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due to anniversary duties, dave is not taking on any new cases.

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Dave, can you self revert?

Dave, I believe that you might have accidentally violated 1RR with the following two edits. You reverted one of my edits here and one of Heyitspeter's edits here. Can you please self-revert one of them? A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 00:28, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Eh, I did revert Heyitspeter, but I didn't revert you, I added a new and minor clarification to your edit. Your change, my further change. Not the same as it was before. As discussed at #Second_paragraph, the opinion was "With reference to FOI requests made by David Holland". I've left out "opinion" which is a useful refinement, but the wording didn't seem crucial. Do plesae discuss on the article talk page, with references, if you want to dispute that. Thanks for the helpful hint, dave souza, talk 01:09, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Dave, please self-revert at my TalkPage, MalcolmMcDonald (talk) . All those points are valid but none of them concerns improving the articles (that I can see), which, as I told you when you asked, was the point of having it. All you've done is assert your support for the current condition, and we could have guessed that anyway. Your work is not wasted, since I'm keeping copies of such material at the bottom of this page here. I may eventually integrate the charts, using your material in an NPOV fashion with that of others. MalcolmMcDonald (talk) 09:45, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm puzzled, having made specific proposals for improving various articles – for example, "the range of views in Scientific opinion on climate change should include those who think it's worse than IPCC reports indicate" – that's not in the current article. . . dave souza, talk 09:55, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
Ah, so you don't want opinions that don't suit your purpose? . . dave souza, talk 13:17, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Fringe Theory Ground Rules

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Ah, so five of the arbiters seem to have declined it. Looks like a content dispute, to be settled by policies and guidelines as usual. . . dave souza, talk 15:28, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Referencing the The Real Global Warming Disaster

Thanks for your help. Will try to implement your recommendations. Jprw (talk) 06:52, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Glad to assist. For an example of the harvnb template in use see Second voyage of HMS Beagle, where clicking on a citation link in the text takes you to the author name, year and page numbers in the Notes. Clicking on the author name/year links down to the source in the References section. . dave souza, talk 13:36, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

An idea for improving the GW editing environment

I've been thinking about how the probation in this space is not really working as hoped and about what you and TS said fringe views, condescension etc. I wonder if it wouldn't be better if, in place of restrictions that concentrate on the number of reverts etc., the community agreed to statement of principles that all editors would have to agree to before editing in a probationary space. For instance in the GW space, it might start off with a section on the science:

  1. I agree that the current mainstream scientific position re AWG is X as reflected in peer-reviewed scientific journals.
  2. I agree that regardless of my view of the accuracy of (1), WP must reflect the mainstream view.
  3. I agree that contrary views can only be reflected if ...

... then a section on editing environment

  1. I agree that a collegial editing environment is vital to producing articles of good quality and so agree to adhere to
  2. I agree to argue in good faith, listen and respond politely to the points others make
  3. I agree to write for the enemy
  4. ...etc

New editors would be warned (as they are now about probation) of these sanctions and would put a template on their talk page if they agree. Violators would be warned and then topic/article banned as now. Thoughts? JPatterson (talk) 20:31, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

I don't think demanding that editors agree to a checklist is going to work, but the idea of a tamplate making these points with reference to policies could be helpful. The first point could cite Talk:Global warming/FAQ and note that WP:MNA means that the issue gets discussed on talk:global warming, not on every other page. Bit pressed for time just now, will think it over. It's something that 2/0, Lar and other enforcing admins would have to approve, perhaps put a proposal up at Misplaced Pages talk:General sanctions/Climate change probation/Requests for enforcement when you're ready. . . dave souza, talk 21:18, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
Hmm, I thought of it more like the community defining the editing environment they want and editors either agreeing to operate in that environment or finding somewhere else to contribute. But in any case, right now it's kind of sink or swim. I know when I showed up I was bewildered by the rules, policy links (many of which conflict or are not helpful in this environment), all the process boards which it turns out, they don't really want you to use :>), etc. Your idea of at least laying out the important policy guidelines at the offset in some digestible form I think would help quite a lot. JPatterson (talk) 02:44, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Please consider signing our proposal.

A number of editors have been working on a proposal regarding the renaming of the Climatic Research Unit hacking incident and we are now in the process of working with people individually to try and garner support for this proposal. Please review the proposal and if you are willing to support and defend it please add your name to the list of signatories. If you have comments or concerns regarding the proposal please feel free to discuss them here. The goal of this effort is to find a name that everyone can live with and to make that name stick by having a strong show of unified support for it moving forward. Thanks. --GoRight (talk) 15:31, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up, I'll review this proposal and give it some thought. . . dave souza, talk 17:08, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
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