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Why did you allow the 2-6-2009 revert on early crops in Africa?
Do you no longer believe your comments here: http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Neolithic#Africa_.26_pdf_on_AMS_dating (Your pdf link does not seem to work at the above link by the way)
This is the section: http://en.wikipedia.org/Neolithic#Africa
Full Shunyata gives no reason for his reverts and his latest footnote contains no source material. http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Special:Contributions&offset=20090207025755&target=Full+Shunyata
- I'll look at this tonight or tomorrow, busy today. Dougweller (talk) 06:29, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
In Shunta's user talk 2/5/09 in his lowest entry the bottom line he does list a source but it contradicts the early early cultivation dates Shunta gives. P. 70-71 "The Cambridge History of Africa", http://books.google.com/books?id=JAca1F3qG34C&pg=PA70&lpg=PA70&dq=Africa,+neolithic&source=web&ots=wWVGAvbwDC&sig=oLsfZADAq2fplcionxe5hXjBgXw&hl=en&ei=V8GKSaSbO9eitge6-eibBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=10&ct=result#v=onepage&q=Africa%2C%20neolithic&f=false
I am now thinking the section should begin:
Africa
In the upper Nile Valley Africans begun raising and domesticating crops and cattle about 7,000 years ago....
In sub Saharan Africa the cultivation begins about 80BC
Given that you had said Van Sertima was unreliable the early 15,000 BCE pottery date supported in footnote 7 may be inaccurate as well.
7^ (Van Sertima, 1984, p. 20)
http://en.wikipedia.org/Neolithic#Periods_by_pottery_phase
Footnote 8 - African Science in School Curriculum also supporting the same pottery date is based entirely on the oral tradition which naturally would be less likely to preserve well over time than pottery itself. A search on "pottery" leads to the following paragraph:
Alic (1986, p. 15) bases her claims on the assumption that "...evidence from the early scientific work of women can be traced..." from "oral traditions." Alic (1986, p. 15) goes on to say that Neolithic women were often thought to be possessed of magical powers, not only because of their ability to give birth, but also because of their skills in the domestic sciences - manufacturing, pottery, agriculture, the domestication of animals and healing. It was these achievements that early cultures personified in their goddesses.
- Sorry to be so slow - thanks very much in bringing this to my attention and I hope the article is a bit better now. And apologies for missing what happened earlier this year. Dougweller (talk) 06:33, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Certainly the article is much improved. Thanks. Finding reliable sources is a lot more time consuming than spotting errors. Merry Christmas.
Can you stop User:Pmanderson's personal attacks?
see here. and here. There are also earlier examples, but this one is over the edge. He has no respect for his fellow editors.Teeninvestor (talk) 23:42, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
- You reported it at elsewhere, that's enough and after a report at the appropriate noticeboard I wouldn't normally get involved directly, and I agree with the comments. Dougweller (talk) 06:30, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Reliability of the Criminal HIV Transmission Section of STD Carriers
I posted a response to the debate regarding the reliability of my list of People Arrested for Criminal HIV/AIDS Transmission Crimes. My argument basically boils down to the fact that I compiled that sub list myself from media research and can vouch for it's accuracy. I also sited sources in the reports linked to from that page. I believe that a link to it belongs in Criminal transmission of HIV because my list is 10 times larger than the list currently on Misplaced Pages at List of HIV Positive People.
No one has brought up the issue of conflict of interest, but I don't see one since as of now I have a monopoly in the area of comprehensive lists of people arrested for HIV/AIDS transmission crimes. I also never intended to vandalize Misplaced Pages, if that were the case I probably would have posted dozens of links all over the place.
I also don't recall ever seeing a set limit on the amount of advertising that a page being linked to can have. Please specify a maximum number of ads preferably by type (banner, inline, etc.), maximum number per type, and the maximum of all types combined.
See the debate in Reliable Sources
You also deleted my link in the Jakes Booty Call Article to my collection of Jakes Booty Call games that like the other sites in the external links section contain the same games and include advertising, but are inferior to mine because I provide embed code for webmasters that is compatible with Myspace and other social networking sites.--Cyrussullivan (talk) 11:13, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
- None of this overrides WP:BLP. And if it is your site, as you say, you shouldn't be adding it anyway. I don't think you are trying to vandalise. As for ads, all I can do is point you to WP:EL. We don't have that sort of detail, but it is clearly ad heavy. As this is primarily a BLP issue I'm bringing it up there - I didn't want to as we really try not to encourage issues being brought up at multiple boards, but since you are pushing it... . I'll put a link on your page. Dougweller (talk) 11:21, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
Good point about the multiple boards, I am also an efficiency enthusiast. I also agree with you about some parts of the site being ad heavy, but a lot of that comes with the fact that the site is not finished yet and I am testing out different ad networks. This became necessary after Google AdSense terminated my account (a long story, but basically they had approved the site with the issues surrounding the BLP debate, changed their mind later, and after a lot of badgering finally paid me for earned clicks). The Google experience gave me the idea of trying out competing networks and then writing reviews at some point. One thing I do plan on is making the presence of skyscrapers on the bottom half of search grids dependent on row count and in the case of the carrier report profiles dependent on text length in relation to the explanation and other fields combined with the presence of pictures, video and comments.
In the interest of efficiency I will focus my reliability arguments on the section you started about the reliability my website as a source, but first I have some general questions:
1. In the case of Jake's Booty Call you are applying the WP:BLP Policy to a part of the website that has nothing to do with living persons. Like any site with a diverse variety of content (like You Tube that you allow) I don't believe that one section should apply to the site as a whole. My site is segregated into many different areas. For instance my video section features the largest collection of STD videos online (that I know of) compiled from video sharing sites using the source URL of each stream allowing any online flash video to be added. I don't think you will find a larger selection of Herpes and HIV/AIDS videos anywhere. My question is that if You Tube pages can be added as external links and You Tube videos can and frequently contain content that violates WP:BLP why can't my gaming, video, and in the case of Rick Rolling my 9 videos starting at once with a full page ad Rick Roll be added?
2. Surely my Rick Roll is the most annoying of all Rick Rolls. Is it not also relevant to your Annoying, Nuisance, and Abomination articles regardless of what site created it?
3. Joking aside RipOffReport.com and DontDateHimGirl.com as well as the now offline RottenNeighbor.com have articles. My website has received a great deal of publicity including a very misleading and censored story available at CNN.com as well as additional stories from various local news organizations across the country including KVAL 13 in Eugene Oregon, Illinois Home Page, NBC 4 in Columbus, Ohio, CBS 5 in Phoenix, and others. Why not have an article about STDCarriers.com?
In closing I respect as well as like Misplaced Pages. I use it as a starting point for a lot research that I do. It obviously has a much better arrangement then I do for regulating user created content that can change at any time. If you object to my linking to the STD Videos and Rick Roll pages I apologize. They are there for your convenience and I am well aware that they don't influence page rank. I use “rel no follow” on some of my pages although I prefer to use the AJAX ConfirmButtonExtender for user created links to discourage search engine spamming.
P.S. I believe that without the outer ring of letters and my biohazard symbol in the middle that I may have recently created the most historically inclusive National Symbol/Emblem of France with this image . If it were up to me it would be on Misplaced Pages already, but I think I already know the answer to the question I want to ask. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cyrussullivan (talk • contribs) 09:34, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Editing Richard Isaac Fine
Thanks for your comments.
On dishonesty - it was possibly an uncool comment, but it was truthful.
When a person is charged with a crime, or in this case violation of a code of conduct, there are sections, and they have names to them. When an editor first removes the true name of the code section, and then enters instead words that may have appeared somewhere, but were not the name of any code section, or for that matter any part of any code, that is dishonest.
However, as stated in the discussion page, I had the "moment of clarity" today, when I saw that Montclair Plaza is going to be probably kept as an entry in wikipedia, while any mention of human rights atrocities in Katrina were censored out, and now Richard Fine information is dishonestly changed... There were other similar changes today, so in total the dishonest editing count is four:
(a) The charge claimed by the state bar - which indeed was the grounds for his false disbarment - of "Moral Turpitude" was replaced by words that do not conform to any section of the code;
(b)The fact that he was a former US prosecutor was deleted as insignificant;
(c) The fact that the payments to ALL Los Angeles judges which he uncovered required the convoluted "retroactive immunities" to be issued by enacting a dubious law...was deleted
(d) The fact that in jail he was denied access to pen and paper, so that he could not write, and he could not sign either the habeas corpus or 9th circuit court petition- was deleted.
What could I say - since the Age of Enlightenment and the French Encyclopedists, such projects defined their time and place. There is no doubt that[REDACTED] defines our times in the USA. Diderot would role in his grave...:) InproperinLA (talk) 01:12, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- For what it's worth, the majority of the stuff you mentioned above was "deleted" because it was not supported by reliable, third-party sources. That's all, there's no big conspiracy here, I swear. 98.233.249.17 (talk) 01:24, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
That ANI post
Is it proper for the subject of this ANI post to place a {{resolved}} template in the reply posting before any other admin has gotten a chance to look at it? Just asking because it looked weird (and disruptive) to me. Moogwrench (talk) 07:29, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks. You're right, that was a bad idea of his. Dougweller (talk) 11:46, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Apology
I am going on my wikibreak, but before I go I would like to apologize for some of my behaviour, which I regret. When I return, I will not edit the article incubator.Teeninvestor (talk) 22:52, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you. I'm impressed by the maturity of your decision (and hope that doesn't sound too patronising). Dougweller (talk) 11:10, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
AfD nomination of Pre-Siberian American Aborigines
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FUCK YOU TOO!!!! u all are the same fucking christians!!!! u dont decide my countrys name!!!! This is Turkish Republic of Northern CYPRUS.... FUCK YOU!!!! Now do your fucking job and block me u fucking christian!Sultaniman (talk) 10:40, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Eh? No, I said I'd block you if you continued attacking other editors - you've got it all wrong. :-) Dougweller (talk) 11:09, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
How nigh is the end exactly?
;) --Cúchullain /c 14:55, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- I saw that. A snowball's chance, I'd say, looking at the first votes. He doesn't seem to know what being an Admin even means. I was wondering if you'd noticed it and was thinking about mentioning it to you. Dougweller (talk) 14:58, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
Expanding Earth
I don't contest your revert/removal of advocate Shehu, though as a field geologist, his work is relevant to the article. It wasn't clear to me that the book was self-published. I see that now. About the external links: there exists an extensive array of divergent material at many web sites and much of it carries relevant information not covered in the article. I accompanied the EE entry since its early days and abandoned it because I saw its encyclopedic value being undermined by mainstream science considerations, as it is a discredited theory. I know Wiki guidelines advise against such bias but it is visible in the article. There exists a growing popular resurgence of Expanding Earth theory and it would be good encyclopedic form to inform about it. Opposition to doing so, due to scientific considerations overriding encyclopedic value, conceals an important popular and notable contemporary aspect of Expanding Earth. The additional external links help to inform about it. I understand that too many are not desirable, so perhaps we might consider allowing at least one more, perhaps the best of the three: Expanding Earth Knowledge Co. I will not press the issue but rather leave it to your evident good judgement. MichaelNetzer (talk) 15:54, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks. Have you read WP:EL? One thing I did was look at Alexa to get some idea of how popular the sites were (Misplaced Pages always runs the risk of people using it to drive traffic to their sites, popular sites don't need it). Google Books and Scholar also gives you an idea if it's been referenced. Note that we shouldn't include "Links to blogs, personal web pages and most fansites, except those written by a recognized authority. (This exception is meant to be very limited; as a minimum standard, recognized authorities always meet Misplaced Pages's notability criteria for biographies". EEK is either a personal website or a commercial one selling globes, etc. But looking again, the main problem is that even without these 3 there are 4 links all arguing for the hypothesis, which is clearly overkill. And one of them is yours. One of them is to a subscription newsletter, and that should go. So should the self-published pdf. And Neal Adams. I could point out that yours is also a personal website, but the difference is that it is more eclectic, and includes the links I don't think belong on the page. My suggestion is only have your link and try to find one that comments on the hypothesis from a mainstream viewpoint. Dougweller (talk) 16:41, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- There's much to tell about this page that I don't have the time to immerse myself into again. The entire page is heavily edited from a mainstream viewpoint which discredits the theory. The external links in support don't really approach striking a necessary balance of unbiased content. If you're at all interested or inclined there are several behind the scenes links on my user page that show this and explain the importance of the Neal Adams video links - and how his notable derivative Growing Earth Theory, which gained a Keep decision in a deletion attempt, Growing Earth Theory deletion-debate:Keep, was later effectively removed by mainstream advocate editors who merged it into Expanding Earth by reducing it to 2 lines. In light of this history and my present time constraints, I prefer to refrain from further editing at this time. Many thanks for taking the time to respond. MichaelNetzer (talk) 19:12, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
RfA again
Hi Doug. It's a year since my RfA and I'm thinking of having another go. Would you want to nom again? (A rather hair-raising process last time, so if not, will understand). Moreschi seems to be away for a couple of weeks otherwise I would ask him too. All the best. Itsmejudith (talk) 16:29, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Have you read through the last couple of months of RfAs to see the sorts of questions asked, expectations, etc? Some things have changed in the last year. Dougweller (talk) 16:43, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Will do that now, thanks Doug. Itsmejudith (talk) 01:24, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
Sultaniman
Never mind being "the virus of the world", since I have a terrible cold at the moment I feel like the world's given me its virus. :-( Anyway, thanks for dealing with that pest. -- ChrisO (talk) 18:30, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- I'm not contagious (I hope), but my thanks to you as well. (Taivo (talk) 18:58, 28 December 2009 (UTC))
Possible Split article, Fringe migration map, and according to talkpage, perhaps also Copy vio?
Merry Christmas Doug. Ever see this? History of the Hittites --Andrew Lancaster (talk) 20:40, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks. This I feel comfortable with, I'll do something tomorrow. Dougweller (talk) 22:26, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
Scandals of Najib Tun Razak
Seeing that you have taken an interest in this article. I would like to bring to your attention a pattern of abuse whereby a serial vandal who continually whitewashes articles, Monkeyassault such as Najib Tun Razak and Scandals of Najib Tun Razak, it would be better for you to look at this discussion topic Talk:Najib_Tun_Razak#Over-protectionism_though_abuse_of_COATRACK.2FWP:BLP_claims. There were no particular instant that this individual made an effort to seek consensus. He continued to whitewash and conduct edit-warring at the Najib Tun Razak article, which let to the article being frozen for a few weeks. The Scandals of Najib Tun Razak article was created in the interim to put all the whitewashed information done by this individual that would later be reinstated in the main article. It would be a better solution to freeze the main article Najib Tun Razak from further edits until consensus has been achieved, provided if you have admin priveleges. Roman888 (talk) 17:12, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- I do, but this should be discussed at ANI where I brought it up, not here. Dougweller (talk) 17:14, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- I have already put my comments on the ANI topic and would appreciate your kind action. I also would like to bring to your attention a transgression that took place in my talk page whereby the individual mentioned threaten me - User_talk:Roman888#ANI_discussion_about_the_article_you_recently_created Roman888 (talk) 17:59, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
No one has threatened you. When an incident is reported in ANI all parties involved should be notified. Monkeyassault (talk) 18:06, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
Edits that make you go "huh?"
Maybe you can explain this one to me. Was the Quran ever written in Elizabethan English? That's a new one on me. Actually, maybe this is a recreation of that old Quaker thing, using the antiquated singular pronouns instead of the "uppity" plural ones.
Of course, the reasoning behind the usage in the fundamentalist church I attended as a youth was that the Bible (KJV of course) was written with those old pronouns so they were a part of "God's language." So I don't know what this fellow's thinking. What's your opinion? Auntie E. 17:46, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- Some people just think it sounds good. Probably an American (like me). Right now I'm trying to revert a lot of edits adding categories 'American Jew' or 'American Jewish politician', and may go after the cats themselves - see Misplaced Pages:Categorization/Ethnicity, gender, religion and sexuality. Tsm2009 (talk · contribs) seems here only to add these categories. Dougweller (talk) 17:59, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
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I apologise for offending your sensibilities
I seem to have also violated WP:POINT, but my antipathy toward prejudice in its very many varied forms is such that I will sometimes use distasteful or offensive language to drive home the point that there is a duty of care for all of us to avoid reinforcing stereotypes or making assumptions upon any large group of diverse people. The terms and colloquialisms I used were deliberately provocative, in that perhaps as little as 50 years ago they were part of common language in many places but are now rightly considered offensive. However, that means I have also possibly offended some readers. I sincerely regret that. LessHeard vanU (talk) 12:08, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- Ok, thanks. They certainly were common language then, and worse. I marched with Martin Luther King -- those terms are mild compared to the abuse being thrown at us then. Dougweller (talk) 12:11, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- Ah, such is the anonymity of WP. I attended the "Nelson Mandela Birthday Party" in Hyde Park, lived near Southall and worked near Brixton when the riots (which were only racial in that the Metropolitan Police and especially the Special Patrol Group targeted members of ethnic groups that were not white, and provoked the situations in each case) took place.
- I am pleased to have met someone who has also taken part in the struggle against ignorance and foolishness. LessHeard vanU (talk) 12:28, 31 December 2009 (UTC)