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National Affairs Office opening in Washington D.C.

I've added the update about the Church of Scientology National Affairs Office opening in Washington D.C in the "Current Role in Scientology" section.NestleNW911 (talk) 00:44, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Represent/Claiming to represent

I have undone 98.70.45.172's edit on the Family and Personal Life section about Shelly Miscavige's lawyers. The lawyers clearly represent Mrs. Miscavige and do not merely "claim to represent" her: we can read this clearly on the reliable sources that back up this information.NestleNW911 (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Those so-called reliable sources are a single UK newspaper "correction", with no verification or any other information whatsoever, in a country with one of the strongest libel laws in the world. For the record, I suspect she's in a very bad situation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.70.47.211 (talk) 11:35, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Padova, Italy opening

I have added the Padova, Italy church opening to the "Current role in Scientology" section.NestleNW911 (talk) 21:59, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Lede

I have revised the second paragraph of the lede section for NPOV, Due Weight and Accuracy. The old second paragraph gives undue weight to the controversy. The lede paragraph by definition should give an overview of the page, and the information contained within this revision is already found in other sections of the page, including "Negotiations with the IRS" and "Current role in Scientology." This new version includes more information that is balanced, gives a true overview, and does not give excessive space to only one section of the whole page.NestleNW911 (talk) 01:49, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Nestle, I undid your changes to the lede; as has been well established in discussions here, the public controversies swirling around Miscavige are what he is best known for, and brief description of them certainly belongs high up in the lede. Your additions--about taking the church mainstream, new editions of LRH books, etc.--read like church PR releases, not biographical information. Whitewashing and promotional advertising does not make for balanced or neutral coverage. -- BTfromLA (talk) 19:07, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello BTfromLA, I strongly disagree with many of your points; the revised paragraph I posted fully complies with WP:RS and is backed up by reliable sources. Here are the sources I cited:

Editor Jacob Neusner's World Religions in America http://www.sptimes.com/TampaBay/102598/scientologypart4.html http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article1975105.ece http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/under-god/post/scientology-arrives-in-tel-aviv/2012/08/23/e2968380-ed3e-11e1-b09d07d971dee30a_blog.html http://www.tampabay.com/news/article1012148.ece http://www.tampabay.com/specials/2009/reports/project/ http://www.aolnews.com/2011/02/07/church-of-scientology-faces-controversy-over-latest-abuse-allega/ http://www.christianpost.com/news/headley-scientology-lawsuit-judge-rules-in-favor-of-controversial-sect-78894/ http://www.sptimes.com/News/061300/TampaBay/State_drops_charges_a.shtml

I have also made the best effort to make this section comply with NPOV. If you look closely, the new paragraph does not read like a press release, it simply covers more of the material on the bottom part of the article. There is a whole section about the IRS, which must be represented in the lede. There is also a whole section about Miscavige's involvement in the Church expansion and the opening of new Churches which must be represented in a lede that provides a true overview of the page. Why merely focus on the "media coverage and criticism" section when there exists equally covered material on the page?

Also, it must be clarified that although there have been allegations against Miscavige in the church, none have proven any wrongdoing on the part of Miscavige and the church. The current paragraph gives a false impression that the allegations had actual merit. I have provided resources to back up this clarification.

You say that "the public controversies swirling around Miscavige are what he is best known for." Is this really true? To whom? Those who have made up their mind about Miscavige, and do not know or consider the many great things that he has accomplished in the Church?

Thanks.NestleNW911 (talk) 23:10, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Nestle: 1. "Miscavige has brought the Church of Scientology into the mainstream" sure sounds like church promotional material to me. 2. Your edit didn't merely add a mention of the IRS thing, etc., it removed and altered the tone of significant material. 3. I believe that any impartial review of third-party reliable sources that have covered Miscavige will confirm that the "controversies" are usually the central focus of their coverage of him and that virtually all reliable sources (Time Magazine, New Yorker, BBC, Los Angeles Times, St. Petersburg Times, CNN, etc.) that have reported on the many allegations against the church and Miscavige have concluded that many of those accounts are credible. -- BTfromLA (talk) 08:22, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

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