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Revision as of 09:34, 11 December 2008 by Bobanni (talk | contribs) (→Links confirming that gleaning was punished)(diff) ← Previous revision | Latest revision (diff) | Newer revision → (diff)I'm going to remove the reference to Jesus and his disciples gleaning. What they were doing is picking standing heads of grains, which was only allowed under Mosaic law if you didn't bring a basket,ie just a snack. The point of gleaning was to collect lots of grain.
Biblical References and Advocacy
Violation of NPOV, and irrelevant to gleaning as an activity. Deleted all.
Extra information could be added on supermarket bin raids and countermeasures.
Inserted Christian gleaning programme as 'See Also' link. --TresRoque 00:09, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Restoration of biblical references - explanation provided
The bible and Mishnah are viewed by many (though not all) secular scholars as a legitimate supplement to archelogical findings when trying to support claims about Jewish culture in the ancient world. As such they are appropriate citation sources. Egfrank 20:54, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Links confirming that gleaning was punished
There are also sources saying that gleaning was allowed. But there was no law in the SU, some people or some kolkhoses were probably allowed, some other were imprisoned or killed. Any food was robbed by the state during the big hunger, i.e. the one gleaned too. Xx236 (talk) 15:23, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
- None of above are RS - Memoirs and at least a "Posev" - "funny" sourceJo0doe (talk) 17
- 39, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
- While noone of source claim about Gleaning practice allowed in USSR before 1932
- You still does not provide a link to source which claimed about existance of specifically Gleaning '-'is the act of collecting leftover crops from farmers' fields after they have been commercially harvested or on fields where it is not economically profitable to harvest. at USSR.
Moreover you have not provide a ref about that specifically Gleaning was punished under Soviet Law "7/8". I hope you will be able to find such sources soon. Thank youJo0doe (talk) 17:39, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
- the third eyewitness account.Xx236 (talk) 12:54, 9 December 2008 (UTC) Пензенский областной суд confirms the practice.Xx236 (talk) 12:59, 9 December 2008 (UTC) Xx236 (talk) 13:10, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
- None of above as RS (no scholars, no Gleaning, No Law 7/8 for Gleaning). Where Practice of Gleaning (as described in article) appeared at all above and in USSR specifically.Thank you, awaiting for RS for mentioned in article. Thank youJo0doe (talk) 16:08, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Eyewitness accounts and a regional Russian court site aren't allegedly reliable. Are you looking for the truth or whitewashing Soviet genocidal system?Xx236 (talk) 08:03, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
- Can't found accounts for Gleaning in USSR, not about specifically andthixwillendthiz discusion preciselly mentioned Gleaning in 7/8 Law. Regional Russian court which was created in 1937 passed through comments (again no Gleaning) over 1932 Legal act- hardly a RS. I'm looking for RS source(s) which claimed what Gleaning ( the act of collecting leftover crops from farmers' fields after they have been commercially harvested or on fields where it is not economically profitable to harvest) was existed or at least allowed before 7/8 Law and later specifically punished through it Law. Please be pricise in facts. Thank youJo0doe (talk) 08:14, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
see http://www.indiana.edu/~workshop/colloquia/papers/gardner_paper2.pdf
"There were many offenses leading to arrest. In the Soviet system, with its presumption of guilt, arrest was tantamount to sentencing. In particular, workplace offenses (such as being late for work by at least 15 minutes) were criminal offenses. If the workplace was a collective or state farm, then unauthorized gleaning of crops was again a criminal offense. Picking up a kilogram of potatoes could get you a 20-sentence to Siberia."
from Repression Cycles in the USSR: Mass Operations and Dictatorial Dynamics
by Roy Gardner
Indiana University and EERC
June 2006
I trust this will end this discussion of this HOLODOMOR related subject Bobanni (talk) 09:34, 11 December 2008 (UTC)