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Nominations

Billy Hathorn articles

I'm pulling a few articles by Billy Hathorn from the queue while they get checked for close paraphrasing, and putting them in this section. Gatoclass (talk) 15:26, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

• ... that Louisiana State Rep. Ricky Templet remained behind in 2005 to help law-enforcement groups in the Hurricane Katrina recovery effort?
•   Ricky Templet – Billy Hathorn (give) (tag)

• I'm failing the above article because it contains a considerable amount of close paraphrasing. Haven't looked at the other two yet. Gatoclass (talk) 12:57, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

• ... that the American filmmaker and special effects artist John R. Ellis was once tutored by C. C. Beck, creator of the Captain Marvel comic books?

• ... that Louisiana politician Mike Futrell served two tours of duty on nuclear submarines near the end of the Cold War and won a Bronze Star in the Iraq War in 2006?
•   Mike Futrell – Billy Hathorn (give) (tag)

•   John R. Ellis – Billy Hathorn (give) (tag)

Older nominations

Articles created/expanded on July 8

Shinyo Maru Incident

• ... that the World War II commander of the Japanese tanker SS Shinyo Maru (pictured) told POWs held on his ship that he would order the guards to kill them if the Allies fired upon the ship?

Created by $1LENCE D00600D (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 12:27, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Comment: But murdering POWs was routine for the Japanese. What was their reaction to the Hiroshima bomb? Take the surviving POW, and kill him in the street. They probably didn't tie him up with barbed wire first, at least, so he got off lucky. Varlaam (talk) 21:08, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

The Japanese in World War II made the Nazis look like the Care Bears. Varlaam (talk)

The article is fine, inline sources check out, but I am concerned that the sources make it abundantly clear the Japanese commander (who is unidentified) did not tell the prisoners anything, nor under the conditions described is it likely he would. The survivors say the first thing they knew was when troops threw grenades on them moments before the torpedoes hit. They did not have any information, it would appear, about anything outside the hold where they were crammed together. The hook has to stick to the fact that the prisoners were massacred, and not suggest this unsupported movie-like scene of the commander addressing the prisoners. That is more than enough for a good DYK. So, I suggest,

• ALT1: ... that 687 Allied prisoners of war on board the Japanese "hell ship" SS Shinyo Maru (pictured), were massacred by Japanese troops when it came under torpedo attack during WWII, with only 82 survivors. Alawa (talk) 16:30, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

it now has a merge tag. This should be reconciled asap. PumpkinSky talk 20:14, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Hook fact appears cited to an online and an offline source, but is not supported -- is even contradicted -- by the online source (as pointed out above by Alawa). Also, the two Eugene Mazza sources contain the same text, so only one or the other should be used. Finally, an awful lot of this seems to hang on Mazza's article, which, while it seems reliable, may not meet our standards for a reliable source. cmadler (talk) 17:01, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Brittany Pierce

• ... that the writers of the television show Glee use cheerleader Brittany Pierce to say things none of the other characters would?

HorrorFan121 (talk) 01:08, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

• Linked the show for you. Manxruler (talk) 08:53, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

• Is the following quote the support for the hook above? "I think they have a lot of fun doing it too, that's why they do it, because they think it's just so funny to have my character say the things that I say that nobody else would. They decided that this girl is going to be literally insane and she's going to say anything she wants to." If so I think you are bending the meaning a bit.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 08:00, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1:... that on the television show Glee, humorous lines spoken by cheerleader Brittany Pierce are sometimes unscripted, and are instead devised during filming or improvised in performance.

  I've tried to save this nom; does the ALT1 hook work? I must admit I've never watched the show. --EncycloPetey (talk) 15:28, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

  • I can not verify the hook in the source.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:42, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Performance psychology

• ... that performance psychology has evolved for years from various segments of applied psychology?

Created by WheelsDudley (talk). Self nom at 15:45, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

• Can you kindly put the hook's message across in a shorter and concise format? Thanks. - AnakngAraw (talk) 01:42, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

This has not been expanded 5x. Sorry. If you can then, will be reviewed again by me or another editor. Thanks. - AnakngAraw (talk) 01:54, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Author of article is trying to expand the article, but he/she placed it in the article's talk page. Author might need assistance because it seems he/she is a new Misplaced Pages contributor/editor. - AnakngAraw (talk) 02:11, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Tweaked hook by putting q-mark. Seems like 5x expanded. Original expander seems to be adding more to article. On my part, copyedited the article, the best I can given my availability. Need another editor to review and polish this article that is being expanded by a relatively new Wikipedian. - AnakngAraw (talk) 03:23, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Has potential. - AnakngAraw (talk) 03:25, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Please cite your hook in the article. - AnakngAraw (talk) 03:27, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

• comment: DYK check says 5* expanded since 14 July. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:35, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

I am just wondering as to the status of my DYK - I have cited the sources as you have requested and would like to to know if I need to make additional changes or has it been approved. Also what happens with the information that other people had posted already on the page? It doesn't mix well with the what I have revised. Do I copy my information under their information? My instructor has a time scheudle that we are suppose to get this accomplished for a grade. Sorry for the rush. This is my first time with Misplaced Pages and I am not sure of the process (WheelsDudley (talk) 19:15, 20 July 2011 (UTC))

Still lacking in sources (a couple paragraphs are completely unsourced) and there are quite a few formatting issues, including how the references are written and a broken section header. Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:47, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback. Is there anything else that I would need to do before it will be approved? (WheelsDudley (talk) 16:55, 21 July 2011 (UTC))

Referencing still needs work, and I am worried about the non-encyclopedic tone of the article. Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:11, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 10

Leal Garcia v. Texas

• ... that the court case Leal Garcia v. Texas, was a recent case in which the Supreme Court of the United States denied Humberto Leal Garcia, Jr.'s application for stay of execution and application for writ of habeas corpus?

--BabbaQ (talk) 16:51, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

• Dull hook. The Supreme Court denies many habeas petitions each term. Daniel Case (talk) 04:31, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

• I have nominated this for deletion because this is not an actual Supreme Court case. Denial of a habeas petition is refusal to hear a case. This is not a Supreme Court case. OCNative (talk) 08:24, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

I voted strong keep. And seeing how that AfD is going, I suggest you consider withdrawing it as it's a likely snowball keep at this point, so you'll save some administrator the time.

You are also wrong. Denying certiorari on the case, i.e. deciding not to hear it, would make it (at least as a Supreme Court case) non-notable for our purposes (as noted at the AfD as well as by myself above, the Supremes do exactly that many times each term). But when they call the lawyers in for oral argument, read their briefs (or, usually, have their clerks summarize said briefs and the case file) and then issue an opinion that some of them dissent from, it's a Supreme Court case whether they deny the petition or not. Daniel Case (talk) 18:28, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

• I agree that the hook is dull. The hook needs to state why the denial of this petition is unique. Location (talk) 02:58, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

AfD has been closed, with no surprise as Keep.--BabbaQ (talk) 12:28, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

• ALT 1,

• ... that the court case Leal Garcia v. Texas concerned Mexican Humberto Leal Garcia who had been convicted of the 1994, rape, torture, and murder of Adria Sauceda in San Antonio, Texas?--BabbaQ (talk) 12:28, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Here is an alternative hook.--BabbaQ (talk) 12:29, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

• Erm... not that interesting either, I'm afraid. Perhaps something like "ALT2: ... that the United States Supreme Court's dismissal of a prisoner's request spawned a dissenting opinion and critical commentary from legal experts and diplomats?" Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:36, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Well your one isnt any better actually but I dont care if we publish alt 1 or 2.. so that is up to the publishing user. But that is OK--BabbaQ (talk) 14:06, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Expedition of Usama bin Zayd

• ... that Muhammad died on 8 June 632, a day after he ordered the Expedition of Usama bin Zayd?

Created by User:Misconceptions2 (talk). Self nom at 00:11, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

I am not sure if it is suitable to call the "Expedition of Usama bin Zayd", the "Invasion of Palestine", like this invasion of Palestine. But still linking to the Expedition of Usama bin Zayd? Any suggestions?--Misconceptions2 (talk) 00:20, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Tagged as possibly being POV. Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:01, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

The article currently has a POV tag ("10 Rules of Abu Bakr" section marked as undue weight). User:Al-Andalusi has also added {{Hadith authenticity}} three times, with article creator Misconceptions2 immediately removing it each time. This article is not in a suitable state for the Main Page. cmadler (talk) 17:12, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 11

Burrough Hill

• ... that Burrough Hill, an Iron Age hillfort in England, contains over 400 maculae?

• Reviewed: Mark Mendelblatt ()
• Comment: Absence of wikilink for macula is deliberate so that readers might follow the Burrough Hill link to find out more.

5x expanded by Nev1 (talk). Self nom at 15:28, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

• The length is fine, as is the hook (although I see no point in not linking macula, since readers will want to know what it means). The problem comes with the date. The bulk of the expansion was done more than five days before listing here. It is, appropriately, listed under July 11, but was added here on July 18. By my reading of the rules, that would make it too late to qualify. I would welcome a second opinion on this, and will gladly pass the article if I'm being too strict on this point. It's certainly of high enough quality, but it doesn't seem to be recent enough. --Stemonitis (talk) 08:32, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
• Comment: DYK is for recently created or (substantially) expanded articles. The rules are that they are to be submitted within 5 days. There is some wiggle room, but it for exceptions, such as if there are so few nominations, that DYK is hard up for articles, or the topic is very important and warrants inclusion on the main page, or perhaps where someone is very new, worked very hard and submitted a day or two late. There has been a lot of abuse of the flexibility, which has the result of nullifying the 5-day rule. Either the rule is 5 days or it isn't. If it isn't, if it's 8 or more, the whole concept of DYK starts to come into question. In this case, the nominator has almost double the number of DYK articles that I have, not to mention way more experience with WP, so I'm inclined to say that this should be nixed on the lateness of the nom. Marrante (talk) 10:23, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

• You suggest penalising DYK because I've been too busy to list an article? Curious logic. You're looking at a 1,500 word, 21-reference article written within two days (edits after the 12th of July were generally minor). If many articles of that stage of development come through this place, then I suppose you do have the luxury of turning this one down. As for "the whole concept of DYK into question" this situation has already been covered by rule D9: "Five days old" really means about eight days in Swahili :) . That is, if your article was created or expanded after the oldest date listed in Template talk:Did you know#Older nominations, it may still be approved. However, the five-day rule may be strictly enforced, especially if there is a large backlog of hooks. Seems reviewers are encouraged to work within the spirit of the rules rather than the letter; it cannot be disputed that this article was created recently. Nev1 (talk) 13:51, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Claymont Court

• ... that Claymont mansion, built by George Washington's grand-nephew, was at one time the largest house in West Virginia and is now used as a spiritual retreat center?

5x expanded by ArchonMeld (talk). Self nom at 15:49, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

• Nice hook but the article has only two citations, none of which are in the body.--NortyNort (Holla) 12:48, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

• Actually, all the body is derived from the two older books in the References section, but I do not have exact page numbers right for reference. Are these needed? ArchonMeld (talk) 15:59, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
• Yes please! In-line citations, even if we have to take them on good-faith, are necessary. Panyd 15:57, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Bob Hensgens

• ... that when he was a small town mayor, Louisiana State Rep. Bob Hensgens cut his pay to provide raises to police officers?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 15:45, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

ALT:... that Louisiana State Rep. Bob Hensgens once paid part of the filing fee for his opponent?

Reviewed Anna Eliot Ticknor

A number of problems here.

1. Sourcing is poor. What is JMC Enterprises ("Win with JMC") and why are they a reliable source? What is "Tea Party Cheer" and how do we know that they are accurately reprinting the Tea Party of Louisiana press release? Can you find a better source than an unauthenticated personal Facebook page which supposedly belongs to the subject? "Louisiana Secretary of State, Legislative Special Election, April 30, 2011" is not a citation that allows readers to find this information.
2. Article needs cleanup to keep it focused. Irrelevant information (such as "In 1964, the first two Republicans since Reconstruction took their seats in the lower chamber of the Louisiana Legislature, having represented Caddo Parish in far northwestern Louisiana. The GOP now has a majority of the seats in the chamber" and the end of Dupuis's term) need to be removed and lengthy quotes cut down.

This article could well be suitable for DYK, but these problems must be addressed first. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 18:19, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Also, we need a better source for the statement in the hook that Hensgens cut his pay to give police officers a pay raise - a press release from the Tea Party won't do, we need a newspaper or perhaps a government document. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 18:28, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Corrections made. Billy Hathorn (talk) 19:46, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Some but not all. You're still citing the TP of Louisiana's endorsement to TeaPartyCheer when it would be better to cite either to a news source or to the TP's own website, and we still don't know if WinWithJMC is a reliable source (bring it to WP:RSN, please), but I guess I could still approve it with those being the case; however, you're still missing a reliable source for the hook fact re: police (and for the bit about balancing the budget). LouisianaConservative is obviously an agenda blog rather than a news source and TheDeadPelican source is just a press release. Also, the manifesto ("pro-life pro-gun" whatever) is not in the cited source. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 16:08, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

• Since several recent articles submitted by this user have been found to include examples of close paraphrasing, all his submissions will need to be thoroughly checked against their sources before being promoted. Gatoclass (talk) 15:04, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 12

Messiah Part II

• ... that in Handel's Messiah, Part II contains the famous Hallelujah Chorus (pictured) and the oratorio's longest movement, the Air for alto He was despised?

5x expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 20:44, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

• reviewed: #Macellum of Pozzuoli - please note, that the "overview" is not really part of this article, but common for Part I and III also, the "expansion" is the section "Part II movements", all new. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:12, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

DYKCheck does not show a 5x expansion, and the date of creation is on July 5, after the 5 day limit. Referencing in a few sections, such as the second paragraph in the overview, needs work. Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:19, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

• I would accept but. I wish the reviewing history for Part III and Part I was still here, which both appeared yesterday. I will look for it but don't have time now. So for the moment just compare the articles. The Overview section is the same for all three, therefore should not be counted for the expansion, DYK check doesn't know that, smile. I couldn't manage to expand them all three one day, smiling more. I will work on the refs a bit more, but again, not now, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:14, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
• I improved the referencing and added further, not for DYK but to make an important article as good as I can. Reviewing history of Part I (moved by you) and, more interesting, Part III. Please note that a reference to the Wikisource should be even better than an inline citation. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:47, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

• I congratulate you on improving the article a bit. Although a link to Wikisource is fine as an addendum, I do not think Wikisource could be considered a reliable source for the same reason that Misplaced Pages isn't. Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:44, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

• In general you are right. In this specific case: Wikisource has the location of a bible text, and clicking on the position you get this very text and can verify that these are indeed the words used in the composition, which you can compare to the the scores. I call that reliable, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:15, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

• Impressive. Good luck with improving the article. However, the time between the creation and nomination of the article still precludes me from passing to the nom. Sorry. Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:22, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

• Article history: this article had 3215 chars readable prose on 12 July. But: that was not "this article", just an overview, common with Part I and Part III. All new is the expansion done since, now 15582 chars, so new 123xx chars. If not you, perhaps someone else can see that? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:54, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

I can verify 5x expansion can now be shown, with expansion starting on the 12th. I still have qualms with the referencing, so I will defer the final decision to another editor. Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:04, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

It is not clear to me what exactly the problem with sourcing is. Wikisource, as far as I can see, is not actually cited as a source, it is merely linked to. Ucucha 13:49, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

The Part II movements section has some parts which are entirely unreferenced. If I am not mistaken, it is generally expected that a DYK article has at least one citation per paragraph except for plot summaries. Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:56, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Isn't that section essentially equivalent to a plot summary? Ucucha 14:00, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

I would not be sure. As far as I remember, a movement is like a part of an orchestral work which has a similar rhythm and theme. I am not an expert on classical music. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:05, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

• I am back. Quote from the review of part III (linked above): "I agree that a few more things should be cited (or the Overview could be shrunk). But WP:NOR should not apply to a simple description of facts obvious to a music-reader, any more than it is OR to name the colors in a painting or describe the slope of a graph. We should be able to extrapolate from the exceptions made in WP:NOR for Misplaced Pages:Nor#Translations_and_transcriptions and routine calculations. Sharktopus 01:28, 19 July 2011 (UTC)" Added to this quote: On purpose every movement has its own heading, to be able to link to it from other articles by movement#, one such link is Hallelujah chorus. Every movement (level4) could have its own bible quotation from Wikisource (see the table at Messiah structure#Part II), but if it is the same for several in a row I put it to the "scene" (level3), feeling that it's holding up the prose. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:20, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

That makes a bit of sense, although I still feel unclear on this issue. As such, I leave it to another editor to approve/disapprove the hook. Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:10, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

I ask Classical music to verify the article. Members of the project checked already Parts I and III. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:16, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

In response, Graham87 checked the article. I also left a note on the project page and a personal one with Michael Bednarek, who worked on the Christmas Oratorio, among others. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:07, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

I agree with the above quote by Sharktopus. Statements of instrumentation, quotations from the libretto, etc. need not be cited, as they are sourced to the score in the same way that the plot summary for a book or movie is considered sourced to the book or movie itself. Interpretations do need to be cited, and it generally appears to me that they are. (I have not, however, confirmed that sources actually support the statements they are used to cite, nor that the sources cited are reliable.) cmadler (talk) 14:51, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

I guess I'll AGF this, as it doesn't seem that WikiProject Classical Music didn't see any problems. As noted above, length and whatnot check out. Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:29, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Ostrzanin Uprising

• ... that the Ostrzanin Uprising was a 1638 Zaporozhian Cossack uprising against the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth sparked by a Sejm act declaring non-Registered Cossacks equal to ordinary peasants in their rights?

5x expanded by Ajh1492 (talk). Self nom at 18:16, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

• Article was expanded from a redirect, but it must still meet the 1500 prose character minimum. It currently has only 1242. See WP:DYKcheck for a prose counting tool. I have not checked anything else about the article. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 00:34, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

I have added additional material that brings it well over 1500 prose characters. Ajh1492 (talk) 20:53, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

• Article is now long enough, but the article needs a thorough copyedit. There are numerous punctuation errors, and there are non-English words used without any explanation of their meaning. These words need to either be translated or be glossed with an explanation. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:28, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

I did a copy edit of the article, linked some of the terms and asked for help with the translation of the quote (I can only translate about 2/3 of it). However, the article still needs inline citations.Volunteer Marek (talk) 21:52, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Any chance of an Alt tagline? The one above is very wordy. Panyd 15:59, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Superman: Deadly Legacy, Superman and Wonder Woman - the Hidden Killer, Batman: Death of Innocents

• ... that Superman: Deadly Legacy, Superman and Wonder Woman – the Hidden Killer, and Batman: Death of Innocents are humanitarian comic books against landmines?

Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 00:43, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

• The article I reviewed, other than my own nomination, is Homo sapiens (novel).- AnakngAraw (talk) 11:06, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

• Bolding the third article (Batman: Death of Innocents), which I have expanded further based on available refs. So this is now a triple nomination, instead of just a double-nom. Thanks. - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:37, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

• I am having trouble verifying that the sources are valid WP:RSs. psywarrior.com is almost certainly not. comicbookrevolution.net may be, but I can not verify this. For Superman: the Deadly Legacy, you have a valid NYT reference. What about the others?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:28, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
• P.S. The State Department publication does not explicitly name any comic books, but makes general reverences to characters. This is not sufficient.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:34, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Dougie (dance)

• ... that Michelle Obama performed the Dougie dance to promote her Let's Move! campaign?

Created by LittleT889 (talk). Self nom at 23:25, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

• Is it possible to rewrite the "In popular culture" section? Currently, it's not even in chronological order. Nor does it explain who Glen "Big Baby" Davis and Nate Robinson are, without clicking the links to read more. John Wall, Braylon Edwards, Bruno Mars, Wolf Blitzer, and Michelle Obama are probably the only occurences that are truly notable. The circumstances of the other performances of this dance are trivial at best, and could be summed up by saying that the move is widespread in the sports world, as is the theme of the article you're sourcing. -- Zanimum (talk) 00:12, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
• Also, is it best classified a hip-hop dance? There's no genre listed in the intro. I've added an image I found on Flickr, the only free licensed work that appears when I search CC content for "dougie dance". Is this indeed representative? -- Zanimum (talk) 00:18, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

• Much as there might be scope to improve the article, it meets all DYK critera. Hook verified by sources and article created on the 12th at 1700~ characters. Good to go! Panyd 16:02, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Gordon Dove (Louisiana politician)

• ... that Louisiana State Rep. Gordon Dove has targeted his state's barrier islands to halt coastal erosion as a defense against hurricanes?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 18:54, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

• date and size ok, I wish we could tweak the hook a bit. As it reads it is ambiguous as it doesn't say what he proposes for the islands he is targeting... Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:28, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
• PS - need to reword a bit to distance wording from source. I can't think of a way to equate "careen" with something else, nor "north-south corridor", "raise awareness of the importance" should be doable Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:58, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed: Wicklow Way

• Since several recent articles submitted by this user have been found to include examples of close paraphrasing, all his submissions will need to be thoroughly checked against their sources before being promoted. Gatoclass (talk) 15:05, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Anal people

• ... that Anal people have their own language?

Created by Crisco 1492 (talk). Self nom at 11:08, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

• Review to follow. May be nice to save for April Fools. Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:08, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
• ALT1 ... that anal people have their own language?
• ALT1 is for if we go the April Fool's route. Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:10, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed: Jacques Seligmann & Company (diff) Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:32, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Oh please, please, save this for April Fools. Is there any chance that we can get this to fixed up to featured status? -- Zanimum (talk) 00:20, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Not for this year, but there is a bit more information in the sources that I did not use (funeral customs and whatnot). Non-Indian sources on the Anal are hard to find. Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:30, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Agreed, now that I've had a chance to look at things. -- Zanimum (talk) 23:51, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

• I don't think it's appropriate for Misplaced Pages to make juvenile puns on the name of a people. Ucucha 13:37, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
  • For April Fools, we have had stuff like Batman (a province) being half female and whatnot. Most of the April Fools hooks play on puns. With the proper capitalization (i.e. the original hook), we could make a sound argument that we did not mean anything related to the anus. (Side note: anybody want to expand Anus language?) Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:54, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
    • Past errors are no excuse to repeat them, and I think puns on "anal" are more offensive than those on "Batman" (which seem mainly silly). The name of a people is a major part of that people's heritage, and joking about it on the front page of what should be a serious encyclopedia is inappropriate. Ucucha 00:58, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

• Well, almost any hook we write will wind up being read as a pun. For example:

ALT2: ... that Anal people wear a basket around their waist every day?

ALT3: ... that the Anal have their own language?

ALT4: ... that the Anal refer to themselves as the Pakan?

ALT5: ... that Anal people may have to pay a fine when divorcing?

ALT6: ... that the Anal are not vegetarians?

That's just the way the human mind works, methinks. Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:20, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm in agreement that it's a bit offensive, but also in agreement that this would be perfect to save for April Fools. --Elonka 02:18, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 13

Bystry Canal

• ... that the Bystry Canal is a feeder canal for the Augustów Canal in north-eastern Poland built in 1834-1835 to release excess water into Sanjo Lake?

Created by Ajh1492 (talk). Self nom at 22:39, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

• Looks good. I'm AGF about the references in Polish. --Jsayre64 (talk) 19:08, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Is there anything more... hooky? Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:33, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

There are several paragraphs without any refs. --PFHLai (talk) 20:01, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Crisco caught this problem, I'm just adding the icon. Hooks along the lines of "... that this canal is a canal" should not be featured. Hooks need to express something interesting, not just give a simple definition or a bunch of uninteresting details. rʨanaɢ (talk) 00:55, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Sarah Dixon (sternwheeler)

• ... that after the Sarah Dixon steamboat launched in 1892, it was involved in collisions in 1894 and 1898, reconstructed in 1906, immobilized in freezing water in 1909, and suffered an explosion in 1912?

• ALT1:... that although a court found Sarah Dixon not guilty of drowning a man in 1898, nine people fled four miles from her in 1912 to seek help after three of their colleagues were killed?
• Comment: ALT1 is only meant to be used if reviewers think this should be saved for the April Fool's Day DYK.

Created by Mtsmallwood (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 06:51, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

• Nice article - references, length etc are fine. Regarding ALT1, I agree that it would make a good April Fool's piece, but that is rather a long time away! Are you sure that you would want to wait that long for it to appear? Prioryman (talk) 07:19, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

• I'm fine with waiting eight and a half months until April Fool's, if people think that ALT1 is worthy of April Fool's. OCNative (talk) 07:29, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Prehistoric Lepidoptera

• ... that the extinct Eocene butterfly Prodryas persephone (pictured) from the Florissant Fossil Beds is considered to be the best preserved fossil lepidopteran discovered to date?

• ALT1:... that fossil lepidopterans (pictured) indicate that the ancestors of butterflies and moths are related to caddisflies?

Created by Ruigeroeland (talk), Obsidian Soul (talk), Kevmin (talk). Nominated by AshLin (talk) at 03:48, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed : General Johnson saving a Wounded French Officer from the Tomahawk of a North American Indian

Length looks good, as does the date. Online sources check out. However, could you fix the somewhat bare URLs? Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:50, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Links appear to have been fixed. I say ready for takeoff (though preferably with the first hook). Panyd 16:07, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

I'll say. Good work. Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:32, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

General Johnson Saving a Wounded French Officer from the Tomahawk of a North American Indian

• ... that Benjamin West's painting of General Johnson Saving a Wounded French Officer from the Tomahawk of a North American Indian (detail pictured) is in Derby Museum?

• Reviewed: Rzeczpospolita Polska (magazine)

Created by Fanfwah (talk). Nominated by Victuallers (talk) at 21:53, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

• New, adequate length, hook cited, article suitably referenced, free image. Good to go. AshLin (talk) 04:13, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
• Catchier hook may be considered as an alt. AshLin (talk) 04:13, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Part of the Multi-lingual Wright challenge, written in French first. Our editors are here Victuallers (talk) 21:00, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

great, but I am afraid the main hook is too dull and does need a more interesting alternative. Materialscientist (talk) 13:33, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

ALT1 ... that General Johnson Saving a Wounded French Officer from the Tomahawk of a North American Indian provides one of only two known contemporary pictures of the British Light Infantrymen?

Like this? Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:40, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Very interesting, but can we have a reliable reference for this strong fact. I'm not sure ref. 6 is such a ref. and that it really means any British Light Infantrymen - I think it means only those who fought in New York (?). Whatever the hook, please rectify this in the article. Materialscientist (talk) 03:53, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Hmm... I don't know if it is strong enough either. Not sure about the site, either. Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:17, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

The source seems to mean "British Light Infantrymen for the French and Indian War period" and I have rectified the French and English articles accordingly. I think the source is rather reliable, although not academic, because finding contempory images is a true concern for reenactors. But I agree it does not make a very strong hook. Fanfwah (talk) 22:26, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

• ..(alt2). that Benjamin West's painting of General Johnson during the French and Indian War (detail pictured) shows Baron Dieskau just before he was to have been scalped?

• Is it nit-picking to point out that the source doesn't actually mention scalping? Panyd 16:11, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

• (alt3) ... that Benjamin West's painting of General Johnson Saving a Wounded French Officer from the Tomahawk of a North American Indian contrasts against Johnson's "White Savage" reputation? Fanfwah (talk) 22:26, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
• (alt4) ... that Benjamin West's painting of General Johnson Saving a Wounded French Officer from the Tomahawk of a North American Indian contrasts against young George Washington's supposed passivity in the Jumonville affair? Fanfwah (talk) 22:39, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Landguard Manor

• ... that the Landguard Manor was a constant host to Riflemen of the 60th and Riflemen Brigade?

Created by Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 04:02, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Mallian Campaign

• Length, date and sourcing all check out. Cbl62 (talk) 21:34, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Rosie has nommed this above with another articles♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:14, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

• Dr.B: The other article needs more work and now has an under construction. Landguard Manor will be a stand alone. --Rosiestep (talk) 03:26, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

• What does the hook mean? The article could do with some tidying: the history of the site is confused and the adaptation from Pevsner awkward and contradictory. I wouldn't be sure the portrait by Thomas Lawrence is still in the drawing room unless you have a recent ref (the current cite for that fact is from 1888); likewise with the flora - a lot of species can disappear in a hundred years - and are you sure about Merrett? I've never heard of it and can't find any references to a Merrett plant, though it might have been a local name for a plant listed by Christopher Merret. Yomangani 12:16, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

• Alt 1: ... that the English numismatist and antiquarian, Charles Roach Smith was born at Landguard Manor in 1807? Panyd 16:32, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

George McGavin

• ... that entomologist, explorer, TV presenter and Wildscreen patron George McGavin appeared on the Richard & Judy show to cook and eat insects?

Created by Pigsonthewing (talk). Self nom at 12:02, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Hook fact needs a ref in the article; other than that we're good to go.--Epeefleche (talk) 17:27, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Fixed, sorry. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 22:33, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

I would appreciate another editor opining here, as the ref -- to the subject's own site, but I think that is OK for these purposes -- is a little unclear as to whether it means what the hook says. The quote in the subject site is "As well as studying insects George also eats them and has appeared on the Richard and Judy Show as the guest chef." While that may well imply that he ate the insects on the show, it wasn't completely clear to me ... hence my request for another editor's view. Best.--Epeefleche (talk) 22:53, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

While I don't see that as an issue, I'm happy to reword the hook if it's a blocker? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 21:59, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

• I think the hook fact is solidly meant in the cited source, and the claim of appearing on a TV show is not so extravagant that we'd need another source. However, it does bother me that the personal page of the subject of this biography article is cited 17 times, which accounts for more than half the citations in the article. --EncycloPetey (talk) 04:12, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
  • I think this (the citation for the hook, as well as most of the citations to McGavin's own website) fails Misplaced Pages:RS#Self-published and questionable sources as sources on themselves, specifically failing requirements 1, 2, and 5. cmadler (talk) 13:03, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
  • I've added additional references. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 23:59, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
    • I've done some minor cleanup, and also, per my previous assertion that McGavin's website is being inappropriately used as a citation, removed it. This leaves four uncited statements (which I've marked as such), including the proposed hook fact. cmadler (talk) 13:00, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
      • I'll discuss the removed refence on the article's talk page. however, all are now cited to third parties, including both the original and alternative hook proposals. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 17:25, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

• It's been 12 days now and we still don't have a reliable source to back up the hook. I'm putting this down as a no. Panyd 16:15, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
  • Premature, surely? Its only four hours since cmadler's comment and you've given me no time to respond or make further edits to the article. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 16:55, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
    • How about "... that entomologist, explorer, TV presenter and Wildscreen patron George McGavin enjoys eating insects, which he describes as "flying prawns"? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 17:12, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
      • I haven't looked at the article to evaluate the references, but the latest proposed hook is a classic case of trying to cram too many facts into the hook. Also, I think restoring your own nom after it was removed by a reviewer, without first raising the issue at WT:DYK, is pretty ethically questionable. rʨanaɢ (talk) 17:32, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
        • Well, I'm a DYK novice, so you could assume good faith about the restored nomination. If you don't like the alternative hook, drop "...which he describes as 'flying prawns'", or use the original, which is now referenced. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 17:36, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
          • The problem isn't so much that as the long list of professions at the beginning. You don't need to list everything he is; just "entomologist George McGavin" or something like that would have been fine. rʨanaɢ (talk) 00:35, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
      • I hate to be a pain in the backside but isn't an officialy biography on a corporate website edging pretty close to a primary source? Shoot me down if I'm wrong. Panyd 18:56, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
        • If you're referring to Jo Wander Managment, that's not just a corporate website, but what appears to be McGavin's talent agent. It's equivalent to sourcing it to his own website. I've removed it where it duplicates other citations; I'll defer to others as to whether the two remaining citations to that site require better sourcing. cmadler (talk) 19:44, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Horny House of Horror

• ... that pornographic actress Saori Hara was cast in the Japanese parody film Horny House of Horror?

Created by Andrzejbanas (talk). Self nom at 03:25, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Hook fact needs a citation directly after it; other than that we're good to go. Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:23, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

• • Also, nominator needs to review one. It seems s/he already has 5 DYKs. Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:33, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
    • Hi! I think I've completed the above. Is it good now? Andrzejbanas (talk) 11:00, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
      • Not yet; you should review another article. (I saw on your Talk Page that you have 5 or 6 DYK self-noms already). Near the top of the page there are many articles needing a review, which just need to be checked for length (1500 chars or more), completeness (no obviously missing things, like empty section), well-cited (minimum one cite per paragraph except lead and plot sections), hook fact cited directly (like you had to do), and if possible that the hook fact is in the source. Also, if you see anything really, really out of place (like a huge copy and paste quote) you should bring it up. Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:55, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
      • Why is it at all notable or interesting for DYK that a porn actress was cast in a porn film? To go on the main page, the hook needs to be more interesting/notable, no? NickDupree (talk) 01:15, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

• To quote the article, it is a "horror parody film" (probably like Scary Movie). That may need to be specified in the hook. Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:18, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

• I've altered the hook slightly but now it looks good to go! Panyd 16:19, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Not yet, nominator needs to review something. Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:34, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Kabardino-Balkar Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic

• ... that Joseph Stalin deported the Balkar people from the Kabardino-Balkar Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic on suspicions that they collaborated with Nazi Germany?

• Reviewed: Supercomputing in Japan (diff)
• Also reviewed: May 3rd Constitution Day (diff)

5x expanded by Σ (talk). Self nom at 02:38, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

• Sources and expansion check out. Well done! Panyd 16:22, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

• In the hook, can "the Kabardino-Balkar Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic" be shortened to "Kabardino-Balkar ASSR"? rʨanaɢ (talk) 17:34, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Fakfak

• ... that Fakfak is on the Bomberai?

5x expanded by Crisco 1492 (talk). Self nom at 01:28, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that Fakfak is home of the only Muslim Indian and Arab Indonesian population in West Papua?
• Review to follow Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:28, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
• Reviewed: Fokker FG-2 (diff) Crisco 1492 (talk) 17:37, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

If anyone has a good hook that plays on Fak <--> Fuck feel free to add it Crisco 1492 (talk) 17:37, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

How about ALT2 ... that Fakfak is now fighting against AIDS and depopulation? _morelMW 11:45, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Heh, I like the original hook, although it's not cited in the article. cmadler (talk) 17:38, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Hook fact for original now cited directly (at the end of the sentence) Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:39, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 14

Navlab

• ... that the Navlab autonomous and semi-autonomous vehicles from Carnegie Mellon University include "robot cars, vans, SUVs, and buses"?

Created by Chaosdruid (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 10:13, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

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• Obvious faults in prose, structure, formatting:Can you fix the links, School of Computer Science links to a Montreal university and Carnegie Mellon University links to a Pennsylvania university.♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:36, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

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Al ash-Sheikh

• ... that a power-sharing pact dating to 1744 has the Saudi royal family supporting the religious authority of the Al ash-Sheikh family, who in turn would support the political power of the House of Saud?

Created by DeCausa (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 05:36, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Date, length & citation verified. However, the hook exceeds 150 characters. Suggest:

• Alt 1: ... that the Saudi royal family and the religious leadership of the Al ash-Sheikh family provide mutual support under a pact dating from 1744?

- Fayenatic (talk) 12:36, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Tortrix destructus, Tortrix florissantana

• ... that the extinct moth species Tortrix? destructus and the much larger species Tortrix? florissantana have both been found in Florissant, Colorado and are 35 million years old?

• Reviewed: 1994 Offshore Sanriku earthquake ()

Created by Kevmin (talk). Nominated by Smokeybjb (talk) at 16:46, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

• It's good that you're documenting some extremely poorly known species like these, but I have some concerns. Why aren't the question marks in the article titles, if that is what they were named? Also, what is "revisions to the Eocene-Miocene boundary" supposed to mean? And where does the 35 million years figure comes from? In Engel (2003), I only see that the Florissant Formation is Eocene-Oligocene in age—not that it is exactly 35 mya. Perhaps they are Priabonian, but you need a source that actually says that. (Even when you do have such a source, the hook is rather bland. All fossils have been found somewhere and have some age, and there is nothing here that tells the reader why these particular species are special.) Ucucha 03:18, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

..(alt) ..}}... that there is no evidence that the moth species Tortrix destructus or the larger Tortrix florissantana have flown in the last 30 million years?

Twist the hook and remove question marks to try and help with a catchier? hook Victuallers (talk) 12:41, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Du Toit and Another v Minister of Welfare and Population Development and Others

• ... that same-sex couples in South Africa gained the right to adopt children jointly four years before they gained the right to marry?

Created by Htonl (talk). Self nom at 00:28, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Note: this is my first DYK nom, which is why I have not reviewed another nom. - htonl (talk) 00:32, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

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Cronaca Fiorentina, Baldassarre Bonaiuti

• ... that Cronaca Fiorentina (Chronicle of Florence) written by Baldassarre Bonaiuti (not schooled in reading or writing) is considered today as one of the best works written on the Black Death of Florence of 1348?

• Reviewed Hunter Greene (diff)--Doug Coldwell 18:38, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Created by Doug Coldwell (talk). Self nom at 18:24, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

• Alt1 - that Baldassarre Bonaiuti in his Cronaca Fiorentina (Chronicle of Florence) shows how family members just abandoned sick members during the Black Death of Florence in 1348?

Ref for ALT1 hook in article: excerpt from The Florentine Chronicle (c.1370-1380) "I'm going for the doctor."

Donde Quiera Que Estes

• ... that EMI Latin and SBK Records had wanted their artists to collaborate in a song to help boost each others fan base in different regions in the United States?

5x expanded by AJona1992. Self nom at 07:42, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

• Date and hook ok, offline ref accepted in good faith. Part of me thinks the song title should be in the hook in full rather than like the Easter egg it is now but I won't hold up the nom for it. You should also shorten the lead for this article, it's too long. — Hunter Kahn 14:41, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Note I don't know any other way to do an alternative. However, how about just saying the songs title instead of "in a song"? The reason why its big is because I wanted to follow WP:Lead and had several editors who had reviewed my articles that I wasn't following the rules on the lead. Thanks, AJona1992 (talk) 19:25, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Techno Cumbia

• ... that Techno Cumbia was believed to be the earliest forms of pop-cumbia-rap fusions?

5x expanded by AJona1992. Self nom at 07:42, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

• ref 20 is showing the base URL. Pls fix. Otherwise OK. PumpkinSky talk 12:57, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

• Note I have removed the URL from the template, simply because I couldn't find any way on fixing it. I don't know why that happened. Thanks, AJona1992 (talk) 18:17, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

per above and talk on user talk page.PumpkinSky talk 23:01, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

• The hook is badly formatted, and does not make sense. "Techno Cumbia" is the name of a song, not of a style of music. It is also extremely vague and uses weasl words; who believed this, and why is their opinion worthy of note? --EncycloPetey (talk) 15:15, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

According to Billboard magazine it is. AJona1992 (talk) 17:48, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

I've checked the cited source for this claim, but do not find it supported in the source. If I'm wrong, then please point out the quote from Billboard that supports the hook's claim. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:22, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes it is there, seems to me that you didn't read it (fully) at all. Please read Selena's spot on the article which is right next to Ricky Martin's ad for his album. Located near the bottom of the article. AJona1992 (talk) 14:47, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

In fact, I did read that bit, but it does not support the hook's claim. It says that "During her heydey, Selena established one of the early templates for pop-cumbia-rap fusions with her hit "Techno Cumbia"." The article calls the song a template for such fusions, but does not call it "forms of pop-cumbia-rap fusions" and certainly does not call it the earliest; it only calls it one of the early ones. Even if a suporting source can be found, the hook does not mean sense, as a song cannot be a "forms of...fusions." --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:48, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

ERC (IRC client)

• ... that the GNU Emacs text editor has officially incorporated the ERC IRC Client since 2007?

• ALT1:... that the ERC IRC client has been an official part of the GNU Emacs text editor since 2007?
• Reviewed: Donald S. Nesti ()

5x expanded by Lexein (talk). Self nom at 03:49, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

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Berlian Hutauruk

• ... that despite originally being compared to Kuntilanak, Berlian Hutauruk's vocals on "Badai Pasti Berlalu" were well received?

Created by Crisco 1492 (talk). Self nom at 02:17, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

• Review to follow. Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:17, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that Berlian Hutauruk, singer of the critically-acclaimed "Badai Pasti Berlalu", left her pop career to sing at churches and wedding receptions? --> Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:19, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Voyeurs & Savages (diff) Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:24, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

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Veet

• Rejected: Template talk:Did you know/Veet

Blanfordia

• ... that Blanfordia (pictured) land snails are called Japan Sea elements?

• Reviewed: Dermotherium, Rainer Froese

Created by Snek01 (talk). Self nom at 22:30, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

• Date and length verified, offline source accepted in good faith. — Hunter Kahn 23:15, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

doi:10.1186/1471-2148-11-118 is online open access source. You do not need to use faith. (Sometimes also other reviewers do not know or overlook that doi link is clickable.) --Snek01 (talk) 23:52, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

• Wait, the hook is not exactly supported by this inline reference, or at least it is not well-worded either in the hook or the article. Blanfordia are one of a whole range of flora and fauna which are grouped, apparently colloquially (since the term is in quotes in the source), as Sea of Japan elements. The hook suggests, as does ambiguous wording in the article, that Blanfordia are AKA Sea of Japan elements while in fact they are simply one of the number of members in that category; lots of species are known as Sea of Japan elements, as lots of fish are known as sea creatures. You would not say a certain species of fish are called sea creatures. It would not be wrong but it does not communicate that there are many other species which are also called sea creatures. Furthermore, the entry, and the hook, barely suggest the most interesting (to me anyway) part of the story of Blanfordia, which is its evolution. This entry is a good start, but the hook is ambiguous. Can't you write a hook about the evolution of terrestriality in a non-tropical environment? That is the unusual story, at least according to your source. Alawa (talk) 15:35, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Terminology clarified in the article. ALT hooks proposed. Feel free to help me with grammar and wording of hooks.

• ALT1: ... that Blanfordia (pictured) land snails are known as Japan Sea elements?
• ALT2: ... that Fukuia integra and Blanfordia (pictured) are the only terrestrial snails within Pomatiopsidae?
• ALT3: ... that the only two genera of Pomatiopsidae endemic to Japan are Fukuia and Blanfordia (pictured)?
• ALT4: ... that unique climate near the Sea of Japan allowed to Blanfordia (pictured) terrestrial invasion?
• ALT5: ... that Blanfordia (pictured) have achieved terrestrial invasion in the unique climate near the Sea of Japan?
• ALT6: ... that Blanfordia (pictured) have achieved terrestrial invasion in Japan?
• ALT7: ... that Blanfordia (pictured) have colonized land in Japan?

ALTs with the word "invasion" are the most "hooky". I have also used more thematic wikilink "Terrestrial animal#Gastropods" instead of "Terrestrial animal" wikilink in the ALT6-ALT7. I would prefer ALT7, that is also hooky and extraordinary short exactly as the the ideal hook should be. --Snek01 (talk) 00:20, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Indian cricket team in England in 2011

• ... that Andrew Strauss (pictured), the England cricket captain and normally a Middlesex player, appeared for Somerset against the touring Indians in 2011?

• Reviewed: SS Norlom

5x expanded by Harrias (talk). Self nom at 19:16, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Indicates a season in process, not nearly complete enough for DYK. Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:41, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Oz: the Great and Powerful

• ... that despite composer Danny Elfman saying that he would never again work with Sam Raimi, he agreed to score his new film, Oz: the Great and Powerful?

Created by Crystal Clear x3 (talk). Self nom at 23:01, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

• Good, but could we shorten the hook a bit? Maybe leave out the "after Spider-Man 2" part. Also, the cast needs citations as not all casting decisions are explained in the prose. Andrzejbanas (talk) 01:16, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Done Crystal Clear x3 03:25, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

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• Length, format, content rules: ALT1 Tony (talk) 03:49, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
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• Vintage: Oops: tool says not 5x since created 10 days ago. Tony (talk) 03:49, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
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• Obvious faults in prose, structure, formatting: Pretty good. I twiddled a few things. But this sentence is a bit weird: "Its script was ... serves ...". WikiProj film seems to agree on "3D". Tony (talk) 03:49, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

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Foreign policy of Ollanta Humala

• ... that following an electoral victory, Ollanta Humala visited Bolivia and called for the resurrection of the Peru–Bolivian Confederation?

Created by Lihaas (talk) 11:53, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: 7th Combat Service Support Battalion (Australia) (diff) Lihaas (talk) 10:01, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

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Father's Lion

• ... that the voice of the lion in Father's Lion with the father of Goofy Junior is uncredited?

Created by Pigby (talk). Nominated by Rcej (talk) at 09:15, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

• I've removed the picture (File:Father's Lion.jpg) – non-free images are not permitted in the Main page (see DYK rules). —Bruce1ee 15:16, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

• What's the reason for the tortuous link to Goofy in the hook? Yomangani 21:26, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Fariz RM

• ... that Indonesian singer and "poster boy" Fariz RM was questioned in relation to a 2001 bomb incident?

Created by Crisco 1492 (talk). Self nom at 06:44, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that a cherry blossom made Fariz RM famous?

Review to follow. ALT is in case the first hook is too controversial. Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:44, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Aduston Hall (diff) Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:52, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

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Eros Djarot

• ... that Eros Djarot (pictured) formed the Indonesian National Populist Fortress Party after a disagreement with later-president Megawati Sukarnoputri?

• Reviewed: To follow

Created by Crisco 1492 (talk). Self nom at 02:32, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Haigh Hall (diff) Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:40, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
• Date, length, hook etc. fine. But maybe ALT1 is better - the name of the party as it was, rather than is now. I think a redirect is acceptable since it is not the nominated article. Aymatth2 (talk) 01:14, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

ALT1 ... that Eros Djarot (pictured) formed the Freedom Bull National Party after a disagreement with later-president Megawati Sukarnoputri?

Sounds fine to me. Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:34, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

1972 World Series of Poker

• ... that Thomas "Amarillo Slim" Preston, champion of the 1972 World Series of Poker, won his title in a fixed match after an under-the-table tournament deal?

5x expanded by Rymatz (talk). Self nom at 18:15, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Russian ironclad Pervenets

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Jim Brieske

• ... that Jim Brieske, who set multiple placekicking records, had his kicking foot amputated in 1967?

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 01:22, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Jason Kipnis. See diff. Cbl62 (talk)

• Assuming good faith on the source - this is good to go! Panyd 16:35, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Lille Graah

• ... that Lille Graah was in charge of the most popular radio program in Norway in the 1950s?

• Reviewed: Neurosymploca? oligocenica ()

Created by Oceanh (talk). Self nom at 22:39, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

• Any chance of a source to back that up? Otherwise this is going to have to be a no. Panyd 16:36, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

• The first source says it was NRK's most popular programme ever and, considering there were no other national broadcasters in the 1950s, you can extrapolate to the claim quite easily. Yomangani 16:51, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

BrainyBabe (talk) 09:30, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

I thought it was fine all along, AGF on the Norwegian sources. I OK'd it on 22 July, so why did someone else un-OK it three days later? Confused (still new at this) BrainyBabe (talk) 03:49, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Leon Daniel

Leon Daniel

• ... that Leon Daniel (pictured right), the journalist who reported on the escape of James Earl Ray after the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr., was also awarded the Purple Heart for his service in the Marines during the Korean War?

5x expanded by User:I Jethrobot (talk). Self nom at 20:57, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Review: I am a new nominator. (Note: this is dated later than the above because I and other editors fixed some issues with the nomination templates I messed up when I initially made the nomination). I, Jethrobot (note: not a bot!) 05:40, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

ALT 1: ... that journalist Leon Daniel (pictured right), who reported the prison escape of James Earl Ray, was also awarded the Purple Heart?

ALT 2: ... that journalist Leon Daniel (pictured right) was one of the few reporters to remain in Vietnam after the fall of Saigon? I, Jethrobot (note: not a bot!) 18:19, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

1605 Keichō Nankaidō earthquake, Tsunami earthquake

• ... that the 1605 Keichō Nankaidō earthquake was a tsunami earthquake, as the tsunami was much larger than expected for the estimated earthquake magnitude?

• Comment: Tsunami earthquake was created 19 July

Created by Mikenorton (talk). Self nom at 14:51, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Bernt H. Lund and Morges Castle . Mikenorton (talk) 19:59, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

• Comment: I will have only intermittent internet access over the next several days so I may not respond rapidly to queries/comments - thanks for your patience (if required). Mikenorton (talk) 21:15, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Patriarch Joasaph I of Constantinople

• ... that Patriarch Joasaph I of Constantinople attempted suicide and was deposed because he opposed the second marriage of George Amiroutzes?

• Reviewed: Hefaiston

Created by A ntv (talk). Nominated by Cplakidas (talk) at 12:33, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

• - Assuming good faith - this is good to go. Panyd 16:41, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

The Jeremy Kyle Show (U.S. TV series)

• ... that The Jeremy Kyle Show is set to compete against The Jerry Springer Show in the US beginning in September after Jeremy Kyle's show replaced Jerry Springer's in the UK?

Created by Robert Moore (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 06:19, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

• Alt 1: ... that from September, The Jeremy Kyle Show is set to compete against The Jerry Springer Show in the US. Panyd 16:39, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Colas Group

• ... that French engineering firm Colas Group has its origins from patents filed by two British scientists and a Dutch oil company?

Created by Imgaril (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 05:19, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Anshei Minsk

• ... that because of the Great Depression, the members of the Anshei Minsk synagogue offered to pay the builder with a lifetime membership in lieu of full fees for his services?

• Reviewed: Auberge Ravoux ()

Created by Vale of Glamorgan (talk). Nominated by Jayjg (talk) at 02:34, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Arabic Mein Kampf

• ... that the Arabic translation of

Hitler's Mein Kampf has been a bestseller in Palestinian territories?

• Reviewed: I have less than 5 DYK

Created by Mbz1 (talk). Nominated by ברוקולי (talk) at 18:26, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

• Note: Article is currently at AfD. Qrsdogg (talk) 04:03, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Given the current state of the AfD, deletion is unlikely. Also, per the discussion, the title has been moved to Mein Kampf in the Arabic language. I, Jethrobot (note: not a bot!) 18:07, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

AfD has been closed as Keep. Per H2 this should be reviewed by an uninvolved editor. Qrsdogg (talk) 06:29, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

• Suggest ALT1:... that the Arabic translation of Mein Kampf has been a bestseller in parts of the Middle East? Qrsdogg (talk) 06:32, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Joe Harrison (Louisiana politician)

• ... that the Louisiana State Rep. Joe Harrison withdrew an immigration proposal in 2011 which would have required providers of public benefits to verify citizenship of beneficiaries?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 04:01, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Baltimore Rock Opera Society

• Hook verified, article dated and ready, prose is 3613 per DYKcheck. Rcej (Robert) – talk 05:17, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

• Since several recent articles submitted by this user have been found to include examples of close paraphrasing, all his submissions will need to be thoroughly checked against their sources before being promoted. Gatoclass (talk) 15:08, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Grevillea cyranostigma

• ... that Grevillea cyranostigma from Carnarvon National Park in Queensland was named for Cyrano de Bergerac?

• Reviewed: ] ()

5x expanded by Casliber (talk). Self nom at 21:45, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

• Length, dates etc check out. Offline source accepted in good faith. J Milburn (talk) 11:39, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

• Should "Cyrano de Bergerac" link to Cyrano de Bergerac or Cyrano de Bergerac (play)? I am under the impression that the real person's nose was not as big as it was made out to be in the fictionalized story, and hence the flower was actually named after the title character of the play rather than the historical figure. --PFHLai (talk) 20:14, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Good point - the character I guess. Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:20, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Eddie J. Lambert

• ... that before he opened his law practice, Louisiana State Representative Eddie J. Lambert hunted alligators for his state's Department of Wildlife and Fisheries?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 15:21, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

• I grew up near Louisiana, and I'm questioning how notable this hook is, because in plenty of communities down there, it'd be more notable to find men who don't hunt 'gators! The date and length do meet DYK criteria, however; maybe User:Billy Hathorn could come up with a more notable ALT hook? That may be difficult, given the fact that this article about a relatively obscure Louisiana state rep. is borderline for notability to begin with. No offense intended toward Billy Hathorn, who I'm sure is a great editor. NickDupree (talk) 18:59, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Fort Pitt Blockhouse

Under the Misplaced Pages rules, thank goodness, all state legislators are considered notable; so we don't have to pick and choose the ones to be favored. Billy Hathorn (talk) 00:11, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

ALT... Louisiana State Representative Eddie J. Lambert has pushed for income disclosure laws not only for his fellow lawmakers but for local elected officials as well?

okay, I'll allow it on this ALT. NickDupree (talk) 19:52, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

• Since several recent articles submitted by this user have been found to include examples of close paraphrasing, all his submissions will need to be thoroughly checked against their sources before being promoted. Gatoclass (talk) 15:09, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

7th Combat Service Support Battalion (Australia)

• ... that the 7 CSSB of the Australian Army supports the 7th Brigade and participated in Operation Slipper?

Created by AustralianRupert (talk). Nominated by Rcej (talk) at 08:55, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

new, 1913 characters, mostly all cited (excspt last sentence), article could use some section and the 3rd [para is a little confusing with all the acronyms et al. alt suggested:

• ALT1 - that the 7 CSSB of the Australian Army participated in Operation Slipper during Operation Enduring Freedom?Lihaas (talk) 09:57, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

• Is this better? And ALT1 is fine with me! Rcej (Robert) – talk 04:24, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

what is AUSBAT IX ? ive done some sectioning to try and organise it. with these it should be good to go pending the noms review.Lihaas (talk) 08:22, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

I redlinked it here. Wiki doesn't have anything on that Battallion, but we really should be fine for DYK :) Rcej (Robert) – talk 03:57, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi everyone, just to clarify "AUSBAT X" is not a unit as such, it was a deployment, i.e. the ninth Australian battalion group deployed during Operation Citadel. If something was to be written on AUSBAT IX, IMO, it would have to be covered in an article on the overall operation (i.e. Operation Citadel). AustralianRupert (talk) 12:04, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

I have reviewed 1st Airlanding Light Regiment. . Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 08:44, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Tatoosh Range

• ... that the highest point in the Tatoosh Range (pictured) is Unicorn Peak at 6,917 ft (2,108 m) of elevation?

Created by Rising*From*Ashes (talk). Nominated by Rcej (talk) at 08:16, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

• All checks out. Good to go. Aymatth2 (talk) 00:54, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

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• Length, format, content rules: Tony (talk) 02:50, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
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• Interest: Passable, I suppose. Tony (talk) 02:50, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
• Image suitability: Sorry, unsuitable at 100px; the other one would be better. Tony (talk) 02:50, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
• ALT hooks, if proposed: I changed original's "peak" to "point" to avoid the repetition. Tony (talk) 02:50, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

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Lapeer County Courthouse

• ... that, completed in 1846, the Lapeer County Courthouse (pictured) is the oldest continuously active courthouse in the state of Michigan and one of the 10 oldest in the United States?

Created by Notorious4life (talk). Self nom at 08:11, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

• size, date and hook checks out. good to go. Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:07, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that, completed in 1846, the Lapeer County Courthouse (pictured) is one of the 10 oldest continuously active courthouses in the United States and the oldest in Michigan?

I like ALT1 more. Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:08, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Notorious4life (talk · contribs) has more than 5 DYK credits on the usertalk. Peer review, please? --PFHLai (talk) 20:19, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 17

Faial Botanical Garden

An example image

• ... that the function of the Faial Botanical Garden (pictured) is to preserve and maintain the collection of endemic plants common to the island of Faial and the Azores?

Created by Zeorymer (talk). Nominated by Leszek Jańczuk (talk) at 21:45, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

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• Length, format, content rules: The hook claims there's one function, but the article says there are at least two major functions. If you can fit it into the ch. limit, perhaps make a thing out of these diverse functions. Tony (talk) 01:59, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
• Source: Tony (talk) 01:59, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
• Interest: Marginal. Is it unique in the region? Was it the first of its type? Tony (talk) 01:59, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
• Image suitability: Too detail-rich and dark/shadowy for 100px (can it be brightened to make it work?). Try another from the article, brightened? Tony (talk) 01:59, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
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• Sourcing (V, RS, BLP): "Geography" section needs a ref tag; another would be good at the end of "Gardens". RS hard to judge, since they're all in Portuguese; they might be OK. Tony (talk) 01:59, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
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• The external link: could you translate the title and add "(in Portuguese)"? Article images could all do with a boost to their brightness. The opening left-side images squash the text against the infobox unless your window-width is quite large; please consider relocating further down (on the right?). Could be DYKable, but needs work. Tony (talk) 01:59, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Grade II listed buildings in Brighton and Hove: M

• ... that on February 2001, there were 1,124 listed buildings with Grade II status (pictured) in the English city of Brighton and Hove?

Created by Hassocks5489 (talk). Nominated by Leszek Jańczuk (talk) at 21:18, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

• (Comment from creator) Thanks for nominating, but unfortunately this one won't be viable as a DYK. I'm off wiki for the next 5 days, and will have no chance to complete all the remaining "Notes" sections before then; this is likely to be a work in progress for several months. Also, the lead is more or less identical to those on Grade II listed buildings in Brighton and Hove: A–B, C–D and E–H, so there is no genuinely new content in the prose part. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 10:54, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
• For DYK it is enough. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 03:01, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Société de Construction des Batignolles

• ... that conversion to a public company, the Société de Construction des Batignolles in 1872 allowed the company to raise capital over 5 million francs?

Created by Imgaril (talk). Nominated by Leszek Jańczuk (talk) at 21:06, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

• The hook needs to be copyedited by a native English speaker. rʨanaɢ (talk) 05:35, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

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  • Looks like it was 6 days old when it was nominated; that means it's borderline, but in the past I think people have often permitted articles that were nominated more than 5 days after creation/expansion if those dates still have active noms on this page. I'm not sure what current practice is. rʨanaɢ (talk) 06:24, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
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Elizabeth Robins Pennell

• ... that Elizabeth Robins Pennell (1855-1936), the art critic and cookbook collector, wrote the first biography of proto-feminist Mary Wollstonecraft?

• Reviewed: Lille Graah

5x expanded by BrainyBabe (talk). Self nom at 09:36, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

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Quasi-opportunistic supercomputing

• ... Quasi-opportunistic supercomputing aims to provide a higher quality of service than opportunistic resource sharing?

Created by History2007 (talk). Self nom at 17:17, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Native Community Lands as here. History2007 (talk) 22:58, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

• Comment: Link for the hook: is here, also in the article. History2007 (talk) 22:58, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

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Engelberg Huller Company

• ... that since 1888, the Engelberg Huller Company in New York has been the manufacturer of a Brazilian engineer's device (pictured) to remove the husks and shells from rice and coffee during the milling process?

Created by Nconwaymicelli (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 11:34, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

• Well referenced, illustrated, some mundane stuff, but good start, hook fact fine Victuallers (talk) 09:44, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Active Life: Explorer

• ... that the fitness and sports video game Active Life: Explorer is also a party game and mini-game compilation?

Created by TheLoverofLove (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 10:49, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

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Parkes ministry (1878–1883)

• ... that despite New South Wales having no political party system at the time, the Third Parkes ministry was a coalition government from 1878–1883 between former Premiers Henry Parkes and John Robertson?

Created by Jherschel (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 07:50, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

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George Binney

• ... that George Binney pioneered the use of seaplanes for arctic exploration, wrote The Eskimo Book of Knowledge and organised blockade running operations to get Swedish ball bearings to Britain in WWII?

Created by User:Msrasnw (talk). Self nom at 11:21, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Gertrude Kleinová (Diff of my review) (Msrasnw (talk) 19:58, 19 July 2011 (UTC))

• Hook too long (275 chars); I suggest just using one of the three facts presented here. Sasata (talk) 23:30, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Sorry! I think it is down to less than 200 now. Best wishes (Msrasnw (talk) 23:49, 19 July 2011 (UTC))!

Article length & date, hook length & facts verified. I still think the hook could be trimmed down (is the fact that he wrote a book especially notable?); maybe someone else will have an opinion. Sasata (talk) 17:10, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the review and the tidy. I think the three things are nice to mention and the book seems, to me anyway, interesting. It is, I think, trying to explain to the "eskimos" their place in the wider world stressing to them their luck in being subjects of the British Empire! Anyway feel free if you really think it should be trimmed to trim it - I'll be OK with anything. (Msrasnw (talk) 20:06, 20 July 2011 (UTC))

Carly Foulkes, Powers (FX TV series)

• ... that T-Mobile myTouch 4G spokesperson Carly Foulkes has been cast in the FX Network television series Powers adaptation of the Powers comic book series?

• Reviewed: Gugur Bunga, Ismail Marzuk

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 04:55, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

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Al Lerner (composer)

• ... that Al Lerner, 1940s pianist in the Harry James band, wrote the music for "So Until I See You", the closing theme for Tonight Starring Jack Paar in the early 1960s?

Created by Elonka (talk). Self nom at 03:09, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: SS Empire Duke. --Elonka 03:21, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

All checks out. Good to go. Aymatth2 (talk) 03:04, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Adolf Theuer

• ... that as a member of the Desinfektionskommando, one of SS-Unterscharführer Adolf Theuer's responsibilities was to insert the Zyklon B into the gas chamber at Auschwitz concentration camp?

• Reviewed: Death in the Afternoon (cocktail) (diff)

Created by WilliamH (talk). Self nom at 21:21, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

• Long enough and fresh enough ,but it has an orphan tag on it at the moment. The date formatting should to be changed to day month year format as it is about a European subject.--DavidCane (talk) 22:24, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
  • I also note that we have also had two other DYKs from this author on the Auschwitz gas chambers in the last couple of days are we in danger of overload?--DavidCane (talk) 22:34, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
    • De-orphaned and dates amended. The second concern - it did occur to me too. The reason why is because I've found some articles I'd written in various states of completion from the salvaged hard disk of my previous computer. If you wish to defer this for a few days, I have no problem with that at all. WilliamH (talk) 22:39, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
      • I'll leave it to the directors to decide on the overload issue.
      • Another question: the article on his home town of Henneborg-Bolatitz is a red-link and the modern location is in the Czech Republic. The article describes him as German, but was he reichdeutsch or volksdeutsch? His trial in Prague suggest he may have been the latter.-DavidCane (talk) 12:55, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
        • Good point. I gleaned this from the German Misplaced Pages, which simply describes him as deutsch. I suspect you're right, but since I can't conclusively determine it, I've omitted it. WilliamH (talk) 17:59, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Scotland national under-16 football team

• ... that the current Scotland national under-16 football team squad features players from Real Madrid and Liverpool?

Created by Deserter1 (talk). Self nom at 21:06, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: The Old Lady and the Pigeons Deserter1 15:57, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

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Death in the Afternoon (cocktail)

• ... that Death in the Afternoon is a cocktail containing absinthe and Champagne?

5x expanded by J Milburn (talk). Self nom at 11:35, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Grevillea cyranostigma. J Milburn (talk) 11:40, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Citation is fine, but at 1428 readable characters, it's 72 characters too short. Remember that the block quote does not count towards the length. The fact that Hemingway invented this is much more interesting than merely the two ingredients; I would strongly suggest this hook:

ALT: ... that Death in the Afternoon, a cocktail containing absinthe and Champagne, was invented by Ernest Hemingway? WilliamH (talk) 21:31, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, much prefer the alt. I've expanded the article a little further, it should be legit now. J Milburn (talk) 10:20, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

• Good to go. WilliamH (talk) 11:01, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

• ALT2:... that Ernest Hemingway was the first person to mix absinthe and Champagne to produce Death in the Afternoon? --PFHLai (talk) 04:02, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Suggest not using ALT2. He learned this from someone, can't remember who now, but remember reading about it. Either Ezra Pound or James Joyce taught him to do this, and they might well have learned from a Parisian. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 02:29, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Lady Gaga Presents the Monster Ball Tour: At Madison Square Garden

• ... that Lady Gaga Presents the Monster Ball Tour: At Madison Square Garden earned 5 of HBO's 104 total nominations at the 63rd Primetime Emmy Awards?

5x expanded by Chasewc91 (talk). Self nom at 06:07, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

• Date, length, hook all check. Rlendog (talk) 00:30, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

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• Plagiarism/close paraphrasing: Used Copyright Violation Detector; no results. Tony (talk) 06:21, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
• Copyvio: Fair-use for promotional poster ... I guess we allow one in the infobox nowadays, even if very recent. OK. Tony (talk) 06:21, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
• Obvious faults in prose, structure, formatting: You could remove the second "2011" from the opening sentence. "Ultimately" is vague. And try to avoid "currently". Double not single quotes normal on WP. But it passes. Tony (talk) 06:21, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

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Black-cheeked Gnateater

• ... that pairs of Black-cheeked Gnateaters have territories averaging 2.94 hectares (7.3 acres)?

• Reviewed: Lapeer County Courthouse ()

5x expanded by Casliber (talk). Self nom at 01:10, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

• - Date and size fine. However, the hook fact as worded is not verified by the reference. The reference gives numbers from one particular study (based on 18 marked adults and 18 nesting attempts), while the hook reads as if the "fact" (territories averaging 2.94 hectares) is valid in general. Oceanh (talk) 02:29, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

More specific below - am toying with adding "11.5 cm long" to bird to highlight size difference between tiny little bird and big territory - alternately tinyness is conveyed by image.

• ... that a field study in Brazil found the territories of Black-cheeked Gnateaters (adult male pictured) to average 2.94 hectares (7.3 acres)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Casliber (talk • contribs) 03:21, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Everything checks out, hook fact verified in cited online reference. Image license also looks good. (One minor thing, the direct link to the pdf reference does not work (says "File not available"), think the url is a temporary one. The article is accessible via the doi link though). Oceanh (talk) 17:09, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Elisabeth Croft

• ... that Crossroads actress Elisabeth Croft who played Miss Edith Tatum, died the same day the renewed series of Crossroads aired in 2003?

• ALT1... that the same day Crossroads actress Elisabeth Croft died, the first episode of the renewed series of Crossroads aired in 2003?
• ALT2... that the same day Crossroads actress Elisabeth Croft died, the first episode of the renewed series of Crossroads aired?

Created by MayhemMario 16:22, 17 July 2011 (UTC). Self nom at 17:16, 17 July 2011 (UTC) Once reveiwed can you leave me a note on my talk page? Thanks a lot, just last time forgot about it! :) MayhemMario 16:03, 18 July 2011 (UTC) Please add a comment and signature (or just a signature if endorsing) after each aspect you have reviewed:
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Samuel Fisk Green

• ... that Samuel Fisk Green was a pioneering American missionary who founded Sri Lanka's first medical teaching hospital?

Created by Kanatonian (talk). Self nom at 17:07, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

• Date, size checks out, but inline cite density is insufficient: the article uses 3 inline references, but only 1 reference per para. At least one para uses two references. It is thus not possible to be certain which sentence is based on which source(s), that also includes the hook claims. Once citation density is increased, or at the very least, the sentence(s) containing hook claims have their own inline cites, this article will be ready to go. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 20:41, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks, I cited the hook with inline citations Kanatonian (talk) 22:07, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Wicklow Mountains

• ... that the Wicklow Mountains (pictured) are the largest area of continuous high ground in Ireland?

5x expanded by Joe King (talk). Self nom at 23:24, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

• A substantial revision indeed! The lead section is a bit long for my taste, and some of the 'see also's might be better embedded in the text, eg 'Climate of Ireland', but it looks to me like you're setting this up for a GA review which will no doubt consider these issues in more detail. The citation is taken in good faith as it is off line. Geof Sheppard (talk) 13:04, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Styles and themes of Robert E. Howard

• ... that themes in the work of Robert E. Howard (pictured) include aestheticism, existentialism and individualism?

5x expanded by AdamBMorgan (talk). Self nom at 23:23, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that Conan the Barbarian has an existentialist subtext?

  Alt1 is less precise but slightly more "hooky". - AdamBMorgan (talk) 23:29, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

• All checks out. I prefer ALT1. Would also prefer to use the article title as is, but can't see any way to do it. Good to go. Aymatth2 (talk) 02:16, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

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Ponta das Contendas Lighthouse

• ... that it was decided in as early as 1882 to install a lighthouse at Contendas Point on Terceira Island, the Ponta das Contendas Lighthouse was not built and inaugurated till almost 52 years afterwards?

Created by Zeorymer (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 06:33, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

• Source OK, although the hook is almost too long (exactly 200 characters). A slightly shorter alt follows. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 23:53, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

  ALT1: ... that although planned in 1882, the Ponta das Contendas Lighthouse was not completed for over half a century?

• Good to go. Sources check out. Updated links in cites, did some copyediting for style. Trilliumz (talk) 15:55, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

The Virgin Mary (book)

• ... that The Virgin Mary: The Roman Catholic Marian Doctrine is a Protestant book that seeks to determine when Roman Catholicism "became inconsistent with...original Christianity"?

• ALT1:... that The Virgin Mary: The Roman Catholic Marian Doctrine is a Protestant book that has been criticized by Roman Catholics for being "far removed from reality"?
• ALT2:... that The Virgin Mary is a Protestant book that seeks to determine when Roman Catholicism "became inconsistent with...original Christianity" but has been criticized as being "far removed from reality"?
• ALT3:... that The Virgin Mary first appeared in 1950?
• ALT4:... that an Italian Protestant created The Virgin Mary in 1950?
• ALT5:... that an Italian Protestant fathered The Virgin Mary in 1950?
• Comment: ALT3, ALT4, and ALT5 are only meant to be used if reviewers think this should be saved for the April Fool's Day DYK.

Created by CaliforniaAliBaba (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 11:57, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

IDEA: The Intellectual Property Law Review

• ... that the quarterly Intellectual Property Law Review was published by George Washington University in 1957, Franklin Pierce Law Center in 1973, and University of New Hampshire Law School in 2010?

Created by Ivylaw (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 11:14, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

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Edward Hay Mackenzie Elliot

• ... that Indian-born British soldier and diplomat Edward Hay Mackenzie Elliot (pictured) played association football for Scotland against England and cricket for Marylebone?

Created by Daemonic Kangaroo (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 03:53, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

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Andrew Brokos

• ... that Andrew Brokos has had top-100 finishes in his last three World Series of Poker main event in the money finishes?

• Reviewed: Superman: Deadly Legacy, Superman and Wonder Woman - the Hidden Killer, Batman: Death of Innocents

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 05:22, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

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Tom McVea

• ... that the retiring Louisiana State Representative Tom McVea has advocated higher teacher salaries and expansion of vocational education?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 01:31, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Georgine Darcy

• Since several recent articles submitted by this user have been found to include examples of close paraphrasing, all his submissions will need to be thoroughly checked against their sources before being promoted. Gatoclass (talk) 15:10, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Zoom (The Knack album)

• ... that just 5 years after the release of 1998 The Knack album Zoom, the band re-released the album under the title Re-Zoom with two additional tracks covering Badfinger and Elvis Costello songs?

• Reviewed: Lady Gaga Presents the Monster Ball Tour: At Madison Square Garden ()

Created by Rlendog (talk). Self nom at 00:34, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Siehe, ich will viel Fischer aussenden, BWV 88

• ... that the representation of waves and water in Bach's cantata Siehe, ich will viel Fischer aussenden, BWV 88, was termed a barcarolle?

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 23:07, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

• reviewed: Remya kauaiensis. Cantata for Sunday 24 July, hopefully to appear between 23 July and 29 July. (The one for 17 July is not reviewed yet.) I don't see where to place pictured - would fit best in the middle of the title. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:24, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

very interesting and well donePumpkinSky talk 00:04, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Tipu's Tiger

• ... that the 18th century Indian automaton Tipu's Tiger (pictured) shows a near life-size European being mauled by a tiger, and emits wails and grunts as well as containing a pipe organ?

5x expanded by Johnbod (talk), AshLin (talk), Jdforrester (talk), Fæ (talk) and others. Self nom at 21:04, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed SS Clan Mackinnon (1945); diff Johnbod (talk) 21:15, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Expanded from 2718 chars, as part of the V&A Wikilounge event last weekend. Never been on DYK before. Johnbod (talk) 21:11, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

• Expansion, date and online hooks verified, offline hook refs accepted in good faith. You could make the hook a little more "punchy" by removing everything after "mauled by a tiger". But nonetheless, an interesting article. —Bruce1ee 08:41, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1 : ... that the 18th century Indian automaton Tipu's Tiger (pictured) shows a near life-size European being mauled by a tiger? (as indicated by reviewer) AshLin (talk) 20:27, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

• Prefer the hook as written. Why lose the pipe organ? Truthkeeper88 (talk) 02:35, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Know Hope Collective, Know Hope Collective (album)

• ... that former Audio Adrenaline front-man Mark Stuart talked more than he sang on the self-titled debut album of his new project, The Know Hope Collective?

Created by 3family6 (talk). Self nom at 17:48, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

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Virginia Staudt Sexton

• ... that while psychologist Virginia Staudt Sexton was a guidance director at Fordham University she opened a psychology lab, created a major and became associate professor and chair of the psychology department?

Created by Rboateng (talk). Nominated by Rcej (talk) at 06:27, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

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Murder of Pon. Navarasu

• ... that the murder of Pon. Navarasu led to the passage of the first anti-ragging legislation in India?

• Reviewed: Chilston Park ()

Created by Sodabottle (talk). Self nom at 14:28, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

• The hook fact is not supported by the article. The article says that legislation was passed, and that Tamil Nadu was the first Indian state to pass a law banning ragging. There is no place that says this was the first anti-ragging law in India, or even in Tamil Nadu. I am also very concerned by the large number of strong uncited claims about murder, confession, and dismemberment. These facts need to be cited, or else this article cannot be used for DYK. --EncycloPetey (talk) 04:51, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

The legislation passed a)bans the practice of ragging b)criminalises it. I believe this can be described as an "anti-ragging legislation/law". This is the common usage in India. A few examples of usage of this term in in RS - , . Perhaps this is a regional language variation problem. In indian english, any law banning a particular practice is called "anti-X" law in general parlance. Thus legislation banning dowry is called "anti-dowry law". If it is still confusing how about the following alt hook:

... that the murder of Pon. Navarasu led to the passage of the first legislation banning the practice of ragging in India?

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... that the murder of Pon. Navarasu led to Tamil Nadu becoming the first Indian state to ban ragging?

And all the claims - murder, confession and dismemberment are clearly supported by the references added. In fact this single news report on the first sentencing supports all the claims you mention above -(John David, who indulged in ragging in the hostel campus, was angered over the fresher, Navarasu, for not obliging him and assaulted him in his hostel room. When Navarasu fell unconscious, David decapitated him and severed his limbs. He dumped the head, packed in a rexine bag, in a slushy pond located in the University campus, ....On November 18, David made a confessional statement and later took the policemen to places where he had disposed of parts of Navarasu's body; .....today sentenced John David, a second-year medical student of Chidambaram Annamalai University, to a double life imprisonment for murdering Pon Navarasu). This report alone supports what you claim to be uncited - "murder", "confession", "dismemberment". There are multiple other references that support the facts stated in the article like this 2011 report - (David reportedly had a fight with his junior Navarasu, son of the former vice-chancellor of Madras University, Prof P K Ponnuswamy, on November 6 and killed him in his hostel room. He then decapitated and dismembered the body and stashed it in different places.). I am puzzled why you claim the article contains uncited claims. Am i missing something here?--Sodabottle (talk) 05:55, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

• The citations are all clustered on sentences about the legislation at the end of the paragraph. Facts need to be supported by citations placed at the end of the sentence in which they are presented, and not by citations placed on sentences five or six later. I would not know which facts are supported by which sources without going and reading the sources, which means the citations are not properly placed. Currently, all the citations in the first paragraph are positioned to support only the final two sentences, which deal only with the legislation and not the circumstances about which most of the paragraph is written.
  Either of the alternative hooks you proposed above would be suitable as the hook, but the citations problem is serious. Negative claims must be carefully cited in an article, and that has not been done here. --EncycloPetey (talk) 13:50, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Final dissolution of the Western Roman Empire

• ... that Flavius Orestes, father of the last Western Roman emperor, was killed during the final dissolution of his son's realm?

• ALT1:... that the Western Roman Empire's dissolution was caused by a revolt of foreign mercenaries led by Odoacer, who would be murdered by the Ostrogoths seventeen years later?
• ALT2:... that the young Romulus Augustulus, the last Western Roman Emperor, was forced to abdicate (pictured) in favor of his general Odoacer, causing the empire's dissolution?
• Comment: The picture would work best with Alt number 2.

Created by DCI2026 (talk). Self nom at 05:31, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

I can't get the picture uploaded; the one I want can be found on the document. Could anyone please help with that? DCI2026 (talk) 05:32, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Offline sources accepted and Alt 1 is mostly OK. However, the article has been moved to Odoacer's deposition of Romulus Augustulus and the article doesn't really state the the Empire was dissolved (it doesn't even use the word "dissolution" any more). If Alt 2 stopped at "in favor of his general Odoacer", it would be fine as a hook but that line in the article isn't (currently) directly referenced. The hooks could be reworded to match the article's new title. (Image added as requested.) - AdamBMorgan (talk) 14:24, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

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Timema

• Promoted: Template talk:Did you know/Timema

Kiever Synagogue

• Promoted: Template talk:Did you know/Kiever Synagogue

List of knot terminology

• ... that the words seizing, whipping, and lashing are all part of knot terminology?

• Reviewed: Domestic of the Schools ()

Created by Arbitrarily0 (talk). Self nom at 23:34, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

• Length, content, citation, hook all check out. Jayjg 04:39, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

• I thought we couldn't have lists on DYK? Panyd 22:16, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

• See Misplaced Pages:Did you know#Selection criteria, specifically no.2 - there just has to be at least 1,500 characters of text not in the list itself. In this particular case the list isn't just bullet pointed, but includes a short text description of each term, which appears to meet the requirements. Mikenorton (talk) 22:44, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Gustaf Aspelin

• ... that Gustaf Aspelin was the first Swedish consul in Kristiania?

Created by Oceanh (talk), Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 07:05, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

• Good to go.--Nvvchar. 13:21, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

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• Length: It's just over the minimum, but the rules give latitude say "not enough". This looks very stubby to me. Sorry to be negative, but it's a boring topic unless there's something more (what more would you put into it?). Tony (talk) 13:20, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
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Mayuranathaswami Temple, Mayiladuthurai

• ... that the town of Mayiladuthurai in Tamil Nadu, India is named after the town's Mayuranathaswami Temple where the Hindu goddess Parvathi worshipped Shiva in the form of a mayura (peahen)?

Created by Ravichandar84 (talk). Self nom at 01:38, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

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• Length, format, content rules: I find the hook impenetrable for all of the foreign words in it (the links shouldn't be relied on as a dictionary). It's not effective as a hook because of this. It could be simplified (towards the end, not explained), but until we know what it means, it's hard to say. Tony (talk) 13:48, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
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• Plagiarism/close paraphrasing: Hard to tell! Needs nominator to discuss with us. Tony (talk) 13:48, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
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• Obvious faults in prose, structure, formatting: Prose is quite good. Could you please put metric conversions in for the feet? Either manually, or someone will be pleased to show you the convert template, I'm sure: you'll find it very handy. Some ref tags repeated every sentence (try just the last one alone .. 5, 5, 5, 5 in three lines?) Tony (talk) 13:48, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

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Wittorf affair

• ... that although the 1928 Wittorf affair was a completely German scandal, Joseph Stalin played a key role?

• ALT1:... that the 1928 Wittorf affair was the final step in the Stalinization of the Communist Party in Germany?
• Reviewed: Edward Baigent

Created by Marrante (talk). Self nom at 18:53, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

• I restored this lost nomination as requested, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:14, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Sydney Harris

• ... that Canadian judge Sydney Harris rulings include the 1978 acquittal of gay magazine Body Politic of obscenity charges and convicting NHL player Dino Ciccarelli after he assaulted another hockey player during a game?

Created by Vale of Glamorgan (talk). Self nom at 14:40, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

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Dorothy Reitman

• ... that Dorothy Reitman was the first woman president of the Canadian Jewish Congress?

Created by Vale of Glamorgan (talk). Self nom at 14:35, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

• no inline ref for hook in the article, though all other sources confirm the fact, so I will fix that. But there is no source for the most interesting part of the article which is about the kidnapping. If you have a source for this, please add it, because without a ref, I wondered if this was vandalism. Alawa (talk) 16:37, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

• • It's true but the only source I've been able to find so far is this blog and one other one. I intend to properly source it this weekend when I have a chance to dig into my library's newspaper archives from the 1950s. Vale of Glamorgan (talk) 18:55, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
  • Ok, I've found some sources through online newspaper archives and added them. Any suggestions for how to include that in the kidnapping in the hook? Vale of Glamorgan (talk) 16:19, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Piva Monastery

• ... that Piva Monastery (pictured) contains a psalm from the Crnojevic printing press (1493-1496), which was the first printing press in the Balkans?

• Reviewed: Navlab

Created by Rosiestep (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 08:48, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

• Good to go. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 12:57, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Tummalapalle Uranium mine

• ... that recent findings at Tummalapalle Uranium mine will substantially increase India's capability of producing energy from nuclear plants and at lower cost.?

Created by Sachinvenga (talk). Self nom at 06:20, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

• Could do with some copyediting, and some parts look similar to sources. Maybe a more interesting hook could be something along the lines of "one of the largest reserves of uranium in the world". Christopher Connor (talk) 16:01, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1:... that With possibly one of the largest reserves of uranium in the world, Tummalapalle Uranium mine will substantially increase India's capability of producing nuclear energy and that-to at lower cost.? -- . Shlok _{talk .} 04:46, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
• I have made some copy editing to the article regarding removing similarity to sources.-- . Shlok _{talk .} 06:06, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

  I'm afraid we have to be modest with the hook here. All claims of largest reserves come from newspapers referring to some statements by Indian officials. Until this is confirmed by proper authorities (like USGS or/and international bodies) this is not reliable - mining news are so closely related to politics and stock exchange that they were too often misused in the past. Materialscientist (talk) 06:40, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

• I don't think the writing is good enough yet to be featured on the main page, and not sure checks have been thorough enough. For example, the sentence beginning "In the initial period of operation of mine", as well as being incomprehensible, is largely similar to the source. "upcoming uranium mine" doesn't sound right. The second paragraph says that Srikumar Banerjee has 49,000 tonnes in him. Just examples, there are more. Christopher Connor (talk) 18:03, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

  Concur. Many grammar glitches actually originate from the sources (mostly Indian newspapers). I am brushing them up from time to time, but those are merely quick patches. Materialscientist (talk) 04:34, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Box Cutter (Breaking Bad)

• ... that "Box Cutter", the fourth season premiere of the television series Breaking Bad, had a scene so bloody, it made actor Bryan Cranston's daughter faint?

• Reviewed: Oregon Slough Railroad Bridge ()

5x expanded by Hunter Kahn (talk). Self nom at 17:31, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1:... that actor Giancarlo Esposito said his character was so horrible during one scene in the Breaking Bad episode "Box Cutter" that he was concerned about filming it "without really hurting my spirit and my soul"? — Hunter Kahn 01:37, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Expedition to Lapland

• ... that in his expedition to Lapland, Sweden, Carl Linnaeus (pictured) found 100 previously unidentified plants?

Created by Limulus (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 09:03, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

• This looks great - interesting topic. Neutrality 16:11, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
• Everything looks OK. I did not find "100 plants", accepted by AGF. Good to go. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 17:07, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

• The ref is fine ("100 or more" would be a more accurate representation of the source though). Wouldn't this article be better at Linnaeus' expedition to Lapland or something similar? Other people have made expeditions to Lapland (Maupertuis for example). Also it wasn't actually the modern Swedish Lapland that he went to but part of the historical Sami region which from the Swedish historical perspective was probably Lappmarken at the time. Yomangani 13:45, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Oregon Slough Railroad Bridge

• ... that the 103-year-old Oregon Slough Railroad Bridge (pictured) is one of only two surviving swing-span bridges in the Portland metropolitan area?

Created by SJ Morg (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 08:16, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

• Date and length fine, offline source accepted in good faith. — Hunter Kahn 17:28, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Rugrats: Time Travelers

• ... that in the 1999 video game Rugrats: Time Travelers, players have to round up babies scattered throughout history by a time machine?

Created by TheLoverofLove (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 08:01, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

:* Good to go. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 12:53, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

• Plot section looks like a close paraphrase of the game manual (see this) (and badly written). Can't check gameplay section but suspicious. This isn't in the article but presumably is supposed to be ref 5, and also similar. The article also says 1997 but the source says 1999. Christopher Connor (talk) 15:35, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Illusion of transparency

• ... that by simply knowing about and understanding the illusion of transparency you can effectively reduce speech anxiety?

5x expanded by KJamison7 (talk). Self nom at 02:37, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

the DYK fact is not supported by an inline source. Length and expansion threshold met. date ok. There are grammatical and spelling errors to be fixed in this article. The critical sentence for the DYK is almost unintelligible, but I believe it can be edited to read well, assuming there is a reference that supports the intended meaning. Alawa (talk) 19:03, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1:... that by simply knowing about and understanding the illusion of transparency you can help reduce speech anxiety?--KJamison7 (talk) 20:53, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
• Inline source was added. --KJamison7 (talk) 20:53, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

So Long, Frank Lloyd Wright

• ... that the Simon and Garfunkel song "So Long, Frank Lloyd Wright" has been interpreted both as a tribute to the eponimous architect and as a farewell from writer Paul Simon to partner Art Garfunkel?

• Reviewed: Nuclear magnetic resonance spectroscopy of nucleic acids ()

Created by Rlendog (talk). Self nom at 00:34, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

• Looks good. Long enough. New article. Hook is cited to an offline book (AGF).--GrapedApe (talk) 04:58, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

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St Martin's Church, Bowness-on-Windermere

• ... that the inscriptions in St Martin's Church, Bowness-on-Windermere, Cumbria, (pictured) include a prayer for deliverance following the Gunpowder Plot?

• Reviewed: I Am a Camera (film)

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 19:54, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

• It is OK. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 05:19, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Je suis né d'une cigogne

• ... that Children of the Stork forge passports to cross the Franco-German border?

Created by MorelMWilliam (talk). Self nom at 16:29, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

• The hook fails Misplaced Pages:Did you know/Additional rules#Other additional rules for the hook #C6 where it says "If the subject is a work of fiction or a fictional character, the hook must involve the real world in some way." Please composes a new hook. Otherwise, the DYK check tool says it's good for length and date, and the referencing appears complete. Binksternet (talk) 22:45, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

How about

• ALT1:... that children of the stork take from Godard, along with forging passports to cross the Franco-German border? _morelMW 02:02, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

• This hook does not make sense. Also, the Time Out source does not say so much about Godard; it only says that the film tries to emulate Godard, but it does not give an opinion about whether Godard ever filmed subjects such as forged passports for crossing the border. Binksternet (talk) 02:35, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

There is a separate section talking about the film adopting Godard's techniques, along with multiple sources supporting it. All the reviews that the movie received talks about Godard. How about changing the hook to,

• ALT2:... that children of the stork take from Godard, apart from forging passports to cross the Franco-German border?_morelMW 04:23, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

• The last two hooks do not make sense. The "children of the stork" are characters in the film. These characters did not draw from Godard's film style; it was filmmaker Tony Gatlif who did so. How about this hook: ALT3: ... that in making Je suis né d'une cigogne Tony Gatlif was inspired by the films of Jean-Luc Godard? Binksternet (talk) 14:31, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Children of the stork is the english title of the film. They are characters in the film too. And the film adopts Godard's style. ALT 3 doesn't look like a hook but rather a summary of the whole fact. _morelMW 07:50, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

In that case, the English title should be capitalized and placed in bold italics like this: Children of the Stork. Once you are using the actual title of the film, you cannot say the titular "Children" take from Godard. Instead, you would say that the film Children of the Stork draws from Godard's films (especially Breathless) except for the problem that the Time Out London reference does not support the assertion that the passport theme was not also drawn from Godard. Binksternet (talk) 08:46, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Binksternet's earlier comments, alts 1 and 2 are unintelligible to me. Binksternet's alt looks fine, I guess the name could be changed to the English title if that is confirmed by the sources. Gatoclass (talk) 08:48, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

What is the need to include Tony Gatlif in the hook? The movie has Godard's techniques and the sources have the english name in them. A hook shouldn't necessarily be a summary, and the hooks suggested by me aren't misleading in any way. And why should there be 'film' in it? Wouldn't the readers who click on the link be able to find that it is a film? And the hook doesn't state that the passport theme is taken from Godard. _morelMW 08:59, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

The hooks suggested by you are not necessarily misleading, they are unintelligible, as Gatoclass also opines above; which is to say they are written in a way such that I have absolutely no idea what they're stating (or trying to state). Nikthestoned 11:13, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Well, all I intended the hook to state is that Children of the stork follows Godard's techniques, along with the characters in it forging passports, as simple as it can be. I dont want a summary in the hook with words like 'movie', 'characters' or even, 'director' as that would make the hook dull. If you have an another alternative incorporating this, try suggesting one. _morelMW 11:30, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

How about this?

• ... that Children of the stork has passports forged to cross the Franco-German border, apart from drawing inspiration from Godard_morelMW 11:34, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

That hook is ungrammatical, apart from which our rules state that If the subject is a work of fiction or a fictional character, the hook must involve the real world in some way - in other words, you can't conflate the real and the imaginary as you are doing here. The only compliant hook suggested thus far is still that proposed by Binkersternet. Gatoclass (talk) 11:46, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

What exactly is the grammatical flaw in the hook? Children of the stork is capitalised, and it is the film's title. The hook has no fictional elements, as it now only states that 'Children of the stork', the movie, has passports forged in its plot and also draws from Godard. _morelMW 12:02, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

It's just badly written, I'm afraid. You're missing many qualifying things to make it readable. E.g.,

• ... that (in the movie) Children of the stork (the plot involves) forging passports to cross the Franco-German border, drawing inspiration from Jean-Luc Godard.

This, however, is unsuitable as the general theme of the book and movie are in Godard's style, not the specific act of forging passports. Nikthestoned 12:19, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Okay, before we waste any more time on this, I'll propose an alt which I think gets MW's point across in an intelligible way:

• ALT4: ... that in the film Je suis né d'une cigogne, a stork must obtain a forged passport to get across the Franco-German border? Gatoclass (talk) 12:25, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Seems fine to me, though does the article specifically state that the stork does the forging? Nikthestoned 12:37, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I noticed that myself, so I changed it to "obtain". Gatoclass (talk) 13:10, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Why should a hook have everything? The hook,

ALT3: ... that Children of the stork has passports forged to cross the Franco-German border, apart from drawing inspiration from Godard?

as a standalone, is far more hooky than the dull versions spun out later. I don't see any grammatical flaws in it, and this is the best way to state the fact without summarising, unlike your attempts.. _morelMW 12:47, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Three people now have informed you that your preferred hook is both ungrammatical and unintelligible, it's not going to get accepted so please stop proposing it. Gatoclass (talk) 13:13, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Well then what is the grammatical flaw in my latest hook? Requirements for a hook's intelligibility shouldn't demand a summary for a hook! Why should the hook say 'the movie' children of the stork? Maybe Alt 3 can be modified to,

ALT3: ... that Children of the stork has passports forged to cross the Franco-German border, apart from its drawing inspiration from Godard?

_morelMW 13:22, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Any mention of passports and the border fails Extra Rule #C6. Binksternet (talk) 13:26, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

How about this?

ALT6: ... that Gatlif's Children of the Stork gives a thesis on inter country border issues and alienation apart from drawing inspiration from Godard?

for easy verification, this fact is supported by the Timeout review. _morelMW 13:32, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

You are trying to do say two things when only one thing is needed. You are trying to say that Gatlif drew inspiration from Godard, which is supported, and that Gatlif's plot elements of forged passports and border crosssings were not drawn from Godard. The Time Out London source does not support this second assertion, and it is the only reference in the "Themes and analysis" section of the article. Binksternet (talk) 14:43, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

I am not trying to say what you tried to infer from the review. Doesn't the review talk about the thesis on border issues? Does the review talk about Godard? Does the hook read like the film's take on border crossings to be not inspired from Godard? If yes, try again. It talks about two separate things, well referenced by not one, but many other sources which are in the subsections under Themes section. Could you try now. _morelMW 15:00, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

I don't approve of ALT6 because it is clunky English. I'm not going to research the sources to see what can be salvaged. Binksternet (talk) 15:17, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

I can't figure what is clunky here though am sure that ALT6 is fine. _morelMW 15:26, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

May I suggest we flip ALT6 to get ALT7: ... that Gatlif's Children of the Stork draws on Godardian filmic techniques to explore the alienation of border crossers? Yngvadottir (talk) 17:02, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

ALT7 is approved. Binksternet (talk) 17:12, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

ALT7 reads more like a dull clinical prescription than a DYK hook. Why should it have 'filmic' in it? ALT6 is just fine to go. 'Alienation of border crossers' is also not supported by the sources along with sounding awkward.

ALT6: ... that Gatlif's Children of the Stork gives a thesis on inter country border issues and alienation, along with drawing inspiration from Godard?_morelMW 17:30, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

"Filmic" to satisfy the rule that it has to be clear where the boundary lies between the fictional world and the real world—it makes clear it's a film. You're trying to combine the inspiration from Godard and the themes, but it's not clear why that should be interesting or surprising. So since you're right, ALT7 isn't one of the more interesting hooks on this page, but "gives a thesis" sounds really, really uninteresting, how about we go back to one of the more startling features of the film:

• ALT8 ... that in Gatlif's Children of the Stork, a talking stork is a metaphor for illegal immigrants?

Is that better? Yngvadottir (talk) 18:02, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Sounds a bit odd to me, I'd prefer the term "metaphorical stand-in", as used in the article. Nikthestoned 18:18, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

'Metaphorical stand-in' is a chaser for a hook. How about,

• ALT9... that in Gatlif's Children of the Stork, a stork is in need of a passport to get across the Franco-German border?

_morelMW 05:36, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

• The ALT8 suggestion is okay, as was ALT7. The ALT9 suggestion fails Extra Rule #C6 because it is about the plot elements alone, not how the film relates to the real world. Binksternet (talk) 14:52, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

• ALT9 is not just about the plot elements, it relates to the real world in the part 'In Gatlif's' which makes it very clear that it is in the movie. _morelMW 15:28, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Pink Robin, White-rumped Robin, White-winged Robin, Black-chinned Robin, Slaty Robin, White-browed Robin, Grey-headed Robin, Ashy Robin, Black-sided Robin, Black-throated Robin, Eopsaltria

• ... that Australasian Robins can be Pink (pictured), White-rumped, White-browed, White-winged, Grey-headed, Black-sided, Black-chinned, Black-throated, Yellow, Ashy or Slaty?

• Comment: not finished this multihook yet... could feasibly add one or two more but that would require energy, time and inclination I lack. Any idea how many hooks I should review...?

Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:06, 25 July 2011 (UTC) 5x expanded by Casliber (talk). Self nom at 15:08, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

• first review - Saint Paul Seminary (Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania)
• 2nd - Middle Georgia Raceway - am I expected to do 11!?
• 3rd - Gordon Dove (Louisiana politician)
• 4th - Scirpus ancistrochaetus
• 5th - help check/fix Australia at the 1996 Summer Paralympics

Given all the other stuff you do around the DYK project Casliber, I would have thought that five was enough - any other views? Mikenorton (talk) 13:10, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

• Also: to my knowledge of the rules one would have been enough, it's hook for hook, not article for article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:34, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

• I generally go article for article, but Mike is right; Casliber does a lot of work around here. Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:30, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Pink Robin - length, date, image status, referencing, and hook ref OK and no close paraphrasing found. Mikenorton (talk) 13:10, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

• Sorry, I think this is impractical from the perspective of reviewing, visually against the other hooks, and the utterly unlikely prospect that readers will know what to click on. If it's to be a random click, this is spreading it very thin. I think two (three exceptional) should be the limit. Tony (talk) 13:38, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
  • While I share some of your concerns about multihooks, this issue has been discussed quite recently at WT:DYK and as far as I remember there was not yet a consensus to eliminate these kinds of hooks. Anyway, WT:DYK would be a more appropriate place to discuss this, rather than holding up the progress of one hook which right now isn't breaking any DYK rules. rʨanaɢ (talk) 16:20, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Vojihna

• ... that the military commander Vojihna, after successful conquests, was one of the first of Serbian nobility that received the court title caesar by Serbian Empire Dušan the Mighty (r. 1331-1355)?

Created by Zoupan (talk). Self nom at 17:37, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

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• Interest: On the low side. I suppose it can pass, but trimming it might give ideas on how to make it punchier. Tony (talk) 01:14, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
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• ALT hooks, if proposed: ... that after his military conquests, commander Vojihna was one of the first of Serbian nobility to receive the court title caesar from Serbian Empire Dušan the Mighty (1331–55)?Tony (talk) 01:14, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

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• Obvious faults in prose, structure, formatting: I ran the dash script; you're encouraged to use it. Suggestion: images 240px (at least the map, which could be 260px, frankly). Could you fix "that" ("who") in the opening sentence, please? Could merge stub-paragraph start of "Origin". There are other stub-paras, too: merge now and split later if necessary? Tony (talk) 01:14, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

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James E. Lawrence

• Promoted: Template talk:Did you know/James E. Lawrence

Queen of Sheba's Palace

• ... that the ruined palace (pictured) in Axum, Ethiopia, originally built in the 10th century B.C. was once home of the Queen of Sheba?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 12:05, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Rizwana Hasan.--Nvvchar. 13:17, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

• There is already an article on Dungur (with a redirect from Palace of the Queen of Sheba); you might consider merging some of the content of this article into that one. Some of the sources in this article are suspect (much as I like the Rasta headline) as is the claim that it was once home to the Queen of Sheba (evidence for both her identity and the location of Sheba is sketchy). Yomangani 01:43, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Tsukabaru Dam

• ... that the 87 metres (285 ft) high Tsukabaru Dam (pictured) built on the Mimi River in 1938 was the highest gravity type dam in Japan but since relegated to second place after building of the Kamishiba Dam?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 11:34, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Gustaf Aspelin.--Nvvchar. 13:22, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

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Optimalism

• ... that Optimalism has health benefits and can be a learned skill?

5x expanded by User:AMJonesPT (talk). Self nom at 02:28, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

• Everything checks out. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 23:04, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

The article reads like an essay ("many believe", "many children question", etc.); it needs a rewrite, better sourcing and clarifying the difference between optimism and optimalism. Materialscientist (talk) 00:42, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Malcolm Venville

• ... that director Malcolm Venville planned to make a feature film entirely in sign language starring Orlando Bloom?

• Reviewed: Judy's Turn to Cry

Created by Gamaliel (talk). Self nom at 23:29, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

• Length and date good (technically seems to have started on the 19th, but that shouldn't impact eligibility). AGF on hook. Rlendog (talk) 14:07, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

I should have noted that I have a copy of the text from a newspaper database of that article used to source the hook I'm willing to send to anyone who emails me a request for it. Gamaliel (talk) 14:19, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Judy's Turn to Cry

• ... that Lesley Gore's song "Judy's Turn to Cry" was a sequel to her previous hit "It's My Party" in which she gloats about the return of the boy she cried about in the earlier song?

• Reviewed: Bohumir Kryl ()

5x expanded by Rlendog (talk). Self nom at 18:23, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

• Since this was originally a redirect, I'd count this as an original creation and not an expansion, but either way it meets the criteria. I took the liberty of changing the first "earlier" in the hook to "previous" to avoid repetition. Gamaliel (talk) 23:37, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

• The hook needs to be written more interestingly. "Did you know that X is a Y" hooks are rarely interesting. This sort of hook could be improved simply by making it more 'active', as in "... that in the song "Judy's Turn to Cry", singer Lesley Gore gloats about the return of a boy she had cried about in an earlier song?". That still is not ideal, though, since it's still more of a definition of the topic than an interesting fact; is there anything else that can be used? rʨanaɢ (talk) 01:39, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

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Communication strategies

• ... that saying "picture place" instead of "art gallery" is an example of a communication strategy?

• Reviewed: James Ronald Leslie Macdonald ()

Created by Mr. Stradivarius (talk). Self nom at 13:12, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

• None of the three sources are inline, so I do not see how this DYK can be approved. Further, I question the validity of this article as written; the topic of communication strategy goes far beyond the technical use of the term as defined in this narrow portion of the field of linguistics here. The hook itself is indicative of how vague and utterly incomplete the whole presentation is. This may be an inappropriate venue for that larger discussion, but the article can hardly be judged better than a stub when its explicit topic is vast, and if it were so judged, which I hope someone with that authority will now do, it would not qualify for DYK.Alawa (talk) 18:06, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi Alawa, and thanks for looking over my DYK nomination. I agree that the topic of "communication strategies" is potentially vast, and that this article is only dealing with the topic as it is presented in second language acquisition literature. I don't think this means that it fails the DYK criteria though - I don't see that anywhere on the selection criteria list. I would be open to renaming the article to something like communication strategies in second language acquisition, though, if that would help. Thinking of it as an encyclopaedic topic, though, I think it would be best to leave it where it is, and then people are free to expand/edit it as they see fit. As for the citations, the hook is cited inline, and the article in general uses inline citations - maybe you were confusing this criterion with online references? It is not necessary to have the references online to get a hook accepted at DYK. — Mr. Stradivarius 16:33, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

I appreciate being educated in the criteria. (is it just me or are they changing the procedures rather often?) I can accept the references in good faith. If that gets you a DYK, good for you. However, my concern over the disjuncture of your topic (extremely broad) and your discussion (vanishingly narrow and clearly a stub) remains profound. That disparity leads to a hook that has almost no meaning. Specifically, your hook misses the point-- saying X instead of Y is not a strategy; coining a new word is. That is how I read your entry, at any rate. Perhaps you could say *ALT1 ... that linguists have identified several communication strategies used in learning a second language, including coining new words? And even if that works for you, I still encourage you to see if your content would not be better integrated within the article on second language acquisition. IMO that is where it belongs, instead of creating a future problem of disambiguation if someone wants to actually write about communication strategy, which is, after all, a robust field of its own. But that is up to you. Alawa (talk) 02:38, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

I don't mind changing the hook at all - my one was just the snappiest one that I came up with. Your example is definitely more solid, and will mean more to readers, even if it might not get as much click-through. But that's fine by me. As for the content, well, I may be able to expand it, but not for the next day or two, as I will be busy. I shall post back here if I expand it, and otherwise leave it to the best judgement of the editors here. Also, it could and probably should go in second language acquisition - I've been slowly building that article and its daughter articles up, and this time I just chose to write the daughter article first. As it stands it's probably a little too big for a merge - it would have to be condensed. Still, even if it doesn't get a DYK I don't think it will do any harm being there by itself. — Mr. Stradivarius 06:52, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

No great harm, anyway, and I could be wrong about this being the right way to seed a large, complex entry. But as for the DYK, the fact that we appear to agree it is not a fully-developed article in the sense intended by the Additional Rules for DYK (D7: There is a reasonable expectation that an article—even a short one—that is to appear on the front page should appear to be complete and not some sort of work in progress) makes it hard to give it a green light, with all respect, even with my own Alt1 in play. Sorry to take that hard line. I'll leave this as a open question, however, in case another editor wants to venture an opinion. Good luck on the next one. Alawa (talk) 01:05, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Terrapene carolina

• ... that the male common box turtle (pictured) has to lean back past the vertical to mate with the female?

5x expanded by TCO (talk). Nominated by Pigsonthewing (talk) at 10:47, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

• Would it be appropriate to mention that this article has been expanded using text from ARKive, donated as part of the GLAM/ARKive project? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 11:16, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

• Looks great, offline reference accepted with good faith. --Kevmin § 19:17, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

• turtle hug!

Praunus flexuosus

• ... that Praunus flexuosus, the first mysid shrimp ever to be described, may have been transported to North America during World War II?

• Reviewed: Burrough Hill ()

Created by Stemonitis (talk). Self nom at 08:35, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

• Length and online references check, offline reference taken on good faith.--Kevmin § 08:10, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Furiiru people

• ... that the Furiiru people are interlacustrine, living between the African Great Lakes?

Created by Neutrality (talk). Self nom at 06:06, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed: Invasion of Banu Nadir. Neutrality 06:06, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

• Hook verified AGF offline, article dated and ready, prose confirmed at 2025 per DYKcheck! Rcej (Robert) – talk 08:06, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

The Paul Winchell Show

• ... that NBC's The Paul Winchell Show featured ventriloquist Paul Winchell with his insolent child/adolescent dummy Jerry Mahoney?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 03:49, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

ALT ... that Carol Burnett made her television debut in 1955 in a episode of the NBC puppetry series The Paul Winchell Show?

Reviewed Walter E. Lawrence

• Curious review of Hirolovesswords (talk · contribs) article; I suggest a POV check is in order here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:48, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

• Since several recent articles submitted by this user have been found to include examples of close paraphrasing, all his submissions will need to be thoroughly checked against their sources before being promoted. Gatoclass (talk) 15:12, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

• Close paraphrasing or direct lifts from sources throughout, apart from one paragraph in the final section and an apparently inaccurate reference to Carol Burnett's debut. Yomangani 23:53, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Invasion of Banu Nadir

• ... that according to Islamic tradition, the Invasion of the Banu Nadir tribe was ordered by Muhammad because he was told by God that some members of the tribe were planning to assassinate him.

Created by Misconceptions2 (talk). Self nom at 00:01, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Will it be possible to include the image that is on that page as part of the hook?--Misconceptions2 (talk) 00:11, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Lowercase i in invasion. Neutrality 06:06, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it should have a lowercase i.--Misconceptions2 (talk) 21:34, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

According to Misplaced Pages Reliable Sources noticeboard , the source that is in debate i.e the Sealed Nectar, maybe used. However some users have complained about its overuse in the article.--Misconceptions2 (talk) 23:29, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Some problems which need to be addressed before this can be suitable for the main page.

• Have you checked that Witness Pioneer and The Sealed Nectar, whence you're getting almost all your information, are reliable sources? They appear to be spiritual rather than scholarly - it's along the lines of citing Christianity.com or a book published by Zondervan, rather than a real publisher, for an article on a well-known episode in Biblical history. There's no shortage of scholarship on the history and texts of Islam, so we do not need to resort to inferior sources. (The "award" The Sealed Nectar won is from the Muslim World League, a group with religious aims - not from any sort of scholarly or publishing organization.)

The Sealed Nectar is a notable source, i used it to give the views of Muslim scholars rather than give an accurate view. I think the source is partly reliable.--Misconceptions2 (talk) 20:57, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm sure you think it's reliable - that's presumably why you used it - but I disagree, so I'm asking you to establish that it's reliable through something like RSN. The entire article is built on this one source, which is really questionable; unless the source is determined to be reliable, an article that relies so heavily on it cannot possibly appear on the main page. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 21:13, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

How is the entire article built on 1 source? Maybe you meant to say that the source is over used, and should not be?--Misconceptions2 (talk) 21:33, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

• If the Witness Pioneer site is just an online version of The Sealed Nectar, do not cite both. It gives the false impression that the statement is supported by multiple sources.

I will merge them, thanks. Fixed in thisedit--Misconceptions2 (talk) 20:57, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

• In the article, you include the hook fact as Mubarakpuri's opinion; Mubarakpuri, in his source, states it as fact; in the hook, you say it is "tradition." Please reconcile: obviously we're not going to state it as fact, but if you're going to say it's tradition, you need something that actually says so, not just one author making the claim.

I dont get what you mean? I said according to Islamic tradition, which means according to Muslim sources? I dont see anything wrong with saying "According to Islamic tradition"--Misconceptions2 (talk) 21:26, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

• Why is a claim ostensibly to be found in the Encyclopedia of Islam sourced to the Jewish Publication Society of America? Is this a mistake, or are you getting the claim at secondhand?

Yes that was an error. I mixed up the sources. Fixed in this edit--Misconceptions2 (talk) 21:03, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

• Possible synthesis: does Shaffi, in Reliance of the Traveller, specifically refer to this event in any way? If it's just commentary on the surah without reference to the event, it belongs in the article on the surah, not here.

Shaffi based his belief of burning down trees on a hadith about banu nadir. But i have removed the info all together. in this edit

• The last section is basically trivia; "this book mentions this event in passing without giving any information about it" is not useful.

This is extremely useful in my opinion, as it mentions the primary sources and quotes them.

• Your lead isn't very good. It should be a summary of the article contents. Right now, it contains no information about the actual attack, but gives prominent place to trivial mentions of the attack in other texts and to debate about a minor point in the justification of the attack.

--Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 19:43, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

What do you suggest as an alternative? I recently made this about the islamic tradition claim.--Misconceptions2 (talk) 21:26, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Note that I will be replying to these on the article talk page, to avoid being repetitive. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 22:16, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Article is a WP:POVFORK of Banu Nadir and has some serious issues as I explained on the talk page Talk:Invasion of Banu Nadir#POV fork. Al-Andalusi (talk) 23:58, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Death of Ahmad Sarbani Mohamed

• ... that the Ahmad Sarbani Mohamed is the second person in two years to die in the custody of the Malaysian Anti-Corruption Commission?

• Reviewed: Blood & Thunder: The Life & Art of Robert E. Howard ()

5x expanded by Yk Yk Yk (talk). Self nom at 22:31, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

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The Mermaid Inn

• ... The Mermaid Inn (pictured) in England has a strong connection with the notorious Hawkhurst Gang which used the inn in the 1740s?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk), Hassocks5489 (talk), and Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 12:41, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed William Lakin Turner.--Nvvchar. 13:29, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

• Length, date check out, hook fact supported by ref (1730s removed from hook as not explicitly mentioned), Image suitably licenced for use on mp. Mjroots (talk) 15:20, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Yoshio Harada

• ... that the actor Yoshio Harada, noted for playing antihero roles in his youth, eventually won a Medal of Honor from the Japanese government?

• Reviewed: Severed Ways ()

5x expanded by Michitaro (talk). Self nom at 15:43, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

• Date, length, 5x expansion check out OK. Sourcing is fine for the first part of the hook, AGF on the Japanese source for the second. GregorB (talk) 19:19, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Palaeontinidae

A giant cicada fossil.

• ... that fossils of extinct giant cicadas (pictured) were once misidentified as the oldest known butterflies?

• Reviewed: Great Budworth ()

Created by Obsidian Soul (talk). Self nom at 02:59, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

• Excellent, well-cited article and lovely photo. Hook fact verified in on-line copy of cited source. Article is certainly long enough and is "new" (was in user namespace before). --EncycloPetey (talk) 03:29, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

• Heh, thanks. ^-^ -- Obsidi♠n Soul 03:43, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

HMS Endymion (1865)

• ... that HMS Endymion was the last wooden frigate built at Deptford Dockyard?

5x expanded by Mjroots (talk). Self nom at 19:40, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

• The article is long enough and new enough (more than 5x expanded), but the hook is supported only by a claim in a self-published website, with no indication of where that particular "fact" originated. I've checked all the information on the source page, some of which is quoted from the Times (and would be suitably supported), but the claim of last wooden frigate built at Woolwich Dockyard is not supported. In fact, the source article says it was the last one launched from Deptford Dockyard, which is not the same as last one built. Even if the hook were changed to reflect this, the source is still self-puliched and does not comply with WP:Reliable. Can you suggest another hook? --EncycloPetey (talk) 14:18, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

• WP:SPS does not rule out self-published sources completely, only where BLPs are involved, which is not the case here. I say that the source is reliable, with much of the info given being corroborated by RSs. We have RSs that say Endymion was built at Woolwich Deptford, and it was even speculated in the press that she would prove to be the last wooden frigate built there. Will work on another hook once I've finished filling in details from more local newspaper sources. Mjroots (talk) 21:04, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

  I don't understand how you can call the source reliable when it doesn't meet WP criteria for reliability, and even the RSs are giving information at odds with the source that you're calling reliable; if the RSs says it was built at Woolwich, then why does the source say it was launched from Deptford? The claim of Woolwich is not supported by the cited source, and is contradicted by it. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:58, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

• Oops! Brainfade, it was Deptford. Mjroots2 (talk) 21:40, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

ALT1 ... that a plan to use HMS Endymion as a flagship at Harwich was abandoned due to loss of HMS Vanguard? Mjroots (talk) 08:31, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

I reviewed The Mermaid Inn. Mjroots (talk) 15:22, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1 hook approved with off-line newspaper source. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:58, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

See talk:HMS Endymion for explanation of how to view newspaper sourcs online if you are a UK editor with a library card. Mjroots2 (talk) 21:42, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

• Sadly, I am neither a UK editor nor do I have a current library card or access to a decent library (other than my own personal one, which covers other subjects). --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:22, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

If Day

• ... that the 1942 Nazi invasion of Winnipeg, known as If Day, was the city's largest military manoeuvre to date?

• ALT1:... that the Nazi troops who invaded Winnipeg rented their uniforms from Hollywood?
• ALT2:... that the only blood shed during the Nazi invasion of Winnipeg was a woman who cut her thumb while preparing toast?
• ALT3:... that the Nazis held a book burning in Winnipeg during If Day?
• Reviewed: Wigman House ()

5x expanded by Nikkimaria (talk). Self nom at 18:18, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

• AGF on offline sources but otherwise it checks out. Splendid article and great hooks! Constantine ✍ 00:59, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks! Do you or anyone else have any preference on which hook to use? Nikkimaria (talk) 02:41, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

  IF we continue to have April 1st special hooks, then ALT2 should be used for that. However, that would mean waiting for a while to see it go on the Main Page. --EncycloPetey (talk) 03:31, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

• The date doesn't matter to me, really - it's just a hook-rich article. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:48, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

She's a Fool

• ... that Lesley Gore's song "She's a Fool" was her third of four consecutive Top 5 hits to start her career?

• Reviewed: Malcolm Venville ()

Created by Rlendog (talk). Self nom at 14:09, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

• Date, size, check out, and off-line hook AGF. — AJDS 05:58, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Emerita analoga

• ... that although the Pacific sand crab can only crawl and burrow backwards (pictured), it can also tread water?