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The Barnstar of Diplomacy

	The Barnstar of Diplomacy
	Thanks for stimulating a discussion between parties in a DR! DavidForthoffer (talk) 16:53, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Dispute resolution

Guy, just in case no one else has done it, I wanted to take a moment to thank you for the work you're doing at DRN and to welcome you to the dispute resolution community. Best regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 19:33, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Allow me to second this. You're a great help and you are doing excellent work. Thank you! — Mr. Stradivarius 14:49, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Thirded. I love your prose: "stay and get into a rip-roaring fight that you cannot win".:-) cheersCurb Chain (talk) 22:10, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

The Heathrow example

For what it is worth, I think you handled a difficult situation with an apposite example, with charm and with friendliness. Backing off is also reasonable. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 17:35, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

The Barnstar of Integrity

		The Barnstar of Integrity
		For working together in the way that Misplaced Pages should always work.

Many thanks...

...for your timely assistance on the Jerash/Jordan thing. Both parties seem like genuine contributors and I expect some sort of consensus can be reached - but it's been boggling my mind a bit and I haven't had the time or brain capacity to tackle it on my own. DRN sounds like a great idea. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 09:33, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Good close on DRN

Dear Guy Macon, I admired your close on the Rape culture DRN for its timeliness, and aptness. Editors working on noticeboards don't often receive positive feedback, so please do know it was admired. Fifelfoo (talk) 09:43, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

A Cup of Tea and Biscuits

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Thank You! :)

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Thanks

Thanks for the BLP work on Joe Paterno. That's tough work on a sensitive topic and I appreciate it. --Jtalledo (talk) 22:31, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

The Anti-Flame Barnstar

		The Anti-Flame Barnstar
		I hereby award Guy Macon the Anti-Flame Barnstar for his resilience and patience in the face of the considerable controversy surrounding the Joe Paterno article and its various trips to DRN and BLPN. That was a lot of heat you had to put up with there, and the article is all the better for how you handled it. — Mr. Stradivarius 02:36, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for sorting out edit conflict

Thank you for sorting it out. (User name deleted: no point in naming someone who made a trivial error -Guy)

Not a problem. You should see some of the mistakes I have made. One of the best things about Misplaced Pages is that mistakes can be undone with a single mouse click. BTW, have you ever read Misplaced Pages:Village stocks? :) --Guy Macon (talk) 17:04, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Oh that is delightful - thank you! (User name deleted: no point in naming someone who made a trivial error -Guy)

A beer for you!

Thank you for your patience and perseverance so far with km/h. I do think this process will ultimately result in a better article, but for now, enjoy your beer and, at your leisure, drop by talk:kilometres per hour and contribute as the spirit move you. GaramondLethe 03:03, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Tireless Contributor Barnstar

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		For all of your hard work at DRN, for cleaning up those pesky infoboxes, and for just being a generally helpful guy. Sleddog116 (talk) 13:01, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

S-76 dispute

G'day from Oz; at times during the discussion I have wanted to act out the cricket bat scene from Shaun of the Dead. Thank you for providing some much-needed levity. Accordingly, I hereby award you this Barnstar:

		The Barnstar of Good Humor
		YSSYguy (talk) 10:52, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Civility Barnstar

		The Barnstar of Civility
		For seeing clearly that that we need to work together and reminding others to do so. Thank you. Avanu (talk) 14:09, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

The Barnstar of Diplomacy

		The Barnstar of Diplomacy
		For consistently excellent work in dispute resolution. — TransporterMan (TALK) 15:10, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Here's a kitten

For your random acts of kindess

DEIDRA C. (talk) 18:13, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

I love your work and what you achieve in Wiki. DEIDRA C. (talk) 20:58, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Only 993055944 articles left until our billionth article!

We are only 993055944 articles away from our 1,000,000,000th article... --Guy Macon (talk)

Category pages created by socks of banned users

If a page was created by a sockpuppet of a banned user, please tag it with {{db-g5}}, in stead of blanking it. That will ensure that an admin will give it immediate attention and probably delete it. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 20:03, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Will do. Thanks! --Guy Macon (talk) 22:14, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

MedCom

Interested in being nominated? Steven Zhang 08:32, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes. I think I might be of some help there. --Guy Macon (talk) 08:51, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Alright, but you gotta keep helping at DRN too :-) Steven Zhang 09:05, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Wouldn't dream of giving up on DRN. Very satisfying when one gets resolved. --Guy Macon (talk) 10:23, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Excellent. Nomination is here. There's a few questions that you need to answer first. Ping me if you need anything. Good luck :-) Steven Zhang 11:06, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

You also need to formally accept the nomination :P Steven Zhang 19:39, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Email

You have one (well, one is coming). Steven Zhang 11:35, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Got it. Who would have guessed that platypus milk was so popular among Misplaced Pages administrators? Thanks! --Guy Macon (talk) 20:44, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Platypus milk? Steven Zhang 06:28, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

That's for the wikistalkers who see any email notice as evidence of some sort of secret underhanded conspiracy. :) None of that here, of course; we are just talking about nice wholesome Platypus milk, not about my Evil Plan to become Dalek Supreme... Bwaahahaha! --Guy Macon (talk) 06:39, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Rawat

As you know I've really tried to take a Wikibreak with respect to your and now Steven's suggestions but I'm finding it hard to stand by without clarifying something for Ken Arromdee. Ken can no doubt research Mishler for himself but User:Rumiton's characterisation of Mishler appears to me to be incomplete and misleading so, 24 hours ago, I wrote the following to him on his Talk Page which he has ignored.

• "I would ask that, since you insist on continuing to argue on the Talk Page, you correct the false impression you have given. Some sources may imply Mishler was "removed" but others say Mishler says he 'resigned'. The implication is that he may have been "asked to resign" but you need to be honest about what the sources say. Scholar Maeve Price (1979) says "Maharaj Ji resented the advice given to him by his chief subordinate and dismissed him when a clash of wills occurred.... Maharaj Ji (aka Rawat) denied that he had sacked his international director but claimed he had changed his 'service' (p. 34). In fact the said official has dropped out of the mission altogether." I also think you should qualify your "They were only disgruntled employees" remark, by fully explaining that Mishler was the President of the Divine Light Mission in the US. He inaugurated it for Rawat whose position was a Minister of the 'Church'. Hand was vice-president according to sources. Your description leaves the interpretation open that they were just employees - which was not the case. Also you suggest that the "disgruntled" was just on their part. Maeve Price says otherwise." -
  

So do you think Rainer and I should rejoin the debate or what? I am reluctant to do so out of respect for my opponent (Rainer) in argument's honesty in also withdrawing. Please can you and Steven (since you seem to be doing something behind the scenes about this) advise? I started this debate and I feel some responsibility that I am leaving it in capable hands and that my withdrawal is not taken advantage of to present a one-sided view to newcomers. PatW (talk) 10:37, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

I have no opinion as to whether you should rejoin the debate. I proposed that we all have a discussion to see if all of the involved editors would volunteer to take a wikibreak. I did not propose that some of you do so without there being such an agreement. Do what you think best -- I am fine either way.

As for presenting a one-sided view to newcomers, We know from monitoring the Misplaced Pages servers that it is very rare for a newcomer to read an article talk page, and that if they have read one they tend to not read any others. And nobody can edit the main page until we unprotect it. So it really does not hurt you to allow a one-sided conversation.

Certainly neither Steven or I -- both experienced dispute resolution volunteers -- are going to be swayed. And it does make you look good; clearly you are willing to stay and argue or withdraw based upon what you think is best for the article.

The choice is yours, but if you do decide to take a break I suggest not monitoring the article or the talk page. With two DR volunteers active on the talk page, any invalid arguments or unsourced claims will be instantly shot down. Take a real break. Relax, and maybe edit some other page.

In the case of Momento, I suggest ignoring him. He does not appear to be educable, and his current line of argument cannot possibly prevail.

Remember, my opinions carry no extra weight. I am just an ordinary editor who happens to have some experience resolving disputes. So do whatever you think best. --Guy Macon (talk) 11:21, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. As a matter of fact Momento's edits were actually the only reason I returned to this article. If he were just arguing and not editing I would've ignored him. Now the article is protected I'll take a break. PatW (talk) 15:19, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

@PatW. Can you kindly point out where I said Mishler and Hand were "only disgruntled employees?" (Nb the quote marks, which mean exactly those words.) I can't seem to find it, and I believe my remarks were way more measured than that. Rumiton (talk) 13:42, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

I would prefer that discussion about the article be done on the article talk page. Here on my user talk page I am really looking for criticism of my actions -- users telling me that I could have handled a situation better are a very valuable tool that helps me improve. --Guy Macon (talk) 17:09, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Sockpuppets

Hello, new to sockpuppets and not sure why the dispute resolution thread on Mmr was closed over one. I've been pretty consistent that the IPs are me, and volunteered the user name Nernst when others started whinging about IP edits. I thought IPs and Users had same rights except on editing padlocked articles ? KR Nernst 78.144.162.45 (talk) 12:28, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

At WP:DRN we volunteers have a fairly broad discretion within DRN to do whatever we think will best resolve the conflict (we have that freedom because we have zero authority and you can freely ignore us), and in my considered opinion, the combination of you filing the dispute with a nonexistent article name, you filing as an IP when you have a user name, and the preliminary reaction of the other editors named, led me to believe that the dispute would be more likely to be resolved if you refiled with the right article name and with you logged in.

As for the rights of IP users vs logged in users, yes, editing semi-protected articles is one difference (neither group can edit fully protected articles) but that is not the only difference. See Misplaced Pages:IPs are human too#What an unregistered user can't do for a complete list. Also see Misplaced Pages:User access levels.

In your case, the problem is not the IP, but rather editing under two different accounts (logged in and not logged in). When registered users sign out of their accounts and contribute under their IP address, it makes it difficult to see their true editing history. Because of this, I am asking you to please sign in before filing DRN disputes. --Guy Macon (talk) 17:04, 24 October 2012 (UTC)