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• Former talk archived to User talk:AnonMoos/Archive1, by popular request. AnonMoos 21:06, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
• Now also User talk:AnonMoos/Archive2... AnonMoos (talk) 16:56, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Edit summaries

Thank you for your contributions to Misplaced Pages. Before saving your changes to an article, please provide an edit summary, which you forgot to do before saving your recent edit to The Guardian. Doing so helps everyone to understand the intention of your edit (and prevents legitimate edits from being mistaken for vandalism). It is also helpful to users reading the edit history of the page. Thank you. Trafford09 (talk) 23:41, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Sorry if you were offended by my lack of edit summary, but since my edit consisted of inserting the word "anagram", I considered it to be not too far from a minor edit; I really don't see how anyone could have mistaken it for vandalism... AnonMoos (talk) 2:02 am, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for discussing the matter. My intention wasn't to appear slightly condescending, but constructive. I have "574 pages on my Special:Watchlist, not counting talk pages". When any of these is changed, I check the edit. If it's by a blue, registered a/c & has an edit summary (ES) then generally I won't go into the edit. And usually I don't bother if there's no edit summary but the 'm' (minor edit) flag has been set. (It should however be noted that consensus is still to supply a rudimentary ES even for 'm' edits.) However, in the case of the above edit, I felt I had to check the Diff, to see what had been changed. Then of course - but only then - I could see it wasn't vandalism. But I think the idea of the ES is to save editors the time to check each edit. I then looked at your contributions, and felt that this wasn't an isolated edit, so I felt what I hoped was a gentle reminder (a standard message from Twinkle) may be helpful. I don't mean to cause offence but, of course, as you may be aware, to avoid accidentally leaving edit summaries blank, we can select "Prompt me when entering a blank edit summary" on the Editing tab of our user preferences - personally I find this useful as nobody's memory is perfect. Anyway, I hope you continue following consensus & having happy editing. Regards, Trafford09 (talk) 21:55, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

OK, but I have 5,997 pages on my watchlist, and I find that edit summaries by others don't save me much work, except for certain kinds of bot edits and vandalism reverts. I add appropriate edit summaries for major edits and insertions and deletions of material which for one reason or another has been controversial among some in the past; but being obsessive about edit summaries for minor edits and uncontroversial workmanlike semi-minor edits (moving a few words around, rephrasing for clarity, inserting the word "anagram", etc.) would significantly distract my attention away from actually making the edits themselves.

AnonMoos (talk) 17:12, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

I'd like to take your points separately.

• You're a busy editor, with that many pages on your watchlist. I try to keep my list manageable, by unwatching any with >30 watchers.
• You say that edit summaries by others don't save you much work. But rules are rules - for all.
• You choose when & whether to add an Edit Summary ... but the guideline is straightforward Help:Edit_summary#Always_provide_an_edit_summary.
• "obsessive about edit summaries for minor edits" - if a registered user skips the ES on an edit for which they've set the wp:minor flag, that personally doesn't bother me, but you had not set the flag on the edit to which I first drew your attention.
• "obsessive about edit summaries for uncontroversial ... edits" - a point I made a few days ago was that other editors don't know the nature of your edit, unless & until they have gone to the trouble of looking at the diff. - this effort can be saved only by one's setting the Minor flag or providing an ES.
• I trust you don't regard a standard, mild reminder Twinkle message as obsessive? It's simply a reminder of consensus.
• Supplying ESs would distract you from your editing: there are small overheads in many things we do, to conform with guidelines.
• To keep discussion together, please post any reply here - I'll keep an eye out.

Trafford09 (talk) 07:54, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

I agree with User:AnonMoos, you are being ridiculously pedantic - whatever the rules. Mike Hayes (talk) 17:36, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Mike, everyone has their opinion. I note yours, and defend your right to free speech.

Your view, however, seems at odds with your own fairly good adherence to providing ESs.

I'd have thought you'd broadly support the sentiment expressed in the standard Twinkle message ({{Uw-editsummary}}) I first used here.

I think my use of it here was justified (with a fairly positive response). I'd like to think we all broadly support consensus, which I see in the TOTD below.

Tip of the day... Please summarize your work using the Edit summary box If you make anything other than a minor edit to an article, it helps others if you fill in the edit summary. Edit summaries are visible in the page history, watchlists, and on Recent changes, so they help other users keep track of what is happening to a page. If you use section editing, the summary box is filled in with the section heading by default (in gray text), which you can follow with more detail. You also can put links to articles in the edit summary. Just put double brackets around ] like you would normally. The summary is limited to 255 characters, so many people use common abbreviations, such as sp for correcting spelling mistakes, rm for remove, ce for copy-edit, etc. Prior tip – Tips library – Next tip Read more:Edit summary

Trafford09 (talk) 03:38, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Israel, Palestine and the United Nations

Taken it to RSN. I don't want battles on this, and I don't want to work on it alone. It feels like wading through treacle, for readers as well as editors, I fear. Itsmejudith (talk) 10:53, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Developing an article isn't bureaucracy

The sourcing on the page is very poor - you can't deny that. Therefore I've been working through it. I oughtn't to be getting hassle for that. Itsmejudith (talk) 11:04, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

RSN isn't bureaucracy. It's getting advice from people interested in sourcing. Itsmejudith (talk) 11:11, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Sorry but we seemed to be unable to reach agreement. I regularly reply to questions on RSN and I go there quite readily when I need help. The collective wisdom is helpful to any article. Anyway, let's see what replies we get. Itsmejudith (talk) 11:19, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

It isn't bureaucratic. It's there to help. Referencing on the article is currently poor, I'm trying to work on it, can't do it all on my own. If you think I did something wrong, take out a wikiquette alert or ANI and I'll happily explain myself and take advice if other people say I was actually wrong. Itsmejudith (talk) 19:56, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

I, P & UN

Please express your opinion about my splitting of the article in two, in particular, see Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Alleged United Nations bias in Israel-Palestine issues. I am not particularly concerned about the outcome, but you must agree that the article has grown unreasonably huge and messy. Thanks. Yceren Loq (talk) 18:00, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Template:Christianity

On that Christianity template pic, I just changed it to "Three crosses.jpg" since there's no consensus on the Jesus face and wanted to get it to something else while the discussion continues. I would, however, fully back you if you wanted to change the template pic to #4 in the gallery, the red cross with blue ichthys, and editor Gryffindor agrees. There's been to much talk on this and I'd rather we just pick a pic and be done with it. Thanks for your great contributions to this template pic discussion. Peace, Wikibojopayne (talk) 04:03, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

• I wondered if you had any response to my response? ╟─TreasuryTag►stannator─╢ 16:52, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

• That's how Twinkle does it. Take it up there. ╟─TreasuryTag►stannator─╢ 16:39, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Names and titles of Jesus in the New Testament

In the past you've had discussions with an IP editor who added many entries to the Names and titles of Jesus in the New Testament article. The issue has come up again, and is being discussed at Talk:Names and titles of Jesus in the New Testament#Over 100 names/titles of Jesus deleted! Your views would be appreciated. Jayjg 05:18, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Nomination of Hos-Hostigos for deletion

A discussion has begun about whether the article Hos-Hostigos, which you created or to which you contributed, should be deleted. While contributions are welcome, an article may be deleted if it is inconsistent with Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines for inclusion, explained in the deletion policy.

The article will be discussed at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Hos-Hostigos until a consensus is reached, and you are welcome to contribute to the discussion.

You may edit the article during the discussion, including to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Sadads (talk) 21:16, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Floyd

I'm not disagreeing with you on that, but the rules state (WP:V, WP:OR and WP:RS) that it would need to be reliably sourced to be included. Gran 09:39, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Mary

I removed the comma because it looked like this: "that worshipped Mary, as a goddess".. I removed the comma so it said "that worshipped Mary as a goddess". I put Virgin Mary because that is her most common name, and i included the link so people who do not know who she was can click on it. Anyway, the article's entry looks fine now. --Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 22:52, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Etymology

I didn´t use real as res or thing; this is an interpretation that can be made. But anyway here I was referring EL: IS(IS) -- RA -- EL. Do you the meaning of EL? As for goddess IFRI: means CAVE and the worship of the afra people for this goddess; the same for Reitia who is a potnia theron and the Venetic language meaning the worship of Venus, thus Venice. Lorynote (talk) 15:35, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

I am certainly not an expertise and I don´t plan to include none of these, I only mentioned a goddess related website. As for Venus (venice) and goddess Ifri (Africa)? Lorynote (talk) 16:00, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Prohibitionists and scorching byclists

I've removed the archive box and restored the headers on the refdesk - there was no reason that I could see to close the thread on the Mikado, and also you changes made navigation harder. DuncanHill (talk) 13:21, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Copyedit

Thanks! I can never see obvious errors after Ive just made them. Cheers Victuallers (talk) 17:22, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Check out my editing of History!

You wrote something on the Trinity page's discussion page, in regards to editing the history section. I shrunk it down significantly, check it out. I'm thinking about adding some information about the Pneumatomachi vs. Cappadocians there.Glorthac (talk) 05:58, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

UTF-8 with > 6 bytes/char allows BOM sequence to appear?_6_bytes/char_allows_BOM_sequence_to_appear?-2010-12-06T16:53:00.000Z">

I'm not convinced. First, you need > 7 bytes to get 0xFF in codes. Second, 0xFF and 0xFE could not appear adjacent to each other in any case: they appear only as lead bytes of multi-character sequences and therefore wouldn't they be separated by continuation bytes or bytes < 128? -- Elphion (talk) 16:53, 6 December 2010 (UTC)_6_bytes/char_allows_BOM_sequence_to_appear?"> _6_bytes/char_allows_BOM_sequence_to_appear?">

Still not convinced. I've added a topic on talk:UTF-8. -- Elphion (talk) 14:51, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Now you're removing material information without solid references. Please discuss on talk:UTF-8. -- Elphion (talk) 15:30, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Since you've responded on my talk page, I've continued my discussion there. -- Elphion (talk) 17:49, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Article Yahweh

I don't advise you get involved in this, but there's a certain horrific fascination in the storm that's brewing over at Yahweh - appropriate for a "storm god". Personally I'm watching with amusement, which might not be the noblest of reactions, but saves me getting ulcers. 23:51, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

I forgot to tell you why I'm telling you this: YHWH might get dragged in. PiCo (talk) 23:52, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Tetragrammaton

Thanks for the note. My reason for the edit was largely because the existing section had no source - I imagine it's all accurate, but I thought it would be good to base the information on a scholarly source, and the DDD is a dictionary and therefore not trying to advance any particular view (probably).

As for the difference between HWY and HWY, in the DDD one of the Hs has a dot under it and the other doesn't. If this were Arabic one of them would represent the letter known as heh, which is the H sound we have in English, and the other (the one with the dot I guess) would be "hard" H, which we don't have. I don't speak/read Hebrew but I imagine it has the same two sounds. (And that's also why I didn't include Hebrew script).

Anyway, I'll leave it to you - have a look at the DDD article and see if you think it's useful (it's more detailed than our existing para, which I think is a good thing). PiCo (talk) 23:32, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Don't fear, I'm not in the least insulted by having my deficiencies pointed out. I defer to you entirely. But do have a look at DDD's entry and see if it's useful. PiCo (talk) 01:52, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Greek Merchant Navy flag.svg

This is what I am referring to. As you can see, the fact that your version has the cross and the blue field as separate objects creates a small gap between the two when the image is made smaller than its original size. This does not appear in my version, since the two are merged. --Philly boy92 (talk) 21:08, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

You can call it any color you like, but the fact is it is created by the white background on the canton. The reason why the cross was merged with the blue background in the first place was so that the bug that creates a small gap between the cross and the background does not happen. By reverting to an older version, you bring back a design that is actually faulty, despite your coding, when compared to the newer one. --Philly boy92 (talk) 09:34, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Buellton, California

Hi, I was under the impression that businesses are only added as external links if the business is the subject of the article. If this restaurant is of historical significance than it should be mentioned in text with an appropiate reference, not an external link. With no other mention, a stand alone external link to a business looks like a commercial external link which is why I removed it. I'm not familiar with the restaurant, but is the business itself notable enough for its own article? As for the advertisment comment, I meant no disrespect to anyone. An external link to a business in a city article comes across as an advertisement. Cmr08 (talk) 00:33, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I jumped too quick. I always check the talk page before removing anything, just in case it has already been discussed, but I forgot to check and now see this has been discussed in the past. The site does have an about us section, which I suspect would discuss the significance of the business and would probably be a more appropiate link than the business itself since the commercial aspect is being bypassed. I have seen links like that in the past, so it might be worth checking out. Cmr08 (talk) 00:49, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Polemical terminology on article Kerli

What do you mean? Occupation of the Baltic states: "The occupation of the Baltic states was the occupation sui generis of the three Baltic states: Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania by the Soviet Union..." This is what Kerli's article is referring to, why would it be written any different? ►Scarce◄ 20:19, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

I still don't understand. She was born during the Soviet occupation of Estonia, no? It ended in 1991, when she was four years old, no? Are you saying it's not noteworthy? Not a lot of pop musicians were born during any Soviet occupation, and she frequently discusses the impact the Soviet occupation had on her childhood, hence making it noteworthy. ►Scarce◄ 01:51, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Gynocracy DRV

In view of these contributions, please comment at Gynocracy DRV if you haven't already. thanks. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 17:18, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Lee Hong-koo

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