User talk:Canterbury Tail - Misplaced Pages

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NI placenames in Irish

Hi there,

I noticed your edits to my talk page, although you removed them - so apologies for bringing this up (you can always remove my comment here if you like!) Nevertheless, I'll just leave a quick note here re: the Irish placenames.

I realise that it's a slightly controversial addition to the NI pages, but I do see it as being relevant content for the encyclopaedia. Mostly the current placenames are based on the Irish, so it is good to provide information on how towns got their names. Ideally, what the Irish actually means should be added also (it's not on all town articles, north or south, at present).

zoney ♣ talk 15:27, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Ulster

I can't agree, its already made abundantly clear earlier in the article what the six counties are.

Lapsed Pacifist 10:42, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Sorry which article again? The Irish Constitution one or the Ulster one? Ben W Bell 10:46, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The Ulster article, it's explained clearly and mentioned twice in the Geography and Demographics section, near the beginning, and again right before your edit.

Lapsed Pacifist 10:52, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Well the line read "While the Ulster Catholics of Northern Ireland have long opposed Northern Ireland's existence, the Ulster Protestants of the three Republic of Ireland counties have assimilated well (although there was a good deal of migration into the six counties following partition)." It just doesn't flow for me, it reads to ambiguously. Six counties is just six counties, could be any counties. Now I have no objections to the use of six counties in this paragraph at all, but do think (personally) that it needs a slight clarification. If you don't want to use "Northern Ireland's six counties" then "other six counties" would work just as well (and would probably resolve having Northern Ireland mention by name so many times in one sentence. Ben W Bell 10:58, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I take your point, "other six counties" seems the best option.

Lapsed Pacifist 11:04, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

See, we can agree on some things :) Ben W Bell 11:07, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I reckon it's not always a vale of tears!

Lapsed Pacifist 11:11, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the support on User talk:Timewaster. Where else are these images, then? I haven't seen them.

Telsa 13:42, 11 August 2005 (UTC) (who is a she, btw :))

Tesla, no problems. I think this user is the one also known as B1link82 and Houghone who has been banned for vandalism, and insulting conduct and have made a point of keeping an eye on him. I could be wrong, in fact I would like to be surprised. As for the images, I've seen them on the BBC site and couple of other news agency sites ] for one of them. I have reported them as Copyright Violations on the image and media section of the Misplaced Pages.

P.S. Have you noticed on his talk page that he's just come back in an unfriendly manner and told you to get lost? Obviously has something to hide and isn't a team person. Ben W Bell 18:24, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

PPS I think I may be wrong about my initial thought, I'm not so sure it's the same person. It's so hard to tell on the web. Ben W Bell 06:51, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Oh right. Yes, those photos do look remarkably similar! Telsa 09:37, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

I think this user is the one also known as B1link82 and Houghone who has been banned for vandalism, and insulting conduct and have made a point of keeping an eye on him. I could be wrong, in fact I would like to be surprised.

You are indeed wrong and as to your habit of cyber stalking users who you have no reasonable proof to suspect of being other users I think your conduct is diabolical. What gives you the right to follow new users around? You've put me off using Misplaced Pages ever again. Is it your job to turn people away from Misplaced Pages or did you bestow that honour on yourself? I suspect the latter. Keep away from users you do not know in future you are doing more harm than good.

--Timewaster 15:59, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Actually Timewaster I'd already come to the conclusion you weren't the same person at all, the perosn I was thinking of was rather inarticulate which you are not. You coincidentally appeared the day after his other account was banned and were editing the same pages which I why I initially jumped to the conclusion, but I have since realised I was wrong. Don't leave Misplaced Pages, I think you have something to offer. I didn't stalk users, in fact I only came onto your talk page to talk about the SAS photos on the SAS page, a matter which was a valid one. Ben W Bell 16:02, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Xavier School

Thanks for the headsup at the vandalism page. The page was protected. If you feel it is safe, remind me to unlock.--Jondel 09:02, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Will do. I just came across it and noticed it was being hammered by multiple anon IPs. I'd say given the pattern that it can be unlocked in about two weeks. Ben W Bell 10:14, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Template:Airlines of Canada

It's Misplaced Pages policy to have it moved that way. I don't understand why you're so interested in the template anyway since you're not even from canada. --File:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy 16:01, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

It's not a revert because I used the 'move' button to move it, and the history and talk pages moved as well. --File:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy 17:13, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Pivotal Corporation

Hi Ben, you created the article Pivotal Corporation. So, the company makes CRM software, but why should it be in Misplaced Pages and not in WikiCompany? What makes it stand out? Is it a 2 person start-up or a multi-billion company? The article doesn't say. Maybe you can provide some more information, otherwise it may soon end up on Articles for deletion. --S.K. 18:11, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Slum Tourism Toronto

Hi Ben. In fact, the new agency, Slum Tourism Toronto, created by the Parkdale Tenants Association, is geared to tourists and will be offering a free "Slums Unlimited" bus tour of several Toronto slum neighbourhoods to show tourists another, less glossy, side of Toronto starting February 2, as featured on their website. Don't you think tourists should see the true character of a city, warts and all? The Parkdale Tenants Association, which has been around more than 30 years, and is quite well respected, obviously feels that by showing tourists a different side of Toronto than what they usually see on a traditional tour, the City and the Province will improve conditions and make Toronto a better city for everybody, one that all Torontonians will be proud to call home, not just those who can afford decent accomodations. I'm not sure why you consider this a less worthy tourist site than any other. Their upcoming bus tour has received widespread international attention and has been featured in literally thousands of articles as far away as India, Australia and Italy as well as on ABC News and MSNBC. Hope that answers your question. I believe this falls under the guidelines of Misplaced Pages and is in the appropriate category. Please enable the email settings in your preferences section if you want to continue this discussion. Take care.

UPDATE: Somebody has created a new category on the Toronto site, "protest websites", and moved Slum Tourism Toronto there. I can live with that. In response to your point about it promoting a business, the bus tours are free, thus it does not contravene Misplaced Pages policy.

Eaton Centre

Hello, Ben. I clarified your change to the Toronto Eaton Centre article. Despite your opinion that it doesn't rate above the CN Tower, the TEC draws far more visitors. I have clarified the reference to make clear the reference to "top tourist attraction" is based on the number of visitors. Qualitatively you are correct -- each tourist probably has their own view as to what constitutes their top attraction. Skeezix1000 14:15, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

That's fair enough. Toronto City itself lists the CN Tower as the top tourist attraction, but yes more tourists probably go through the Eaton Centre than anywhere else in the city (other than Pearson). Not sure it means the Eaton Centre is necessarily a tourist attraction though, but they do visit it. Ben W Bell 15:14, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Rodney "Gypsy" Smith

Nice job on the wikification. Stevage 14:24, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you. I came across it on one of my Random page hops (I hit a random page and fix anything I think needs fixing). Ben W Bell 14:26, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Popups tool

See my comments on my talk page about how I use popups. A popups revert is almost always "rvv". On the Toronto page today, which I think is what motivated your comment, some editor change the pop-stats and then made a talk page comment with the word "str8" in there. Instant reversion, no follow up required in my opinion. He can paste a confirming URL in the talk page instead of "str8" next time. Jok2000 16:20, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

City, State

Would you mind weighing in at Talk:Los Angeles, California on the page move I requested? I noticed your comments on Talk:Toronto and couldn't help seeing some strange parallels between the two - strange, that is to say, in that certain people insist every American city has to be named that way. Even if you vote to oppose, I'd appreciate your input. Thanks! Jibbajabba 09:56, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Read the damn talk page before making changes

Please stop changing the Charles Darwin article. Your views do not represent community consensus & your usage of the words fact & theory are vernacular not scientific. Please actually READ the following:

Um firstly stop being so strong, I made one reversion that was tucked in with a bunch of vandalism. Secondly Charles Darwin came up with the theory of evolution. That may have been accepted as fact now by the scientific community but he didn't establish it as a fact, he established it as a theory, and it has been worked on ever since. Ben W Bell 12:56, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Ok, sorry... I've just had to fight creationists on this for a while now & frustration boiled over. Didn't mean to insult you... You misunderstand me, Darwin is famous for BOTH establishing the fact of evolution (i.e. in the descriptive sense of transmutation of species and decent with modification) AND the theory of natural selection which explains why evolution in the descriptive sense occurs. Please read the Stephen Jay Gould article (or see the Charles Darwin talk page for a relevant excerpt), he explains it very nicely. Mikkerpikker 13:03, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

I must say I have no interest in editing this article, but as a scientist I do feel the first sentence is extremely misleading. Technically you cannot apply the word fact to a scientific principle or answer. No amount of experimentation can ever prove a scientific theory to be correct, but a single experiment can prove them to be wrong. In the world of science the world 'fact' is only used to mean 'as fits current evidence' and that is all the 'Theory of Evolution' is. So to use the strong wording of fact in the opening paragraph as it is is very misleading. But as I say editing the article holds no real interest for me as it is a controversial issue. Ben W Bell 13:08, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

I see what you're saying but, for our purposes, there are two relevant types of propositions: observables & theories. Now, theories explain observables and, you're right, we can never be absolutely certain about a theory, but we're usually quite certain about observables. It is a fact that apples fall when not supported, and the theory of universal gravitation explains why. It is also a fact that the globe is warming and the theory of the greenhouse effect explains why. In neither of these (or related) cases will the facts change if the theories are revised. Einstein didn't prove apples don't fall, he merely changed the theory that does the explanation... Similarly, evolution (in the sense that organisms adapt to their environment) is a fact - one we're about as certain about as, say, that the earth is spherical. The theory of natural selection could one day be disproved, but evolution in the descriptive sense is as unassailable as apples falling & the sky being blue. Mikkerpikker 13:18, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Eurofighter Typhoon vandal

Nice work catching the vandalism on the article! Mark83 15:11, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Hey, even if it wasn't vandalism it was dreadful editing. Ben W Bell 15:12, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

His/her edit's bear an uncanny resemblence to those of User:Aytharn, e.g. . That user's edits too were often accompanied by IP edits of similar quality. Mark83 15:28, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

I'll take your word for it and keep an eye on him as well. The poor spelling and edits do definitely seem similar. Ben W Bell 15:48, 13 January 2006 (UTC)