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the claim that there was a Greek elite installed at Troy in the 13th century is almost mainstream (see Alaksandus). Not "accepted", but "possible, no problem". Since it is undisputed that Greeks were all over the place by 1400 BC, and widely accepted that there may have been a Ionic-Mycenean split by that time, this goes nowhere towards establishing Ionians in the 3rd millennium, let alone the early 3rd millennium. Keep the claims separate. "Greeks were in Troy", fine. "Ionians in 3000 BC", different animal. dab (ᛏ) 13:28, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

But what Faucounau really cares about is that Ionians were in the Aegean in 1700 BC or so, so that his decipherment is not impossible. The business about 2900 BC is intended to prove that - and enlist the archaeo-astronomers in his cause.Septentrionalis 15:29, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Sources for the Ionian-Mycenaean split by then? If this is mainstream, the linguistic argument may be reducible to a cross-reference. Septentrionalis 15:35, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

If I've correctly understood J.F.'s theory, the 13th century Troy would be a city populated by a mixed population : Luwians and descendents of the Proto-Ionians, with double names : Pâris (Luwian)/ Alexandros (Greek). This view is, of course, against the mainstream, thinking that Alexandros/Alexandus would be an Achaean/Mycenaean from the "Akhijawa kingdom". J.F's arguments are : 1)-none of the Hittite Tablets related to Akhijawans mentions "Wilusa" -- the Hittite tablets mentioning "Wilusa" mention also "Lazpa" -- but as W. Lamb in Thermi has written, there has been no Mycenaeans in Lesbos, contrary to Samos, Rhodes, Miletos, etc. To solve this riddle, some, as J.Freu, have been as far as denying that Lazpa = Lesbos (See RANT 1-2004)., in order to keep the equation : Alexandus = an Achaean king. 2)- Almost no Mycenaean pottery has been found at Troy before Troy VIIa, i.e. after the conquest of the city by the Achaeans. Well, the Alexandus Treaty was signed before that !... 3)- Apollon was the Alexandus' God. There is no god of this name in the Linear B tablets. (User 80.90.57.154, 17:10, 3 March 200§)