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Rd232 10:00, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Tut tut. Have you been a naughty girl SandyG? Never catch me at ANI, except that time when ... oh and there was that other time ... and I'd forgotten about ... :-) --Malleus Fatuorum 13:48, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

I think I should set up a subpage so Rd232 can harass me :) Does anyone wonder why Mark Weisbrot, who most people have never heard of, is suddenly so important to so many pro-Chavez editors? Following all of their edits is giving me some clues to what this is about ... SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:03, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Two articles

Hi Sandy, I'm having some issues understanding a few things. Have you got a moment to comment on the following?

• Talk:Criticism of Human Rights Watch#Confused
• Talk:Mark Weisbrot#Having issues parsing a sentence here...

I haven't got an issue with what's being said (I don't know anything about Venezuela at all I'm afraid), I'm just trying to work out what the sentence is trying to say! - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) 13:11, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Tbsdy, I looked at the second, and your proposal is fine. On the first, that article has been subjected to tendentious editing, and I don't have time to weigh in there. I'm sure that article is a mess, like others affected. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:51, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

User:Splarka/sysopdectector.js

Sandy, may I add a script to your monobook.js that will allow you to tell if someone is an administrator or not just by viewing their userpage? NW (Talk) 17:33, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

If you don't mind, I would appreciate that ... I've got to check out of my hotel. Thanks for doing that ... I'm usually a very busy editor, and I certainly missed that x 2. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:37, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Done :) Cheers, NW (Talk) 17:58, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you; I won't have time to properly look at it and really thank you until I resurface. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:00, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

I looked and it works great ! Thanks again, NW; now I've no excuse for my ... ummm ... incompetence. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:24, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Moni3 and RegentsPark

Thanks for the reverts, but isn't it more fun to keep the crazy posts around so others can enjoy them :) Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:24, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

It's worth it to remove a mere "You suck!", but when it's really over the top, then it's a keeper. Like a snapshot of someone very angry and unbalanced, to keep in your pocket forever. --Moni3 (talk) 00:47, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

I always like the projective factor in angry posts, but I don't think I want them in my pocket. Besides, I like to let the misimpressions stand ... they come in handy ... and sure beat the time a friend described the real me to all of UseNet :-( Stuck in the airport by a snowstorm ... damn, it's cold here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:50, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

And now Laser, too ... I could have come home to so much fun ! Engvar my face :) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 06:40, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

One of the many irritating things about ANI

Are you offended that I closed the discussion? It was taking on the appearance of an ad hoc conduct RfC on you, complete with subheaders for involved and uninvolved editors' opinions. It seemed like the respectful decision in light of your long service to the project, but if you'd rather snark in reply then by all means conduct your disputes there as long as you'd like. Excuse the interference; it was intended kindly. Durova 02:07, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Not so much offended, since Rd232 shouldn't be waging his campaign against me at ANI anyway, but I believe you knew that I was bothered years ago when I announced I'd be busy with my family for a few hours, and the thread was shut down. Since that thread was about me, it seems strange for it to be shut down just when I announced I'd be away for a while. I appreciate your good intent, but I owed an apology to JN, which deserved the wider audience where the incident was raised. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:24, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

I've just gone through security and re-logged on to see that you unarchived the thread; that wasn't necessary. I merely wanted to apologize to JN (and I don't think collapsing should be used in place of archive top and bottom, since they hide the whole thread, and what Rd232 did there should be open and available for all to see). SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:26, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

It looked like a thread that had been misfiled from the start. Sometimes people go to ANI when dispute resolution is needed instead; the community rarely acts upon that type of complaint so the problem usually worsens as the participants become frustrated. In general, the best thing to do is refer it elsewhere when people start digging trenches and lobbing verbal grenades. I did not intuit any hidden meaning behind your posts and certainly didn't intend to prevent you from making amends. This may have been one of the exceptions and I apologize for any difficulty that created. Durova 03:16, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

No difficulty, no apology needed ... Rd232 has been to about every noticeboard on Wiki ranting about me ... we should set up a special Rd232 rant noticeboard :) We also haven't gotten to the bottom yet of the potential coordinated meatpuppetry, or Rd232's strange statements/concerns about Mark Weisbrot appearing to be an unregistered agent of a foreign government. Beyond trying to figure out why or how Rd232 came up with that notion, I'm too tired to think about it right now. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 07:29, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

"Rd232 has been to about every noticeboard on Wiki ranting about me " - not that's you Sandy. Every bloody time at content-related dispute resolution you "ranted" (not an entirely unfair characterisation, though I wouldn't choose the word) about me (and often JRSP too). I'm more than than happy to provide diffs showing that; this would be a start. I have consistently sought to use DR for its intended purpose; and you have consistently sought to derail that purpose, and use it as a platform to attack me. This reached the point at WP:RSN (also due to another editor attacking as well, but Sandy did her share) that I had to start a separate thread to try to get back to an actual content discussion. Rd232 08:40, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

"Mark Weisbrot appearing to be an unregistered agent of a foreign government" - I said no such thing; and I object to you pretending that you do not fully understand the implications of your sustained attempt to link CEPR with VIO. Venezuela Information Office is a registered agent of a foreign government (well, was, I think they're defunct), and linking someone with them is clearly intended to discredit that someone. Given the tenuousness of the links and the gravity of the insinuation, an editor of your experience cannot possibly pretend that you do not know *exactly* what you are doing - which is to seek to discredit anyone writing about Venezuela in a way you don't like. Rd232 08:40, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Rd232, whenever you decide whether you are or are not retiring, and can come to my talk page to discuss with me without attacking me, we can have a dialogue. If you continue to assume bad faith and lodge blatant personal attacks on me everywhere you post, dialogue is unlikely to be productive. The choice is yours; I'm all ears, but I am not going to engage your personal attacks or assumptions of bad faith, just to have you say you're retiring mid-discussion. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:07, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

And there we are: whenever you cannot deal with straightforward issues you either make personal attacks, claim attacks on you, or just walk away. You are - very slowly - succeeding in giving me the motivation to take you to arbcom. please desist from doing so, as I can ill afford the time involved. Rd232 19:07, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Re-iterating: when you are calm, willing to start a dialogue where you will refrain from personal attacks or disappearing into retirement, do come back here and talk to me, not at me. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:22, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

I bring your attention to my recent post at ANI - Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Motion_to_close. Our choices at this point seem to be the Thunderdome-style drama of an arbcom case (you seem to be preparing for that), or burying the hatchet - chalking up past problems to some kind of miscommunication in order to regain mutual AGF. I realise I we have diametrically opposed views on Venezuela; but we ought nonetheless to be able to get along if we focussed sufficiently on content and worked hard enough to bring in many more editors via content dispute resolution. Anyway, it's up to you. Rd232 15:14, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Rd232, I am encouraged to see two posts from you that include no personal attacks on me, and do hope that this means a line can be drawn in the sand and we can move forward more productively. (No, I'd not like to see an ArbCom case, which would be immensely difficult and time-consuming, but have found that I need to defend myself against the sustained attacks on multiple fronts by building a clear history, including work that needs to be done on these articles-- you might note that documentation came in handy when I had to address outrageously unfounded claims from The Four Dueces at AN/I, considering this situation is too complex and drawn out for uninvolved observers to follow.) However, I find one aspect of your ANI post confusing/troubling, and recognize that I may be misreading or misinterpreting (particularly in light of JN's good observations about what it has been like for me to deal with these sustained attacks while I have so much else going on IRL and on Wiki). Rather than drag all of ANI through my questions to you, I suggest resolving my concern/confusion about one aspect of your post to ANI here-- is that acceptable to you? I appreciate that you have now posted to me without attacks, and hope this is a sign of better collaboration ahead for us. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:02, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

General question for TPS

Is there a forum on Wiki that deals with the ways different browsers read images and spacing and such? I'm having some issues with Internet Explorer reading a large white space in List of invasive species in the Everglades when the two large images appear stacked such as in this version. Another user shifted one of the images to another section because he says it looks disrupted. (See that version here.) I have looked at the version with stacked images in Firefox and IE and cannot notice a difference. Thanks. --Moni3 (talk) 18:49, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

I have a big, ongoing problem with image display on IE, and went to VP:T a month or so about that; they weren't able to resolve it. You can try searching VP:T for my old post about image display problems. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:53, 18 February 2010 (UTC)