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Articles created/expanded on November 6

Nasrani Hagbah

• ... that the Nasrani Hagbah of the Syrian Malabar Nasrani people in Kerala South India consists of the unveiling of red curtain separating the holy of holies in the tradition of the ancient temple of Jerusalem?

Created by Robin klein (talk). Self nom at 11:25, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

• Multiple issues. Hook contains multiple facts that are not in the article (article makes no mention of the Syrian Malabar Nasrani being from India and also makes no reference to the Temple in Jerusalem). There are also multiple unsourced sections that need to be properly referenced. --Allen3  13:14, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

• Thanks for the response. I have tried to address the issues raised. Hope the changes address the requirements. Robin klein (talk) 15:58, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

• Article now sources the hook information, and the information in several other sections to Deuteronomy 4:44. Even if you argue this text was heavily edited during the Babylonian captivity (many Jewish texts show signs of potential modification during this period), there is no way that a text written no later than the 6th century BC could document the practices of a group established no earlier than the 1st century AD. --Allen3  16:08, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

• I have given reference to the East Syrian rite from the Catholic Encyclopedia. Robin klein (talk) 03:51, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

• There are more sources now (AGF on the hook sources), and the article now mentions the Temple of Jerusalem, as well as the geographic location of the Malabar Nasrani. However, it is not clear in the article what "Nasrani Hagbah" is (the lead section and "The tradition" section seem inconsistent) and I can't escape the impression that the hook fact is clearer on this point than the article is. --Orlady (talk) 05:09, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

• May be there could be alternative hook to resolve this

(ALT2:

• ... that the Nasrani Hagbah of the Syrian Malabar Nasrani people in Kerala South India consists of the raising of the bible to the congregation gathered for the Kurbana and unveiling of red curtain separating the holy of holies in the tradition of the ancient temple of Jerusalem? ----

hope this works Robin klein (talk) 07:58, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 7

2001 NBDL Supplemental Draft

• ... that Kaniel Dickens was the only All-Star to come out of the 2001 NBDL Supplemental Draft?

Created by Jrcla2 (talk). Self nom at 04:40, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

• Referencing issue... the article states Among them, Kaniel Dickens later became an NBA Development League All-Star after the annual contest began in 2007. No other players in the NBDL Supplemental Draft were ever selected as D-League All-Stars. Reference (2) confirms Kaniel's selection as an All-Star. Kaniel's selection in the draft is shown in the draft table, but that table is not referenced, and it should be. Not sure what reference (3) adds, as Kaniel Dickens doesn't seem to be mentioned. So, leaving everything else aside, the hook needs to be properly referenced. I'll check the rest now. EdChem (talk) 12:33, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
• Length ok, date is our fault so ignore (IAR), no reference in the first paragaph or table of draft results - needs fixing. CorenSearchBot shows no copyright issues, no obvious evidence of a copyvio issue, so everything is ok. EdChem (talk) 12:40, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

2001 NBDL Draft, 2006 NBA Development League Expansion Draft, 2001 NBDL Supplemental Draft

• ... that four players selected in both the 2001 NBDL Draft and 2006 NBA Development League Expansion Draft had also previously been picked in NBA Drafts?

Created by Jrcla2 (talk). Self nom at 04:17, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• I have had a look at this. My two issues are (1) that the hook does not make sense to me and (2) it feels like random facts joined for no reason I can fathom. At first, I wondered about the four players mentioned being the same four players for both 2001 and 2006 drafts, but it seems not to be the case. If I am understanding correctly, the hook is saying that:

• there were four players (A, B, C, and D) selected in the 2001 NBDL Draft who were previously selected in an NBA Draft;
• there were four players (W, X, Y, and Z) selected in the 2006 NBA Development League Expansion Draft who were previously selected in an NBA Draft; and,
• Kaniel Dickens (who is not A, B, C, D, W, X, Y, or Z) was the only All-Star to come out of the 2001 NBDL Supplemental Draft

These three facts are joined in a hook. Am I misunderstanding? Do we need a different hook, and what is the feeling on the interestingness of this information? EdChem (talk) 12:35, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Comment. I admit that there is no direct correlation with any of these articles (with respect to being in the same hook). The reason I included them all in one hook is because I made them all during a two-day span and did not want to "junk up" three separate DYK noms for relatively similar articles. It was more to save DYK space than anything. If you prefer, I can nominate them all individually. Jrcla2 (talk) 21:16, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

The first two make sense together, while the last one just seems like a random fact. I suggest you split the third one into its own hook. ~EDDY ~ 01:22, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm doing that. I've removed the portion of the hook involving 2001 NBDL Supplemental Draft and made it its own hook. Jrcla2 (talk) 04:40, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

• (ALT1) ... that in each of the 2001 NBDL and 2006 NBA Development League Expansion drafts, there were four players selected who had previously been chosen in NBA Drafts?

Firstly, proposing ALT1 as a clearer hook. Second, I'll look into the rest of the DYK requirements (references, etc). I appreciate the nominators effort in combining hooks, but I don't think it worked in this case. Given the length of time it took for anyone to look at this hook, I think the interestingness issue should be shelved, and we should get these approved ASAP. EdChem (talk) 12:17, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

I've addressed the reference issues, length etc check out, CorenSearchBot check run, double article hook ready. EdChem (talk) 13:44, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 9

Action for Rural Rejuvenation

• ... that the city of Columbus, Ohio felicitated Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev, for the social programs and activities conducted by Action for Rural Rejuvenation?

Created by Regstuff (talk). Self nom at 09:02, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

• Not enough/varied sources are provided, other than The Hindu, to prove the notability of this subject. The word "felicitated", lifted directly from The Hindu, makes me wonder how much else is copied from the organization's website or the newspaper. Yoninah (talk) 17:32, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

• I have primarily referenced only The Hindu because firstly it is a very reputable paper in India and secondly they have one of the most comprehensive online archives I've seen. Considering that it is a well respected and well established news source I believe that references to The Hindu are enough to establish notability. There are multiple offline references available which refer to English newspapers other than The Hindu as well as vernacular newspapers. If you feel that they would be more appropriate, I can cite them. Also the word "felicitated" is very appropriate in this context and conveys the fact that there was a ceremony involving both parties and the handing over of a memento etc. I don't think any other words like "commendation" or "honour" convey the same. If you can come up with any appropriate replacements for the word please do suggest. I will make the relevant changes. As for plagiarism, please do go through the article and the citations to convince yourself that no portion of the article is lifted from anywhere. Thanks. Regstuff (talk) 03:47, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

• Thank you for your reply. Please read WP:GNG, especially footnote 3. In order to be considered notable on Misplaced Pages, a subject must receive widespread coverage. It would be better to quote other newspapers, and even offline sources, alongside The Hindu. Regarding the wording of the hook and the article, it's best to paraphrase everything rather than quote it directly. That it, it would be better to write "a ceremony was held in which the AAR received a plaque from the City of Chicago" rather than to pack it all into one word (and an abstruse word at that), "felicitated". Yoninah (talk) 16:50, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

• With respect to the proposed hook, since the hook fact describes an official action by the local government of the city of Columbus, Ohio, I would not be comfortable calling it "verified" based solely on sources in India, which is on the other side of the world from Columbus. I would want to see some indication that a reliable source in the United States (ideally, someone in Ohio) confirmed this fact. I have found U.S. sources indicating that Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev has conducted teaching seminars in Columbus, but the only sources that tell of his honor by the city government are (1) his Isha organization and (2) The Hindu, which is likely to have based its story on a press release from the Isha organization. A feature of this hook that makes me particularly dubious is the use of the verb "felicitate." I am a native speaker of American English with several decades of experience speaking and reading the language, and I have no recollection of this word being used as a transitive verb. That makes it hard for me to believe that a city government in Ohio makes an official practice of "felicitating" people or of conducting "Felicitation Ceremonies". (I am familiar with "felicitations" as a noun meaning "happy greetings" or "congratulations.") My best guess is that this is an Indian English description of something that the city of Columbus might have described as a "proclamation in honor of Vasudev". The use of English wording that would not be recognizable by people in Ohio makes the entire hook dubious for me. --Orlady (talk) 03:43, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 10

First-tier Tribunal

• ... that the First-tier Tribunal in the United Kingdom hears cases on such diverse subjects as freedom of information, war pensions and operating licences for gambling companies?

Created by Dmvward (talk). Self nom at 00:09, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT: ... that the First-tier and Upper Tribunals in the United Kingdom hears cases on such diverse subjects as freedom of information, war pensions and operating licences for gambling companies?

Comment: Alternative hook as the two tribunals, and thus the two articles, are closely related. DavidWard 23:42, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• Date, length of both articles OK. Hook ref verified in the First-tier Tribunal article. However, I don't see the hook information in the Upper Tribunal article at all, and I'm also having trouble clarifying the connection between the two tribunals. Are you sure you want them in the same ALT1 hook? Yoninah (talk) 19:43, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

• The Upper Tribunal hears appeals from the First-tier Tribunal, and so potentially any of the cases of the types mentioned in the hook could be heard in the Upper Tribunal on appeal. But I accept that its not as clear in that article as in the First-tier article, and I don't want to repeat the whole list of topics from the First-tier article in the Upper Tribunal article, so I'm happy to go with the original hook. DavidWard 12:42, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
• Original hook good to go. Now could you please supply a different, sourced hook for Upper Tribunal, which is also a new article? Yoninah (talk) 18:19, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Upper Tribunal

• ... that the Upper Tribunal, which can set precedent and enforce its decisions without intervention from the High Court of England and Wales, is the first UK tribunal with the power of judicial review?

Created by Dmvward (talk). Self nom at 13:40, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

• This article was originally nominated as part of a double hook on 12 November 2010, and separated into its own hook as suggested by this reviewer. Date, length, hook ref verified. Tweaked hook and it's good to go. Yoninah (talk) 15:26, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 11

Homosexuals Anonymous

• ... that Homosexuals Anonymous is a Twelve-step program which has fourteen steps?

Created by Lionelt (talk). Nominated by Cannibaloki (talk) at 14:22, 15 November 2010 (UTC) 5x expansion by EdChem (talk) 03:21, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Note. The lead hook changed whilst I was making the alt below. The approval below does not include the present lead hook which I have not checked.

Note: the confusion stemmed from duplicate nomination of the same article. I have boldly merged the nominations to this single entry. - Dravecky (talk) 13:07, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

• (alt)... that Homosexuals Anonymous relies on belief in Christ to effect a sexual orientation change?

The article and ref mention Christ. Ive said "Christ" but I guess "Jesus Christ" may be more accurate so Ive piped it. That said fine with me. Victuallers (talk) 12:21, 16 November 2010 (UTC)Victuallers (talk) 12:13, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

False positive, I nominated it first! See below...--Cannibaloki 12:27, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

This is not an encyclopedic article as it does not present a balanced perspective. No reputable medical organisation endorses this type of attempt to "change" sexuality, the evidence in the scientific and medical literature is conclusive about the ineffectiveness of these sorts of programs, and the damage done by conversion therapy is well documented. I will post a request at the LGBT WikiProject for assistance, maybe the article can be turned into something balanced. As for the hook, it does a dis-service to genuine and effectie twelve step programs like AA and NA to compare them with conversion therapy and linking them to the ex-gay movement. EdChem (talk) 13:03, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

I have posted notifications at WikiProject LGBT Studies, WikiProject Psychology, and WikiProject Religion for comments on the article and the nomination. These strike me as the three projects most likely to have editors with relevant knowledge / expertise. EdChem (talk) 13:29, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Author here... HA uses a process similar to AA, not conversion therapy. There's nothing to balance: conversion therapy has no bearing on this article. The "DYK?no" is misplaced. Lionel (talk) 00:09, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

@Ed, good call to solicit additional eyes on this. @Lionel, you may be able to alleviate some balance concerns by using more from the Advocate reference that's in there already. If HA passes WP:ORG, it's most likely on the basis of other groups' criticism of its aims and effectiveness, so I wouldn't be shy about including that criticism. As a style issue, "freedom from homosexuality" in the lead paragraph quote needs to be unlinked per WP:MOSQUOTE. 28bytes (talk) 04:57, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Its an article about an organisation who believe faith can change things. It would be good to include some criticism, but lets not forget that our readers are intelligent. If there was a scientific basis for what they were doing then they wouldnt require faith in the process. Is it a GA article? - no it isnt. Anyway I'll leave it to you guys to decide its fate and to improve it. I think it does try to be balanced. For instance it notes that the founder of the organisation had to be thrown out when it was fround out that he was having sexual encounters with other people on "his" plan.... that undermines I think any claims to be a one sided article. Victuallers (talk) 09:16, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

I oppose the alt hook because of the false implication that they can "effect" such a change. Follow the link in that hook to confirm that EdChem is correct about the scientific community refuting such claims. Agolib 23:09, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

"relies on belief" = able to effect a change ??? really?.. its a very very faint implication (that I agree may be spotted/believed by some.) (Most of the halloween articles went out without a long section about the scientific community not believing in trick or treat.) This is an organisation based on belief. Science does not support belief. Nearly everyone knows that. I would have thought most scientists would have better things to dp then say they don't support unscientific things. What is it about this subject? Its had too much of my time Victuallers (talk) 15:40, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

I think the critics are being a little oversensitive on this one. The last line of the article reads None of these men reported any change in sexual orientation as aconsequence of HA, and all but two reported having sex with Cook. One could hardly imagine a stronger disendorsement than that. Gatoclass (talk) 15:44, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Gatoclass, I added that information and reference, fyi. The "Effectiveness" section used to read "As with twelve-step programs in general, and with AA in particular, it is difficult to determine the success rate of the program due to the high attrition rate. However, the organization cites several cases where people have changed their sexual orientation." EdChem (talk) 16:54, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Update: a substantial redrafted (and expanded) article has been posted. I think it is main page worthy, but I'm also involved / biased. I suggest a more interesting hook might be:

• (ALT2) ... that in interviews with 14 men who had been through the Homosexuals Anonymous ex-gay program, 12 reported having had homosexual sex with the organization's founder?

I know it is not flattering for HA, but I think it's much more hooky. EdChem (talk) 16:54, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

That one might be a big too negative. Definitely hooky, though. Perhaps something like:

• (ALT3) ... that counseling sessions in the Homosexuals Anonymous ex-gay program involved nude massages, intended to desensitize clients to male–male contact?
  

That may or may not be more negative, but it's less obviously about the founder, at least. Perhaps I'm overly paranoid about BLP issues. At any rate, the article looks much better now thanks in part to Ed's work on it, and it will probably be good to go once the dispute tags are removed. 28bytes (talk) 19:51, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

ALT3 is problematic (IMO) as it is not clear that these nude masages were sanctioned as part of HA counseling, yet the hook implies that they are a routine part of HA counseling sessions - which I doubt is true. As an alternative to ALT2, how about:

• (ALT4) ... that in interviews with 14 men who had been through the Homosexuals Anonymous ex-gay program, 12 reported having had homosexual sex with their counselor?

This version isn't overtly about Cook. Incidentally, my changes to the article are nearly a x5 expansion (the version as at my first edit was 1940 characters, article is presently 9385 characters). If it goes past a x5, is it reasonable for me to ask for a DYK credit? EdChem (talk) 23:27, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

I was actually thinking about asking you if you wanted a credit. IMO, you've already done enough work on this article to merit it. I've added a DYKmake to that effect. I still like my hook better, though. 28bytes (talk) 23:33, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

The neutrality tag has been removed. The question of an appropriate hook remains open. I am COI, so can't act beyong making suggestions. ALT3 needs redrafting to be appropriate, IMO. I favour ALT4, obviously. Other suggestions welcome. EdChem (talk) 14:40, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm not happy with the BLP implications of the hooks regarding sexual activity as it's not clear to me these allegations were ever proven. I also have a few concerns with some related text in the article. I may have approved ALT3 but now I see someone has a problem with that. So at this stage, I would say we are still looking for a viable hook. Gatoclass (talk) 15:03, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

How about this:

• (ALT5) ... that the ex-gay group Homosexuals Anonymous practices conversion therapy, a controversial technique intended to change sexual orientation?

It's sort of a vanilla hook, but I'm not sure what else we could go with that would be more hooky without either excessively bashing the group or bringing the founder's indiscretions into play. FWIW, I think the topic alone will draw plenty of clicks regardless of the hook. 28bytes (talk) 17:01, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Fort Santa Cruz, Oran

• ... that a chapel near Fort Santa Cruz, Oran (pictured) is the site of a pilgrimage every Ascension Day?

Created by Nvvchar (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 17:44, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• Img added.-- N.V.V. Char . 01:07, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

  Date and length are Ok, but I am not happy with the hook (rather dull), and can't find its support - ref. 2 is 120 years old. Materialscientist (talk) 11:43, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

• I have tried to find catchy alternative hook. I can't find one. You could probably suggest one.-- N.V.V. Char . 09:32, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

• How about this Alt Hook ... that Fort Santa Cruz, Oran was built between 1577 and 1604 by the Spaniards on the Pic d’Aidour above the Gulf of Oran of the Mediterranean Sea in Algeria? -- N.V.V. Char . 09:20, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

• How about:
• ALT2: ... that despite its strategic location and heavy fortifications — including thick and continuous walls dug into the hillside and strong towers — Fort Santa Cruz (pictured) in Oran, Algeria, was repeatedly attacked? Yoninah (talk) 20:06, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

• Thanks. It reads nice.-- N.V.V. Char . 02:12, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

  nearly all forts were built in strategic locations, had thick walls and had been attacked. Sorry, I should propose something myself instead of criticizing, but given the recent criticism on non-appealing hooks, I won't pass this one. Materialscientist (talk) 02:17, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT3: ... that in defying Spanish dominance, locals built a chapel at a higher elevation next to Fort Santa Cruz (pictured) in Oran, Algeria?
• Awkwardly scrambled an idea (ref.). Please tweak where necessary. 02:28, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

• OK.-- N.V.V. Char . 03:54, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT3 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 15:32, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Cheshire, Connecticut, home invasion murders

• ... that the Cheshire, Connecticut, home invasion murders has been referred to as "possibly the most widely publicized crime in the state's history"?

--BabbaQ (talk) 18:07, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• I've got a little shy of 5x dating back to November 6. Could someone else double check? Grsz 07:06, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• Yes, about 1,000 characters shy. - PM800 (talk) 07:27, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• Length is OK now, and I checked the hook fact sourcing, which is good. Hook working is awkward, though. Suggested rewording of hook:

• ALT1 ... that the 2007 home invasion murders in Cheshire, Connecticut, have been called "possibly the most widely publicized crime in the state's history"?

Although the hook fact source checks out, the subsection entitled "Other reactions" needs a source citation before this goes to the main page. --Orlady (talk) 22:34, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Since my earlier comment, editing has slightly reduced the prose length of the article. Also, the "Other reactions" section has been renamed to "Debate on capital punishment," but it is still completely unsourced. That needs to be fixed. --Orlady (talk) 05:19, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Loyal Parliament

• ... that the Loyal Parliament of 1685 put high taxes on sugar and tobacco?

Created by Moonraker2 (talk). Self nom at 06:25, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• Pretty ordinary hook. Surely there's something more interesting to be said about it - for example that it was prevented from reconvening by James II? Gatoclass (talk) 06:04, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

• Alt 1 ... that James II prevented the Loyal Parliament of 1685 from meeting by repeatedly proroguing it between November 1685 and its dissolution in July 1687?

Moonraker2 (talk) 10:01, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

• Suggested alt ALT2: ... that although the Loyal Parliament was named for its loyalty to James II, the King distrusted it so much he prevented it from meeting after 1685? Gatoclass (talk) 03:45, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

That's getting better. I'm not quite sure trust is the pivotal point? Perhaps just...

• ALT3: ... that although the Loyal Parliament was named for its loyalty to James II, the king prevented it from meeting after 1685? Moonraker2 (talk) 04:15, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

• I think ALT3 is the best of these hooks, so I didn't bother to review the others. Lengths and dates are OK, but I can't find where the article contains a sourced statement that the parliament was named for its loyalty to the king. That should be pretty easy to fix. (I verified the citation indicating that he prevented it from meeting after 1685.) --Orlady (talk) 22:44, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT4: ... that James II prevented the Loyal Parliament (the most loyal a Stewart ever had) from meeting after 1685?

Unhappily, the historians seem to treat the naming as self-evident, without nailing it down. This may do? Moonraker2 (talk) 05:08, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

That would make me unhappy, too. I looked for a "history for schoolchildren" text, but without lucky. However, the Cambridge Modern History has this on page 335 of volume 1: "...he obtained from his judges what he could not get from the most loyal Parliament on record". That's not perfect, but that kind of source, coupled with other history books that call it "the Loyal Parliament", would suffice for my needs as a reader. --Orlady (talk) 05:52, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

• Since we don't seem to be getting very far, I have approved ALT1 which is uncontroversial. Gatoclass (talk) 15:08, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 12

Ingeborg Moen Borgerud

• ... that Ingeborg Borgerud, former jurist for the Norwegian Confederation of Trade Unions, was lambasted by these unions some years later for a report about working environment?

Created by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 18:52, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

• This page is little more than a string of sentences, most of which begin with "She did" or "She was". I added a copyedit tag. The Norwegian names/titles should also be translated. Yoninah (talk) 19:55, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

• More importantly, both offline citations to the two facts in the hook are incomplete. The titles of the articles are there, and the dates, but not the publication titles. For an offline cite to be AGF, a full citation should be provided. - Tim1965 (talk) 02:40, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Dan Flores

• ... that historian Dan Flores has published Visions of the Big Sky: Painting and Photography in the Northern Rocky Mountain West, with focus on his adopted state of Montana?

ALT:... that historian Dan Flores wrote a study of the lesser known Red River Expedition, which set forth in 1806, as Lewis and Clark were returning to St. Louis?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 05:40, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• Neither of those hooks are really interesting; he just wrote something, and that's it? I couldn't locate any other good facts from the article, unfortunately. - PM800 (talk) 03:57, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

• Let's tweak that just a bit to make it more interesting... - Tim1965 (talk) 00:56, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

ALT2: - that historian Dan Flores wrote a study of the Red River Expedition, which set out for the American Southwest 1806 just as Lewis and Clark were returning from the Pacific Northwest?

Wasp Motorcycles

• ... that British company Wasp Motorcycles produces a special motorcycle sidecar designed for use by paraplegic motorcyclists?

Created by Thruxton (talk). Self nom at 20:08, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• The entire article is based on the company's website and what looks like a press release on another company's website. Do you have any secondary sources that show notability? Yoninah (talk) 20:03, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

• I can't find any sources to indicate WP:CORP is met - off to AfD we go I'm afraid. SmartSE (talk) 23:41, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Bunkers in Albania

• ... that 750,000 bunkers were built in Albania during its Communist period?

Created by Vinie007 (talk). Self nom at 14:43, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• Length is good and hook ref is alright as well, but the date of listing should be 12 November because the article was created then. I reworded the hook and verified it, tell me if it's okay :) — Toдor Boжinov — 16:27, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

• How closely did you look at this article? It is not fully cited (two paragraphs without citations), there are two different numbers given for the bunkers (700,000 and 750,000), the hook is wrong because I doubt exactly 750,000 were constructed, and there are no books listed in the bibliography. Ed  17:32, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

• Eh, not close enough, I suppose. Sorry, these things definitely have to be fixed. Thanks for noticing. — Toдor Boжinov — 12:54, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

• I've notified the author about these issues, please do that in the future. — Toдor Boжinov — 12:59, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

• Fixed --Vinie007 15:34, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

• Thanks Todor and sorry 'bout that Vinie. The article still has problems – two sections have no citations, there are still two numbers given (which is it, more than 700,000 or more than 750,000?), the book has no author listed (who is Olsen, who is Crampton), and there is no consistent citation style. I realize this isn't FAC or even GAN, but these are fundamental issues that need to be addressed before this article appears on the main page. Ed  20:05, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 13

Malian Family Code

• ... that the Malian Family Code was sent back to Parliament as a result of widespread public protests?

Created by Lihaas (talk). Self nom at 00:30, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

• Rule D7. Multiple sections tagged with {{expand section}} templates. --Allen3  13:18, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Only one now, it seems plausible now. but even this can be take out and merged, at least for temp. exposure.Lihaas (talk) 18:10, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Length, age and source are fine. I would suggest that the remaining {{expand section}} tag gets removed by merging the sentence with the subsequent section (which requires a copy edit). Once done, it's good to go. Note that I have capitalised "Parliament" in the hook; it's a proper noun, isn't it? Schwede66 17:50, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Armin Maiwald

• ... that Armin Maiwald, creator of the award-winning German children's television program, Die Sendung mit der Maus, was bombed out of three homes before he was three years old?

• ALT1:... that Armin Maiwald made a two-part award-winning short film about his childhood in post-World War II Germany?
• ALT2:... that award-winning German author, television director and producer Armin Maiwald has made children's film shorts that are used to teach at universities?

Created by Marrante (talk). Self nom at 23:38, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• I listened to a radio interview with Maiwald last night and got more precise information, so I have updated the article and now, the main hook with the correct age and tweaked it to make it read better. Sorry that most of the references are in German, but the story is very interesting. The video links are especially gripping. Marrante (talk) 16:13, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

• I have tweaked main and two alternate hooks. ...and now corrected my typo and signed the post. Marrante (talk) 23:04, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

• Date, length OK. Foreign-language hook ref AGF. How about something even more hooky:
• ALT3: ... that after Armin Maiwald produced an award-winning children's film depicting the grim aftermath of World War II in Germany, he said that he never wanted to see the film again? Yoninah (talk) 15:47, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Nice work - I watched the Mouse a lot as a kid, so this was a rather interesting read for me. What I couldn't see in the reference "Mensagespräch" is that the postwar mouse was an award winning film; did I miss that somehow? Marrante, can you please point us in the right direction? Once that is sorted, my preference is for ALT3. I've tidied the other hooks by removing the struck out parts. Schwede66 18:24, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Santa Isabel (supermarkets)

• ... that cashiers working in Cencosud's Chilean Santa Isabel wore diapers because they had to work non-stop 9 hour shifts, leading the company to be severely fined!? !Hemanetwork (talk) 06:09, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• The article doesn't mention that the company was fined as a result of the employees working non-stop for 9 hours or wearing diapers – the only mention of fines is to do with the issues in employing pregnant or attractive people. It also does not state where the store in question is. I suggest possibly taking out these bits as they don't seem integral to the hook. I'll leave it to someone else to verify the sources as they're in Spanish. If they check out ok, I suggest:

• ALT1: ... that cashiers working in one of Chile's Santa Isabel stores wore diapers because they had to work 9-hour shifts without bathroom breaks? matt (talk) 09:24, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

The alternative is fine, the sources in Spanish mention the fines but its not really that important.Hemanetwork (talk) 21:00, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• Date, length OK. Foreign-language ref AGF. But the bare URLs need to be formatted before this is ready to go. Yoninah (talk) 02:45, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

What do you mean bare urls?Hemanetwork (talk) 05:37, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

I formatted the first ref as an example. I didn't do all of them because they're in Spanish and I might miss something. Use the templates in WP:Citation templates and plug in the appropriate information on each citation. Yoninah (talk) 12:00, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Jean A. Stuntz

• ... that historian Jean A. Stuntz found that the Spanish legal system in Mexico and Texas gave much greater community property rights to women than were permitted in the original English colonies?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 02:46, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• length, sourcing and history for article and hook all check out. Alansohn (talk) 16:24, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Brain Games

• ... that it has been suggested to play the 1978 video-game Brain Games in order to increase memory retainment?

Created by Theornamentalist (talk). Self nom at 00:20, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• Hook is not grammatically correct English. It should read, "... that it has been suggested that playing the 1978 video game Brain Games increased memory retention? Now, whether or not this is even worthy of DYK, that's another question. Myself, I would rather know WHO has made this suggestion and perhaps also WHEN before even looking into the rest. Marrante (talk) 14:39, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT 1 - ... that it has been suggested that playing an Atari video-game may increase memory retention? - Theornamentalist (talk) 20:37, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

I was roundly chewed out for making a Wikilink like you have here with the link to Brain Games reading as "Atari video-game". I can't remember just what I'd done, but it was along that line and I was told I was breaking a rule about wikilinks. Aside from that, shouldn't a DYK actually have the name of the article in it? I imagine there's some sort of ruling on that somewhere. Marrante (talk) 00:44, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

"Piping" the name of the article in a hook is sometimes discouraged, but it's not unusual. See Misplaced Pages:Did you know/Hook. But I would like to suggest ALT2: ... that although the Atari video game Brain Games received an "F" grade from The Video Game Critic, it has been suggested that playing it may increase memory retention? --Metropolitan90 (talk) 05:38, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I've name-pipped before, sometimes the name can give it away. Although this should have been done before, I regret to say that upon looking at the reliable sources for video games, The Video Game Critic has not been resolved, so it's reliability is questionable. I am going to bring it up and hopefully resolve it today if enough input is generated. My feeling is that the letter grade assigned may not be useful, but their description of gameplay seems very sound, and since Atari games dont have many sites like this, that will probably be okay. I'll post here as soon as I hear back. - Theornamentalist (talk) 13:29, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I've made a page for The Video Game Critic; I'm open to any of the alternates. - Theornamentalist (talk) 00:18, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

How about a hook mentioning that the game was from the creator of Kaboom!? That might be a nice juxtaposition: memory retention vs. crazed bombers. 28bytes (talk) 16:47, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT 3 - that the programmer of the "Mad Bomber" also created a game that has been said to improve memory functionality? - Theornamentalist (talk) 17:27, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Percy Jewson

• ... that the British Member of Parliament Percy Jewson was chairman of the Lawn Tennis Association?

5x expanded by BrownHairedGirl (talk). Self nom at 01:08, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• Is it possible to say when he played tennis, and when he chaired the organization? Not sure if this is hooky/unusual either, but I bet others find it so. Geschichte (talk) 11:00, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

I could find no dates for his chairmanship of the LTA. I also agree that "minor politician chairs a nation sporting body" isn't brilliantly hooky, so I don't mind if this one is dropped. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:45, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

"...was elected in an unopposed by-election" is relatively unusual, I'd have thought - you could go with that. Shimgray | talk | 19:02, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Kadua

• ... that twenty-two of the species of flowering plants in the genus Kadua are endemic to the Hawaiian Islands?

Created by Usb10 (talk). Self nom at 15:53, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• Cited source is unclear, you need to provide an unambiguous source for the hook. Gatoclass (talk) 10:39, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 14

Swedes in Omaha, Nebraska

• ... that the Swedish population of Omaha, Nebraska was sufficient to support a Swedish language newspaper for several decades?

Created by Freechild (talk). Nominated by GaryColemanFan (talk) at 03:32, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

• Date, length OK. But several of the paragraphs and facts (like the church being the scene for the Oscar-nominated documentary) need to be supported by inline citations, and all the references need to be formatted. Yoninah (talk) 02:59, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

• I have to disagree respectfully. While the DYK rules call for verifiability, it is not as though the article is completely (or even mostly) unsourced. Plently of articles have been featured at DYK with less sourcing than this. As for mandatory citation templates, that is FA criteria, not DYK or even GA. I would appreciate a second look, although I'm certainly not going to fight over this. GaryColemanFan (talk) 05:48, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

• Please see Rules D2 and D3. Yoninah (talk) 12:33, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

• OK, I took care of D3 by formatting all the references, many of which were carelessly worded (e.g. authors' names) and which lacked ISBN numbers. It's very easy to look up a book on Google Books and get all the necessary information. I also looked up a few facts and added citations. Now all that's missing are references for the information in the Neighborhoods and Churches sections. Yoninah (talk) 13:34, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Yoninah, thank you again for your note on my talk page. First, please don't call my citations "careless" - I use the formerly acceptable method of citing WP articles, from when I began editing here. This has been completely unchallenged until now, which says something of your personal ethos towards DYK; I would think having more than 100 articles receive DYK would say something about the proficiency of my citation style. As I stated on my talk page, I volunteer to research, write, and edit articles on WP; I am not a coder, and as such, I refuse to use the overly-complex citation template currently in vogue. I trust the editor community to make up for my inadequacies, if they see fault in them. However, I do not think that personally attacking another editor's style is a sufficient way to go about creating community here. I hope you can see the value in having different citation styles, and that you consider the value of editors whose styles differ from your own. • Freechildtalk 17:07, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

David Dwight Baldwin

• ... that after a long career as an educator, David Dwight Baldwin published historic lists of Hawaiian land snails and liverworts?

Created by W Nowicki (talk). Self nom at 22:32, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1=... that David Dwight Baldwin was called "the Nestor of Hawaiian conchologists"?
• ALT2=... that educator David Dwight Baldwin also published pūpū papers?

Trying to be "interesting" but not too misleading nor obscure. ALT2 is a pun in the Hawaiian language: pūpū means "snail" but now applies to the popular appetizer, pu pu platter. W Nowicki (talk) 17:50, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

• Date, length OK. Offline refs AGF. I like all the hooks! I leave it to the administrator to decide. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 16:02, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Tanintharyi and Great Tenasserim River

• ... that the Great Tenasserim River is named after the town of Tenasserim, now known as Tanintharyi and that despite the region sharing the name of Tanintharyi, the largest town and capital is Dawei not Tanintharyi?

5x expanded by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk), Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 15:52, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Yuck, somebody please reword or find something better.♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:53, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

JFK in Ireland

• ... that JFK in Ireland, described as "one of the most highly anticipated literary events of the year", includes an account of a disagreement between John F. Kennedy and Éamon de Valera?

Created by Candlewicke (talk). Self nom at 02:43, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

• Length and creation date are okay. Hook is a bit problematic: the quote, although relayed by an RS, is from the publisher. I don't feel the publisher's promotional language should be used in the hook, or even used in the article due to NPOV. The Interior(Talk) 00:18, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

• The quote is from Eason & Son, a distribution and retail outfit; HarperCollins are Tubridy's publisher. The point, however, still stands. Ericoides (talk) 17:14, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

• Removed quote. --candle•wicke 01:27, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

• Sorry, but Bone #2 to pick with this article: it covers the launch, reception, and research for the book well, but doesn't offer much content about the book itself. It needs a synopsis of the book's contents to be informative. I guess, in short, what I mean is that this hot dog is all bun right now. Suggest adding an "Overview/Themes/Synopsis" section. There is a style guide for non-fiction books articles at WikiprojectBooks. The Interior(Talk) 02:17, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

• I added what I could find. I don't have access to the book itself. --candle•wicke 02:37, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

American Communications Association v. Douds

• ... that only six of the U.S. Supreme Court's nine justices participated in a 1950 anti-communist oath case?

Created by Tim1965 (talk). Self nom at 02:18, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

• Date, length OK. Offline hook ref AGF. Tweaked hook and it's good to go. Yoninah (talk) 16:12, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Bessie Tucker

• ... that American classic female blues singer Bessie Tucker's own song "Penitentiary," was about a subject matter not unknown to her?

Created by Derek R Bullamore (talk). Self nom at 00:30, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

• Seems like a pretty weak hook here. How about writing one about her limited recordings (24 and that of those, 7 are alternate takes? Also, there's some clean-up needed on the article. I fixed some of the punctuation, but the references need some work, too.

Marrante (talk) 01:12, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that American classic female blues singer Bessie Tucker's known recording history comprised just twenty-four tracks, seven of which were alternate takes?

• It seems just as weak (or strong) as the original hook to me, but who am I to judge. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 14:54, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

How about ALT2: ... that only one photograph survives of American classic female blues singer Bessie Tucker? Simply south (talk) 23:09, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Ummm, but who will be brave enough to facilitate the judgemental decision making ? - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 02:22, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

All-NBA Development League Team

• ... that Omar Cook and Will Conroy are the only two players to have been named to the All-NBA Development League Team three times?

Created by Jrcla2 (talk). Self nom at 23:02, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Simon Vallily

• ... that Commonwealth Games boxing gold medalist Simon Vallily was once a trainee at Middlesbrough Football Club?

Created by Notjamesbond (talk). Self nom at 19:47, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• Changed capitals. GiantSnowman 03:25, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

• The hook needs to clarify that he trained as a footballer, not merely that he trained somewhere, which would not be at all unusual. Gatoclass (talk) 11:03, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Hudson Greater Eight

• ... that the Hudson Motor Car Company was third in total U.S. sales targeting budget minded buyers, and also produced the Greater Eight, a premium line of cars during the Great Depression in 1931 and 1932?

5x expanded by CZmarlin (talk). Self nom at 18:20, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Changed "premium line of automobiles" to the simpler and shorter description of "...cars", to bring the character count (including spaces) down to 200. CZmarlin (talk) 18:33, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Hook is a bit unclear. When was Hudson third in sales? The article says 1925, but the hook would imply 1931-1932 - and the article says low sales were affecting Husdon in 1933? - The Bushranger _{Return fire} 05:33, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 15

Zygmunt Padlewski

• ... that in the aftermath of the unsuccessful January Uprising, Polish insurgent Zygmunt Padlewski was captured and executed by the Russian authorities?

Created by Wikited (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 17:35, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

• Date, length OK. Foreign-language hook ref AGF. Please format the references and then it will be ready to go. Yoninah (talk) 16:14, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

List of Boston Red Sox no-hitters, List of San Francisco Giants no-hitters, List of Los Angeles Dodgers no-hitters, List of Detroit Tigers no-hitters, List of Chicago Cubs no-hitters, List of Atlanta Braves no-hitters, List of Minnesota Twins no-hitters

• ... that in Major League Baseball, Hideo Nomo, Kent Mercker, Eric Milton, Justin Verlander, Jon Lester, Carlos Zambrano and Jonathan Sánchez pitched the most recent no-hitter for the Los Angeles Dodgers, Atlanta Braves, Minnesota Twins, Detroit Tigers, Boston Red Sox, Chicago Cubs and San Francisco Giants, respectively?

Created by BlueEarth (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 05:55, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

• I've revised the hook to include 7 lists. --PFHLai (talk) 01:11, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Alt1 ... that Nomo, Mercker, Milton, Verlander, Lester, Zambrano and Sánchez pitched the latest major league no-hitter for the Dodgers, Braves, Twins, Tigers, Red Sox, Cubs and Giants, respectively?

Alt. suggested by Moonraker2 (talk) 01:21, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Arne Bjørndal

• ... that Norwegian hardingfele fiddler Arne Bjørndal played in more than 600 weddings and gave more than 1,000 concerts?

Created by Oceanh (talk). Self nom at 23:53, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

• AGF verified. Gatoclass (talk) 15:12, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Marion Steam Shovel (Le Roy, New York)

• ... that the only surviving Marion Model 91 steam shovel (pictured), in Le Roy, New York, may have been used to dig the Panama Canal?

• Comment: Possibly a fivefold text expansion

5x expanded by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 21:17, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

• I'm willing to IAR on this one if it isn't quite 5x, as it's a significant expansion and nice work. AGF on the hook reference, it doesn't want to load for me. - The Bushranger _{Return fire} 05:48, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Bagyi Aung Soe

• ... that Bagyi Aung Soe, now recognized as one of Burma's most important modern artists, lived in poverty and was considered by some to be crazy?

Created by Aymatth2 (talk), with some help from Calliopejen1. Nominated by Calliopejen1 (talk) at 20:55, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

• A lot of the wording looks dangerously close to the sources, especially . --Mkativerata (talk) 07:41, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

• I don't see it. The facts are the same, of course. Any particular phrase? Aymatth2 (talk) 17:02, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

• One phrase is "His goal was for his paintings to reveal Buddhist truths, rather than being simple illustrations of episodes in the Buddha's lives or pictures of monks and pagodas. In his later years, in poverty and with failing health, he became increasingly obsessed with creating an artistic idiom that reflected the Buddhist laws of impermanence." The source says "He aspired for his paintings to be visual translations of Buddhist truths, not mere illustrations of episodes from the Buddha’s previous lives or pretty pictures of pagodas and monks." The wording is different, but in my view, not different enough. --Mkativerata (talk) 19:04, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

• The concept is important. I have changed this to: "He was not interested in simply illustrating events in the Buddha's lives, or in making conventional pictures of monks and pagodas. Instead, he tried to create pictures that revealed the truths of Buddhism. In his later years, in poverty and with failing health, he became increasingly obsessed with creating an artistic idiom that reflected the Buddhist laws of impermanence.". Does that work? Aymatth2 (talk) 20:07, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
• As suggested, replaced with a quote from the source. Aymatth2 (talk) 20:57, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

• Looks good, thanks. I'll leave it for someone else to give it the review, hook review, tick, etc (I'm off to work). --Mkativerata (talk) 21:07, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

2004 Iraq churches attacks

• ... that on August 1, 2004 five Christian churches were car-bombed in Iraq just a few minutes apart from each another?

Created by Mbz1 (talk). Self nom at 16:55, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

• Not with this hook. believed to be - we can't go around making accusations on the Main Page. Simon Burchell (talk) 12:21, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Prose text, date etc. all OK but needs a better hook. Simon Burchell (talk) 12:24, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

•  Done--Mbz1 (talk) 14:05, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, that's much better, but the hook fact needs to be in the article, and ref'd. Regards, Simon Burchell (talk) 14:10, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Well this source as well as some other say that "On Sunday, 1 August 2004, almost simultaneous attacks on four Christian churches in Baghdad and one in Mosul" (highlighted by me) . I did not want to use the exact wording, so I have changed as it is in a hook now. I've also changed the wording in the article and added a new reference. Hope it is OK now.--Mbz1 (talk) 15:16, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

OK, the BBC ref backs that up. All OK now. Simon Burchell (talk) 15:27, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Mbz keeps reverting back the passage "the exodus of Christians from Iraq has increased since the bombing.", which is not supported by any reference. --Soman (talk) 16:05, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

I've changed the wording, hope it is OK with you now.--Mbz1 (talk) 17:54, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Fact questioned above looks to be better referenced now. - The Bushranger _{Return fire} 05:49, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Forged composite

• ... that Lamborghini and Callaway Golf Company collaborated to produce forged composite, a composite material that is less dense and more durable than titanium?

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 22:52, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

• I'm not sure about the suitability of this, it's too much like an advert for me, and I'm not sure if this can be rectified. I'd like to see some more independent coverage of it, for example in scientific journals, to ensure that the claims by the companies are correct. SmartSE (talk) 14:50, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

• In terms of independent coverage there are several such WP:RS in the article. The article could stand alone just on those sources. I added many corporate details to expand the article technically.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:23, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

• I know, but those sources are basically adverts too. As it stands, the article is far too much like an advert for a $300 golf club and a concept car for my liking, that might just be so, I'd welcome other reviewers taking a look. SmartSE (talk) 15:21, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

South Sulawesi Campaign

• ... that Raymond Westerling attracted controversy for his role in the South Sulawesi Campaign during the Indonesian National Revolution?

5x created by Andykatib (talk). Self nom at 21:18, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Charles Town expedition

• ... that French privateer Pierre LeMoyne d'Iberville died in Havana, Cuba of yellow fever on July 8, 1706, while organizing the Charles Town expedition against present-day Charleston, South Carolina?

5x expanded by Magicpiano (talk). Self nom at 19:23, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

The Truth According to Misplaced Pages

• ... that Film Quarterly called the documentary The Truth According to Misplaced Pages "a sharp and wide-ranging overview of wiki-pistemology"?

• Comment: Expanded over 30 times. Compare before with after. Thank you.

5x expanded by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 18:17, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

• 5x expansion verified. Date, length OK. Offline hook ref AGF. Took out one of the minor links for readability. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 16:22, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

St John the Baptist's Church, Avon Dassett

• ... that St John the Baptist's Church, Avon Dassett, Warwickshire (pictured), built in 1868, contains a coffin lid inscribed with the effigy of a 13th-century tonsured deacon?

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 17:47, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

• Date, length, hook ref verified. Nice hook. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 16:24, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Jayakatwang

• ... that the Javanese king Jayakatwang was killed by the invading Mongol troops, originally sent to punish the previous ruler that he had overthrown?

created by Awewe (talk). Self nom at 22:43, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

This article is currently short of cites, we require a minimum of one citation per paragraph excluding the intro. Article could also use a copyedit for grammar. Gatoclass (talk) 07:29, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Indian People's Front

• ... that the October 1990 mass rally of the communist-led Indian People's Front in Patna was one of the largest demonstrations ever seen in the city?

5x expanded by Soman (talk). Self nom at 02:17, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

• 5x expansion verified. Date, length, hook ref all verified. I think the description of the 1994 rally is more graphic and, therefore, more hooky:
• ALT1: ... that in March 1994, the communist-led Indian People's Front rallied tens of thousands of bare-footed, starving workers, some of whom walked more than 100 kilometres (62 mi) to reach the venue? Yoninah (talk) 16:59, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

• I'm ok with that. --Soman (talk) 17:49, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 16

The Indian Stammering Association

• ... that The Indian Stammering Association work for estimated that 11 to 12 million people in India who stammer and Indian film Industry use stammer as humor and use for commercial purposes ?

Created by Jaiprakashsunda (talk). Nominated by Sachinvenga (talk) at 18:42, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Gustav August Munzer

• ... that Gustav August Munzer was the architect of the Laboe Naval Memorial (pictured)?

Created by Stone (talk). Self nom at 19:46, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

• Note: If you want the image to be used in DYK, it needs to appear in the article about Munzer. --Orlady (talk) 21:55, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Andreas Bloch

• ... that among the drawings by Andreas Bloch are caricatures in satirical magazines (sample pictured) and illustrations in Fridtjof Nansen's book on the Fram expedition?

5x expanded by Hauganm (talk), Oceanh (talk). Nominated by Oceanh (talk) at 14:56, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Albanian Revolt of 1910

• ... that after suppressing the Revolt of 1910, the Ottoman government prohibited publications written in the Albanian alphabet, and closed the Albanian schools?

Created by Aigest (talk). Nominated by Sulmuesi (talk) at 23:35, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

John Stanley Booth

• ... that John Stanley Booth survived being wounded in the Battle of France and a tour of duty with Bomber Command, only to be killed when the aircraft he was flying struck a landing light?

Created by MilborneOne (talk). Nominated by The Bushranger (talk) at 05:05, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Black Carts Turret

• ... that Black Carts Turret Roman fortification (pictured), although connected to Hadrian's wall, was probably built before the wall itself?

Created by Chzz (talk). Self nom at 16:27, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Note, online copy of text to verify the fact presented above is here. Chzz  ►  16:10, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

• The image, although called Black carts turret, seems to only show a section of the wall at that location, is any of the turret visible on this photo? Mikenorton (talk) 10:11, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Sadly, no - or at least I can't find a free one, at this stage. So if you wish to skip the image, I quite understand. If I do find one, I'll of course let you know. I did find some non-free, and wrote to their authors seeking permission.  Chzz  ►  17:24, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Venues of the 1980 Winter Olympics

• ... that at the 1980 Winter Olympics in Lake Placid, New York, there were seperate bobsleigh and luge tracks used for competition?

Created by Miller17CU94 (talk). Self nom at 15:55, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

• I would suggest that the hook clarify why that is distinctive. How about ALT1: ... that unlike all later Winter Olympics, the venues of the 1980 Winter Olympics in Lake Placid, New York, included separate bobsleigh and luge tracks used for competition? --Metropolitan90 (talk) 05:26, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

• The alternate hook is the one to go with. Thanks. Chris (talk) 20:24, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

1887 Michigan Wolverines football team

• ... that the 1887 Michigan Wolverines football team (pictured) taught the members of the newly-formed Notre Dame team how to play the game of football?

5x expanded by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 02:27, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Zona Rosa

• ... that Zona Rosa is one of Mexico City's important tourist attractions despite being in decline since the 1980s?

5x expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 23:12, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

The Jimmy Durante Show

• ... that in 1955, Brazilian singer Carmen Miranda was felled by a heart attack on NBC's live broadcast of The Jimmy Durante Show and died later that night?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 20:09, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

• Date and length check out OK, but a couple problems. First, there are no in-line cites in the final paragraph. Second, I would delink "singer" in the hook. Third, the hook appears to be inaccurate. The hook states that Miranda was "felled by a heart attack" on live TV. That's not what the cited source indicates. The source does not say she suffered a heart attack during the show. Newspaper accounts of her death state that she went down on one knee during the Durante show, appeared winded, finished the show, went home, had dinner, and then "dropped dead of a heart attack" at 4 a.m. the next morning at her home. See, e.g., AP story. The AP account also indicates the show was being done for the following season (i.e., not a live show). Cbl62 (talk) 03:00, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

• In digging deeper, I found the Los Angeles Times article about her death. See here. It confirms that the Durante show was not a live show. It was being filmed to be shown later in anticipation of an impending TV actor's strike. It says that network executives were debating "whether the TV film would be shown or scrapped." Also, the LA Times article notes that Miranda felt good enough that she staged an impromptu performance for the crew after the last take and took several members of the cast and crew home for a party afterwards. The LA Times says her body wasn't discovered til 10:30 the next morning. The story of her collapsing of a heart attack on live TV appears to be apocryphal. It's a nice story, just not true. Cbl62 (talk) 03:19, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Harry S. Truman Carrier Strike Group

• ... that the Harry S. Truman Carrier Strike Group traces its organizational lineage back to Carrier Division Two that was initially commanded by legendary Admiral "Bull" Halsey in 1937?

Created by Marcd30319 (talk). Self nom at 16:37, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Secret Truths

• ... that the South of Nowhere pilot episode "Secret Truths" was filmed at a correctional facility, although set in a high school?

5x expanded by 97198 (talk). Self nom at 13:43, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

• Date and length okay. Possible problem: the online source doesn't specifically state this episode was shot at a correctional facility; rather the series. Also, though not part of the hook, Los Angeles isn't mentioned in the reference, either. Yves (talk) 04:38, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

• The first line of the article (under the byline) says "Filmed in L.A." ;) And although it says the show is filmed at a correctional facility, consider that the article/review is about the pilot and that it's unlikely that they'd mention that "'South of Nowhere' is shot in a California correctional facility" if not referring to the episode that the article is actually focused on. Personally, I find such strict interpretation a bit silly. 97198 (talk) 07:24, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

John Henry Keen

• ... that the totem pole (pictured) which welcomes visitors to the British Museum was documented for the museum by Rev. John Henry Keen years before it was purchased?

• Comment: The GLAM/WIKI conference opens at the British Museum on the 26th so an appearance of this article would be good then. As the delegates reach the sign in desk they will see the totem. If anyone is interested in helping to make this a double nom then there is a draft available of the totem pole

Created/expanded by Victuallers (talk). Self nom at 09:08, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Nevada City Classic

• ... that previous winners of the Nevada City Classic, the second-oldest bicycle race in the US, include Greg LeMond (1979-81) and Lance Armstrong (2009)?

Created by Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 07:38, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Armstrong Chapel United Methodist Church

• ... that the foundation stones of Armstrong Chapel (pictured) in Indian Hill, Ohio are held together by earth, rather than by mortar?

5x expanded by Nyttend (talk). Self nom at 02:51, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

DJ Skitz

• ... that a track on DJ Skitz's debut album was said to do for Highbury Estate, what Mobb Deep and Nas did for Queensbridge?

• ALT1:... that the then-unknown Estelle featured on DJ Skitz's debut album in 2001?
• Comment: This is currently at AfD, but I've 5x expanded it since it was nominated closed as keep. SmartSE (talk) 15:12, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

5x expanded by Smartse (talk). Self nom at 01:15, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Grenade (song)

• ... that Bruno Mars will drag a piano through a city in the music video for "Grenade"?

• ALT1:... that Bruno Mars would drag a piano through a city to catch a grenade for ya?

Created by Yvesnimmo (talk). Self nom at 00:00, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

ALT2 is just a fun one. If this isn't accepted, there are some other facts that could be used from the article: let me know! Yves (talk) 00:00, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Logistics at the Battle of Pusan Perimeter

• ... that United Nations forces had a decisive advantage in Logistics at the Battle of Pusan Perimeter in the Korean War despite having no pre-established plan for fighting there?

Created by User:Ed! (talk). Self nom at 05:47, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

American Livestock Breeds Conservancy

• ... that the American Livestock Breeds Conservancy was the first United States organization focused on preserving rare breeds of livestock?

5x expanded by Dana boomer (talk). Self nom at 16:41, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

• Very intriguing article, but are there any secondary sources that verify the hook fact? Since it's referenced to the group's own website. - The Bushranger _{Return fire} 05:37, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Bushranger. I've tweaked the hook a bit to match up with the new source I found. It probably is still the only one, but I can't find a secondary source to back that up. Dana boomer (talk) 15:33, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

And the hook and article are good to go. Great work. - The Bushranger _{Return fire} 16:44, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 17

Bernard de Nonancourt

• ... that when Bernard de Nonancourt, French Resistance member and future head of Laurent-Perrier, uncovered Adolph Hitler's wine cellar he found hundreds of cases of 1928 Champagne Salon looted from France?

Created by Scanlan (talk). Self nom at 15:02, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Adenanthos eyrei

• ... that Adenanthos eyrei was formally named after Edward John Eyre, the first explorer known to have visited the only place where this Western Australian shrub has been found?

Created by Hesperian (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 06:13, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Elisabeth Scholl, Daniel Sans

• ... that the five solo parts of Joseph Haydn's oratorio Die Schöpfung were performed by Elisabeth Scholl, Daniel Sans and Andreas Pruys in the Basilika of Schloss Johannisberg?

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 22:21, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Battle of Coral-Balmoral

• ... that the Battle of Coral-Balmoral (12 May – 6 June 1968) was the largest unit-level action of the Vietnam War fought by the 1st Australian Task Force?

5x expanded by Anotherclown (talk). Self nom at 10:15, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Madison Square Presbyterian Church, New York City (1906)

• ... that Stanford White's 1906 Madison Square Presbyterian Church (pictured), "one of the most costly religious edifices" in New York City, was knocked down in 1919, becoming "a distinct architectural loss"?

5x expanded by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 02:39, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Madison Square Presbyterian Church, New York City (1854)

• ... that the Madison Square Presbyterian Church building completed in 1854 was knocked down to become the site of the Metropolitan Life Insurance Company Tower (pictured), then the world's tallest building?

5x expanded by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 02:28, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Interstate TDR

• ... that during World War II, the U.S. Navy planned to equip eighteen squadrons of assault drones with over a thousand Interstate TDR (pictured) and TBF Avenger aircraft?

Created by The Bushranger (talk). Self nom at 00:36, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

James A. Gross

• ... that Cornell University labor law professor James A. Gross has worked as a labor relations mediator for the National Hockey League and Major League Baseball?

Created by Tim1965 (talk). Self nom at 00:27, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Patterns of Sexual Behavior, Frank A. Beach

• ... that Clellan S. Ford and Frank A. Beach, in their 1951 book Patterns of Sexual Behavior, conclude that there is a "basic mammalian capacity" for homosexuality?

5x expanded by Ackatsis (talk). Self nom at 22:41, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that the 1951 book Patterns of Sexual Behavior integrates information from 191 different human cultures?
• Comment: both of these tags can be verified online. See here and here. Article was expanded from 186 to 4727 bytes. Thanks, Ackatsis (talk) 22:41, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
• Another Comment: the Frank A. Beach article was looking a little sorry, so I expanded it 30-fold. We might consider bolding that link, as well. Ackatsis (talk) 00:22, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

• Bolded Frank A. Beach in the original hook, struck through the ALT hook that omits him. cmadler (talk) 14:52, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Hey, Jeannie!

• ... that early in their careers Chuck Connors and Mike Connors guest starred in Jeannie Carson's short-lived sitcom Hey, Jeannie!?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 22:31, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

... that Jeannie Carson's attempt at series television, on CBS and in syndication, failed with her 1956-1958 sitcom Hey, Jeannie!?

Can you complete ref. 2 please? Materialscientist (talk) 23:33, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Nast Trinity United Methodist Church

• ... that Cincinnati's Nast Trinity United Methodist Church was the first German Methodist Episcopal church in the world?

5x expanded by Nyttend (talk). Self nom at 15:44, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Mystic marriage of Saint Catherine

• ... how to tell which of the two possible Saint Catherines is shown marrying Jesus in a painting of the Mystic marriage of Saint Catherine (example pictured)?

5x expanded by Johnbod (talk). Self nom at 15:24, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

• The phrase "Did you know how to tell" is poor grammar; the tag-lines usually state facts, they do not ask questions - so could it be rephrased?  Chzz  ►  17:54, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

We have had plenty of tags like this before, & I think they make a refreshing change. All the tags ask questions! I'm not inclined to change it unless others agree with you. Johnbod (talk) 20:32, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Sure, I appreciate that, and that's fine. I only commented because the phrasing Did you know how to tell which of the two possible Saint Catherines is shown marrying Jesus doesn't make much sense; but I'm happy to see other opinions.  Chzz  ►  02:47, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

How does the question "Did you know how to tell which of the two possible Saint Catherines is shown marrying Jesus?" not make sense? After reading the article, the reader'll know how to tell which Catherine is shown marrying Jesus.--Wetman (talk) 00:21, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

The proposed sentence is not grammatical. To make it grammatical it would have to read: "Do you know how to tell ..." and not "Did you know ...". However, as the "Did you know" part cannot be changed, the hook should be rephrased. — SMUconlaw (talk) 18:15, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Did you know that was incorrect or did you choose it from the two possible choices? Victuallers (talk) 09:55, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Victuallers, the sentence in your posting is grammatical because you are asking me whether I knew some time in the past that the hook is ungrammatical. However, the hook ("Did you know how to tell ...") is ungrammatical because it seeks to ask readers whether they know now how to distinguish between the two Saint Catherines. That requires a Do you know and not a Did you know construction. — SMUconlaw (talk) 14:52, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Actually, no: "Did you know how to tell which of the two possible Saint Catherines is shown marrying Jesus before I told you?" Why does the question have to refer to present knowledge? As I say, we have had similar hooks in the past. Johnbod (talk) 01:45, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

If we applied this standard, we'd have to switch the name to "Do you know", since our hooks never refer to present knowledge. You'd really have to get consensus for banning all hooks that don't begin with "that" in order to reject this hook for this reason. Nyttend (talk) 15:31, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Yaksha (festival)

• ... that in 2010, Sudha Ragunathan gave a Carnatic recital at Yaksha despite suffering from a severe bout of viral fever?

Created by Regstuff (talk). Self nom at 04:19, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Battle of Sangju

• that during the Korean War, the US 25th Infantry Division was so undermanned before the Battle of Sangju that it had to bring in troops from the stockade to fight on the front?

Created by User:Ed! (talk). Self nom at 18:39, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

I think that given the significance of this battle in African American military history, a better hook is needed to suit the topic

• Alt: ... that members of the segregated US 24th Infantry Regiment claimed the regiment's achievement at the Battle of Sangju was not recognized due to racism? Jim101 (talk) 02:22, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Current nominations

Articles created/expanded on November 18

Douglas Cloudster II

• ... that the Douglas Aircraft Corporation's Cloudster II, intended for use as an executive transport, was powered by two engines but only had a single propeller?

Created by Nigel Ish (talk), Jackehammond (talk). Nominated by The Bushranger (talk) at 00:47, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Wolfgang Schäfer

• ... that Wolfgang Schäfer taught choral conducting for 26 years at the Hochschule für Musik in Frankfurt, succeeding Helmuth Rilling?

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 22:49, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Maritime history of Orissa

• ... that accounts of the Maritime history of Orissa say that the ancient ships were driven by steam engines and could travel underwater?

5x expanded by Aymatth2 (talk). Self nom at 15:14, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Venues of the 1980 Summer Olympics

• ... that following the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991, three of the venues used for the 1980 Summer Olympics would be in four new sovereign states formed afterwards?

Created by Miller17CU94 (talk). Self nom at 23:58, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

• Wouldn't it be four? The Russian Federation was just as 'new' as Belarus, Ukraine and Estonia. In fact, there were no 'new' nations when USSR was dissolved, just existing SSRs (which in theory at last, according to the Soviet constitution, were sovereign states). --Soman (talk) 18:19, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Reworded. Chris (talk) 20:34, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Still, it should be four. Moscow is in neither Belarus, Ukraine nor Estonia. --Soman (talk) 20:37, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Take 2. Chris (talk) 21:59, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Suggestion for ALT1: "that following the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991, the venues used for the 1980 Summer Olympics were divided between four of the new sovereign states formed afterwards?" --Soman (talk) 02:41, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

That would work, but the venue in Kiev, Minsk, and Tallinn went to Ukraine, Belarus, and Estonia, respectively, while the remaining 25 venues listed remained in Russia. Something to be aware of in order not to confuse the reader. Chris (talk) 03:29, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

It is not different. The remaining 25 venues "went to Russia". A clarification, it is not that Ukraine in 1991 became independent from Russia. Russian and Ukraine were both Soviet Republics that became independent from the Soviet Union. --Soman (talk) 13:56, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Then your hook will work. Thank you for your help. Chris (talk) 14:05, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Ndyakira Amooti

• ... that in accordance with his will, Ugandan environmentalist Ndyakira Amooti was buried without a coffin, his body wrapped in a palm-leaf mat?

Created by Oceanh (talk). Self nom at 02:32, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

• Fixed spelling and linked Uganda. --Soman (talk) 17:23, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Warwick Brookes

• ... that when the former British Member of Parliament Warwick Brookes was declared bankrupt in 1931, he had debts of £50,000 but less than £300 in assets?

Created by BrownHairedGirl (talk). Self nom at 16:11, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

• There are several other possible hooks in this article, such as his involvement in an early bodybuilding business with Eugen Sandow, and racing his yacht against King George V's HMY Britannia. But the spectacular bankruptcy looks to me like the hookiest and least verbose. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:17, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Barry III

• ... that Guinean socialist politician Barry III was nick-named 'little elephant', due to the similarities of his political programme with that of Sékou Touré (nick-named 'The Elephant')?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 15:55, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

The Newsweek Daily Beast Company

• ... that the The Newsweek Daily Beast Company, a merger of The Daily Beast and Newsweek, plans on redirecting Newsweek.com to The Daily Beast, despite the fact that the former website has higher web traffic?

5x expanded by Hongkongresident (talk). Self nom at 05:19, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Heraclius (brother of Tiberius III), Heraclius (son of Constans II), Tiberius (son of Constans II)

• ... that Constantine IV's attempt to demote his brothers and Byzantine co-emperors Heraclius and Tiberius prompted a revolt from military officers who believed that, as Heaven was ruled by the Trinity, the empire should also be governed by three emperors?

• Comment: I'll attempt to shorten this hook.--PFHLai (talk) 00:39, 20 November 2010 (UTC) Now 251 characters, but probably still too long. --PFHLai (talk) 19:32, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Created by Oatley2112 (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 00:39, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

• How about ALT1: ... that Constantine IV's attempt to demote Byzantine co-emperors Heraclius and Tiberius prompted a revolt from military officers, who believed that the empire should be governed by three emperors? - PM800 (talk) 20:34, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, PM800. But right now, I'd like to nominate Heraclius (brother of Tiberius III) and make a triple-DYK hook. Let me think.... :-) --PFHLai (talk) 23:11, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

• (triple hook #1)... that Heraclius, a Byzantine general executed in 705, was the brother of deposed emperor Tiberius III, whereas Heraclius, mutilated in 681, was himself a co-emperor dethroned along with his brother Tiberius?

• (triple hook #2)... that when Tiberius was dethroned in 681, he and his brother and Byzantine co-emperor Heraclius were mutilated, but after Tiberius III was deposed in 705, he and his brother Heraclius were executed?
  

Created by Cplakidas (talk) & Oatley2112 (talk). --PFHLai (talk) 03:38, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

HNLMS Koning der Nederlanden

• ... that the ironclad HNLMS Koning der Nederlanden was the largest ship built for the Royal Netherlands Navy during the 19th Century?

Created by Sturmvogel 66 (talk). Self nom at 20:18, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

John Mills Houston

• ... that John Mills Houston (pictured) was an actor who enlisted in the U.S. Marine Corps and served in President Woodrow Wilson's honor guard during World War I before being elected to the House of Representatives?

5x expanded by Tim1965 (talk). Self nom at 14:03, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Cathy Bissoon

• ... that when Pennsylvania judge Cathy Bissoon was four years old, her father was stabbed to death near the family's home in Williamsburg, Brooklyn?

Created by Billyboy01 (talk). Self nom at 04:50, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Fortune telling fraud

• ... that fortune telling fraud is a confidence game that involves persuading victims that they suffer from a curse?

Created by Ihcoyc (talk). Self nom at 03:55, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

• I don't think the section on "High Tech Variants" is relevant (ie "Fake antivirus software falsely claims that your computer is infected with viruses, and renders the machine inoperable with bogus warnings unless blackmail is paid"). Are they similar? Perhaps in spirit, but not anymore so than the thousands of other miracle cures designed to con people out of money.--res Laozi speak 20:20, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

• I moved the references to virus hoax and rogue security software to "see also". The other reported hoax strikes me as more clearly analogous, and my original motivation for starting the article was the deletion discussion of an article specifically about that incident. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 22:54, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 19

Gilsey House

• ... that Oscar Wilde liked to stay at the Gilsey House Hotel (pictured) in New York City?

Created/expanded by Beyond My Ken (talk). Nominated by Gryffindor (talk) at 04:51, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Circassian diaspora

• ... that the Circassian diaspora led to Circassians settling in Russia, Jordan, Israel, Syria, Iraq, and Moldavia?

Created by Bobfrombrockley (talk). Nominated by Drmies (talk) at 03:24, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

• Very curious article, but there are many entirely unreferenced paragraphs ("During the French Mandate period in Syria...", "In Syria, the Circassians lived...", "The Circassians of Syria were actively involved...", "Around 1600, a number of immigrants...", and some sentences missing references as well. Ideally, every fact should be accompanied by a footnote which points to a reliable source. Also, I believe there's potential for a catchier hook :) Length and date are OK in any case. — Toдor Boжinov — 15:48, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

• I can get to work on it, but it's not my article. I'll do the best I can. I tried to look for a catchier hook, but stuck with the one that seemed verified the best. Your suggestions (and other help!) are appreciated. Drmies (talk) 15:50, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Jennifer Frautschi

• ... that American musician Jennifer Frautschi plays an Antonio Stradivari violin known as the Cádiz, dated to 1722?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Cannibaloki (talk) at 13:32, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Death panels (political term)

• ... outrageous, nuts, startling, make believe, a lie, and politics were words used to describe what Sarah Palin (pictured) found, after she called it like she saw it, and saw death panels?

Created by Jesanj (talk). Self nom at 04:03, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

• Sorry, don't mean to be rude, but the hook makes no sense to me. Further (i) regular DYK hooks should not be misleading, as some news titles, (ii) Palin was surely called by many dozens of terms and words. It is unclear why should they be repeated in this hook (personal opinion of unclear notability). Materialscientist (talk) 06:15, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

• I'm not sure as to what exactly you find misleading. Perhaps it was that she "saw" as in physically. That is a figure of speech she used in a October 2010 Newsmax interview. I was trying to make it interesting and weird so people would click on it. By the way, these descriptors are for death panels, not Palin herself. Must the notability of the descriptors be defined in the hook, although they are already established in the article? Jesanj (talk) 18:23, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Blatantly POV hook. - The Bushranger _{Return fire} 06:28, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

• I thought POV occurs when we aren't reflecting what reliable sources say. Outrageous: American Dialect Society; Nuts: Sen. Johnny Isakson (R-GA); Startling: David Casarett, MD, MA, prof of medicine at UPenn & Medical Director at a VA Hospital; ake believe: bioethicist George Annas from an Oxford University Press published book; Lie: PolitiFact.com; Politics: Atul Gawande, MD, author, Harvard professor, surgeon, journalist. It seems neutral to me to use this terminology. Jesanj (talk) 18:23, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

• Chiming in because I saw this one, yeah that hook won't fly, but it could be: ... that Sarah Palin coined the term death panels in 2009 regarding Health care reform in the United States?--Milowent • 13:10, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

I should note there seems to have been a debate in the past whether this article should exist. see Talk:Death panel.--Milowent • 14:36, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

• Yes, I noticed those discussions after I wrote the page. It appears that was before publications/papers that discuss the term and its problems/repercussions etc., were being cited (as some hadn't been published) such as:

Brendan Nyhan (2010). "Why the "Death Panel" Myth Wouldn't Die: Misinformation in the Health Care Reform Debate" (PDF). The Forum. 8 (1). Berkeley Electronic Press. doi:10.2202/1540-8884.1354.

Kettl P (2010). "One Vote for Death Panels". JAMA. 303 (13): 1234–5. doi:10.1001/jama.2010.376. PMID 20371773. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)

Corn BW (2009). "Ending end-of-life phobia — a prescription for enlightened health care reform". N. Engl. J. Med. 361 (27): e63. doi:10.1056/NEJMp0909740. PMID 20018960. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help) Jesanj (talk) 18:23, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

The previous existence of the article "Death panel" (here) might be a factor in determining whether it belongs at DYK. However, that article content is long gone, it seems to have focused on the concept of death panels while the new article focuses on the term, and the new article is about 4x longer. --Orlady (talk) 21:30, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

• Originally I had something more like this in mind before I started appying the descriptors to the term: (ALT2) ... that Sarah Palin (pictured) called it like she saw it, and coined the term death panels, earning her the "Lie of the Year" for 2009 from PolitiFact.com? Jesanj (talk) 18:23, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Here's a possible ALT hook derived from the lead of the article. It focuses on the term, not the person:

• ALT2 ... that the term "death panels," which Sarah Palin (pictured) coined on her Facebook page, was named "Lie of the Year" by PolitiFact.com and the "Most Outrageous" word of 2009 by the American Dialect Society? --Orlady (talk) 21:30, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

• Looks good. Thanks. Jesanj (talk) 04:18, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Western Ground Parrot

Add alt-text!

• ... that there are only around 100 Western Ground Parrots (pictured) left?

Created by Casliber (talk), KimvdLinde (talk). Self nom at 01:39, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

• The description and breeding sections need to be fully referenced. (Maybe add the conservation status to the taxobox as well). SmartSE (talk) 21:48, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

• I commented out the bits that I cannot reference for the time being (long story), but it is still a healthy 712 word article...Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:48, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

W. Howard Lester

• ... that Howard Lester bought Williams-Sonoma in 1976 when it had four stores and sales of $4 million and grew the company to annual sales of $3.4 billion at 600 stores, including the Pottery Barn chain?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 18:28, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Parque Batlle, Montevideo

• ... that Parque Batlle (fragment pictured) is considered the "lungs" of the city of Montevideo due to the large number of trees planted there?

5x expanded by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Rosiestep (talk), Nvvchar (talk), and Hoverfish (talk). Self nom at 15:27, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Parque Batlle is new and was created on Nov 14. Montevideo expanded this morning after several days work in the project space between those mentioned. Montevideo is still a working progress and is being sourced and improved. Should be around a 5x expansion if you compare the actual prose from originally.♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:30, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Date, length, fact verified (POVish a bit). Lead candidate, thus added a picture (park - left, city - right). Alt pictures can be found for Montevideo itself. Materialscientist (talk) 05:04, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Logic: not so much due to the variety but due to the number.--Wetman (talk) 23:55, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Agree and changed. Materialscientist (talk) 00:07, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Mosca's

• ... that New Orleans crime family boss Carlos Marcello was a regular customer at the Louisiana Creole Italian restaurant Mosca's?

• ALT1:... that Provino Mosca, the founder of the Louisiana Creole Italian restaurant Mosca's, was reported to have been a chef for Al Capone, despite being dismissed by his family?

Created by Arxiloxos (talk). Nominated by Secret Saturdays (talk) at 18:17, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Hybrid buses in London

• ... that London Buses route 141 was the first in the world to be operated with a hybrid electric double-decker?

Created by Alzarian16 (talk). Self nom at 15:17, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that the first hybrid electric double-decker to be built was operated in London on route 141? Alzarian16 (talk) 12:52, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

• Added ALT1 as I just realised the original isn't directly supported by the sources. Alzarian16 (talk) 12:52, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Rans S-6 Coyote II

• ... that a Rans S-6 Coyote II (example pictured), a type of homebuilt aircraft, has flown across the Atlantic Ocean twice?

5x expanded by 88.108.216.153 (talk), Ahunt (talk). Nominated by The Bushranger (talk) at 01:25, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Edmund Kuempel

• ... that Texas State Rep. Edmund Kuempel, while under anesthesia from surgery, hung up on former U.S. President George W. Bush in 2009, not realizing who was on the telephone?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 06:16, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

ALT1:=... that Texas State Rep. Edmund Kuempel died in office two days after being unopposed for his fifteenth term in the November 2, 2010 general election?

ALT2:... that in the early 1990s, Texas State Rep. Edmund Kuempel worked to restore the Texas State Capitol and to build an underground extension for additional office space?

Brazil – Portugal relations

• ... that Brazil and Portugal have a privileged relationship as a result of the Portuguese Empire?

Created by Lihaas (talk). Self nom at 01:42, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

ready, while undergoing further expansion as it was just created recently.Lihaas (talk) 02:01, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Sacul, El Petén

• ... that just 11 years after the Maya city of Sacul lost a battle against Ixkun, both cities formed an alliance?

Created by Simon Burchell (talk). Self nom at 21:31, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that the Maya city of Sacul in Guatemala formed an alliance with the city of Ixkun just 11 years after being defeated by it in battle?

Academy of Dramatic Art, University of Zagreb

• ... that the Academy of Dramatic Art in Zagreb celebrates its holiday on 3 May, in memory of the 1995 rocket attack in which its building was hit, killing a student?

Created by Timbouctou (talk). Self nom at 20:16, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

• Length, date and references verified. Catchy hook as usual! Had to reclass it as C because we can't feature stubs, and it obviously wasn't one. Aren't there any free pics of the academy's edifice? It seems to be pretty cool, and DYKs with pics are usually better visited :) — Toдor Boжinov — 15:34, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Article 15 of the Constitution of Singapore

• ... that freedom of religion in Singapore, which is guaranteed by Article 15 of the Constitution of Singapore, may be restricted by a general law relating to public order, public health or morality?

Created by Alisonleeyl (talk), Elycia Koh (talk) and Joyoftessa (talk). Nominated by Smuconlaw (talk) at 17:52, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

• The article was created in a sandbox and moved into the main namespace on 19 November 2010. — SMUconlaw (talk) 18:01, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Nun komm, der Heiden Heiland, BWV 61

• ... that Bach wrote in Weimar the opening chorus of his cantata for the First Sunday of Advent Nun komm, der Heiden Heiland, BWV 61, as a French overture?

• Comment: The article is practically new, replacing the former listing of text and translation. It is meant to appear on 28 December, First Sunday of Advent, for which it was written in Weimar. Bach performed it again 28 December 1723 in Leipzig, also a hook possibility.

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 14:57, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

St Ives Lifeboat Station

• ... that five of the seven men killed when the St Ives Lifeboat was wrecked in January 1939 had survived when their previous lifeboat had been wrecked the previous January?

Created by Geof Sheppard (talk). Self nom at 08:34, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Jim Matheson (journalist) and Jack Matheson

• ... that Hall of Fame writer Jim Matheson had always intended to follow in his father, Jack Matheson's footsteps as a sports journalist?

Created by Connormah (talk). Self nom at 03:11, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

• zzzzzz.... And believe it or not, it is not obvious that the "Hall of Fame" is the Hockey Hall of Fame. Canada should be worked in too, but there must be something more hooky. Johnbod (talk) 05:01, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

  I was worried about that, but I'm out for any ideas ATM - I'll think of something, but suggestions are appreciated. Connormah (talk) 14:45, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Lanrick Castle

• ... that Lanrick Castle near Doune, Scotland, was demolished in 2002 despite being a category B listed building?

Created by Jonathan Oldenbuck (talk). Self nom at 11:56, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

• Date OK, hook checks out, but the article is only 1398 characters of prose text - it needs to be expanded to 1500 to qualify for DYK. Plenty of sources, so this shouldn't be too much of a problem. Regards, Simon Burchell (talk) 23:52, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 20

2010–11 Atlantic 10 Conference men's basketball season

• ... that Richmond's Kevin Anderson was named the preseason Player of the Year of the 2010–11 Atlantic 10 Conference men's basketball season?

Created by Editorofthewiki (talk). Self nom at 01:20, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

• The source says that Anderson is on the Preseason First Team and Preseason All-Defensive team, but it doesn't say anything about the Preseason Player of the Year. - PM800 (talk) 18:07, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Lissopimpla excelsa, Cryptostylis, Cryptostylis hunteriana, Cryptostylis subulata, Cryptostylis erecta

• ... that the orchid dupe wasp ejaculates visible amounts of semen as it tries to copulate with flowers of the leafless-, large- and tartan- (pictured) tongue orchids, which it mistakes for a female wasp?

Created by Casliber (talk), Poyt448 (talk). Self nom at 14:09, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

• Just a few minor things, firstly was Edith Coleman the first person to use the term pseudocopulation? The reference doesn't say she was, but the articles imply she did. If she wasn't then they need rephrasing. Secondly can we try and make the wasp and genus articles more complete by adding doi:10.1111/j.1095-8339.2003.00249.x and which discuss how they deceive the wasps? I can provide a copy of the first paper via email, or I may get round to adding it myself in the next few days if you don't have the time. Nice hook btw. SmartSE (talk) 23:13, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Oh and an alt text please → SmartSE (talk) 23:13, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

The term was coined later I believe. Not by her. My connection is slow where I am so I might be a little while...Casliber (talk ·

Update: Got both articles in now. Got fulltext of first one ok. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:37, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

contribs) 00:08, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Action of 6 October 1944

• ... that according to the Kriegsmarine, the sinking of U-168 on 6 October 1944, was the result of "loose talk" due to the crew who brought their Indonesian girlfriends aboard for a goodbye party?

Created by $1LENCE D00600D (talk). Nominated by Cannibaloki (talk) at 12:44, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Christian Steinmetz

• ... that Christian Steinmetz (pictured) was the first College Basketball Player of the Year despite being 5 feet, 9 inches, and 137 pounds?

Created/expanded by User:cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 06:21, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Nasr ibn Sayyar

• ... that the last Umayyad governor of Khurasan, Nasr ibn Sayyar, hoped to ease resentment among local Muslims by streamlining the province's tax system?

Created by Cplakidas (talk). Self nom at 21:56, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Sulayman ibn Hisham

• ... that the Umayyad general Sulayman ibn Hisham executed all of his Byzantine prisoners upon receiving a false report that the Byzantines had slaughtered their own Muslim prisoners?

• ALT1:... that during one of his campaigns, the troops of the Umayyad general Sulayman ibn Hisham suffered so much due to disease and famine, that many defected to the Byzantines and converted to Christianity?

Created by Cplakidas (talk). Self nom at 21:50, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Cleveland Railway (England)

• ... ... that disputes between rival railway companies during the building of the Cleveland Railway (map pictured) became so intense that they led to a "battle" on the River Tees?

Created by Prioryman (talk) 15:05, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

• Very intriguing. Nice work. AGF on offline sources. - The Bushranger _{Return fire} 06:05, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Marie et les Garçons

• ... that the second single by French punk rock band Marie et les Garçons was produced in New York by John Cale, formerly of the Velvet Underground?

Created by Ghmyrtle (talk). Self nom at 09:55, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Jake Adelstein

• ... that Jake Adelstein was the first American to work as a Japanese language reporter for a Japanese newspaper?

5x expanded by Bridies (talk). Self nom at 08:14, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Moira Hoey

• ... that for 14 years Moira Hoey played a character on television considered "the quintessential Irish mammy"?

Created by Candlewicke (talk). Self nom at 03:36, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Francis Wingfield

• ... that when Francis Wingfield was elected MP for Stamford in 1660, a previous MP was also listed and the Alderman of Stamford had to travel to Parliament to correct the return?

Created by Rich Farmbrough (talk). Self nom at 02:42, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

If anyone can improve the wording - great. Rich Farmbrough, 02:42, 21 November 2010 (UTC).

Charles Gonthier, Prince of Schwarzburg-Sondershausen

• ... that the Prince of Schwarzburg-Sondershausen and his brother Prince Leopold had a violent confrontation after Leopold was insulted by his brothers suggestion he marry a commoner causing a great scandal?

Created by DWC LR (talk). Self nom at 00:40, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Tim Smith (basketball)

• ... that Tim Smith was named the Atlantic Sun Conference Men's Basketball Player of the Year in his school's first year as a conference member?

Created by Jrcla2 (talk). Self nom at 23:59, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

George Maximilianovich, 6th Duke of Leuchtenberg

• ... that while staying at their estate near the Black Sea, George Maximilianovich, 6th Duke of Leuchtenberg (pictured) and his family witnessed the 1905 battleship Potempkin revolt?

Created by Ruby2010 (talk) 23:48, 20 November 2010 (UTC) (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that George Maximilianovich, 6th Duke of Leuchtenberg (pictured) was considered as a possible successor to the childless Alexander I of Serbia, who was overthrown and murdered in the May Overthrow?
• ALT2: ... that after George, Duke of Leuchtenberg (pictured) moved in with his mistress and spent time at Biarritz on the coast of France, Emperor Alexander III declared the duke "is washing his filthy body on the waves of the ocean"?

Sampson Lloyd (MP)

• ... that the British politician Sampson Lloyd was an Antidisestablishmentarianist?

• ALT1:... that the 19th-century British politician Sampson Lloyd married the daughter of a general in the Prussian Army?

Created by BrownHairedGirl (talk). Self nom at 23:46, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Nels Johnson, Century tower clocks

• ... that Nels Johnson built Century tower clocks (Milwaukee City Hall tower clock example pictured) - clocks designed to last 100 years?

Created by Doug Coldwell (talk). Self nom at 23:14, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

• This doesn't directly affect the DYK nomination, but I note that Johnson died in 1915 and most of his clocks were built more than 100 years ago. It would be nice if one of these articles went into detail about how many of the clocks actually lasted 100 years (or, if they didn't, what happened to them; one can't blame Johnson if a building was torn down before his clock stopped working). --Metropolitan90 (talk) 18:34, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Good comment! I know that several of his clocks, most built around 1900 plus or minus 10 years are STILL going. I'll have to research this and add to the article, as that would be interesting information. One such tower clock is the Mason County courthouse tower clock. It was installed in 1906, but originally built in 1892 and installed originally in a church. It is about 3 blocks from where I live and I hear it "bong" every hour accurately, day in and day out 24-7-365. Interestingly, lately it has been "bonging" 13 times for 1 o'clock, day or night! That started around Halloween.--Doug Coldwell 23:17, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Act Against Slavery

• ... that the 1793 Act Against Slavery of Upper Canada was the first law in the British Empire to free slaves?

5x expanded by Padraic (talk). Self nom at 22:17, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

• Hasn't been 5x expanded, but is now well referenced with inline citations and in a better state than the starting article. I will leave it to the discretion of a regular around here to accept or reject, but I wanted to say that it looks like good work even if it doesn't meet the rules for DYK. Camw (talk) 15:31, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
• The unreferenced version of 11 November was 1804 characters, and the version I just checked was 1867 characters. Referencing is good but doesn't count as expansion for DYK purposes. EdChem (talk) 15:46, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Antonio Te Maioha

• ... that actor Antonio Te Maioha who plays a gladiator nicknamed the "Beast of Carthage" in the television drama Spartacus: Blood and Sand is half Maori and interested in waste recycling?

Created by Thruxton (talk). Self nom at 20:40, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

tkWWW

• ... that the tkWWW web browser, released May 1993, was the first X11 HTML editor.

Created by Mabdul (talk). Self nom at 19:58, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALt1:... that the tkWWW web browser was so modular that there exists other web browser and web crawlers upon.

The Pat Boone Chevy Showroom

• ... that until The Donny & Marie Show in 1976, Pat Boone, 23 in 1957, had been the youngest person in television history to host a network variety show, ABC's The Pat Boone Chevy Showroom?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 19:57, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

• I can't agree with the hook (which is sourced only to Pat Boone's own web site). Donny & Marie (1976 TV series) was hosted by Donny Osmond and Marie Osmond, both of whom were younger for the entire three-year run of their show than Boone was when he started his variety show. The Keane Brothers were even younger than Donny and Marie when they had their variety show for four weeks in 1977. I recommend finding a different hook. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 23:00, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

• I still can't agree with the hook as revised. There is no source provided that says what the hook currently says. I know that Donny & Marie were younger than Pat Boone when they had their variety show, but how do we know someone younger than Boone didn't host a variety show between 1957 and 1976? The source provided, which is Pat Boone's own web site, only says, "Boone became the youngest person to have his own weekly musical variety show". But if whoever wrote the biography didn't know about Donny & Marie or the Keane Brothers, maybe there were other young hosts they didn't know about either. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 18:28, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Greg Koubek

• ... that Greg Koubek was the first men's basketball player to play in four NCAA Tournament Final Fours?

Created by Jrcla2 (talk). Self nom at 19:14, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

David J. Saposs

• ... that National Labor Relations Board Chief Economist David J. Saposs was accused of being a Communist, and Congress defunded his position and division in October 1940?

5x expanded by Tim1965 (talk). Self nom at 18:57, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Le Phare de Guinée

• ... that the Democratic Party of Guinea organ Le Phare de Guinée was closed down in 1949, as no printing press in Guinea dared to print it due to government pressure?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 17:58, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

• Citation number five needs to go with the actual sentence making this claim. Currently, it is at the end of the short paragraph containing that sentence. Once it is actually connected to the sentence in question, this article is good to go. - Tim1965 (talk) 15:08, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Berkelium

An inside of a large hall occupied by a large industrial installation

• ... that it took about 490 days of continuous experiments to prepare 22 milligrams of berkelium for the synthesis of 6 atoms of element 117 (irradiation facility pictured)?

• Comment: See these refs (search for berkelium or milligram). ref. Materialscientist (talk) 13:04, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

5x expanded by Materialscientist (talk). Self nom at 13:04, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

• Impressive expansion and interesting hook. Everything checks out, except I read the hook as saying that it took 490 days just to prepare the berkelium (when in fact that was the total time for the entire process). How's the following ALT? MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 21:01, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
• ✗ALT1:... that it took about 490 days of continuous experiments to synthesize 6 atoms of element 117, including 340 days to prepare and purify 22 milligrams of berkelium (irradiation facility pictured)?

  Gosh, my hook is plain wrong on dates. ALT1 is a savior, but I would offer ALT2

• ... that it took 340 days of continuous experiments to prepare 22 milligrams of berkelium for the synthesis of 6 atoms of element 117 (synthesis facility pictured), which took another 150 days? "which took another 150 days" can be scratched off, and certainly other versions are possible. The idea of ALT2 is to focus more on berkelium. Materialscientist (talk) 21:57, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Aerial view of a campus in a park

The top image has just been AFDed at commons. Not sure whether the AFD is valid or not, thus add

• ... that it took 340 days of continuous experiments to prepare 22 milligrams of berkelium (preparation facility pictured) for the synthesis of 6 atoms of element 117, which took another 150 days? Materialscientist (talk) 22:57, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

• Verified. I think the first photo is clearly preferable, so it may be worth the wait to see if that one survives. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 10:52, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

  Commons AFD debates can last several weeks without much visible activity. Thus I won't wait for it. How about the actual image of those 22 mg of berkelium below (can crop if needed)?

• ... that it took 340 days of continuous experiments to prepare 22 milligrams of berkelium (pictured) for the synthesis of 6 atoms of element 117, which took another 150 days?

United States lightship WAL 539

• ... that United States lightship WAL 539 was the last lightvessel constructed for the United States Lighthouse Service before it became part of the Coast Guard?

Created by Mangoe (talk). Self nom at 03:22, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

• Article checks out in all respects, but 540 characters short of a 5x expansion (article created 21 September, expansion started 16 November). - The Bushranger _{Return fire} 03:49, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

• To the contrary, it's fully eligible. It was created in user space in September, but it wasn't moved into article space until just a few hours ago. --Orlady (talk) 03:55, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

• Egad. I can't believe I missed spotting that. I must need more sleep. Sorry! Anyway, good to go! - The Bushranger _{Return fire} 04:00, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Regulus bulgaricus

• ... that Regulus bulgaricus, the only fossil kinglet, is known from a single ulna?

Created by Focus (talk). Self nom at 05:16, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

• nice ... can a source be found from another author.... it would be helpful to show balance Victuallers (talk) 10:46, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

• Unfortunately there are no other publications even mentioning this species. I might be able to find a source for background information (e.g. kinglet taxonomy). Would this be required for DYK? —focus 15:08, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Hippika gymnasia

• ... that in hippika gymnasia or Roman cavalry tournaments, riders wearing elaborate armour (helmet pictured) competed in teams to reenact battles from mythology such as those between the Greeks and Amazons?

Created and nominated by Prioryman (talk) 13:00, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

- length, refs fine. Book refs so AGF Victuallers (talk) 15:54, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Luke McLuke

• ... that the racing wins by the American racehorse Luke McLuke, including the Belmont Stakes, helped his father-son owner- trainer team lead the 1914 owner and trainer money earning lists?

Created by Ealdgyth (talk). Self nom at 15:14, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Thomas Coke, 1st Earl of Leicester (seventh creation)

• ... that after being paid by his aunt not to attend university, which she considered a den of vice, Thomas Coke used the money to travel to Italy, where the wife of Bonnie Prince Charles fell in love with him?

Created by Ironholds (talk). Self nom at 18:22, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Ace Bailey Benefit Game

• ... that the first All-Star Game in National Hockey League history was played in 1934 to benefit Toronto's Ace Bailey, who was nearly killed by a violent on-ice hit?

Created by Resolute (talk). Self nom at 18:24, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 21

Martin Baum (agent)

• ... that talent agent Martin Baum "packaged" together three of his clients - actor Sydney Poitier, director Ralph Nelson and screenwriter James Poe - who collaborated on the 1963 film, Lilies of the Field?

Created by Scanlan (talk). Self nom at 13:41, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Commission on Science and Technology for Sustainable Development in the South

• ... that the Commission on Science and Technology for Sustainable Development in the South (COMSATS) began offering Internet access to residents of Gilgit in 1999?

Created by Fetchcomms (talk). Self nom at 03:21, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

NLRB v. Fansteel Metallurgical Corp., NLRB v. Columbian Enameling & Stamping Co., National Labor Relations Board v. Sands Manufacturing Co.

• ... that one historian has argued that NLRB v. Fansteel Metallurgical Corp., NLRB v. Columbian Enameling & Stamping Co., and NLRB v. Sands Manufacturing Co. (all 1939) are the three most significant Supreme Court rulings on the National Labor Relations Act since NLRB v. Jones & Laughlin Steel Corporation upheld the Act in 1937?

Created by Tim1965 (talk). Self nom at 02:40, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Central Methodist Church, Eastbourne

• ... that when Central Methodist Church (pictured) in Eastbourne was completed, some worshippers were hauled to the top of the spire in a box to eat a celebratory breakfast?

• Comment: Current ref refers. A sunnier picture is available in the article as well.

Created by Hassocks5489 (talk). Self nom at 22:54, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

King Philip shipwreck

• ... that at Ocean Beach in San Francisco, every so often the sand recedes enough to allow a more-than-100-year-old shipwreck (pictured) to become visible?

• ALT1 ... that the 19th century shipwreck of the King Philip clipper ship is visible periodically (pictured) in the sand at Ocean Beach in San Francisco?

Created by Mbz1 (talk) and Invertzoo (talk). Self nom at 21:23, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

• Rewrote the hook somewhat and also created an ALT. Invertzoo (talk) 22:28, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Rudras

• ... that the eleven Rudras are associated with the ten vital energies of the body and the soul, and their departure causes death and tears?

• Comment: former redirect. Please don't put on the main page so soon. It will take me till Wednesday to fully develop the article.

Created by Redtigerxyz (talk). Self nom at 17:07, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Father Sangermano

• ... that the Italian Barnabite missionary Father Sangermano preached in Burma from 1783 to 1808 to descendants of Portuguese colonists?

Created by Drmies (talk). Self nom at 06:02, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Ireland – South Africa relations

Jacob Zuma

• ... that South African President Jacob Zuma (pictured) has commented on the "special relationship" between his country and Ireland?

Created by Candlewicke (talk). Self nom at 03:31, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

United Left (Bolivia)

• ... that current president of Bolivia Evo Morales was elected to parliament in 1997 on an United Left ticket?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 02:03, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Tom McMillan (baseball)

• ... that during the 1972 Amateur World Series, Tom McMillan was the only member of the U.S. baseball team to win All-World honors?

• ALT1:... that baseball player Tom McMillan became the first alumni from Jacksonville University to appear in a Major League Baseball game when he made his debut with the Seattle Mariners in 1977?

5x expanded by Halvorsen brian (talk). Self nom at 22:21, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Queen and Country (artwork)

• ... that Queen and Country is an artwork by Steve McQueen which commemorates the deaths of 155 British soldiers as a set of postage stamps?

Created by Yorkshiresky (talk). Self nom at 21:08, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Tim Key. With a String Quarter. On a Boat.

• ... that the comedic poetry album Tim Key. With a String Quartet. On a Boat. was made available only as a digital download and 1,000 vinyl records?

Created by ISD (talk). Self nom at 20:34, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Isbul

• ... that 9th-century Bulgarian first minister Isbul was so rich that he constructed and donated buildings to the monarch Malamir himself?

Created by TodorBozhinov (talk). Self nom at 18:23, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that 9th-century Bulgarian first minister Isbul has been compared to the Merovingian Mayors of the Palace? — Toдor Boжinov — 18:27, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
• ALT1: ... that 9th-century Bulgarian first minister Isbul was the regent of two consecutive underage rulers? — Toдor Boжinov — 15:17, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Duke Alexander Petrovich of Oldenburg

• ... that Alexander Petrovich of Oldenburg (pictured) was his country's candidate to succeed Alexander, Prince of Bulgaria?

Created by Ruby2010 (talk) 16:52, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that because of his birth and marriage to a Russian princess, Duke Alexander Petrovich of Oldenburg (pictured) was Russia's candidate to succeed Alexander, Prince of Bulgaria?
• ALT2: ... that despite initial reports stating Duke Alexander Petrovich of Oldenburg (pictured) had been one of the Imperial family killed by the new Bolshevik government, it was later discovered he had been in hiding in Finland?

Staheliomyces

• ... that the slimy spore mass of the fungus Staheliomyces cinctus (pictured) is used by stingless bees as food and nest-building material?

Created by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 14:58, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

• Tis a nice hook, but the paper doesn't explicitly say that - they only observed the bees putting it into their pollen baskets, which are usually used to store food and nest-building material, but not actually doing anything with it after. Can the hook be changed somehow to reflect that it is likely, but not certain. SmartSE (talk) 15:28, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that the slimy spore mass of the fungus Staheliomyces cinctus (pictured) is likely used by stingless bees as food and nest-building material?

ALT2: ... that stingless bees put the slimy spore mass of the fungus Staheliomyces cinctus (pictured) into their pollen baskets?

How's that? Sasata (talk) 15:45, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Rainer Rene Graf Adelmann von Adelmannsfelden

• ... that German lawyer Rainer Rene Graf Adelmann von Adelmannsfelden formed the Federation of German mercenaries, operated an agency dealing with the adoption of unborn babies, formed his own church, dealt in organ donations and the trafficking of asylum seekers?

• ALT 1: ... that German lawyer Rainer Rene Graf Adelmann von Adelmannsfelden, founder of the Federation of German mercenaries, was the subject of a question in the German Parliament in regards to organ donor laws?

Created by Calistemon (talk). Self nom at 14:44, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Clos Saint-Jacques

• ... that the bottom section of the Burgundy Premier Cru vineyard Clos Saint-Jacques used to be planted with alfalfa instead of grapevines?

Created by Camw (talk). Self nom at 14:39, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT 1 ... that the Clos Saint-Jacques vineyard was named after a local statue of Saint James, as it was a resting point on the way to Santiago de Compostela, the destination of the Way of St. James pilgrimage?

United States Ambassador to the United Nations Human Rights Council

• ... that holders of the position that would become the United States Ambassador to the United Nations Human Rights Council have included Eleanor Roosevelt and Geraldine Ferraro?

Created by Wasted Time R (talk). Self nom at 14:31, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

• I added "of" that seemed to be missing from the hook. Camw (talk) 15:37, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Mao's Great Famine: The History of China's Most Devastating Catastrophe, 1958-62

• ... that after the Mao's Great Famine: The History of China's Most Devastating Catastrophe, 1958-62, Mao Tsetung was seen as a monster, in the same league as Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin?

Created by Arilang1234 (talk). Self nom at 07:50, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

• The book and topic are quite worthy of main page mention, but there are significant problems. The article is only 925 B readable prose size, short of the required 1500. The last sentence of the article is largely a copyvio from one of the reviews. The hook needs work as well, since many people have long considered Mao a monster on par with Hitler and Stalin and given that the book has only recently come out, it's premature to say whether it will affect public opinion (in the West or in China) on Mao. Wasted Time R (talk) 14:47, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
• objection to the hook: the book was released two months ago. It's too early to pass judgements about its influence. And say it frankly: didn't you know it (about Mao) before? East of Borschov 21:20, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that during the Mao's Great Famine: The History of China's Most Devastating Catastrophe, 1958-62, among the 45 million premature deaths, at least 2 to 3 millions Chinese were buried alive, tortured or beaten to death.?
• I have changed the hook, and added more content to the article, and hope that that is OK now. Arilang 00:08, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

• No, unfortunately, it isn't. The article still has a copyvio in it. The expansion of the article is with a bullet points list, which doesn't count in the readable prose stats. You have removed the old hook instead of showing an alternate, which makes this discussion hard to follow. And your new hook reads as though it is about the famine, when the hook needs to be about the book. Wasted Time R (talk) 00:30, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

• Could someone else suggest an alternative hook? Arilang 01:06, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT2 ... that 2010 book Mao's Great Famine: The History of China's Most Devastating Catastrophe, 1958–62 states that 2–3 million Chinese were buried alive, tortured, or beaten to death during the famine?
• This will keep the point of your ALT1 hook but be about the book rather than the famine itself. But you still have a copyvio problem that has to be fixed before this can go on the main page. Consider this text from one of the book's reviews: "In terms of Mao's reputation this book leaves the Chairman for dead, as a monster in the same league as Hitler and Stalin - It is a mark of the historical darkness that still envelops China that many Chinese blame the famine on the Soviet Union, which, they maintain, snatched food from the mouths of starving Chinese by insisting that Beijing export grain to repay Moscow's loans." Now look at this prose (not quoted) from your article: "thus putting Mao Tse-tung in the same league as Adolf Hitler and Josef Stalin; and yet many Chinese still blame the famine on the Soviet Union, since they falsely believe that it was Soviet Union who was snatching food from the mouths of starving Chinese by insisting that Beijing export grain to repay Moscow's loans." Way too similar. Wasted Time R (talk) 01:49, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Action of 28 January 1945

• ... that both the British Royal Navy and German Kriegsmarine were dissatisfied with the results of the Action of 28 January 1945?

Created by Nick-D (talk). Self nom at 07:50, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

• Is every single engagement of WWII going to get its own article, no matter how minor or inconsequential? Guess I don't want to know. But would Operation Halfback be a better name for the article? It's referred to as that in this book – is that used by most of the other sources that describe this engagement? Might include the 'despair of the future of the Navy' quote from that link in the article as well. Wasted Time R (talk) 02:08, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

• Thanks for that link. All of the references use a different name. Vincent O'Hara's very detailed history of the German navy in World War II calls this the 'Action off Bergen', for instance. I don't have particularly strong views about the article's name, but am a bit reluctant to use the British codename for their operation as this obviously wasn't what the Germans used and it isn't consistently used in the sources. As for your first two sentences, I hope not as well, but the level of coverage available for this engagement means that it easily meets WP:N - there weren't many battles between large German and British warships during the war. Nick-D (talk) 06:57, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

• Okay, thanks for the response. Entry good to go; date and length verified and hook accepted on faith and partly verified through one source seen online. Wasted Time R (talk) 11:16, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

William Steward (New Zealand)

• ... that the election of William Steward (pictured) as Speaker of the New Zealand House of Representatives was the first one that was contested?

• Comment: expansion on 21 November 2010

5x expanded by Schwede66 (talk). Self nom at 03:54, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

• "first one that was contested" is a bit awkward. How about something like

• ALT1 ... that the election of William Steward (pictured) as Speaker of the New Zealand House of Representatives was the first time that this position was contested?

Nick-D (talk) 07:51, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Fine by me; thanks for your suggestion. I've adjusted the formatting of the hook with ALT1 and so on. Schwede66 08:55, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

I've struck the original hook for clarity, since the nominator is happy with ALT1. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 08:59, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Thomas Fairfax (Walton) and Thomas Fairfax (Gilling)

• ... that Thomas Fairfax was the first Fairfax to own Gilling Castle and gave it as an inheritance to his son Thomas, the last confirmed ancestor of both Prince William and Kate Middleton?

Thomas Fairfax (Walton) created by La comadreja _{formerly AFriedman} RESEARCH (talk). Thomas Fairfax (Gilling) created by User:Martinvl on November 20 and 5x expanded by La comadreja _{formerly AFriedman} RESEARCH (talk). Self nom at 6:17, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

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