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Other neat portal ideas for longer term
- Longer term ideas to think about from other portals:
- Events section, like: "On this day" e.g., Biography, Religion, United States; "Selected anniversaries" e.g., War; "Calendar" at Holidays. Interesting idea of "Month selected anniversaries", at Oregon.
- Model intro with some rotating images, after Portal:Oregon, Portal:Indiana, Portal:Iceland/Intro and Portal:Philosophy of science/Intro.
- Revamp DYK sections w/ free-use images, model after Portal:Criminal justice and Portal:Oregon.
- Portal palettes at User:RichardF/Palettes/Portals. Comparable color schemes can be developed from the various hue lists at User:RichardF/Palettes. Also see Portal:Box-header.
- If there are a lot of categories, then categories section to 2 columns, like in Portal:Indiana.
- Also take some time to check out style/formatting at Portal:Indiana Cirt (talk)
Note to self
independent reliable secondary sources
- {{findsources}}
- Cite templates
<ref>{{cite book| last = | first = | authorlink = | coauthors = | title = | publisher = | year = | location = | page = | url = | doi = | id = | isbn = }}</ref>
<ref>{{cite news| last = | first = | coauthors = | title = | work = | language = | publisher = | page = | date = | url = | accessdate = }}</ref>
<ref>{{cite journal|last =| first=| authorlink=| coauthors=|title=|journal=|volume=|issue=|page=|publisher=|location = | date = | url = | doi = | id = | accessdate = }}</ref>
<ref>{{cite web| last = | first = | authorlink = | coauthors = | title = | work = | publisher = | date = | url = | format = | doi = | accessdate = }}</ref>
- Citation model
- Body text in-cite
<ref name="REFNAME">], p. PAGENUMBER</ref>
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(reference template from WP:CIT)
*<cite id=LASTNAME>REFERENCE</cite>
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- Template:Citation
- Template:Harvnb
- Example: <ref name="REFNAME">{{Harvnb|LAST|YEAR|p=PAGENUMBER}}</ref>
See models at The General in His Labyrinth and Mario Vargas Llosa.
More at Misplaced Pages:Harvard citation template examples.
Dispatch
Cirt, Awadewit suggested that you might be interested in writing a Signpost Dispatch article on Featured portals (the only area of featured content we haven't covered). Sample previous articles are at {{FCDW}}. We've covered:
- Featured content overview
- Peer review
- Did you know
- Featured lists
- Good articles
- Featured sounds
- Featured topics
- Images
- TFA
- And Featured articles many times: Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Signpost/2008-07-21/Dispatches, Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Signpost/2008-04-07/Dispatches, Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Signpost/2008-10-13/Dispatches
None of them start out looking like that: if an editor initially just chunks in some text, many others chip in to tweak it up to Signpost standards. For example, someone wrote this, which Karanacs, Royalbroil and I turned into this, so if you just chunk in some text as a start, others can help finish it off. Another example, I put in this outline, and Karanacs brought it up to this. Other editors have written almost complete and clean Dispatches without much need for other editing. If you're interested, please weigh in and coordinate at WT:FCDW In case you're interested, you could just begin sandboxing something at WP:FCDW/Portals and pop over to WT:FCDW to leave a note when you're ready for others to help out. Regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:26, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
- Will mull this over and most likely draft something up. Cirt (talk) 11:54, 18 November 2108 (UTC)
Razzies progress
- 15th Golden Raspberry Awards through 29th Golden Raspberry Awards = reformatting process done.
- Note: Going to have to go back and model these after the modifications made subsequently to 29th Golden Raspberry Awards.
- 29th Golden Raspberry Awards - so far only one expanded with sourcing research. (WP:FL)
- Razzie Award for Worst New Star = reformatting process done, next to use Talk:Razzie Award for Worst Picture as model to reformat other pages in Category:Golden Raspberry Awards by category (with subsection breaks by decade)
Potals
Two things.
- Do you think that if I nominated Portal:Volcanoes for FP in its current state, it would pass?
- You should write a Featured Portal guide. You're the Portal deity after all, the rest of us wikipedians could really use it.
Cheers, ResMar 17:53, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
- I like the style and layout of the portal, passing is up to the community, sorry. :P
- I would love to write such a guide, that is a good idea, perhaps for a later point in the future.
- You may wish to also consult RichardF (talk · contribs) about such matters – a very experienced portal contributor. :) -- Cirt (talk) 14:21, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
- Special:Contributions/RichardF. I believe he is on wikibreak right now. But great, that's reassuring. Time to canvas project members :* ResMar 14:46, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
- You can also try emailing him, and also examining some of his featured portal contributions, or I would suggest some of mine too. -- Cirt (talk) 14:50, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
- Special:Contributions/RichardF. I believe he is on wikibreak right now. But great, that's reassuring. Time to canvas project members :* ResMar 14:46, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
DYK help appreciated!
Say there Cirt, thanks for trying out an alt hook for me at my first DYK submission. As you may know I wound up going with an ALT 2, which seems to have passed initial muster. Your shorter version of the hook gave me a clue as to what to shoot for. I honestly don't know what happens next, so I'm standing by, but... it's surprisingly exciting! Distracts from vandal fighting though... ;D. Thanks again and see ya around, Jusdafax 20:25, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
- No worries, and good luck. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 20:26, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
Brynjar Mar
Hi, I see that you closed Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/BMV (singer), I just want to point out that Brynjar Mar was included in the same AfD and probably should have been deleted also. Thanks J04n(talk page) 21:12, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
Done. -- Cirt (talk) 11:10, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/Opie_Winston
Hey Cirt, you closed this as delete back in May, but the article's been re-created and some IP has undone your close. Not being an admin, I can't see if it's speediable as a recreation of a deleted article. can you have a look? Cheers, Reyk YO! 02:24, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
- Alas, someone undid that close, so the debate appears to still be open. Sigh. Frank | talk 02:31, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
- Done. -- Cirt (talk) 11:10, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
DYK for Jamie Sorrentini
 | On July 26, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Jamie Sorrentini, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. |
— Rlevse • Talk • 12:03, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
Asking your support
The DYK for Daryl Wine Bar and Restaurant has been pulled by Fram pending resolution of the discussions about the article. I hope that you will support this delay, as it really is important that we get things right here.
It has been hinted that you may have some conflict of interest in writing this article. You removed the COI tag. I want my next question to be taken in the best possible way, and I ask with the utmost respect, primarily in the interest of giving you the opportunity to clarify this to the good, so please don't take it as an accusation but rather a necessary question of inquiry. Do you have a COI in writing this article? Do you know or have you spoken with any owner, chef, employee etc.? Are you a fan of the restaurant? Do you eat there? (I think these last two in particular do not give rise to a conflict of interest, but disclosure would help us all to understand why you wrote the article... a good thing!)
I think the problem many of us are having is that the article reads like an advertisement, which always sets off alarm bells, and that you nominated this unremarkable (but apparently quite good) local restaurant for front page publicity rings those bells even louder. I am not an advocate of the view "where there is smoke, there is fire". But "where there is smoke, someone better check if there's a fire" is valid.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 15:38, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
- No to all above questions. -- Cirt (talk) 20:32, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
- I also note you have some references out of numerical order in that article (). Please correct them before I suffer yet another relapse.... The Rambling Man (talk) 20:37, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
- Okay, will do. -- Cirt (talk) 20:38, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
- Much appreciated Cirt. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:42, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
- Reply to The Rambling Man: Done. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 20:54, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
- Reply to The Rambling Man:
- Much appreciated Cirt. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:42, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
- Okay, will do. -- Cirt (talk) 20:38, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
- I also note you have some references out of numerical order in that article (). Please correct them before I suffer yet another relapse.... The Rambling Man (talk) 20:37, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
Hey Cirt, I'm doing well. I was (to say the least) a little bit shocked that Jimbo had to wade in here with some "mightier than thou" opinion on "smoke + fire = ???". I was sure he had better things to do with his time. Anyway, glad to help with the article, and the citation ordering is simply a bit of an OCD thing for me, I can't stand that out-of-order stuff. Perhaps I can get a grant or something... Anyway, keep up the good work, as ever. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:33, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
- I agree with your concern about that. And, thank you very much! -- Cirt (talk) 21:39, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
- Mightier than thou? Quite the contrary. I took great pains here to make sure that nothing about my question could be perceived in that way. Indeed, my point was precisely that "where there is smoke there is fire" is not valid.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 02:42, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
- You'd have to ask The Rambling Man more specifically, but yes I share the general concern voiced by The Rambling Man, above. -- Cirt (talk) 03:14, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
- Mightier than thou? Quite the contrary. I took great pains here to make sure that nothing about my question could be perceived in that way. Indeed, my point was precisely that "where there is smoke there is fire" is not valid.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 02:42, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
Oh Come on, what the hell is up with this Daryl's article. Jimbo's real question is, why did you write this?--Milowent • 07:12, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you for your interest. To be a bit more specific, there was no paid editing involved with writing this article. -- Cirt (talk) 10:32, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
- Also, see this comment. -- Cirt (talk) 18:42, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
Articles for deletion nomination of Daryl Wine Bar and Restaurant
I have nominated Daryl Wine Bar and Restaurant, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Misplaced Pages's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Daryl Wine Bar and Restaurant. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.
Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Off2riorob (talk) 20:58, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you for the notice. -- Cirt (talk) 03:52, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
Schlumberger Business Consulting
Cirt,
I've rewritten the article on SBC, and I posted the link to the "Ask for feedback" page. If you want to have a look and comment on it, I would be grateful. The link to the userspace draft is just below. http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Axblt58/SBC This way, we may put this article back online
Axblt58 (talk) 15:35, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
- Who is the "we" you refer to, above? -- Cirt (talk) 01:18, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
This "we" refers to I, with approval and feedback from various people. I couldn't put "I" because that would have sounded too peremptory. I couldn't put "you" either. Perhaps I could have used "This article can be put back online". Anyway sorry if there was any ambiguity, and thanks again for your feedback.
Axblt58 (talk) 07:27, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
- Not sure it is enough to satisfy WP:NOTE at this point in time. -- Cirt (talk) 13:26, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
James Baar Deletion
http://en.wikipedia.org/James_Baar
I hope this is the right place to put this. I'm writing hoping you might reconsider your deletion of James Baar's bio.
Note: James Baar is a prolific published author. With regard to references (I thought the rule was you only needed one), his biography includes 7 books with their ISBN numbers. The deleted page also included a link to an article referencing him in the Providence Journal.
Also note: "But Wait there's More"
Lastly, note the page reference in Who’s Who and extensive references in O’Dwyer’s Directories.
I hope you reconsider.
Sincerely,
Brian Connolly bconnolly@furthermore.com Bdconnolly (talk)
- Done, relisted, Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2010 July 28. -- Cirt (talk) 13:28, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
please bring back Chad Lewis Paranormal Investigator
Hi Cirt,
I am a UW-Eau Claire college student who is studying the parapsychology. I am doing a report on Mr. Lewis for my psychology project. Being that I did contribute some of the page after I saw a Mr. Lewis lecture I am saddened to see it deleted.
I did read the deletion file and found that some of the information was inaccurate including the fact that Mr. Lewis was on Coast to Coast three times.
I also saw on his website there are hundreds of newspaper articles containing his work. And a quick glance shows he is speaking nearly 100 times a year at universities and libraries. A ccording to his bio he was also featured on the Discovery Channel’s A Haunting and ABC’s World’s Scariest Places.
Here is WI we view Mr. Lewis as a well-known world traveler and investigator. I believe that not only did he publish his own books, but he started his own publishing company with another gentleman and they currently have published several other authors.
As you can tell my report on him is getting pretty detailed, and I would love to see his page get reinstated. I would even be willing to add the necessary citations that may have been lacking.
If you have any questions please feel free to email me. Thanks for your time. Jack Oneil jackoneiloil@yahoo.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pat evens (talk • contribs) 00:32, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
- If you wish, I could provide a copy of the article in your userspace, so you could work on a proposed draft version, in order to assess WP:NOTE. -- Cirt (talk) 13:30, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Dubai property BLP issues
An account Dubaiguy1 (talk · contribs · count) (also under investigation at English Wikinews) has re-created previously deleted articles:
Could you take a look please?
--InfantGorilla (talk) 11:36, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
- One was deleted, sent the other one to AFD for community to assess. -- Cirt (talk) 13:32, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Deletion of NX Nastran Page
I would like to help get the NX Nastran page in shape so that it meets all of the notability requirements and avoids the advertising issues for which it was deleted. To be clear (as it says on my user page) I am employed by Siemens so I am not going to recreate the page directly. I see two possible paths to get a better page created:
- create one in my userspace and then get someone (who?) to look at it and create the page from it
- contact the users who felt the page was valuable when it was being considered for deletion and see if they are interested in starting a new page (if this is preferred can you provide me with their user pages so I can contact them as I can't seem to get to the discussion page for deletion anymore).
Can you advise on which approach is preferred or if there is another that I didn't consider? Thanks in advance.Aakelley (talk) 18:56, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
- Good idea, feel free to work on a proposed draft version within a subpage of your userspace, in order to assess WP:NOTE. -- Cirt (talk) 13:33, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Your comment on my Talk Page
Cirt, I think we both know that the only reason you showed up on my talk page complaining about unsourced BLP information being added to an article within about two minutes of me adding it, and while I was still editing, is that it is pertinent to an . I am sure what you would normally do is ask for a reference of help find one, as the information is uncontroversial and clearly true. Now that I am done editing you will find a reference in the body of the article. The reference is to the restaurant's own website, which clearly meets WP:SELFPUB criteria for information of this kind. (talk) 17:24, 30 July 2010 (UTC)KD Tries Again
- I started a section at the article talk page to discuss it, at Talk:Daryl Wine Bar and Restaurant. -- Cirt (talk) 17:25, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
- Cirt, this is most unlike you as far as I know. The restaurant has obviously changed chefs. Their website says so, their Facebook page says so. Nothing to be done about that. I have now used their Facebook page as the reference, which passes WP:SELFPUB for information of this kind.KD Tries Again (talk) 17:46, 30 July 2010 (UTC)KD Tries Again
- Responded, at the article's talk page. -- Cirt (talk) 17:49, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
- Cirt, with all due respect, the way in which WP:V are interpreted by the community can't make it the case that Charles Howlett is not the chef at Daryl. Either he is or he isn't, and the owners of the restaurant clearly think he is.KD Tries Again (talk) 18:38, 30 July 2010 (UTC)KD Tries Again
- The standard on Misplaced Pages is verifiability WP:V to reliable sources WP:RS. -- Cirt (talk) 18:39, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
- We both know that. But it's not a good reason to try to keep information which is both true and uncontroversial out of the article. The Facebook page might be the best available reference for information which clearly improves the article. It seems perverse to be going out of our way to preserve the information about Hernandez which is clearly out of date.KD Tries Again (talk) 18:48, 30 July 2010 (UTC)KD Tries Again
- The standard on Misplaced Pages is verifiability WP:V to reliable sources WP:RS. -- Cirt (talk) 18:39, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
- Cirt, with all due respect, the way in which WP:V are interpreted by the community can't make it the case that Charles Howlett is not the chef at Daryl. Either he is or he isn't, and the owners of the restaurant clearly think he is.KD Tries Again (talk) 18:38, 30 July 2010 (UTC)KD Tries Again
- Responded, at the article's talk page. -- Cirt (talk) 17:49, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
- Cirt, this is most unlike you as far as I know. The restaurant has obviously changed chefs. Their website says so, their Facebook page says so. Nothing to be done about that. I have now used their Facebook page as the reference, which passes WP:SELFPUB for information of this kind.KD Tries Again (talk) 17:46, 30 July 2010 (UTC)KD Tries Again
- Cirt, taking KD Tries Again to AN/I over this issue was massive overkill. Dragging someone to the dramahboard over a simple content dispute like this is not good practice, and you should know better. You need to get some perspective. Fences&Windows 12:35, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
WP:CANVASS
Cirt the comments you left to User:GRuban and User:Morenooso violate WP:CANVASS on this points specifically regarding unacceptable behavior -- "Posting messages to groups of users selected on the basis of their known opinions – for example, sending notifications only to those who supported a particular viewpoint in a previous discussion, or who state on their user page (e.g. through a userbox or user category) that they hold a particular opinion ("votestacking")". Please do not try to influence the discussion in this way in the future. I hope both of those users realize that if they now do comment your canvass has been successful. Hopefully your warning to them prevents them from doing so.Griswaldo (talk) 17:32, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you for acknowledging that: 1) I posted to a total of two (2) users. 2) I commented to them stating I am not asking them to comment at WP:RSN. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 17:33, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
- Comment - If anyone is over reacting it's Griswaldo. I didn't appreciate his visit to my talkpage aa I participated in the AfD. In fact, as per a post to another admin's page, I saw Cirt's post on
hismy talkpage and thought about them on my way to an appointment and over lunch as I fully intended to reply here. I'm a big boy and can make up my own mind. ----moreno oso (talk) 18:28, 30 July 2010 (UTC)- Thank you. -- Cirt (talk) 18:30, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
- Moreno no one thinks your not a big boy who can make up your own mind. But how does that change the fact that Cirt violated WP:CANVASS? Your decision to comment at the RS/N or not to comment at the RS/N is yours to make with no reflection on you. No one disputes this. That decision also does not alter the fact that Cirt canvassed you. If you chose not to comment it might lessen the effects of Cirt's canvass, which is better for him (hence my previous comment), but in the end he did what he did. There is no changing that either way, so yeah you're right. Comment away.Griswaldo (talk) 18:56, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
- Wrongo all the way. ----moreno oso (talk) 19:04, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Daryl Wine Bar and Restaurant
Cirt, normally I don't come off my talkpage when someone posts there but I did not want you to miss what I am going to post here and I wanted you to see it as soon as possible. As per my post above, I saw your posts on my talkpage as I was leaving to an appointment and thought about them at lunch. I will now post my most salient thoughts here.
Without looking at the AfD, I am now going to address those points with and on my honor:
- Re the New York Times and being regional: this is a common comment here on Misplaced Pages. Depending on whose axe is being gorged, it can either be positive or negative. Like the LA Times, SF Chronicle and even the Sacramento Bee, which are all papers I am familiar with, their media footprint is huge and overlaps many media markets/cities/counties. In fact, the LA Times specifically has copies for different counties and both it and the Chronicle are easily found in the Sacramento Valley region. The Bee is more a player in the Central Valley (California). How this plays into the AfD is that geographically NY and NY are contigous and some editors might feel that the NY Times regularly covers NJ events, news and even restaurants.
- I came to the AfD because of a post on Jimbo's talkpage. I follow and protect the page. Quite honestly I was amazed to see a restaurant getting ripped at an AfD like this. There is no way Daryl Wine Bar and Restaurant is a promotional piece. It is no different than any other article that has WP:RS citations backing the article. While WP:OTHERSTUFF applies, I bet Spago's article would never be considered promotional. Ditto for any fine restaurant. And, if Carls Jr etal can be here, who do you cut out?
- Another thing that disturbed me at the AfD was Jimbo's comment about religion. Typically he is the first one to dismiss a comment like that when it appears inre a complaint on his talkpage. If he felt the editor in question (I think it was you) had a COI, he should have addressed the issue here and not in the debate.
- One of the better comments in the AfD countered the comment that reviews were not like papers or journals commenting on scholars. The next editor rebuffed that saying reviews were just as WP:RS reliable press. A reporter is reporter and it doesn't matter what beat or section it covers. In a pinch like the Loma Prieta earthquake here in California one of the local California grocer talkboys had a mike and camera making onsite reports. Was his reporting any less efficient or dismissed? No. Now, it would be another matter to have a paid reviewer or someone given a free lunch by a restaurant to have that review dismissed. Any decent newspaper with editorial oversight is not going to let a promotional piece fly in the daily rag either.
- What this AfD will come down to is not the iVotes but who best cites policy in making the case for Keep or Delete. Horatio at the bridge comments or posts will not aid either side. I'd recommend well thought comments/replies and even wrote down mine that I will make later. First, they should be copyeditted, then copyeditted again and then boiled down to the most concise salient post that cites policy.
- There is another policy that applies to debates where consensus is difficult to achieve or that is not apparent. I made it about a month ago in an AfD and need to look it up again as my mind is on some event's I have going on this weekend and court duty next week.
- Finally, I thank you for coming to my talkpage. I had actually thought about some of these points earlier. I wondered to myself who would be the best person to make the points available to the debate. On the one issue with Jimbo, if you have his email, I would send him one about that. It was totally uncalled for. I know there is relatively no privacy on any private talkpage much less an article talkpage but AfD debates are not the place for potential WP:NPA remarks. ----moreno oso (talk) 19:10, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not 100% sure what Moreno oso is referring to here, about me making a comment about religion. I didn't make any comment about religion. I did note, and I do think it is relevant, that this restaurant has a connection to Scientology, and Scientology *as a subject matter* is one that Cirt has taken a keen interest in. I think that's highly relevant to understanding the reason why we have an article about a completely non-notable completely ordinary wine bar and restaurant. That isn't a comment about religion - it's a comment about areas of interest in editing.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 19:16, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
- I just saw Jimbo's post here and may owe you a slight apology. I just referred back to the AfD. You made the Scientology comment twice. One in rebuffing another editor's Delete iVote. I had not noticed that one as it is slightly buried. BUT, in the one that did catch my attention was your Delete iVote, Jimbo. Your words seem to condemn the original creator as well Cirt. ----moreno oso (talk) 19:33, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
- BTW Jimbo, the relationship of Scientology and the restaurant is ad hominem reasoning. It would be one thing to perhaps cite it inre the debate but to connect to two editors in the iVote Delete comments is over-reaching. That would be like citing me for editting bear articles. Yeah, my chosen username means bear and I have an affinity for bears due to a flame in my life but it's a real stretch. ----moreno oso (talk) 19:43, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
- I just saw Jimbo's post here and may owe you a slight apology. I just referred back to the AfD. You made the Scientology comment twice. One in rebuffing another editor's Delete iVote. I had not noticed that one as it is slightly buried. BUT, in the one that did catch my attention was your Delete iVote, Jimbo. Your words seem to condemn the original creator as well Cirt. ----moreno oso (talk) 19:33, 30 July 2010 (UTC)