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The incandescent metal embers of the spark used to light this bunsen burner emit light ranging in color from white to orange to red. This change corelates with their temperature as they cool in the air.
This image appears in the article Incandescence. I took the picture, and chose to nominate it for the following reasons. First the illumination for the image is provided in part by incandescence itself: the sparks are visible because of the incandescence of the metal embers composing them. Moreover, the exposure time is long enough to show some very dynamic behaviors such as 1) the sequential fragmentation of larger embers into smaller ones, 2) the cooling of the embers as manifest in their color shift from white to orange to red (see blackbody), 3) small embers being whisked upward by the flame's convection, while heavier ones fall, and 4) that neato little ember that bounces off the bunsen burner top.
Comment Are you sure the blue is carbon incandescence? AFAIK that is yellow, not blue, and it is seen when you lessen the air flow to the flame. Black-body radiation starts in the red region of the spectrum. So, the blue is something else. As the article Flame states: Complete combustion of gas has a dim blue color due to the emission of single wavelength radiations from various electron transitions in the excited molecules formed in the flame. If you agree, please correct the text in the incandescence article, too. --Janke | Talk09:14, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the correction! Have revised the text both here and there. This actually reminds me that the photo would be a decent image for the Flame article too because the sparks portray the concept of an activation energy needed to initiate a flame. Debivort
Same picture, new caption: The sparks generated by striking steel against a flint provide the activation energy to initiate combustion in this bunsen burner. The blue flame will sustain itself after the sparks are extinguished because the continued combustion of the flame is now energetically favorable.
Oppose. Pretty pic, but I think the other image in the Incandescence article does a better job at illustrating the concept of glowing due to heat, which probably is the reason it is already featured. --Dschwen16:28, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
The other is an excellent picture. What is the consensus regarding using the same image in multiple articles? It could be easily moved to flame, or even blackbody. Thoughts?Debivort00:41, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
Using the same image in multiple articles is no problem whatsoever, infact it should be encouraged if the image can illustrate multiple articles. I'll leave it to others who know about this area to add it, but if you feel it illustrated the above mentioned articles by all means add it. Raven4x4x01:39, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
Support, in contrast to the above reason, I think it is an excellent illustration of the concept. This photo was perfectly timed to receive this phenomena, an exceptional photograph. -- Natalinasmpf16:43, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
No, the incandescence can only be seen in the tiny overexposed sparklets. There is no perfect timing involved, just opening up the shutter and blowing some iron filings into the flame. The relation between temperature and color does not become clear in the picture and the flame having such a prominent role in the frame could lead to misunderstanding the whole concept. --Dschwen11:19, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
I am sympathetic to Dschwen's concerns, and think that one way to adress them is to also include the image in the Activation Energy article, which currently has no illustrations, and is more directly related, given that steel embers provide the activation energy for lighting the burner. Here is the caption I provided there (The sparks generated by striking steel against a flint provide the activation energy to initiate combustion in this bunsen burner. The blue flame will sustain after the sparks are extinguished because the continued combustion of the flame is now energetically favorable). I am open to the possibility of switching the article affiliation of this FPC to activation energy, assuming this doesn't violate any FPC taboos. Cheers Debivort05:31, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
That's a good solution. The pic is much better off in this article. In fact in this context I'll happily support it. --Dschwen08:44, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
The surroundings of Rocket Man are a bit overexposed. Also, wouldn't a shot where he is actually flying (as I suppose he can) be more spectacular/descriptive? Phils12:07, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
Ok, so the pic is not perfect. It is still a nice addition to wikipedia, but does it have to be featured? --Dschwen13:06, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
My thoughts exactly, and I raised this with Fir0002 once before. While I don't think anyone is downplaying his photograpic contributions, perhaps he should be more discerning with the images he chooses to submit for FPC, as the vast majority that have been submitted recently have been vehemently opposed as being relatively mediocre or flawed by the majority here. If that comes across as blunt, I apologise. :) I just think that the number of 'junk' images here need to be lowered. Difficult to judge, I know, but someone who has been participating here for a while has a pretty good idea of what is considered FPC material and what is flawed. Fir0002, this is a reasonably good photo in isolation but I personally don't believe it is of sufficiently high standard for me to support it. Just give us your exceptional shots, not everything you can possible contribute to an article, please! ;) Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)19:43, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
Well see to me this is a very nice photo. I'm not making a personal attack or comparison, but I think it is much better than say the already featured "posing starlet" photo. To have gotten a nice closeup of Dan Schlund (the rocket man) who if you read the article is the only one in the world actually flying the rocket belt, is pretty hard to do. So for these reasons I don't feel this is "mediocre" but of course you are free to disagree. And I would appreciate not being referred to in the third person if you don't mind. --Fir000220:56, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
I did read the article. As I said, I do think its a good photo and contributes to the article since there was no previous photo, but that doesn't automatically qualify it for FPC. It still has to have good composition, exposure, etc. As for refering to you in the third person, I started off the comment responding to Dschwen and then added a comment to you by starting the sentence with "Fir002, ...". I don't see how refering to you by name in a comment not directed to you is inappropriate. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)21:31, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
Oppose : Disturbing foreground (truck and flag). Too bad the picture wasn't taken sideways, so we can better see what he has on his back Glaurung07:03, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
This image is currently featured at Portal:Tropical Cyclones and has an interesting history of its own as it has often been cited as being from hurricanes other than Floyd as noted in Floyd's article. The image is from the NOAA.
Oppose - sorry, but I don't see what distinguishes this photo from the many other hurricane photos there are. In addition, we already have a few hurricane/cyclone photos that are, IMO, more stunning than this one. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 21:44, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Support. I don't think FP hurricanes are yet at the nebula level of saturation. The scale provided by Florida makes this special for me. Mark12:48, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
User:Vanderdecken/Support Also included possible second version - slightly colour corrected and cropped, I thought the original was a bit too yellow and had a bit too much negative space on the left, but I will support either of them. —Vanderdecken∴∫ξφ13:03, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
Support - I don't think you'll find a more illustrative image of this camera. It makes a good photo out of a less than thrilling subject :) Raven4x4x10:31, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
Oppose There's nothing that makes this photo "special". Also, that carrying strap behind the camera is distracting. --Janke | Talk07:45, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Oppose. Fir0002, perhaps you should be a little more discriminating in selecting pictures for FPC. I've just been noticing a few more opposes than usual for your images. (Of course, maybe you've just spoiled us rotten with your fabulous pics :P) enochlau (talk) 15:13, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
That might be one reason, but I'm not sure everyone appreciates how hard it is to get a product shot like this. --Fir000222:08, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
Comment It's been said before: Choosing a FP doesn't depend on how hard it is to shoot/make. I've made lots of product shots, using studio flash lighting, umbrellas, reflectors etc., and semi-opaque acrylic with underneath lighting to get rid of shadows, etc - but I woudn't even think of submitting any of those for FP. There should be an element of "WOW!" in a FPC, if you ask me... like your 2nd "crepuscular rays", for instance - that one is a "Double-WOW!" --Janke | Talk09:59, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
Comment There are higher res versions available.. I'll stick a 1600x1200 (or something near that) up once I get access to it again. The place my server is stored is having a power outage, unfortunately. If the power comes back on, there's even a version that's upwards of 3000 pixels wide.. but for the sake of logic and space, I'd say 1600 would be sufficient. Drumguy880022:58, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
Comment. You know, I noticed that cedar trees here on[REDACTED] looked completely different than the ones we call cedars here in north texas -- there's even a city called Cedar Hill and hey have the juniper tree on their street signs. (At least I think, I've never seen a Cedar anywhere in Texas...) Drumguy880022:31, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
Comment. Just kidding, it is known as a cedar, though it is unrelated.. it's known as the Eastern Redcedar or Eastern Juniper. I'll replace the juniper thing with eastern juniper.. just for clarification.
Caption: A shisa, or lion-headed dog. In Okinawan tradition these figures act in pairs to guard a home. This closed mouthed shisa is considered the more powerful of the two. It guards against mischievous spirits.
This shows the full body of a shisa against a contrasting background. Sidelighting reveals details of the musculature, mane, and tail. The shisa has a fierce and protective expression. The off center placement adds interest. Nothing in the background distracts from the photograph's primary subject. The supporting structure is made from concrete, the most popular building material in modern Okinawa, and shows an electric doorbell. This illustrates the figure's guardian role. The image uses a simple palette of red, white, and gray.
(Apologies for the broken heading link and no links on the caption - this is my first nomination).
This photo has not been published previously. Photographer: Durova
Thank you very much. My motherboard actually failed while I was trying to fix this. Working from a borrowed computer today. Caption still needs improvement, but not sure I can atm. Durova22:43, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
( − ) Oppose No offence, but a very poor photo IMO. Not very sharp/well composed and none too interesting subject. --Fir000208:20, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
Various large Japanese utensils, including a long flexible Oroshi hocho ( おろし包丁) (middle) and a hancho hocho (半丁包丁) (closest to camera). The utensils are used to fillet large tuna.
This image shows some of the Various large Japanese utensils, including a long flexible Oroshi hocho ( おろし包丁) (middle) and a hancho hocho (半丁包丁) (closest to camera). The utensils are used to fillet larger tunas. I am the photographer and took the shot during a visit to the Tsukiji fish market in Tokyo. In the background is a large piece of tuna and two workers to the side.
The image appears in Oroshi hocho.
I intend to upload a higher resolution copy. Cafe Nervosa | talk
Comment It's nice to see the knives in an "actual use" setting, but I don't think the composition features the knives well enough. It looks a bit too "spontaneous" for a photo illustrating knives. ~MDD4696 (talk • contribs) 18:36, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
Comment: at its current state, the picture is probably too small to pass a FPC. Could you upload a bigger/higher resolution picture? Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 18:51, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
Higher quality image loaded. 1600 x 1200 Pixels (1.92 MPixels). I appreciate the imput. For the knives in action, checkout Image:Oroshi hocho Tuna Knife.JPG, however, there is a bloody rag laying accross one of the blades. We didn't want to disturb these men during their work. The position of the knives was as the worker placed them in the course of his work. Cafe Nervosa | talk00:04, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
Iraqis show off stained fingers in the January elections
I stumbled upon this image when reading about the recent Iraqi elections and the January elections. The picture captures the emotions well, and the contrast between some of the people add to effect. True, it's not absolutely stunning as some of our other featured pics, but I believe that it is a great picture that illustrates Iraqi legislative election, January 2005, Purple Revolution, and 2005 well. The picture was uploaded by Mindsweeper onto Commons.
Support. Sharp clear image, very appropriate to the articles it links to.--Dakota 04:40, 17 December 2005 (UTC) Realized I voted too early. Will support when this image is open for voting.--Dakota04:49, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
Neutral. I don't know what to make of it. The pic has several flaws, like the blown out sky. Then it does not speak for itself. It's a couple of foreign looking guys with dirty fingers. The caption needed to understand it is the original US army press office text. Its single-sided view, and mission completed praise at the end makes me a bit sceptical. --Dschwen17:36, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
If you want me to rewrite the caption so that it's not copied from the original press office text, I'd be more than happy to. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 19:42, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
Oppose This just feels like a photo on CNN or BBC... What really makes a photo a FP? Nothing of that here... --Janke | Talk07:58, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
I hope you don't mind if I answer your question here. :-) I believe that the photo captures the emotions of the day well, and the contrast between the voters add the quality of the photo. True, it's not as stunning as some of our other FPs, but it illustrates the topics very well and is a great photo. Of course, I respect your vote and opinion. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 21:20, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Weak oppose. It's that kind of shot that captures the moment, as noted above. However, I note that the blown out sky and the blurred hand at the front detract from the image. enochlau (talk) 15:09, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
Support - Does it not say at the top of the nomination page that as far as technical quality goes, exceptions can be made under extenuating circumstances? This photo was taken in Iraq on the day of watershed elections that will only happen with such significance once. This is a great photo of Iraqi elections that doesn't have to "speak for itself" as Dschwen says; it's supposed to accompany and support the content within the article. Let's step away from the current obsession with technical quality and look at the merits of the event itself. -Vontafeijos16:44, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
Comment, the statue is a bit blurry and I can't see much detail in it. Do you have an image which shows the statue clearly? Also the water fountains make the image look off-center, the fountains are symmetrical, but the statue isn't in the center of it. - Mgm|10:40, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
Comment It looks more like a backlighting problem. The figure at extreme left is sidelit and shows up better. It's a fine composition. Try a different time of day? Durova19:21, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
October 2004, Paul M. Girouard. I woke up real early one morning, and snapped this picture of my hometown as the sun rose. View from the east bank of the Mississippi River, looking towards downtown Saint Louis, Missouri.
Comment: I lived in St. Louis for a few years, and one could get better pictures of the St. Louis skyline. Maybe try getting the Arch at the left of the frame, and fitting in more of the Laclede's Landing/Eads bridge side of the Arch, it's more interesting than the blue sky... Zafiroblue0507:30, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
Reluctant Oppose: I lived in St. Loius for a few years, and have been through St. Louis before on my trips back east. In my opinion, this picture doesn't do St. Lou's skyline justice. TomStar8100:51, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Oppose. There's that horrible gleaming building. Although the arch may be the defining aspect of the area, the overall effect a little dull. enochlau (talk) 15:06, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
I was asked to nominate this image by cele4. I also think it's a wonderful image; clear, certainly large enough and very illustrative. It appears in the Common Seal article and was taken by cele4.
I'm sure that being cuddly is going to help this little bugger through the process. Do you by any chance have an image with it looking straight into the camera or one which shows him entirely from head to tail? - Mgm|14:04, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Promoted . I'm slightly unconfortable promoting an image I nominated, but as I nominated it on request from cele4 I think it's alright. Raven4x4x04:06, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Crepuscular RaysCrepusucluar Ray Sunset - Compare with Image:Crepuscular ray sunset from telstra tower.jpg, this version has been rotated and converted from the original Adobe RGB colors to SRGB and therefore has more saturation
Really quite lucky to have such a great sunset on our visit to the Telstra Tower. It was phenomenally windy though, so the exposure bracket (which is the second photo) was really hard to get.
Comment. I like the second pic, first one is too dark, although the rays themselves come out better. Which one is nominated? --Dschwen22:07, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
CommentSupport second I cannot believe it, I was just about to support the second pic, but it does not appear in a single article. The first one is one in many pics at the bottom of the Crepuscular Rays article, which makes me think it does not add significantly to that article. I really don't want to be the party pooper here, but I thought FPCs should fulfill other criteria besides being pretty. --Dschwen16:12, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
Suggestion: It'll take Fir just a minute or two to exchange the pic in all articles, by uploading version 2 over the original, so both can be considered FPC candidates! I prefer and support the second one. Nice to have some detail in the landscape. --Janke | Talk17:23, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
Strong oppose second, weak support first. Second is just yet another of tons of crepusucluar rays pictures. Its a pitty the tons of them are not yet on commons, but thats no reason for featured pic status. The first is much more interesting because of the spots of light on the ground. --Wikimol11:06, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
Executive veto style oppose - they add nothing to the articles (the second one isn't in an article) and the first has no caption. It can't be promoted. BrokenS14:12, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
Excuse me but the first one clearly has the caption "crepuscular ray sunset". And adding it to the article by removing on of the less spectacular non FP quality photos would take approx 10 seconds. --Fir000210:28, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Sorry for taking so long to respond, yes I know the voting is over, I feel I ought to defend myself. By "no caption" I mean no useful caption. It adds no information. It's not a full sentence and introduces no more information about the subject. Misplaced Pages:Caption isn't as clear as it should be. Also, since it is so small it can't really draw in the reader. I didn't want to slap the other picture in to the article without a caption. Pictures without captions belong at commons (there is a link to commons at the bottom). Pictures on wiki should provide extra information not just be pritty. Note: It is already an FP at commons, so voting submit to commons isn't possible. People aren't paying enough attention to the captions here at FPC. BrokenS03:34, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
Promoted Image:Crepuscular ray sunset from telstra tower edit.jpg. I added the image to the crepuscular rays article in the lead section (with a caption), replacing an image which I moved to the gallery. Raven4x4x04:20, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
A picture of a microwaved maxwell DVD-R that looks pretty awesome. There are no artifacts, the size is large and the focus is good. It also makes an interesting subject. User:PiccoloNamek took the photo, not myself.
Comment (after an edit conflict)Support Should be renamed when bad things happen to good DVD-R's, it's a good photo that also works well in the article on microwave ovens which is one of the key criteria to whether a picture is good or not, I'll definitely change to support when the time passes.Jtkiefer ---- 01:08, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Oppose - I just don't really get it, surely every microwaved CD and DVD will cause this kind of effect, it's not really some fleeting miraculous point caught on camera. - Hahnchen01:19, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
No-one said anything about it being 'miraculous'. It's just an extremely well taken photo to illustrate the effect. The criteria don't say anything about how rare the effect is or how hard it is to take the photo. Raven4x4x01:48, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Dogs aren't rare, but a good picture of a dog can still be featured. Wasn't this nominated before? - Mgm|14:07, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Agreed, there are thousands of snowflakes around me every day, but a great picture of one is still a great picture. -Lanoitarus.:.19:07, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
oppose- not informative enough. We have had a microwaved CD like this before and it failed (but looked nice). BrokenS02:30, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
How more informative does it need to be? I've never seen a better image to illustrate this effect. The previous nomination you are referring to is this one. It's a different photo, so that decision isn't really relevent here. And this is a vastly superior picture in my opinion. Raven4x4x07:27, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
The picute may be more visualy pleaing but it is just as (or less informative). The article isn't about the effect and the article doesn't even mention the effect of microwaves on CDs or DVDs. The caption is not een a sentence and doesn't explain why the cracks formed. BrokenS20:34, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
Oppose - Good pic, but doesn't contribute signficantly to an article, in my opinion. The only article it is in is Microwave oven, and nowhere in the article does it mention anything about heating DVDs or CDs. In either case, placing a picture of something heated in a microwave doesn't contribute to the article that much. Sorry. Flcelloguy (A note?) 16:31, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
Oppose, you should mention it is already removed from Joule heating. And it does not significantly add to the microwave article. Putting CDs into a microwave is a very specific danger and lacks general relevance. This article would benefit much more from a pic of the guts of a microwave oven. --Dschwen15:36, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
Reply yep, I've struck it out now. I didn't manage it earlier because I'm at work and I just scraped enough time to correct my insertion to the article as 1st priority. I have also struck out my support vote. Now I've done a bit more research, I still think the pic is of FP quality but as yet the article for it hasn't been written and may not be for some time. I can envisage an interesting article on the effects of electromagnetic radiation on solid objects and this pic would be a great addition, but until then I'm not sure I can support it either. ~ Veledan 15:55, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
Comment, I might add that this pic is still very beautifully done, so I'd suggest nominating it on commons instead. --Dschwen15:38, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
In this satellite photo the pollution from the explosions, appearing black, is spreading in two main streams from the explosion site at the apex of the inverted 'v'.
One that made me say "wow". From the American National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, although I haven't found this picture on their website; the ones on are rather less impressive.
Oppose - To me this picture is the most boring example of the smoke plume available. There are so many spectacular shots taken of the smoke plume, some which look ominous and unnatural, this one evokes zero emotion. - Hahnchen01:30, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Oppose A good picture should never need explaining. Without the "London" tag and a little commentary, this image would make no sense. Denni☯02:22, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Oppose. An image from ground level is in my view much more likely to evoke emotion in a reader. This does show the extend of the plume, and is no doubt informative, but the image simply isn't stunning enough. - Mgm|14:09, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Comment. Tilted horizon, cut off people, spots in the sky, and a confusing yellow thing in the bottom left corner. --Dschwen07:50, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
If I was to take a similar photo with a straight horizon and people not cut out, would people support it? When I get 2 more comments I will delete this photo if that is not against policy of any sort. Hamedog02:50, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Well, it depends on how it looks at the time, but you'll have a bigger chance at support, because so far, those are the only reasons opposed on. BTW, only admins can delete a photo, so make sure you put a {{db}} tag on it. - Mgm|05:49, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
I mean delete it from this canadits page because the photo is used in an article.
Don't worry about that. As soon as an admin maintaining this page comes along they'll remove it for you. - Mgm|14:10, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
You don't need to be an admin on FPC: anyone can remove pages. If you really want this nomination to be removed, simply remove it from this page and add it to the archive. Raven4x4x05:08, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Too bad the other nomination is getting so many opposition. I think this one is rather dark. Do you also have a picture of the memorial by day? - Mgm|09:14, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Comment - Gotta agree that the artifacts are highly visible and obvious all over this one. You really can't remove them; you'd need to have a non-recompressed source image. I'll oppose the image if a better quality version isn't uploaded. -- uberpenguin23:01, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Support. Amazing photo. Artifact just enhances it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hamedog (talk • contribs) .
Oppose Original and first edit: Way too much compression artifacts and I don't see how artifacts can enhance a picture! Neutral about second edit. Glaurung07:35, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Oppose A huge conflict (for me anyway) between the foreground column and the background mountains and town. It seems the image is trying to rip itself in half. Denni☯02:32, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Comment. Edited it to remove artefacts, as much as possible without losing too much detail. I've also adjusted the contrast and got rid of the red colour cast. What do you folks think? --SunTzu203:05, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Comment: I moved this to a subpage, as it was placed directly on WP:FPC at first. Also, FPs must be used (and add significantly) to an article, so it's unlikely that this will pass without being used. Perhaps it could be inserted in microscope? Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 17:12, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Certainly adds to article now it's there. Can you add model, type and brand info on this microscope to the commons description page? - Mgm|09:18, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Unfortunately all this information is unknown to me. There is nothing written on this microscope, and my grandfather, who once bouht it, is dead. --Roger McLassus19:17, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Oppose. Some people might find it interesting, but it's not terribly striking; I doubt many people would want to read the article on the basis of this photo. Camerafiend02:15, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Support A beautiful picture. Not "in your face" striking, but that's not the point, is it? I particularly like the way the colours of the case and wooden table complement and tone with each other. --Canthusus11:51, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
Photo of a foggy day in Albuquerque, New Mexico Straightened version. (AAfog3b.jpg)
This image is unlike many other fog photos. It has a definite artistic touch and it makes good use of shadows, light, the fog, the white grass, and the trees. Additionally, it clearly shows what fog is and what it does visually.
This photo appears in Fog. It was taken by Vontafeijos, Tate Strickland.
The road and the grass line appear to rise from left to right - would it be possible to tilt it a bit or measure it to find out if I'm just imagining things? :-) Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 23:16, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
It is indeed rising from left to right. Might just be because the land is rising, but it's probably the photo being taken at a small angle. Enochlau23:48, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Perhaps it needs some tilting, but it looks loads better than a lot of common fog photos I've seen so far. Support. - Mgm|09:20, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Oppose - I don't like the composition with the house in the back. Also, I am not sure if this is fog, mist, or overexposure. The river in the right is clearly visible in the distance -- Chris 73 | Talk00:35, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Comment: There's no river anywhere within a five mile radius of where this picture was taken... also, I've fixed the slight tilting. By the way, it's definitely fog... light fog, but fog nonetheless. -Vontafeijos02:10, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Support. I definitely like the light and the contrast in the photo, and nice job fixing the slant. Although I agree it is more of a light mist and as such would be better suited for a different article, it is, nontheless, still a good picture. Wubblu22:20, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Comment: In response to Chris 73's comments: I think the background actually helps show how the fog/mist changes visibility, and helps the composition. Additionally, the think that you call the river in the background does not hurt the picture in any way and does not distract the reader from the mist/fog, but instead adds depth and makes the photo more interesting. -P-unit04:38, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Oppose - sorry, but I just don't like this photo too much, and I'm not exactly sure why. It's not that striking - perhaps it's the house that's bothering me. Flcelloguy (A note?) 16:41, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
Oppose. Doesn't really work for me. I would've thought the intensity of the flames would be better expressed in colour. Enochlau22:20, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Oppose Not the clearest illustration of a flamethrower in action. This image does not show the stream of fire that a flamethrower emits. Denni☯02:34, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Oppose Not the best photograph of a flamethrower I've seen. Would be much better in color with full range shown. Oberiko04:16, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
California Poppy version 1 California Poppy version 2
Self-nomination; GFDL and CC-by-sa. Version 1 is used in the California Poppy article here and on fr:Pavot de Californie. (There are a couple of other versions at commons:Eschscholzia_californica if those are preferable.) It's hard to be objective and I'm not an expert photographer, but to me they look clear and nicely composed, with good contrast and focus on the flower, showing the different structures of petals and stamens, and the delicacy of the petals and the coloration. The unopened bud in the background, although unfocused, shows a little more about the plant as well.
I'm afraid not; I wasn't thinking of Misplaced Pages when I took these, so the camera wasn't set at higher resolution. Next spring, perhaps.... :) — Catherine\ 19:20, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Oppose Version 1 is a lovely pic with gorgeous colours and very nicely composed, so I'm reluctant to let it go but I'd prefer to hold out for the higher resolution one I hope you'll take next spring! ~ Veledan • Talk22:04, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
This is a stunning image I came across while reading star. It's used in quite a few articles, and is also used as the image in the star-stub template. First uploaded by Worldtraveller, the photo is from NASA.
Done. I also removed a couple of dust specks around the star Merope, these specks were obviously on the photographic film when it was scanned. I'll leave it to somebody else to minimize file size, I uploaded at max jpg quality. This is a stunning image, will support any version. --Janke | Talk07:30, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
Support either version. This is a truly arresting photo. Too bad so many of the featured pictures are taken by NASA, though... oh well. -Vontafeijos16:58, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
Oppose. Like for Mandelbrot sets, I think for space photos we need to set a high bar due to the large number of potential candidates. This one isn't quite geometrically pleasing, and I'm not too excited about the colours towards the middle of the image (a bit washed out?). Enochlau22:23, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Answer: Not necessarily "colorized". but they are not always in "natural" colors, either. Such images are taken, through a telescope, with three successive exposures, and each exposure is through a different colored filter. The exposures can be in visible light, but also ultraviolet and infrared. When these exposures are added together for the final picture, each one is given one of the primary colors, thus creating a full-color image. If the shots were not through visible light filters, the final colors are not "natural". Nowadays, this all is often done with CCD chips and computers. Also note that you cannot see much color if you look through a telescope, since the human eye is almost color-blind in very low light. --Janke | Talk06:58, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
Midway Airport is an impressive sight from the air - an airport on a square mile in an urban area. This is a good photo of it. I thought it was worth a nomination. The photo appears in the Chicago Midway International Airport article and was created by User:Sgiard.
CommentOppose. This photo is way too small to be a featured picture. Perhaps you could contact the user who uploaded this and ask for a larger photo. That aside, I don't think it illustrates what its supposed to illustrate. From what I see, the structure resembles a football field (albeit a rather distorted one), and the image fails to clearly show that this is actually an airport. There aren't even any airplanes. Lord15:44, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Of course there are planes. There are always at Midway, it's a busy little square mile. Oppose, of course, due to the small resolution. Phoenix204:16, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
Oppose. While I could be pursuaded to see this as an airport, the image has a low resolution and misses a clear description on the image description page. - Mgm|09:24, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Oppose this version. I would considder supporting a larger version with a good comment on the image description page. Thryduulf23:08, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
How many major airports do you know of that are one mile squared and completely surrounded by urbania? Midway is a relic of the propeller age when aircraft required shorter runways and people weren't concerned about aircraft noise or accidents. Aviation enthusiasts consider it fairly special, if not remarkable - partly because nobody would dream of building an airport like it these days. There are very few airport of its type left. ... I'm obviously just a weird propeller head. Thanks for your comments. Sorry for wasting your time. -- Adz10:12, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Comment I'd say the subject of the picture is indeed pretty remarkable, unfortunately the pic is far too small to be featured. It has been said over and over on this page (which the casual reader might not know), a featured pic should be fit for printing and fullscreen display. --Dschwen13:47, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Nominate and neutral, since I am the photographer cele4 07:22, 10 December 2005
Comment - This is very confusing. What is the difference between this image and this? Was it uploaded by you also? Also, the picture isn't likely to be supported unless it is used in an article, which it isn't. I'd add it to the Plumed Basilisk article, but this image is there instead. LordViD07:52, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Support either. As Enochlau said, it's funny how lizards do sometimes look unreal when you see them, especially when they lie so still, and the photo captures that well. This is a wonderful photo. Raven4x4x00:19, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Cropped and increased saturation. Another version, cropped.
Women posing as geisha are a common sight, but depictions of authentic geisha are increasingly rare. Can you tell the difference? The current Misplaced Pages article on Geisha features a snapshot of two young girls in costume who are not geisha. In this candid photograph, a real geisha is shown in her natural work environment entertaining a businessman at a private gathering in Gion. Those who are familiar with this art form will recognize that her kimono, makeup, facial expression, and subtle body language are true to classic form and reflect an elegant style years in the making. Beyond the manufactured imagery of Hollywood, this is a rare glimpse of what a real geisha looks like when she is working in the evening -- when the simple act of lighting a cigar becomes art. For the sake of authenticity and out of respect for the original tradition, I nominate this photograph of a lovely geisha -- a true geisha -- at work in Kyoto, Japan.
This photograph appears near the bottom of the Misplaced Pages article entitled Geisha.
Photograph by Todd Laracuenta, taken with geisha's permission, 7 February 2003, Kyoto Gion, Japan.
Nominate and support, because I think this is a striking picture, and we need to feature the real thing in our articles. - ToddLara00:34, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Please look at previously featured pictures. This image is far too small to ever have a chance at becoming featured in its current satate.--Deglr632803:43, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Larger version resubmitted that is larger than the currently featured picture in the Geisha article, so I hope this size will suffice. Please, give it another look. Thanks for the help. ToddLara06:34, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Oppose. Who's the dude? It would be better with just the geisha. I understand wanting to show her in a natural act, but he takes away from the art of the act itself. Sorry. --LV21:50, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
While I appreciate the rarity of this picture (a geisha entertaining a male client), the picture still lacks clarity and sharpness. It is an interesting picture, don't get me wrong, but the quality of the picture is lacking. There are many quality things to be photographed, but they must be photographed with quality to make the cut. While the subject is of astounding quality, this photo is not, in my opinion. I am sorry. I still oppose. --LV15:26, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the comments. "Who's the dude?" As the caption indicates, he's a geisha client. Very relevant. You might be surprised to know that geisha don't earn their living posing for tourists or holding umbrellas. They go out in the evening and entertain men at exclusive gatherings just like this photo shows. How do you propose telling the story of these banquets without showing a man in the photo? If you are insisting on a quaint, stereotypical picture postcard of a couple of airbrushed "geisha-girls" regardless of whether it tells the real story, that is an inappropriate measuring stick for an encyclopedia photo. Anyway, I respect your thoughts, and thanks very much for listening to mine. ToddLara22:58, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
I understand "who the dude is". I just think perhaps a shot of just her and the lighting of the cigar would be better. The shot would have been good if it was closer and some random guy wasn't just hunched over in the pic. I don't want a postcard shot like the main pic on the article, but would like a shot of just her and her task, not some dude. Thanks for your quick response. --LV15:59, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Have looked at both of the pictures for a longer period I think that they both look good, so I will Support Version 2 and 3. TomStar8106:00, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
Comment: the man is the entire point of the picture: to show geisha in their work. Without the man there the picture would be meaningless, or certainly less illustrative. Raven4x4x02:46, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
I think you need a better reason than that to oppose this picture. The technical quality is not the greatest (though it's still pretty good), but the fact that the photo is relatively rare trumps that. As previously stated, both subjects gave their permission, which is exceptionally difficult to obtain. The event depicted is an extremely valuable depiction of the article's subject material that goes beyond the physical appearance of a Geisha to her actual duties on the job. I urge you to rethink your vote. -Vontafeijos01:56, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Question: You say the geisha has given permission to be photographed, but how about the "dude" - is he happy to have his image featured on the web in this context? --Janke | Talk09:47, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Oppose The focus of the image should be the Geisha. I think the client's prescence is valuable in the picture, but his is overly prominent. ~MDD4696 (talk • contribs) 00:53, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Support. I think the focus of the image is the Geisha despite the presence of the man. I would even argue that the man enhances the quality of the image, contrasting the Geisha so she stands out even more. And as ToddLara said, it shows the Geisha "in action," so to speak. -Vontafeijos02:19, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Comment: The geisha and the gentleman pictured above have consented -- which is pretty rare, considering this was a private engagement (rarely photographed). The geisha in this picture was featured in an American television documentary on A&E and the BBC. This is one of the very few (possibly only two) American men who have been accepted within the geisha district of Gion, which is very much closed to the outside world. I want to thank those of you, on both sides, who have taken the time to analyze this picture frankly while respecting the two subjects. As it happens, one of the top geisha experts in the U.S. requested permission to use this very picture in a nationwide exhibit because it was thought to aptly illustrate "ozashiki" (geisha banquets in which men are attended by geisha). Since the other two pictures in the Geisha article in Misplaced Pages are (1) a lovely picture of two non-geisha posing in costume and (2) a distorted screen shot of a possible real geisha on the street while on her way to work, I figured this picture would add significantly to the article. I look forward to more thoughtful comments -- support or oppose. If I get any more shots of geisha by themselves posing for tourist cameras, I will certainly post them as well. But, frankly, a geisha with a man is like a matador with a bull -- the bull doesn't have to be pretty and the bull doesn't have to be somebody. ToddLara04:09, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Support. From reading the article, it seems that being a geisha is certainly about the interaction between the woman and (a) client(s). I would worry more about whether there is permission from the client? Janet1304:21, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
I will support 1 or 2 (with slight preference for 1, I like the framing) but not 3, which I feel de-emphasizes the client-geisha relationship too much. Janet1308:06, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
Comment: That is an extremely valid point about obtaining permission from the client. Generally, it is the client that opposes public disclosure. Geisha (and those who imitate them) are the most photographed women in Japan, but they are rarely ever pictured with a client for that reason. There is a code of silence, and the client's privacy is vigorously protected. In this case, permission was granted. It is a rare picture. Alternate versions uploaded for those who wanted more geisha and less client. If I eliminate the client altogether, the picture will make no sense.ToddLara04:31, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Support v1 or 2 because rare, striking, & a significant contribution to the encyclopedia. I prefer the composition of the original. ~ Veledan • Talk22:35, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
Support 3rd version 3rd version fixes issues that I'd have with the man being the entire scope of the photo. Jtkiefer ---- 05:25, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
Comment: The third version is awkward. Almost all of the man is cropped out except for his face and his hand. If we're going to have him in at all, he shouldn't be shoved into the far right side of the frame. As I said before, the Geisha is already much more prominent than the man in the photo (as she should be), so there is no reason to resort to such severe cropping. The second version should be sufficient for those who believe that the first shows too much of the man. -Vontafeijos00:57, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
I would second that and also note the third detracts by hiding the relationship and distance between the Geisha's position and the client's. He could be leaning over much further in the 3rd version. ~ Veledan • Talk17:52, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
Support second. I agree that the first version is too much of the man, but the third version looks rather ridiculously cropped. Plus, I see no real problem having the man in the photo. - Cuivienen01:27, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
Comment — The bright clouds in the left hand corner distracts from the photo. By the way, in the future, would you mind replacing the "Add your reasons for nominating it here; say what article it appears in, and who created the image." with a nomination statement? Thanks a lot! Flcelloguy (A note?) 19:09, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
That sounds more like a reason to Oppose it. This is still an encyclopedia. Apart from that I do not think it is particularly stunning. --Dschwen14:55, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
For those of us who don't know the building, the picture seems quite boring. How is it amazing that this is what the picture could make of it? --vaeiou16:47, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
My statement pointed to the fact that it is very difficult to make a good photo of the modern front of the library, because there is only a dark and narrow gap between it and another quite high building. But in spite of this obstacle the picture looks pretty good. --Kessa Ligerro20:33, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Oppose - Though it is a picture of the building, I don't think that it contributes significantly to its article. If you argued it does significantly add to the article, then we might as well include all half-decent pictures of famous buildings, which we don't want to do. I do think it is a cool angle for the photo, but this photo really isn't what feature photos are supposed to be. P-unit18:11, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
This is a pretty dramatic photo to me, and I will openly admit that it is a composite. I can understand if people have a problem with this and certainly as a general rule I prefer images as unedited as possible, but I think it was a pretty good transformation of a very dull photo. Anyway I have an alternative if you don't like so moody a pic.
Comment. Not sure what to think about this one. On the one hand, the image is excellent and if you hadn't pointed out that it was a composite, I probably would not have considered it, although looking now, the highlights on the right side of the dome suggest a source of sunlight, as opposed to diffused dark clouds.. :) Anyway, on the other hand, I just don't see an encyclopaedia being the place for composite photos like that. I know that really it doesn't in any way falsify the war memorial itself, though, so I'll probably support it. For the record, the alternative doesn't look as natural to me. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)15:50, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Oppose - agree with below that this sets a dangerous precedent; we shouldn't just articificially improve pictures by changing the background. Flcelloguy (A note?) 01:20, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Oppose. I've had a think about it and while I said above that I don't think it falsifies the subject of the photo itself, I do think it sets a dangerous precedent. I don't think that altering the subject matter in a photo is right for an encyclopaedia article. Such things should be reserved for art. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)03:12, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Oppose. Agree with Diliff. On its own merits, however, I note that the lighting that we can see on the building is improbable if there are storm clouds. Enochlau22:30, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Comment. The image has a lot of artifacts. I've spent some time editing it and smoothed out some of its wrinkles. The only thing I'm not entirely happy about is the posterization in the sky. This is not due to my editing per-se but rather the JPEG compression in photoshop - the posterization does not occur in the image I've been working on until the time of saving to JPEG format. I've saved the file as a PNG file (lossless) here so you can see how it is SUPPOSED to look but obviously it is larger than it needs to be as a PNG and not the ideal format for a photo. If anyone else can take that copy and save it as a JPEG without posterization in the sky, that would be appreciated, but I think my copy is otherwise a marked improvement over the original. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)18:12, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
Why don't you measure it then? :) Its hard to be sure since the sides slope towards the point, but if it is, it couldn't be more of a shift than 1-2 pixels from top to bottom. Often a perceived lean is an optical illusion. The only way to be sure is to be objective and measure it. I just did that and couldn't find any substantial lean. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)19:55, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
I'm afraid I can't pick any difference between your jpeg and PNG Diliff. This is about the third or fourth time people have made changes that I just cannot see at all. And I mean not at all. Why is it that other people can and I can't? Whatever the reason, I do think it's an improvement over the original, and I will support Diliff's version. Raven4x4x05:06, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Raven, my guess re the reason you can't see the difference is that your monitor isn't calibrated particularly well. Try this calibration . Ideally, you should be able to differentiate all the graduations from A to Z, but most typical monitors can't at either extreme, particularly in the shadows. Or there is this page too. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)02:08, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Neutral — it's a great picture, but I'm afraid that the spotlights on the left distract too much. Also, it may just be a figment of my imagination, but I also get the feeling that the rocket is leaning right... Flcelloguy (A note?) 19:05, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
( + ) Support Original Version. It doesn't seem to suffer much from artifacts to me, and Diliff's version seems to loose a lot of detail. For instance the tip of the shuttle seems fade out. --Fir000223:09, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Look at the sky in the original version, and the detail around the rocket. There are plenty of artifacts. I agree that the tip is faded and that must be due to me accidently running over it when I was touching it up, but aside from that, where else does it look like detail is missing? I don't think there is anything much else visible. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)02:37, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Sorry but I can't see any artefacts worth worrying over. Comparing the two side by side the fringes of the original look sharp and consequently less smooth, but that's about it. Your edit seems to have mad the spotlights in the bottom LH corner become more faded as well. --Fir000204:04, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Well, I can't speak for everyone but I do certainly see them and I suspect others do too. The sky is not at all smooth - it has horizontal and vertical lines running through it, which I have for the most part removed. If you really don't see them, then try having a look at the levels in photoshop and move the white point (the far right slider) towards the left and you'll enhance the shadow detail (brighten it) and the artifacts will pop out at you. Heres one I prepared earlier ;). Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)05:11, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Yeah OK, but the thing is, as I can't see the artefacts without using severe level adjustment I can't see how a reomved version is better. And as mentioned above it has less detail. --Fir000206:53, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
If you can't see it, then perhaps you should calibrate your monitor, as per my comments with Raven above. They are very obvious to me without any levels adjustments at all, and obvious to others too, it seems, since they are favouring my edit. Also, I don't think I have removed any detail. Can you give me an example? If anything, my version appears slightly sharper to me. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)18:37, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Horizontal lines.. um you mean the wires which you blured into oblivion all but one? .. Odd that we not require being factually inaccurate to feature a picture on wikipedia. --Gmaxwell06:53, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
Actually I was referring to artifacts presumably introduced by digitising the original photo. Can you not see them either? I agree that there is a slight loss of clarity in /part/ of the wires attached to it, but I didn't delibrately blur it - that was an unfortunate byproduct of the noise removal algorithm that I ran the image through, but it isn't as though you cannot see the wires at all, and it isn't as though the edit makes the image factually inaccurate any more than extreme artifacts in the original. I wasn't trying to say my edit was perfect, - far from it - but it certainly makes it more viewable and doesn't detract significantly in my opinion. If you disagree, thats fine, but less snide comments would be appreciated if you're not going to vote. ;) Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)17:12, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
Comment Photo is nice, but as I understand it a Gamelan is a group of players. This image is of a single player, and it does not show his instrument well at all. I feel this image is rather lacking subject-wise. ~MDD4696 (talk • contribs) 01:29, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Support. Although it may be lacking a little in subject matter, the setting in which it is taken and its clarity more than make up for it. Enochlau00:55, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Hopetoun Falls, near Otway National Park, Victoria, Australia Version 2Version 3
This is a photo I took which is the lead image in the waterfall article. I have nominated it as suggested by Dschwen in the Wailua Falls nomination. Clearly illustrates a waterfall and is (IMHO) a well composed and pretty temperate rainforest scene in Southern Australia.
Comment - magical picture, I love it. It's a shame that branch sticks out on the left but I assume only one camera position was possible. I'll certainly be supporting it - Adrian Pingstone17:38, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
You're certainly right that only one camera position was possible. Moving any further to the left and you cover the waterfall with the foreground branches, any further forward and you lose the foreground completely, which I thought added a lot to the composition and made you feel like you were 'in' the rainforest as opposed to just viewing it. Really, any major change to the position and you lose the intimacy and composition of the photo, so short of fording the creek, climbing the cliff face and hacking down the branch, I had to put up with it. :) Thanks for your comments though. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)18:08, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
Support - Completely enchanting. I don't think the branch is a problem. It adds to the feel of the whole scene. Which to my imagination looks exactly what I picture a carboniferous forest to look like. --Deglr632818:28, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
Support original only. Version 2 is visibly edited, even without the comparing the original, and the leaf doesn't detract enough from the image to justify altering reality. I'd have no objection to the edits for contrast if they were applied to a version with the leaf. —Cryptic(talk)06:17, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Now that this image manipulation/falsification thing seems to really take off here: Support original, strongly Oppose edits. It is an encyclopedia for crying out loud, we should faeature real pictures if they are pretty, not doctored photoshop orgies. Aditionally the edit leaves a murky washed-out area behind. --Dschwen15:04, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Comment. Thanks for the support there. I have to admit I don't really like the edit - partially because its like the corruption of my child. ;) But I still stand by my comments in other FPCs - gross manipulation and deception based on omission is not OK in my opinion. I do, however, support minor contrust/sharpness/noise/colour adjustments if they don't detract from the original intention of the photo. Besides the actual removal of the branch, I'm not sure if I prefer the contrast adjustment in the case of the third edit, as the original scene was quite misty due to the waterfall. The contrast adjustment, while making the scene 'appear' less foggy, has created deep shadows and removed detail. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)04:57, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Well OK, I can certainly see your point. But I look at it this way, like noise or dust spots etc, an unwanted element should be removed. I don't know if you'd agree, but I think that I definetly improved Image:Globe and high court.jpg by the removal of the branch: Image:Globe and high court fix.jpg. I don't want to seem like I don't appreciate the beauty of your photo I do, but leaving something which can so easily be fixed doesn't appeal to me. So I respect your feelings regarding the matter and I hope you'll respect mine. --Fir000208:12, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
I see your point, but noise and dust weren't there in the reality the picture should try to capture (any picture). It is perfectly ok to adjust contrast and color tone as long as the purpose is to reproduce the conditions when the pic was taken, cameras are not perfect and tend to falsify colortemp and contrast. So I'd call that adjusting the representation of reality, which I'm totally ok with. But when you start manipulating the subject of the image itself I have to apply the emergency brake. Such precedents must be avoided. Besides that I actually think the leaf adds a feeling of imersion into the rainforrest to the pic. Sorry if this gets annoying, but I feel pretty strong about this matter. Maybe we should continue the discussion on the Talkpage, since it applies to other nominees as well. --Dschwen19:31, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Agree with your sentiments there Dschwen. It concerns me that Fir0002 feels that so many photos need to be 'fixed'. Aesthetics is a very subjective and personal thing, as can be seen by the varying opinions on whether it looks 'better' with or without the branch, but as I've said previously - this is photography for an encyclopaedia, not a competition. Sure, there is an element of that since we're voting for the purpose of elevating an image above the mediocre, but ultimately, photography is about the right exposure, framing and timing - the elements that are in your control at the moment you press the shutter. I completely agree that colour balance, contrast, noise and sharpening (and when necessary, perhaps cropping and rotating) for the purpose of representing the scene as it appeared should be the extent of the editing performed here. Anything more would be a misrepresentation of reality, as you said. The question remains in my mind - should this be discussed further and perhaps policy further refined, or should it remain at the discretion of individuals on a per-image basis? A similar issue has already been up for discussion on the FPC page, but this issue is a little different - not whether the author should request an image to remain unedited, but whether particular editing should be discouraged or refrained from... Food for thought anyway. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)22:42, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
( + ) Support Either Version 2 or 3. Great photo, but to me the leaf spoils it, so I have added two edits. Version two is obviously just the leaf removal, second version has additional contrasting. --Fir000223:23, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Support any of the versions. I have no problem with the leaf there, but I have no problem with it being removed either. Raven4x4x06:23, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Support the original only, I agree with Uberpenguin that the editing is unnecessary and doesn't add anything to the picture. Where the edit improves the image (e.g. tilting) then I have no problem with it, but things should only be removed when there is a need to have them removed. Thryduulf16:28, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Support orignal. Nice image. Oppose later versions. Removal of branch removes the "closed in" and otherwise makes the corner look unbalanced with the rest of the image, but more importantly the photographer doesn't really like the change. As for the third, I'm as much of a sucker for a contrasty image as anyone else, but it's a misty scene.. it's not supposted to pop. --Gmaxwell06:59, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
Support original only. A beautiful scene, and I don't see the point of trying to make it more so by taking parts out. Anyway, I feel that branch added to the image. Sarge Baldy18:57, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
Support - Wow! I can read it! I'm partially colorblind (daltonism) and I can't remember the last time I could read a map with so many different colors used in the key but I can read yours perfectly because of the hash marks you added to some colors! yay!--Deglr632805:51, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
Great to have you around to comment on issues like this, and great to see a map that finally cuts it. Lots of brownie points on the image for this, of course. — Sverdrup13:08, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
that's good. i was worried about this, but i didnt put it through any testing to check for this. perhaps more could be added to the map to control for this. – ishwar(speak)16:36, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
There is one thing....If you add checkmarks (# pattern) to Chumashan it will make it much easier to distingush from Chimakuan which while being nearly the same color (to me anyway) has very similar luminance also. This would resolve the only slight difficulty in reading the image as it is now. --Deglr632804:05, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
Good map and interesting map, although there isn't too much special about it (more than noted above). As a sidenote I think it would add wayy more to the article if it was next to some nice text in the beginning. — Sverdrup13:08, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
added content to Indigenous languages of the Americas#Greenland, Canada & USA section. yeah, it is just a map — no more, no less. i thought that it may add significantly to the article, especially since the article was (and mostly is) a list of families. i havent found anything better on the internet (which was why i created it). if it lacks specialness, is there a way to increase specialness? or is the topic itself the problem? thank you for comments. – ishwar(speak)16:36, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
Support - this is just what featured pictures should be. It's stuff like this that just can't be adequately described in any amount of text. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk20:11, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Support, for a lot of work is needed to create an illustration like this, and the result is clear and informative. --Dschwen17:44, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
Support. The first time I consider a frog to be cute, but I'm sure some people are going to be bother by the size. Is there a larger version? - Mgm|10:03, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
Unfortunetly, I couldn't find a larger version. I looked first before posting it. If someone wants to contact the original editor who posted the picture, maybe he might have something. --ZeWrestler15:16, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
Support Little color variation is desired in this type of photo. Remember, animals often have camouflage techniques suited to their environment -- too often, I feel animal pictures are taken out of context. I'm okay with the size (though a large one *would* be nice). Janet1304:27, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Comment: Perhaps if the background was burned? I think that would increase the color variation and make the frog more obvious. -Vontafeijos16:18, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Oppose too nice an image to only be available in such a low resolution. I'd support a higher resolution version of this image were one available. --Gmaxwell07:03, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
Oppose Nice pic but just too small for FP. Leave the colour and background contrast as it is, though. Changing it for aesthetic purposes would severly misrepresent an important point of interest regarding this frog (its natural camoflage). ~ Veledan • Talk22:29, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
Support. I really like the fact that the path is off-centre, giving you what I assume is around a 120 degree perspective towards the left. Personally I think it would be prettier on an overcast day as sunlight is a killer in rainforest scenes, blowing out just about everything it touches. :) But this one is definitely worthy of FP. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)19:09, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
Neutral. I still like the panorama for what it is, but despite what gmaxwell says, I think the image does need a little work. While viewing at 100% is unrealistic, I think it shows that some heavy processing has occured and that it could be improved. And not that I'm suggesting Fir002 go back to Canberra (on what I assume was a school trip, as he is not from there) to re-shoot this panorama, but as I said above, it would be better balanced and prettier on an overcast day. There are just as meny negatives as there are positives to this photo IMHO. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)17:09, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
Support. How did I know Fir's pic would be featured? Can we just feature any pic this guys brings. Truly great. If you haven't thanked Fir for improving Misplaced Pages, you should. --LV21:55, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
After further consideration, oppose. Enochlau is right. It looks awful in high res. I still stand by my statement to go thank Fir for his work. Next time I'll vote correctly the first time. --LV21:58, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Oppose I was trying to tell if the image looked funny at high res just because of the color of the ferns, or if it was image quality. I decided it was image quality. ~MDD4696 (talk • contribs) 03:14, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Comment: In certain browsers that re-scale the full-sized image to fit the window, the result is terrible. Look at it in some photo editing software instead. Remember, this image is over 4000 pixels wide! --Janke | Talk14:15, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Support: The image quality of very high resolution images should not be judged looking at the image at 100% because no user of this image would use it at that scale (at the resolution of my screen the image would be over 3ft wide, so what we're saying is that we are opposing a >3ft wide image because a little noise is visable). The noisyness of the shadow areas goes away if the image is viewed at half the resolution.. so what we're saying is that we'd support the image if the uploader had anticipated our foolishness and throw out half the images resolution before uploading it. I'm sorry, but thats broken. --Gmaxwell07:12, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
There is more wrong with the image quality than noisy shadow detail though. I admit that I only looked a lot closer to the image once others noticed, but there is very obvious banding in the shadows and what looks like stitch marks in certain areas. Most stitch marks in panoramas are usually blended in better though - these are almost like sharp lines. I agree with you that viewing at 100% isn't realistic, but I still believe its rather poor quality regardless - viewing at 100% with a Canon 20D shouldn't result in detail as poor as this one has. It just appears to be very heavily processed and resampled poorly (presumably with the panorama software, I guess, since photoshop shouldn't butcher an image like that unless it was resampled with something other than bicubic). Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)17:09, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
There is so much support for this picture that it will undoubtedly be featured. However, it might be a good idea to reduce the size to 50% or so, in order to get rid of most of the objections. Would Fir himself care to do it? That would be best... --Janke | Talk16:47, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
The Lillee Marsh Stand at the WACA during Australia vs South AfricaA panorama of the Lillee Marsh stand where I had no idea. I took this today trying to show that the stands are supposed to be dark so people don't get hot and sun burnt. Hamedog15:09, 20 December 2005 (UTC)Edit
Stunning photo showing the high of the light tower, the cricket in action, Perth's weather and the attendance at the ground.
Currently appears in the WACA article and taken by hamedog
Next time, please don't erase your previous comment. Use the <s> tag to strike out your previous comment. It might have confused the bot, because somehow it got moved to the bottom of the page. enochlau (talk) 12:07, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
I've made some edits to the photo. Ran it through auto contrast/level/colour in Photoshop and rotated it 0.5 degrees clockwise. Enochlau13:10, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
The stands are supposed to be dark - the members don't want to sit in the sun from as early as 8 am to 6pm. The only reason the sky is there is because I wanted to get the light in. I have another version with only the stand which I will link. Hamedog22:45, 19 December 2005 (UTC)different photo.
Oppose, the picture doesn't illustrate why this stand is different to the countless others around the world. It looks very unremarkable a thumbnail size. Thryduulf11:43, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
I know most of the featured pictures are 100000dpi and 100 metres by 100 metres (or so), but I simply believe that the icons are also an integral part of[REDACTED] - and this one is one of the best I've seen recently. Simple and informative (as an icon should be), it has the power of saying all about the Korean conflict in a matter of milliseconds. Just look at it and... you know everything. A powerful image and Kudos for User:Grutness for making it. Halibutt
I think it's really silly that we have to wait two days to vote, especially when the comment here is probably a good clue as to how we're going to vote anyway, but, ehhh. This is an excellent piece of graphics art, and my hat goes off to Grutness. Denni☯02:10, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
I doubt it is usable in articles (outside of templates, tables and such) as it is... well... an icon. Nothing more, nothing less. I can't really imagine this being a symbol of any political party or a replacement for the map of the peninsula, so I guess it is not used. Although, it could be added to the articles on Icon, symbol or similar. What do you think? Halibutt02:37, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Yeh, I think it's pretty much accepted that a prerequisite is that it is included in an article (but not through a template) and that it adds at least a small amount of value to it. Enochlau07:57, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
At symbol, I think it is original research (it isn't a symbol used in the world. Can you find the use of this symbol outside of wikipedia?). It'd be better to use a symbol not created for Misplaced Pages. BrokenS20:34, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Okay, so I've got a vested interest, but I'll add a support (and a thanks for the kind words!). Of all the stub icons I've designed, I'm proudest of this one, because it does show everything you need to know in one image. I wanted to somehow convey a historically united peninsula that was also two countries with opposing ideologies, and it suddenly clicked that the Yin-Yang symbol - itself frequently associated with Korea - in red for the north and blue for the south, deliberately on a white background representing hoped-for peaceful reconciliation throughout Korea, was an obvious way to do it. IMHO, a successful experiment in graphic design. Grutness...wha?02:40, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Support. I don't claim to know the legalities of an icon as featured picture but assuming it is valid, I support it. As always, the best symbols are the simple ones. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)20:04, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
Oppose. Sorry, but I just don't think this should qualify for a featured pic. It doesn't add significantly to any article, and could qualify as original research at the symbol article because it's not used anywhere else and was designed for Misplaced Pages. In addition, while the design is good, I don't see how the superimposed yin-yang adds to the image, which illustrates the "locations of Korea" stub. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 20:13, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Not really. It is a symbol commonly used throughout the Korean peninsula to refer to two opposites which form together to make a united whole. For this reason, it seemed a perfect analogy for the politics of the Korean peninsula itself, especially since it is often depicted with red at the top and blue below, colours often used to represent communism and non-communism. Grutness...wha?23:54, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Oppose. I'm not opposed to the idea of having icons as featured pics in general, but in this case, it's too small and we don't have a vector based version, limiting its potential greatly. Enochlau01:05, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
This is a photo I took earlier this year in Cape Otway National Park, Victoria, Australia. I'm nominating it because I think its probably the best photo of a koala on[REDACTED] and is detailed and composed well enough to give you a very good idea of the anatomy, shape and the way it climbs. I have uploaded a newer (sharpened) version of it as I know you guys are hard on soft images :). See the image on commons for the original if you'd like here. There is a previously featured photo of a koala here but I feel this is a better image to represent a koala as it is a) in its natural habitat, not a zoo and; b) AWAKE! It is actually in the process of climbing from one tree to another which was a great chance to see the koala at eye-level.
He (she?) is looking directly into the camera, I love it! Will someone please bold my Support if the image has not been revised by the time it enters voting. -Lanoitarus04:47, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
I've bolded it as per your request. I will also support. Very sweet indeed, and it is great to see one that is awake. Raven4x4x05:36, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
View from Mt Ainslie at nightRotated 1.2 degrees clockwise
Quite a nice panorama of a classic view IMO. Not as sharp as I could have liked but it was pretty windy when I took the shots. Alternatives can be found here
Comment, mabye it's because I'm familiar with the scene, but when using the lake as a the horizon, the image is slanted to the left.--nixie04:22, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
Comment It's a good scenic photo, but it seems a tad blurry, and though I'd have completely missed it unless she had mentioned it, nixie is right on the money with the image being slanted. Ambi06:39, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
Oppose. Not bad but just too blurry and dark for the most part - all you can see are (blurry) points of light. Would look much nicer at dusk when there is still a glow in the sky and some light on the ground. I guess you were probably short on time though. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)05:06, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
Oppose. Was the exposure on this one too long or something, b/c it looks like everywhere there is light is either out of focus or blurry. Cliffhanger40722:53, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
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Support It'd be nice to have it at higher res, but a nice photo nevertheless. --Fir0002 08:18, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
Oppose Grainy, not very interesting.. Maybe if they were in the process of using the knives... drumguy - speak? 07:42, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
Oppose Agree with the above. This photo would look more interesting at night] --Fir0002 08:26, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
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