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An arbitration case regarding the Shakespeare authorship question has now closed and the final decision is viewable at the link above. The following remedies have been enacted:

1. Standard discretionary sanctions are enacted for all articles related to the Shakespeare authorship question;
2. NinaGreen (talk · contribs) is banned from Misplaced Pages for a period of one year;
3. NinaGreen is topic-banned indefinitely from editing any article relating (broadly construed) to the Shakespeare authorship question, William Shakespeare, or Edward de Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford;
4. The Arbitration Committee endorses the community sanction imposed on Smatprt (talk · contribs). Thus, Smatprt remains topic-banned from editing articles relating to William Shakespeare, broadly construed, for one year from November 3, 2010.

For the Arbitration Committee, AGK 20:54, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Russell

Paul, I'm five years in writing the fully authorised biography of Ken Russell, and my sources are the actual day by day production records from the BBC, so congratulations for replacing my accurate corrections with guff and for continuing Misplaced Pages's work of peddling falsehoods and dissuading real academics from sharing their knowledge. My books include Lindsay Anderson, The Diaries (Methuen).— Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.106.80.23 (talk • contribs)

Butting in - these changes are perfectly reasonable (what exactly are "gallery prices"?) and most of your additions remain, at this article anyway. In case you didn't see it, there was a note at your talk page explaining the main problem. Johnbod (talk) 12:29, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Real academics are typically aware of the need to cite sources. As Johnbod says, I left a note on your talk page. Your IP is identical to the one you used then, so you should have seen the yellow strip telling you that you had a message. Or is it the case that real academics do not engage in discussion? If you want real academics to take your views on the matter seriously, I hope you will read some real academic literature on the background to the increase in the value of Pre-Raphaelite art during the '60s. I recently read a PhD on the topic. Ken Russell, strangely, was not accorded a major role. I think my alterations of your text were fairly minor, considering the fact that they contain a number of problematic claims. I left in the following statement: "Dante's Inferno's visual style is taken mostly from the Pre-Raphaelite paintings themselves, many of which, such as Millais's Ophelia are filmed in the actual locations where the paintings were created." I'm not sure what it means to say that a painting is "filmed". Of course I did change your sentence by altering it from "Millais's Death of Ophelia", since "Death of Ophelia" is not the title of the painting. In other words, I removed what you would call "guff", written by someone who calls himself a real academic. I presume you mean that the artist is depicted working on the painting. So perhaps you can explain how exactly the painting was "filmed" in "the actual location"? Obviously, the painting of the Surrey landscape is not depicted. Millais completed the painting in London. He was living in Gower Street at the time, which would have made it feasable for Russell to pop over to film in his old studio. Is that what you meant? The scene is set in a small room. Boshier absurdly has a reproduction of The Hireling Shepherd on the wall behind him, so in one sense at least it is not very realistic! Paul B (talk) 18:02, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Derby refs

Could you add some refs to the second graf as requested by Brianboulton? Tom Reedy (talk) 02:15, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

AN/I

Informational note: this is to let you know that there currently is a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Regards, -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:05, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Shugborough Inscription

Paul, I've started a specific discussion on the talk page of the Shugborough inscription. I'm afraid it outlines all the reasons why we cannot trust Elephant's word. Can I ask for your mediation, or opinion, or views, because this outrageous man has made a real fool of us. I've been told to gather support, so I hope you can help. 85.179.76.167 (talk) 12:42, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi 85.179.76.167, what you should be doing is asking for unbiased opinion in a neutral and open way, NOT slagging off your opponents and asking for people to back you up in the fight - let other people come along, read the opinions expressed, and decide for themselves without you telling them what you want them to say. What you are doing is called canvassing, and it can get people blocked. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 13:12, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Thomas Jefferson

Thank you for correcting those misspellings but regarding this edit summary... I can see you have thousands of edits and have been around Misplaced Pages since 2002. In your opinion, is an edit summary the correct place to characterize other editors' spelling? Maybe you're just being sarcastically funny with your writtting and I'm just misssing it... Shearonink (talk) 22:24, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Gram()arian? Ouch!

Leave we the unlettered plain its herd and crop
Seek we sepulture.
Nice allusion. All is 4given.Nishidani (talk) 15:51, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Lesbian Article

You recently removed a template that linked to the talk page for the Lesbian article. Please do not re-engage the edit war that an administrator recently banned me (24h) for participating in. The tag is unobtrusive and I ask that you add it back until a consensus is reached. Here is a relevant quote from the NPOV FAQ (bolding by me):

It is important to remember that the NPOV dispute tag does not mean that an article actually violates NPOV. It simply means that there is an ongoing dispute about whether the article complies with a neutral point of view or not. In any NPOV dispute, there will be some people who think the article complies with NPOV, and some people who disagree. In general, you should not remove the NPOV dispute tag merely because you personally feel the article complies with NPOV. Rather, the tag should be removed only when there is a consensus among the editors that the NPOV disputes have indeed been resolved.

In any case, I appreciate your contribution to the discussion and I hope that we can find a resolution soon. --Elephanthunter (talk) 02:31, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Okay, obviously I pushed the wrong button. I'll stop leaving "ridiculous" messages on your talk page since you so request. Sorry. --Elephanthunter (talk) 05:41, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Frot

Hello, Paul Barlow. I am coming to you about this because I sometimes see you around on sexuality topics, LGBT topics among them (such as Lesbian). I approach you today about the Frot article, which has been a problematic article for a long time, but also one that I feel I have finally made decent; my improvements to the article have been acknowledged by others (for example, here and here). But there is one editor I cannot seem to satisfy. I have been having disputes with the editor named Mijopaalmc. This can be seen on the talk page. Basically, I feel that I am constantly improving the article (adding reliable sources, tweaking things, balancing things out, etc.) and that he is constantly hindering the article (removing reliably sourced text outright, complaining about trivial matters, nitpicking, etc.). Very recently, he has been removing the text that some frot advocates are concerned with the medical risks associated with anal sex, saying that the references don't back it up. His conclusion is false, as I explained on the talk page. The sources most definitely back up that part of the reason some frot advocates do not engage in anal sex is because of the associated health risks. Several hours ago, I reworded the bit to "diseases" instead of "health risks" and added extra reliable sources to back this up. This was done as I simultaneously fixed up the rest of the section (Debates). Mijopaalmc hasn't reverted or nitpicked again yet, but I feel that he will. If you can help out with discussions or simply watching this article, please do. I need help regarding Mijopaalmc's constant nitpicking of the article. Nothing I do ever seems to satisfy him, and I often worry of violating WP:3RR when interacting with his edits. Several hours ago, I don't feel that I violated 3RR, since I feel I was reverting vandalism; he was outright removing reliably sourced material and without a valid argument or further discussion, and I warned him of this on his talk page.

I'm just asking for help. Everything else we have tried has not truly helped, and we seriously need more editors weighing in or looking after the article. Flyer22 (talk) 17:17, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Strike outs

Could you strike out your edits on the SAQ talk page so we can keep up with them without having to hunt them down on the FAC page? Tom Reedy (talk) 14:56, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

I noticed myself it's taking a lot longer to reload after a change. That might be becasue we're all on it at the same time. I'll back off until later. I'll be out all afternoon and night tomorrow though, and won't be able to get back until Sunday. Tom Reedy (talk) 15:07, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

You are required to make at least one more edit tonight

and take third place in the contributor ranks. Mind you, there's a huge gap to close before you overtake the second main contributor to this article!:) Nishidani (talk) 21:40, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Funny

This is how it was done in 1839. Tom Reedy (talk) 15:24, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Tom Reedy (talk) 15:54, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations

Thanks for all of your hard work on SAQ and my congratulations on it making FA. I have added the article to my watchlist and am an admin, so if there is anything I can do to help, please let me know. Yours, Ruhrfisch _><>° 02:12, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Redirects

He did the same at Portraits of Shakespeare. I don't know how to unredirect (or redirect, for that matter). Tom Reedy (talk) 21:19, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Ref templates, citation formats etc-.

Paul, what do you think about the idea of using the model we developed in the SAQ article for these contiguous pages? If you think it may be useful to extend it over them, I'd be quite happy to go through and begin organizing stuff.Nishidani (talk) 10:06, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Tito Minniti

OK. I'll find the references you ask.--NewPangea4 (talk) 16:21, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Roger Scruton

Hi Paul, I've posted an RfC at Talk:Roger Scruton—see here—to ask whether the neutrality tag should remain on the article. There are a number of issues in dispute; if you could comment even on just one of them, or your overall impression of the article's balance, that would be very helpful. I'm leaving this note because you've edited the article or talk page, but if you have no interest in commenting, please feel free to ignore the request. Cheers, SlimVirgin 20:47, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Effie Gray

Nothing terribly new. The author discusses the various well-known possibilities, notably the sight of her pubic hair (per Mary Lutyens) or of menstrual blood. She tends to favour the latter on the grounds that even Ruskin (who was familiar with the female form from statues, etc) couldn't have been that naive! (It is, incidentally, a very good book, although, as some critics have commented, it quotes very little from the letters on which it is based.) Hope this helps, but let me know if you want more. I don't know how familiar you are with the background. IXIA (talk)

Well, I'm pretty familiar, having written this book . I find the menstural blood argument odd, since anyone as familiar with the Bible as Ruskin was would be very well aware of the concept of menstrual cycles. We also know he consulted a medical expert and that there was a medical statement concerning Effie's lack of deformities, which suggests to me that something about the shape of her body was the issue rather than its fluids. Still, that's very helpful, thanks. Paul B (talk) 14:18, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Many thanks. I shall read with great interest. IXIA (talk) 18:12, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

If Ruskin wrote or spoke words regarding his aversion, we would have some insight into his way of thinking. Without Ruskin's own words, we have no way of knowing his thought processes. By observing his behavior, we can speculate about what he thought. Speculation can provide probable guesses, but never certainties. This applies to other aspects of Ruskin's behavior which have been topics of speculation. We can't make dogmatic statements about the inner thoughts of a man who never spoke or wrote about his own conscious thoughts regarding these matters. Any unconscious mental activity can only be pure guessing, but may, unknown to us, approach the truth asymptotically.Lestrade (talk) 13:39, 16 September 2011 (UTC)Lestrade

Main page appearance

Hello! This is a note to let the main editors of this article know that it will be appearing as the main page featured article on April 23, 2011. You can view the TFA blurb at Misplaced Pages:Today's featured article/April 23, 2011. If you think it is necessary to change the main date, you can request it with the featured article director, Raul654 (talk · contribs). If the previous blurb needs tweaking, you might change it—following the instructions of the suggested formatting. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page so Misplaced Pages doesn't look bad. :D Thanks! Tbhotch* 02:42, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

The Shakespeare authorship question is the argument that someone other than William Shakespeare of Stratford-upon-Avon wrote the works traditionally attributed to him. Proponents (called "anti-Stratfordians") say that Shakespeare was a front to shield the identity of the real author or authors, who for some reason did not want or could not accept public credit. Although the idea has attracted much public interest, all but a few Shakespeare scholars and literary historians consider it a fringe belief, and for the most part disregard it except to rebut or disparage the claims. Despite the scholarly consensus, the controversy has spawned a vast body of literature, and more than 70 authorship candidates have been proposed, including Francis Bacon, the 6th Earl of Derby, Christopher Marlowe, and the 17th Earl of Oxford. In 2010 James S. Shapiro surveyed the topic in Contested Will: Who Wrote Shakespeare?, in which he criticised academia for ignoring the topic and effectively surrendering the field to anti-Stratfordians, marking the first time a recognised Shakespeare scholar has devoted a book to the topic. Filmmaker Roland Emmerich's next movie, Anonymous, starring Rhys Ifans and Vanessa Redgrave, portrays Oxford as the real author. (more...)

Shakespeare's sonnets

Hi Paul, I wonder if you know about the sonnet template as used in the inset boxes in all the articles on Shakespeare's sonnets, for example Sonnet 116. Given the template as is, many of the line breaks are off. I would like to widen the box (to allow for accurate line breaks) and left align the text, to reflect how they were written. Do you know how the template might be tweaked? Many of the editors who set it up seem to be inactive these days. Thanks and best wishes 16:24, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Userpage protected

Hi. I've semiprotected your userpage, which was under attack by IP's and socks. See the history and this ANI post. Please let me know if you object to the protection. Bishonen | talk 22:12, 22 April 2011 (UTC).

Tancred Borenius

Nice to see this (Category:Art historians involved in espionage anyone?). I always do a search like this to winkle out further links. Johnbod (talk) 16:26, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Edwin Durning-Lawrence

Congratulations re Edwin Durning-Lawrence! I take it that my information about him on the talkpage of the Shakespeare authorship question piqued your curiosity. You may like to use my notes here. BrainyBabe (talk) 15:30, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Comments on DYK nom for Spelling of Shakespeare's name

Hook and article length OK. But 2 issues must be resolved: no citation specifically for "most importantly Samuel Taylor Coleridge" in the article; and many uncited paras. Please respond at Template_talk:Did_you_know#Spelling_of_Shakespeare.27s_name. --Philcha (talk) 14:21, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Stockhausen

If a 5-year-old can find a reference in a minute, why don't you have the politeness to add it? This would be helpful to any future reader of the article. This is what I found in a minute. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:22, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Pardon, English is not my first language, I don't understand all you wrote. Also please keep the discussion here, I will watch. - If what you claim and what contradicts the source I found, is in one of the existing sources why don't you simply point out which one and double it??? I would consider that constructive. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:35, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, what you added, doesn't show, my happiness is not the question, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:39, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Quote from my talk page:

It seems that you are so happy to behave in this manner that you didn't even bother to look to see that I did add it. Paul B (talk) 17:32, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

I don't follow what you are saying. I added the souce before you left me a message. What contradicts what source? Paul B (talk) 17:38, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

I have no idea what you mean by your happiness. I might be better if you write in German. I don't know what you mean when you say "what you added, doesn't show", nor do I understand what "contradicts the source" you found. Paul B (talk) 17:42, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

You referred to my happiness. The source I found says he died in Kürten. The source you claim to have added doesn't show, but instead: "Cite error: There are ref tags on this page, but the references will not show without a Reflist template or a references tag; see the help page." It seems that you need help, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:50, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

If there is no reflist tag on the page that is due to the incompetence of people who have been maintaining it. All pages should have reflist tags. That is not my mistake. I will add the appropriate reflist template. I do not claim to have added a source, I did add a source. If you cannot see it is the diff, then you seriously do need help. I never referred to your "happiness". I said you were "happy to behave" in a particular way. In English that means you are willing to behave in a way without being emotionally disturbed by it. I cannot believe that you can really be so incompetent that you do not know that the "he" referred to in my addition is Stockhausen's father. Stockhausen died in Kurten. His father certainly did not. Paul B (talk) 18:01, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for adjusting, please correct spelling and, if possible, be conform with the referencing style of the article, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:13, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

No, you correct the typo. I'm sick of this. If you think a different referencing style is appropriate you adjust it. Make the effort to do something useful instead of something useless and negative. Paul B (talk) 18:26, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Spelling of Shakespeare's name

On 10 May 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Spelling of Shakespeare's name, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Samuel Taylor Coleridge spelled William Shakespeare's last name as "Shakspere"? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 12:03, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Matiene under siege

I note you have been involved in the dispute over trying to label the Indo-Aryan element in Mitanni. The same thing is being done at Matiene. Can you help? Mike Nassau (talk) 23:11, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Authorship of Titus

Very nice intro on the Authorship of Titus Andronicus page; brief, but sets up the article very well. Thanks. And thanks for the move too. And the wikilinks! Bertaut (talk) 18:58, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Better source request for File:Titus title page.jpg

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M.F. Hussain

I appreciate your efforts with the M.F. Husain page and for fighting the good fight. Unfortunately, it still looks a bit shoddy and bereft of any actual examples of his art. Since he died just today, I expect that the trolls will be out in full force but perhaps eventually the page can get to the status of a respectable reference.--Innerproduct (talk) 08:09, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

The Woman's World

Mr Barlow, As you may have noticed I've begun expanding on your work on the above article. I feel it could be quickly brought to a good standard, though I have access to only a single reliable source. If you are interested in working on the subject again your knowledge of the period would be most welcome. Best, --Ktlynch (talk) 21:33, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

hummm

Good edit on Deuteronomy. I had no idea you took an interest in OT scholarship - not a bit dry after General Macdonald? PiCo (talk) 05:22, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

I can't remember now why or when I put Macdonald on my watch-list. It's an interesting story, and I guess that's why. Also a tragic one. PiCo (talk) 02:34, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Dispute Resolution

Please help out! http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboardThigle (talk) 03:36, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Bronzino

I just casually noted an obvious mess while browsing the Bronzino pages, and tried a quick redraft off the top of the head. As it stands the page is thick with examples of his work but comes up, at least on my screen, with a long blank space before the text which looks extremely ugly. Any way that can be fixed? I know fuck all about formatting, let alone much else, and naturally thought of your professional expertise. Forget it if it is complicated or a bother. Cheers Nishidani (talk) 17:50, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

'dead, dead flesh'. Cripes! Whaddya expect from a butcher's son? I like 'zombie lust', even googled it. Sounds so kitschly Freudian in its fond connubium between thanatos and eros. Thanks in any case. It's nice to be able to count of experts round here. Cheers Nishidani (talk) 19:01, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Ed de Vere

Deal with it accordingly, then. Many specialists in the field flatly refuse to consider alterative authorship theories. Alan Nelson's book is not a high quality source. The other thing we have supported the theory that the grain dealer from Stratford wrote these plays is a name similar to his on the dedication page to some of his plays. Based on this flimsy connection, scores of "specialists" in the field have unwaveringly supported the Straford line. How can we put these specialists at the top of some pyramid? Is there any room for reason here? Finally, I'd like to know what the implication of your threat is in the final line of your rant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.231.114.155 (talk) 02:48, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

There is vastly more evidence than that, and you must surely know it. And I have already pointed out that the name is not "similar". It is spelled "Shakespeare" on the very same legal documents signed by the man from Stratford which proves that it is the same person with variant spellings, just as there are many variant spellings used in publications. The implication of Peter's final line is spelled out in the section above on the Ed de V talk page. Paul B (talk) 21:35, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

NOGE

I would like to know why you undid my recent edit of the NOGE lede page and other edits. you posted nothing on the talk page and i had to search around even find out who deleted my edits. The NOGE was not founded by clarence 13X. Clarence 13X has only a 31/2 year history. from the time Clarence entered the mosque and recieved the 13x to the day he was excommunicated out the mosque 3 1/2 years later and dropped the X. i dont know what wikipedia's policy is in regard to the name Allah. Mayor lindsey called him Allah and gave him a scholl that still exists at 2122 7th ave. Everyone called him Allah because that is his name and not a title for him or for the NOGe. The family name or surname for the NOGE is Allah. Misplaced Pages has simply been mis informed and and has bought into the false paradigm that Clarence 13x is somehow the true identity and Allah is a non existent entity or simply a nickname of sorts — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bornking7 (talk • contribs) 17:42, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Egyptian race controversy

I'm just summarizing the "non-black" positions described later in the article. Is that a problem? 24.22.217.162 (talk) 10:13, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Can you please add a brief description of the "outside race" thesis in the intro that you find acceptable? Or even better, summarize the nature of the controversy and its range of views, and move the details of Afrocentrism into the body. 24.22.217.162 (talk) 19:33, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

I think your recent change (which appears to be based on text deleted earlier) addresses the problem. 24.22.217.162 (talk) 20:10, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Seamus Blake

Hi Paul,

Firstly, let me apologize for the delay in responding to your kind efforts on my behalf. My apology is especially heartfelt as I was anxious to compliment you on the speedy manner in which you answered my inquiry.

I also want to thank you for your offer of help. It would be nice to have a photograph of my son in his Misplaced Pages entry. The offer of mentorship is also appealing, especially as it's my plan to expand my son's entry in the near future.

Dan Blake--207.216.88.72 (talk) 06:29, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Tristan Banon POV Talk page

Hi Paul,

I see you removed the POV tag, which I support for the reasons you gave.

Unfortunately I accidentally added it back in dealing with content deletion following a fork someone introduced (up for deletion). I assume the template was part of the content removed.

I'll delete it directly. Didn't mean to step on your toes. FightingMac (talk) 18:51, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Venus of Hohle Fels

Paul, considering your interest in the entry for the Venus of Hohle Fels, I wanted to notify you that I just added a link to a paper I recently wrote that interprets the figurine much differently than specialists previously have. If, after reading the paper, you have a problem with anything I wrote, I'd appreciate your discussing it with me before you redact my entry. Thanks in advance. Berlant (talk) 13:54, 12 July 2011 (UTC) Berlant

Hakim Jamal

Hello. I wanted to thank you for writing this article. Have you considered nominating it at WP:Did you know? — Malik Shabazz /_Stalk 20:52, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Interest in Afghan Pashtun tribes and tribal history

Dear Paul,

I noticed on the Misplaced Pages link to Pashtun People your name is shown in the reference section. May I ask you if this was because you contributed the photos of Afghan kings and previous prominent Afghans, or because you posted other information on this topic?

I travel to Afghanistan annually as part of our small humanitarian effort with women and children in Afghanistan and have become acquainted with a number of Afghans, particularly Pashtuns, who have extensive knowledge about their tribes and family history. I am developing a journal of information I continue to glean about these Pashtun tribes and have decided to begin compiling it into a format that will eventually probably become a book. May I ask you if you are the person who compiled the list of Pashtun kings in the Misplaced Pages section about Pashtun peoples, or was this accomplished by someone else?

I am at the moment closely associated with individuals who have extensive knowledge and family histories about the Kharoti tribe, the Arsala Khan tribe and the Wafiullah tribe, plus several others who are also interested in sharing this kind of historical information with me.

I recently returned from my 10th humanitarian trip to Afghanistan, we usually bring a small travel team of highly skilled volunteers and work with girls schools, women's prisons and Rotary International projects in Afghanistan.

Any thoughts you might have on this subject would be appreciated.

Sincerely,

Diana Tacey, Executive Director ChildLight Foundation for Afghan Children Mesa, Arizona, USA (480) 964-5484 www.childlightfoundation.org — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dtacey (talk • contribs) 15:07, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Dieudonné M'Bala M'Bala

Dieudonné never said "Isra-heil" he said "Israël" as we pronunce it in french. Look at the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi1O713Irv8

I don't care what the source said if the source lies — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.201.14.147 (talk) 18:20, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

See WP:V and WP:RS. Find a source - in French or English - which agrees with your interpretation. If Dieudonné himself says that is what he was saying, he can be quoted. Again, you need to find a source. Paul B (talk) 18:28, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

I found a source http://soutiendieudo.free.fr/breve.php3?id_breve=22 "A ce sujet, un article du 23 février 2004 rapporte le propos suivant de Dieudonné : " Non, c'était juste 'Israel !' " ( document )" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.201.14.147 (talk) 18:38, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

I understood,[REDACTED] is full of lies, even with a video of proof it's never enough for you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi1O713Irv8 I put an interview where he said taht he just said israël in the show "on ne peut pas plaire à tout le monde" but it's not enough for you. For you what people said in news paper is a better proof than the facts and interviews.

You said that my changes are partials but they are based on the most important belgian news paper. Be more respectful for "Le soir", or I will think that you don't like Belgium. Are you racist?

Paul Barlow stop with your lies! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.201.183.136 (talk) 04:23, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

http://www.liberation.fr/portrait/0109478926-la-ou-la-blague-blesse take a look at this, you need more? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.201.183.136 (talk) 04:31, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

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Out of India theory

Why did you removed my edit for Hindu Nationalist Arguments? I have researched on this topic for 6 years and then it is added by me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leodescal (talk • contribs) 23:39, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

BFI

Perhaps.
In my, admittedly limited, dealings with the BFI, I found them to be rather lily-livered.
I was a big wheel at the IMDb a decade ago where I established some of their conventions.
IMDb standards are very strict, but it is dependent on the context. To make certain changes, the IMDb data manager needs to know your reputation as a researcher personally.
What makes BFI standards so good? Who is providing that data?
Since there is a known discrepancy with the IMDb, as indicated, then that article should be more explicit in its sourcing than it is at present.
And my greatest interest was, Is this Prebble Prebble or not? But you've deleted that part.
Varlaam (talk) 22:36, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

My biggest beef with the BFI:

Welsh POV pushers assert that films made in England or Scotland are "British", but films made in Wales are "Welsh" and not British, and then cite the BFI.

At the IMDb, British is British is British. The IMDb does not humour Welsh nationalists.

So much for the theoretical reliability of the BFI.

Varlaam (talk) 01:53, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Thomas Jefferson

An editor has moved most of the historiography content on the "Jefferson-Hemings controversy" to a new article, Debate about paternity of Sally Hemings' children, but it has been recommended for speedy deletion as duplicating material in the Jefferson DNA data article and not having included the Talk page discussions on this topic.Parkwells (talk) 17:51, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

over

Are you unable to read? Discussion is over. Stop editing. YOu;ve made three edits about Roland's page after discussion about SOMETHING ELSE is over. Alexandre8 (talk) 18:25, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Kinda funny that he feels the need to remind me I'm not an admin when he's the one trying to close a discussion. Ian.thomson (talk) 18:39, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

please, can you answer my question

it's in the " moors " discussion section ( the one about " black ,berber ,arab ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.250.166.246 (talk) 22:49, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

" dark skinned " africans and other things

nobody is trying to deny anything . you just didn't explain when was the term " moor " used to describe any black person that didn't practice islam or spoke arabic and berber . having a darker skin dosen't exclude you from being berber or arab . the term " negro " was always used to refer to non-muslim niger-congo speaking people from west africa , not "moor" .

the editors changed it because it's misleading , people can get the wrong idea that the indigenous north africans are some mix of negro / arab / berber when in fact they are genetically berber . and the " some of them conquered and ruled spain for 800 years ......" is also misleading because :

1-the people who led the conquest were algerian and moroccan berbers under berber leader tariq ibn zyad . putting that sentence after you defined moors as " black, berber , arab " leads the average joe into thinking that the conquest was done by " blacks, arabs and berbers " when in fact it was berbers under their leader tarek who was acting under moussa ibn noussair . you need to explain that the conquest of the iberian peninsula was done by berbers from coastal north africa through northern morocco. trust me , your first definition is quoted everywhere by afrocentrists and arabists everywhere as " proof " that " arabs " and " blacks " ruled spain for 800 years . it's hilariously misleading .

2- muslims didn't rule the iberian peninsula for 800 years . in fact , they kept losing territory year after year because of the reconquista and only ruled a tiny part of spain for the later centuries

and finaly , the pictures here are not very helpful at all , check some self-depiction from moors and other authentic non fictional art done by the spaniards from the islamic era http://hukam.net/family.php?fam=119 http://hukam.net/family.php?fam=101 http://hukam.net/family.php?fam=211

all of this is found in museums across spain , i can provide sources of this too ( for people who can't read arabic ) . but for some reason someone kept deleting them , and thought that othello and saint james were more important . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.248.229.94 (talk) 13:36, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

We are not here to promote Berber nationalism. Everything you say is pure assertion, unsupported by any evidence. "Negro" is just Spanish for "black", that's all. It's application to a concept of "a race" emerged in the 18th-19th centuries, long after the use of "moor" to mean black. in Othello, for example, there is no distinction between "moor" and "negro" in the racial sense. Read it. The fact that Berbers are obviously not "Negroes" in modern usage is irrelevant to the issue as discussed in the article. Paul B (talk) 13:44, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

i'm not here to promote berber nationalism , why did you get to that conclusion ?

i'm here to promote facts . evrything i say is pure ansetion and unsupported by any evidence ? i don't think so . you haven't shown any example where a non fictional black person outside of north africa is being referred to as " moor " . how can the term aplly to black africans when in fact it was used to refer to north africans regardless of their skin color ? even othello was based on Abd el-Ouahed ben Messaoud ,the moroccan ambassador to elizabeth I .

you keep talking about oveerwhelming and undeniable evidence ...i'd like to see it please. all i see know is that moor is a generic term that was used to describe any berber/arabic speaker , including the very dark haratin and gnaoua ...who are still arabs and berbers and should be classified with them and not as " black african " .

spaniards and portguese never called their slaves " moors " even though they were black , simply because they didn't speak arabic or berber , and didn't practice islam . it's as simple as that .

definition in the spanish wikipedia : "Moro is a term of popular usage, colloquial and pejorative connotations, it defines no clear distinction between religion, ethnicity or culture, the natives of north Africa and the Maghreb (Arabic expression which includes all of western Africa north of Sahara: today's Mauritania, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and even Libya), and generically to any Muslim, regardless of their origin."

i just want to see some proof that the term moor was used to describe any dark skinned person outside the arabo-islamo-berber sphere in north africa .

i can assure you that i have no agenda whatsoever. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.248.229.94 (talk) 14:38, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

"you haven't shown any example where a non fictional black person outside of north africa is being referred to as "moor". I have no idea what you mean by that. It depends how you define a "black person", a concept which has no rigid definition. This language, as I said, is dominant in the Early modern period. Do you understand what that means? I don't think named "black people" can be easily identified in Europe at this period. Othello, may have been based on Abd el-Ouahed ben Messaoud, but there is no direct evidence of that. However, the point I was making is that the term "moor" is used in that play to define someone as dark skinned. The expression "thick lips" is also used, which implies a connection to what we normally mean by "negro" appearance. In other words, for Shakespeare, there was probably no clear distinction between North Africans and "negroes". The "overwhelming evidence" is alredy detailed in the article. It concerns the way the word became incorporated into the languages of various European countries and was used to mean a dark-skinned person. "spaniards and portguese never called their slaves " moors " even though they were black" I've no idea whether this is true or notr, it's just assertion, but I suspect you are again confusing the language of the 18th-19th centuries with the language of the Early Modern period (16th-17th centuries). Paul B (talk) 14:50, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

BTW, this illustration depicts Aaron, who is referred to as a moor in Titus Andronicus. He is clearly portrayed as black. He is called the "coal-black Moor" in the play. The term "blackamoor" was also used in English at this time, and is codified in legal documents from the period, clearly referring to actual people, not just characters on stage. .

. Paul B (talk) 15:01, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

For a discussion of the various uses of the term "moor" you can read this book, Speaking of the Moor: from Alcazar to Othello (google books ). Paul B (talk) 15:05, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

i will read it

but here is something i found in the othello page :

"There is no consensus over Othello's race. E.A.J. Honigmann, the editor of the Arden Shakespeare edition, concluded that Othello's race is ambiguous. "Renaissance representations of the Moor were vague, varied, inconsistent, and contradictory. As critics have established, the term 'Moor' referred to dark-skinned people in general, used interchangeably with similarly ambiguous terms as 'African', "Ethiopian', 'Negro', and even 'Indian' to designate a figure from Africa (or beyond)." Various uses of the word 'black' (for example, "Haply for I am black") are insufficient evidence for any accurate racial classification, Honigmann argues, since 'black' could simply mean 'swarthy' to Elizabethans. Iago twice uses the word 'Barbary' or 'Barbarian' to refer to Othello, seemingly referring to the Barbary coast inhabited by the "tawny" Moors. Roderigo calls Othello 'the thicklips', which seems to refer to European conceptions of Sub-Saharan African physiognomy, but Honigmann counters that, as these comments are all intended as insults by the characters, they need not be taken literally."

so the verdict is not out yet on othello's race

i will read the book to understand the use of the term moor , i'll talk to you later when i'm done .

ps : who keeps removing the pictures i post ? http://hukam.net/images/family_rulers/211.gif http://hukam.net/images/family_arms/211.gif , these are authentic illustrations from the museum of barcelona dating back to the reconquista . are non registered users not allowed to post pictures or something ?

Montgomery Clift

I noticed you changed the quote from philip french - I haven't seen judgment at nuremburg, so i don't know if philip french is right or not, but I just think if you change the words , the quote has been altered, but left in quotation marks. maybe the quote should be restored - or else if you are sure he wasn't a concentation camp victim in the film, break the quote up, write your words, then restore the quote marks when the Philip French quote resumes. Otherwise you've put words in Philip French's mouth and I'm not sure if that's right etiquette - theres a link to his exact words. 92.4.57.5 (talk) 03:12, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Yes, the quotation is wrong about the facts, but of course exact words of quotations should not be changed. It was simply a mistake on my part. I had not noticed that it was part of a quotation. Paul B (talk) 08:13, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Tamil Tigers

Don't know why you thought my citation on the Tamil Tigers was preposterous.

The other references mention the secularity and atheism of the Tanil Tigers. That is why I said sacular AND atheist since other people from different beliefs were members of the Tamil Tigers. Even the other references such as

Bermana, Eli; David D. Laitin (2008). "Religion, terrorism and public goods: Testing the club model". Journal of Public Economics 92 (10-11): 1942-1967.

Claimed:

"The Tamil Tigers, who carried out the most suicide attacks in the 1980s, are nominally atheists."

Read it if you like.

Ramos1990 (talk) 17:11, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

I disagree with your understanding of "nominally" , but how else would you interpret the phrase? The authors could have chosen to say "nominally secularists" or something like that, but they are emphasizing the identity of atheism which many members ascribed themselves of.

What would you think and how would you interpret if the authors spoke of a "nominally Muslim" or "nominally Islamic" group? I think you are stretching the word on this.

Don't know why you took off "Irrational Atheist" citation either. It is a good one that has good citations also.

The members of the Tamil Tigers were secular which included everyone, but many of them were atheists.

Ramos1990 (talk) 18:09, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

I copied our discussion on the Talk:Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam since I think it is relevant for others to see.

Ramos1990 (talk) 18:21, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

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Max Muller

Hey Paul - just a quick note to be a bit nicer in your replies. I know, Ashishsinghal74 has absolutely cross the line as well. I'm heading there next. But stay cool, keep the focus on the edits and if he continues along his current path, there will probably be a WP:WQA post about him. I'd hate to see any of that that possibly WP:BOMMERANG around and hit you because of his provoking though. So just laugh at his antics, stay above it and keep going. Ravensfire (talk) 14:35, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

new

If you have the time and the inclination, take a look. Thanks for your assistance on Tamil Tigress earler.Gettingthere (talk) 07:22, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

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Hear the Silence

Hi Paul,

No need for vindication - the film was provocative. But the description of it was misleading on the page about me and so was the description of the way it was received. A little balance needed to be applied. Thanks for your comment, however. Tprager (talk) 21:27, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

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your article on Han Günther

I have an interest in the german occupation of Prague. Your article on Hans Günther, it is quite good, but have you an idea about some other sources and archives sources on the german occupation of tchekoslovakia ? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexandre Rongellion (talk • contribs) 17:42, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Synergetik approach

Hi Paul,

I looked into and fixed broken links. It seems like all okay. Wedanta (talk) 11:53, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

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Nigromancy

Hey, I should've been more clear in my summary: "Is it the same thing?" was a rhetorical question. Nigromancy is black magic, necromancy is summoning the dead or otherwise divining answers from the dead. I'm going to try find sources and such for the nigromancy article, and will recreate the article after I've done so. — Jean Calleo  15:33, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

"Talk:Jesus Fruitloop"

He's actually been posting all kinda of ridiculous crap in various articles for a half-decade. I've created an entry at Misplaced Pages:Edit filter/Requested which may make it harder for him to post if approved. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:25, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Oy guv,

If ya kant stand spieling missteaks, how cum you've held out so long on wikipeedia? Sourt is correct of course, compare 'sought'  :)Nishidani (talk) 16:49, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

2chez! I wuz kunfused, or as they say in Paris con-fusée.Nishidani (talk) 20:01, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

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Drivel?

Regarding your edit comment drivel. In fact it's quite likely he would have seen him and he most likely worked from a drawing or painting. Try to be more civil and being objective might help as well. The British Museum website says that it is "unlikely" (adjective: has little chance of being the case) that Droeshout would have seen him and that he probably worked from a description or drawing supplied by Heminges and Condell. I used the word doubtful (adjective: open to doubt or suspicion) instead of "unlikely" as it is probably more appropriate that the museums term. Wayne (talk) 07:12, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Peter Kennard

Paul, it appears you added a large quote to the Peter Kennard article, citing it to an exhibition of prints in 2004. Was this quote from a published source, gallery brochure ...or pinned on the wall? It is not clear how this quote can be verified using the given information. Could you clarify? Sionk (talk) 00:23, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

I find your question difficult to understand. The citation is clearly to an exhibition catalogue, the publication details of which are given. It can be verified in exactly the same way that any other publication can be verified, by obtaining a copy and looking at it. Paul B (talk) 15:47, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

The citation obviously isn't clear, or I wouldn't have asked the question :) It says "Award, series of pigment prints with an essay by John Berger", no mention of a catalogue. It sounds like Award is the name of the exhibition, or the series of prints. Can we change it to "Award, exhibition catalogue with an essay by John Berger" ? Sionk (talk) 18:04, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

The fact that you asked the question does not prove that there is any ambiguity. It's possible to be mistaken! What it was was a kind of pack with reproductions of photomontages along with an essay, which is essentially a catalogue, though unusually presented. By all means edit it for clarity as you think fit.

You seem to be implying that I am stupid. Surely you must appreciate that in order that I was not mistaken, I asked the question to you directly as you were the person that added the quote. Non-standard citations are likely to raise queries. After all, there are thousands of other WP editors apart from yourself. Fortunately I've found the publication catalogued online by Google Books and it seems it has been on sale at ABE Books in the recent past aswell. I've edited the citation to describe it as a book. Sionk (talk) 17:47, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi paul-- actually, he has an agenda... and is editorially leaving a one sided argument. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tinkero (talk • contribs) 12:52, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Paul-- more to the point, as the author of the film Anonymous, I disagree.

For example, I attempted to add my full response to a lengthy quote attacking the film by Professor Shapiro. My response was deleted. I attempted to remove paragraphs of only negative reviews. That too was re-edited. I attempted to remove INCORRECT "errors" in the historical errors (that is to say, errors that were the errors of the "error-catcher" and those too were re-edited.

This seems like censorship to me, but you disagree? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tinkero (talk • contribs) 13:07, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

So just to be clear-- if I start to source Ogburn and Anderson against Shapiro-- you will leave the historical "error" section as I edit it? Since they will be sourced? Or if I mention the fact that Marlowe's death COULDN'T have shown a dagger in the eye because it needed a PG 13 rating, will that stay in? Seems to me you just change out back to the way you like the article.

Please-- how many other movie wiki entries have hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of words of negative reviews?

Objective?

So if I add an equal amount of positive reviews.... will they stay in?

And why, pray tell, do you have the honor of deciding what stays in or out? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tinkero (talk • contribs) 13:29, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

I assume you have read my thoughts on the Prince Tudor theory? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tinkero (talk • contribs) 13:30, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry-- why do I need to debate with you to fix the page? you have errors, I am attempting to fix them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tinkero (talk • contribs) 13:33, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Ah... love the google. I do indeed know who you are, and realize this is all a rather moot point. You are welcome to contact my publicist via my IMDB page.

Cheers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tinkero (talk • contribs) 13:39, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

I greatly appreciate your info too! Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tinkero (talk • contribs) 14:25, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Wow! You guys rock! AWESOME. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tinkero (talk • contribs) 16:04, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Ernest Fanelli

Hi there,

This probably sounds a bit odd but I'm currently doing my third year music degree essay on Ernest Fanelli and I was just wondering where you got all your sources from? I've managed to track down articles from the Musical Times and references in various books but I'm hoping you might have a few more sources hidden up your sleeve. Any information you have or where to find it would be absolutely brilliant. I'm a bit new to this so sorry if I've posted this in the wrong place. Many thanks,

Stephanie Reading — Preceding unsigned comment added by Schteffhay (talk • contribs) 00:57, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi Stephanie, much of my information comes from a booklet written by the conductor "Adriano" (he calls himself by one name) which is in the CD of his performance of the Tableaux. That's what's footnoted as "Adriano, Ernest Fanelli (1860-1917), Symphonic Pictures, Marco Polo, p.1-4" Other information comes from following up references by using Google Books and the Internet Archive. One can then follow through on the footnotes there. Some of the content of the page was added by user:Smerus. I don't know where he obtained his sources, but he is a specialist scholar of music from the period. I am not! Good luck with your essay. Paul B (talk) 09:47, 10 November 2011 (UTC)