotherAliGFan (Result: Declined)


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    He keeps removing my cited reference because his personal understanding doesn't seem to grasp the connection between the two sources. Both sources are reliable and therefore, he has no right to continue mutilating my edits. By the way, if I violated anything in any way, I would like to be warned and have the chance to redeem myself instead of getting automatically blocked. Thank you very much in advance. NotAnotherAliGFan (talk) 13:02, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

    I reverted that last edit. It would help if you would discuss things without using terms like "mutilate" and retaining civility. Alastairward (talk) 13:30, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
    Declined Alastairward has undone his last revert. Editors are encouraged to discuss the matter on the talk page instead of reverting not as well as. Please be mindful that if Alastairward had not self-reverted then I would have blocked both editors. CIreland (talk) 16:10, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


    User:207.219.39.47 and User:204.50.180.85 reported by User:Arthur Rubin (Result: Blocked – for a period of 24 hours )


    • Previous version reverted to: 11:48, 29 November 2008 (probably; they're all the same size, and all edit comments are "undo")


    switch to next IP

    switch back to first IP

    Neither IP has constructive edits, outside of possibly this one. Note that I have reverted #s 3, 5, 7, and 10 — Arthur Rubin (talk) 02:49, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

    Strikehold reported by FSUNolez06 (Result:Page protected )


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    I have proven that what I posted was true, yet he doesn't want to believe it. I have been updating this page all year long and have never posted anything incorrectly. Everything I post is 100% true. Check out our talk pages to see our communication about this and many more details. —Preceding unsigned comment added by FSUNolez06 (talk • contribs) 05:07, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


    FSUNolez06 reported by Strikehold (Result:Page protected )


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    I repeatedly tried to explain the reasoning for the exclusion of the information in question, due to being unsourced and speculative in nature. User FSUNolez06 repeatedly reverted to re-include this information, four times.

    I repeatedly asked him to provide a reliable source, where he could only respond with a link to a pay-only message board, and said he could not share the information verifying his edits due to that being in violation of the message board's terms of service. I asked him to link or find an open-source source to verify it, which he could not, and only became more combative.

    I warned him that his four reverts are a violation of the 3RR and asked that he remove the information he repeatedly reverted to include. FSUNolez06 then gave me a 3RR warning (though I had not violated the 3RR) in an attempt to report me preemptively. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Strikehold (talk • contribs) 04:54, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


    • This is FSUNolez06. I don't know how to respond to one of these, so please forgive me if I am doing this wrong. With that said, I have posted a link verifying what I know. It is not my fault he doesn't have a membership to the site. I have posted 100% accurate information (and it will come to light and appear all over the internet within a week). I'm not sure what all the fuss is about with this. Within a week, he will see what I posted was true, and he will be proven wrong. I'm sorry he can't find another link online verifying it. That doesn't mean it is not true. There are a lot of things on Misplaced Pages that don't have any online sources verifying it: instead, they have newspaper articles, magazine articles, etc verifying it. Because there is not an online source for those things, then it should be taken down? I don't think so. I have been updating the 2008 Florida State Football page all year long and have updated it with nothing but true information. I don't think it is right that Strikehold has come through and gotten rid of some valuable information, just because he doesn't believe it is correct information. It is kind of ironic that he can get rid of it because he doesn't think it is correct.

    FSUNolez06 (talk) 05:05, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

    Just glancing at this, if the information will come to light in the next week through verifiable secondary sources, it would be best to wait until then. The main source of information right now appears to be a subscription forum. Dayewalker (talk) 05:10, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
    There is also a second source. The FSView (Florida State University's campus newspaper) also supports what I posted. Aren't newspapers OK to cite? FSUNolez06 (talk) 05:21, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
    For admin's notice, I'm trying to discuss this on the relevant talk page with FSUNolez06. I've suggested he revert his edits and post his newspaper source to the talk page. Dayewalker (talk) 05:24, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
    I'm sorry. I didn't check the talk page. I'll move all discussion there. FSUNolez06 (talk) 05:28, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

    Lima reported by LoveMonkey (Result: )


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    Lima has repeatedly engaged in editing that is not collaborative and appears to be to frustrate and or censor additions into the East-West Schism article. LoveMonkey (talk) 19:58, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

    I see 3 reverts, it takes 4 to technically violate 3RR. However if this disruptive editing continues without discussion on the talk page (more then just this section about this report) I will be blocking those involved. —— nixeagle 20:56, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

    Daly reported by 74.4.222.208 (Result: user warned)


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    Daly refers to the Talk page in his edit summaries, but during his deletions of fork history in the "Axiom (computer algebra system)" and "Comparison of computer algebra systems" articles--in addition to, in the latter article's case, replacing said information with minor information that would best be handled in the Axiom article (in this case, a request that people search for a video, and later on a link to the video)--he had refused to engage in discussion on the "Axiom (computer algebra system)" Talk page, wherein it was already explained why his deletions and substitutions are inapproprate.--74.4.222.208 (talk) 00:26, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

    User warned William M. Connolley (talk) 23:39, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

    DHawker reported by MastCell (Result: Blocked)


    DHawker (talk · contribs) is a single-purpose agenda account promoting colloidal silver. Constant edit-warring, blocked about a week ago. I vouched for an unblock provided he'd stop edit-warring. He was unblocked, and repaid me by calling me names and now going right back to edit-warring to promote colloidal silver. Needless to say, I'm having second thoughts. MastCell  05:45, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

    Blocked – for a period of 24Ancient Chinese secret says "drink quicksilver and have sex to extend life" Ancient Chinese secret also say edit warring bad.--Tznkai (talk)
    Support a block, but feel the length is far too short. I would have gone with indef. Tiptoety 06:01, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

    User:Number_57 reported by User:Tiamut (Result: Israel-Palestine arbitration remedies enforced)

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    Please note that the first three reverts delete over 1,000 bytes of sourced material, relevant to the article, but that the 3RR report pertains to the replacement of the word Palestine (the word used by the source cited) with Palestinian territories. The fourth and fifth reverts are just the replacement of the terms, without the deletion of sourced material, which was done instead by User:Jayjg. No attempt to engage in discussion at the talk page was undertaken, despite my request to Number 57 that he do so . Instead, he made personal attacks at my talk page, accusing me of "bad judgement" .

    • Diff of 3RR warning: No need for a warning, since Number 57 is an admin and knows full well what 3RR is. In any case, it seems he was warned by another userhere and his response was this. I did inform him of this report after it was filed. . Tiamut 10:40, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
      • This is a complete nonsense. An article on a foodstuff is being turned into an attack article by the insertion of completely undue material (describing the "humiliation" of Jews for one thing). According to Tiamut, three editors (I assume including herself) have worked hard to include that kind of material, which I think tells you all that needs to be said. As such, I have absolutely no regrets, and were such material reinserted into the article, I would have no hesitation in taking it out again per WP:NPOV and WP:UNDUE.
      • As for the more recent edits, its nothing more than a couple of editors POV-pushing by trying to get the word "Palestine" into the article rather than the proper term "Palestinian territories", another action which should be reverted at every possible opportunity. пﮟოьεԻ 57 12:10, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
    I'm really disappointed by Number 57's approach here and at the article. Regardless of whether there is any merit to his editing position, the way he went about trying to get his concerns addressed violated Misplaced Pages policies - core among 3RR. He s not reverting vandalism. This is a content dispute that involved many editors, most of whom have taken the trouble to discuss their positions at the talk page. Number 57 has not and has reverted a number of time to pursue his POV to the exclusion of all others. This is not acceptable behaviour by any Wikipedian, least of all an admin. Tiamut 12:14, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
    I might further note that he's just reverted a sixth time now here. Are admins not subject to the 3RR or edit-warring restrictions at all? Tiamut 12:17, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
    It's not vandalism in the sense of replacing the page with "F**K YUO ALL", but it is certainly vandalism in terms of completely messing up an article to push forward someone's twisted world view. As for it being described as my "POV", the existence of somewhere called the Palestinian territories is actually commonly referred to as a fact. It also worth noting that aside from a brief couple of edits back in May (actually to fix the same issue of misplaced terminology), this is not an article I am involved in editing - I saw the state of it yesterday and noted that something needed to be done. пﮟოьεԻ 57 12:21, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
    Look, your opinion on what the correct name for the area being referred to is irrelevant here. The source cited uses the words "Palestine and Jordan", and not "Palestinian territories". We use the term used by the source and since "Palestinian territories" is not a synonym for "Palestine", your change is WP:OR. It is in fact you that are politicizing a food article with your persistent changing of this word to accord with your world view. Tiamut 12:25, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
    There you go again, trying to push your idea that it is my "opinion on the correct name". It's not an opinion, it's a fact, and until editors such as yourself learn to differentiate between the two, your edits are not going to be very helpful. And, I'm sorry, but the claim that I am politicising the article, coming from someone who "worked hard" to include material about humiliating Jews in an article about Hummus, just shows how ridiculous your argument is. пﮟოьεԻ 57 12:28, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
    I did not add that edit and actually removed the word "humiliating" completely when I restored a copy edited version of that other editor's additions (see Do you see the word "humiliating" anywhere?) But that's beside the point.
    This report is about your inability to respect 3RR, which is contributing to all out edit-war at Hummus. Until you learn not to be so disdainful of the opinions of others, including the reliable sources we use to compose articles here, your editing will continue to be disruptive to the project, as it has been on the Hummus page. Tiamut 12:35, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
    To be frank, there is no way that 3RR should apply to clearing out nonsense from articles, as there are cases where little-seen articles can be dominated by a clique of a few POV pushers and attempts by occasional bypassers to weed out such crap need to carry more weight than those of the problematic editors. My editing is clearly not disruptive as anyone familiar with my editing history will know; however, due to the fact that much of my work is on Israel-related articles, there are occasions in which I come up against nonsense such as this, and have to deal with it in the way described above because there is no alternative. пﮟოьεԻ 57 12:42, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
    (edit conflict) The terminology comes from the source, whereas your terminology comes from your holier than thou opinion that the existence of the Palestinian territories is a fact, while the existence of Palestine is not (and that people who cannot see that hold a "twisted world view", as you stated above). Stop trying to pretend your edits protect the article from disruption. They don't. There are always alternatives to edit-warring and if you don't know that, then you shouldn't have the tools. Tiamut 12:49, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
    • I'm reviewing now. My first thought is that this case falls under the Israel-Palestine arbitration remedy and the possibility od discretionary sanctions. Spartaz 12:45, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
    Really? Do all 3RR cases involving I-P articles get referred to WP:AE? Tiamut 12:49, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
    It states at the top of WP:AE that: Three-revert rule violations are best reported on the 3RR noticeboard (WP:AN/3RR). Even if an editor has an arbitration ruling about reverts, you will likely get a quicker response there. Tiamut 12:53, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

    Isra Let me get this straight. I report Number 57 for violating 3RR, something they have clearly done. In response, Spartaz decides to give four different editors, who reverted Number 57's edits, warnings pertaining to the I-P Arbcomm decision . Meanwhile, Number 57, an admin who violated 3RR, and continued to do so after this report was filed (see above discussion), gets no warning. What is going on here exactly? Tiamut 13:04, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

    Wow! Not. Tiamut 13:26, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
    • OK. I have warned all users edit warring over the material of the Israel-Palestine arbitration remedies and locked down the article for 48 hours to allow discussion for a consensus on the matter. Once consensus is reached any editor trying to edit the article away from this will be topic banned under the discretionary sanctions. Number 57 is guilty of a breach of the 3RR and would normally be liable for a block but I would also wish to block some of the other combatants. Since the arbitration forbids blocks without prior warnings in related articles I feel that a singular block of Number 57 is unfair although I was sorely tempted to go ahead anyway. The bottom line is that Hummus is for spreading on my toast not a place for extending the Israel-Palestine conflict and I will be watching and taking steps to ensure that there is no further disruption to the article over this matter. Tiamut and Number 57 are already aware of the case so have not been warned. Spartaz 13:15, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
    So let me understand what you are saying here. Number 57 is guilty of a breach of 3RR and is already aware of the I-P Arbcomm decision, having been a party to it. Four other editors, most of whom made one revert each, who have not been warned of the I-P Arbcomm case before, got a warning from you. You decided that it would be unfair to block Number 57 for edit-warring because the other editors, most of whom who again, made one edit each, cannot be blocked, since they were not previously warned of the Arbcomm decision and have not violated 3RR. Further, no sanction will be given to Number 57 for flouting 3RR both before and after this report was filed. Spartaz, you blocked me for 3RR over a year ago, even though I had only made three reverts and there were other editors warring with me. Could someone else maybe take a look at this report? I think your decision is patently unfair and sends a poor message to new editors. i.e. Admins can edit-war, break 3RR and not be blocked, but newbies who make one edit reverting their actions get a warning about being blocked for possible future disruption. Tiamut 13:26, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
    Could it possibly be because, as an admin who had never heavily been involved with this article before, I was merely trying to impose WP:UNDUE and WP:NPOV on an article which sorely needed attention? пﮟოьεԻ 57 13:31, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
    There is no excuse for breaking 3RR. Because you were not blocked for breaking 3RR, you may think that there is. Which is exactly why this decision should be reviewed by another administrator. I think you've been let off far too easily. You show no remorse for your actions at all. In fact, you seem to think they are justified. Tiamut 13:44, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
    Actually no, its only because if I feel that parties on both sides deserve block then I won't block one side if I can't block the other (as enjoined in the arbitration finding that users should not be penalised under the discretionary sanctions without a prior warning and some of the users are new as well). Experience on Israel-Palestine related articles is that blocking one side and not the other leads to major Drama. Since I had locked the article anyway to force debate a block would have been slightly punitive but Number 57, mark my warning, There is no right or wrong in 3RR. Just a crossed bright line and being an admin gives you no dispensation to cross the expected norms of community behaviour. Can you two stop arguing over this here. Its causing the page to flash like crazy in a million users watchlists and I have closed the report. if you don't like it take it to ANI or AE but if you carry on I'll block you both. Spartaz 13:47, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

    I think we should get off the 3RR high horse nonsense here. That's just wikilawyering to mask the fact that Number 57 was acting as an admin to preserve a neutral consensus in an article. There was clear tendentious editing going on here, and to frame Number 57 as the bad faith actor is simply ludicrous. Hiberniantears (talk) 15:02, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

    No, that isn't how admins should behave. Protecting an article is sometimes justifiable, continuing an edit war isn't. I think Spartaz's handling of this situation has been spot on. PhilKnight (talk) 15:16, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
    Agreed, Spartaz did the right thing. I'm just showing some empathy for Number 57 getting rung up by a tendentious editor. I think there needs to be a greater definition of what an edit war is, and is not. Afterall, we probably make a bigger deal about this, than if Number 57 had just issued a block. Hiberniantears (talk) 15:24, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
    Well we don't agree. I think the opposite happened. Also, I don't think continuing this discussion is helping matters. PhilKnight (talk) 17:07, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
    I agreed with you that Spartaz handled things correctly. Of course, if Number 57 had simply reverted and protected in the first place, we'd also be discussing that. If he had requested another admin's help to do that, he probably wouldn't have received it. That we have different views on the larger issue, I think, is just a matter of what we have experienced as individuals on the Wiki. At the end of the day an admin was trying to depoliticize an article on food. Food, I say! Hiberniantears (talk) 18:03, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

    Otterathome for repeatedly deleting content on uTorrent (Result: no violation)

    I'm reporting it here even though it's not technically a 3RR, mostly because Otterathome has been blocked for reverting/deleting edit-warring in the past, and I've tried twice to reinstate my edits: http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Otterathome#3RR_warning (and because to be brutally honest, I've got better things to do with my time than spend an hour researching where this goes. If some "wikipedian" would like to file this in the right place, be my guest.)

    See http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=%CE%9CTorrent&diff=255498103&oldid=255490013 ....apparently, it's "original research" to state that bugs have been reported (as opposed to stating that the bugs exist!), and then link to the bug reports as references. Note his comment in the edit: he doesn't like it because "bug reports are normal". WTF? We don't cover "normal" in Misplaced Pages?

    and see http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=%CE%9CTorrent&diff=250218782&oldid=250213369 for another example of Otterathome deleting content wholesale from the same article.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.174.140.200 (talk • contribs)

    MTorrent (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
    Otterathome (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
    Added unsigned and links above as a convenience to examine --B (talk) 20:07, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
    Result: no violation - he has two edits in nearly a last month. His policy interpretation is also correct - we do not report things only sourced to message boards. --B (talk) 20:09, 3 December 2008 (UTC)


    Viven reported by Roadahead (Result: protected)


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    • Diff of 3RR warning:

    A detailed analysis if problem with this content (that Vivin) is stubbornly pushing on by reverting has been given here awhile ago. Still Vivin keeps reverting without addressing the problems. He has editing experience on Wiki and very well understands the 3RR rule. Thanks,--RoadAhead 20:13, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

    2008-12-03T21:50:13 Ioeth (Talk | contribs | block) m (Protected Sikh extremism: Full protection: dispute. (using Twinkle) ( (expires 21:50, 5 December 2008 (UTC)) (expires 21:50, 5 December 2008 (UTC)))) William M. Connolley (talk) 23:36, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

    User:Tookyman| reported by Spotsbooks342 (Result: Indefblocked)


    • Previous version reverted to:



    • Diff of 3RR warning:

    3rd party mediation requested. -Spotsbooks342 (talk) 23:20, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

    Nothing to mediate. I have indefblocked the user for repeatedly adding unsourced nonsense to a BLP. --B (talk) 23:32, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
    Word. -Spotsbooks342 (talk) 23:34, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
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