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Boelus vs. Howard City

I see that you've been involved in the question of whether the proper name for the article on the village in Howard County should be "Howard City, Nebraska" or "Boelus, Nebraska".

I've looked for evidence supporting either name, and am inclined to favor the latter. However, I don't want to move the page without some kind of attempt to get consensus. If you'd be interested, I've laid out the evidence that I've found at the article's talk page. Ammodramus (talk) 05:32, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Re:Attrition

I am glad you have not retired, but can sympathize (and am in a similar funk at the moment). Do what makes you happy - I took a bunch of pictures of covered bridges and am having fun pottering around adding content, albeit slowly. Hang in there, Ruhrfisch _><>° 02:19, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Bloomington meetup

Thanks a lot for letting me know! I've added my name to the list at Misplaced Pages:Meetup/Bloomington, IN; hope that'll do as far as the organizers are concerned. -- Vmenkov (talk) 04:28, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

P.S. And yes, if you'd like to forward the listserv email message to me, that would be great. -- Vmenkov (talk) 04:30, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Champagne Bricout

Bricout champagne was an important Champagne company that produced three million bottles per year, in the top 10 of champagne until 2003. I had not time to finish, or reference, you deleted before and you probably did not even read. Your erase criteria: A7. is unfounded. This important company then made the headlines of Champagne and is connected to the historical past of the city Avize. It is an important addition to the history of the city of Avize.

Thank you to tell me whether the article should be written differently from the French to qualify as interesting, because I just translated an existing record verbatim from Misplaced Pages.fr for Anglophones cares to know this history, so there !

You can also delete the city of Avize, since you do not see the importance or meaning. Patkoc (talk) 10:02, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Finding images

Hello Nyttend! I noticed you were a contributor to this discussion... http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29#Suggestion_for_programmers_-_finding_images As OP of the discussion, I just posted some new information that I think is important and goes to the heart of the problem. Hope you don't mind my letting you know. Take care. 3dimen (talk) 09:26, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Ooops, just noticed I probably should have created this with the New section button instead of editing the page. Kinda new to the Talk pages. Hope you get this. 3dimen (talk) 09:31, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Margaret Curran (disambiguation)

You may want to comment at this page, as you removed the speedy tag. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 12:29, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

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Image protocol question

Hey image expert, what determines whether an image, subject to copyright, but with a non-free rationale, should be posted at Misplaced Pages:Files for deletion, or Misplaced Pages:Non-free content review. See User_talk:Dharmadhyaksha#CSD_Notification for background (skipping over the discussion of the first deleted file, and jumping to "This users many uploads are copyvios. Now tagging them".--SPhilbrick(Talk) 16:51, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the response, that was helpful.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 18:28, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Deletion review of AfD that you participated in

As you participated a few days ago in Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Flat Bastion Road, I thought you might wish to know that the result of that discussion (to keep the article) is being challenged in a deletion review. If you have any views on this (i.e. whether to endorse the result, overturn it or something else) then please feel free to comment at Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2012 October 2. Prioryman (talk) 22:02, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

File:VictoriaHallUrsulineAcademyLynchHouse.jpg

I thought about getting a photo you asked me for, but it seems we already have a picture (it is used for that entry in National Register of Historic Places listings in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania)...? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 17:12, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Huntington Grange

Hi Nyttend i see you added a pic to Huntington Grange article. I don't have access to its coverage within any preview from the Dictionaary of Ohio historic places; do you have access i wonder. I was not sure if I could link it from List of Grange Hall buildings back in September 2010, so have just had a question about it at the talk page there. Is/was this in fact a Grange hall of the Patrons of Husbandry? It would be great if you could answer by adding anything to its article. cheers, --doncram 13:43, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Move

There's a "discussion" somewhat related to you're move of Prostitution in Palestine at User_talk:Wbm1058#Move. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 21:07, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Un-ambiguous?

Didn't like to change it, in case you meant it to be 'ambiguous'... (At the Persecution AfD.) Peridon (talk) 21:33, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Re: Carnegie Library

Please help!!!!!! I have a picture of the former Carnegie library in Akron, Ohio, but I do not know how to post it to the article. The link is http://www.akronlibrary.org/digital-lib/Library%20History/Images/LHM0008B.jpg. Any help that you could provide me in this matter would be greatly appreciated!!!!!! 71.72.29.241 (talk) 08:59, 8 October 2012 (UTC) 71.72.29.241 (talk) 09:00, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Proxy block

Please see this discussion at WP:AN (if you haven't already). Consider yourself asked (the why, not to bite).--Bbb23 (talk) 18:10, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Commission on Elections

Hi Nyttend, I had tagged Commission on Elections with a {{db-move}} from the result of an RM I closed. Either Commission on Elections (Philippines) should be moved there, per the RM, or you should overwrite my closure with a "not moved" verdict. Otherwise, the RM is just confusing and misleading. Don't you agree? --BDD (talk) 21:10, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Hearing nothing, I'll leave a note on the article's talk page. I'm not watching this page anymore, so let me know on my talk page if you want to discuss the matter further. --BDD (talk) 18:27, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Watermark removal

Howdy. So the lesson of the day is to not use G6 for watermark maintenance. Roger that. :) I wasn't sure how to indicate that the watermark was removed beyond removing the watermark template. I had asked in both the help irc channel and the main -en channel. It was suggested to me to use G6. The reason I figured that the old revisions should be deleted (at least with the freer images) was the line "Additionally, if this image is a freely licensed image, it is in violation of Misplaced Pages's image use policy" in the watermark template. That line links to the image use policy. The wording there makes me think that the watermarked revisions should be deleted. What are your thoughts on this?--Rockfang (talk) 16:02, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

The policy says that we shouldn't use images with watermarks, but that doesn't mean that they're banned entirely. Keeping a watermarked image would be bad if we had a non-watermarked image of the same subject or if there were some other way to replace the whole image, but when the watermarked image is the best (or only) that we have, we should keep the original version. Since the problem with watermarks is that they get in the way and are unnecessary distractions, they're not a big enough problem that we should hide all traces of them. Nyttend (talk) 18:40, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

What's more, deleting the original revision would cause problems with attribution. See SfanIMG's comments on your talk page — if we delete the original free images, it will be easy to get confused and think that these images were your creations. Nyttend (talk) 18:43, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for replying. So for non-free images that I remove the watermarks from I should replace the watermark template with {{subst:orfurrev}} and for the freer images I should just remove watermark template?--Rockfang (talk) 22:41, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

I'd say that's the best course of action, yes. I'd rather keep the old nonfree revisions as well, but policy is unambiguous that those need to be deleted. Nyttend (talk) 00:46, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

• Well done for some elegant photoshopping but …. I deleted one previous version that Rockfang had dealt with then I decided it was not worth doing any more. They are not serious copyvios and they are hidden as old versions. Indeed, I question whether it is worth removing the watermarks at all. The images were (correct me if I'm wrong) all present on a fair-use basis and the watermarks were not intrusive, in which case it is reasonable (and more honest) to leave the original watermark in place. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:06, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

• No complaints about deleting copyvios; that's why I tagged old nonfree revisions for deletion like I would with any other old revisions of nonfree images. I'm only working to keep images that don't violate policies. Nyttend (talk) 11:45, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

An AFD you participated in has been relisted

After a deletion review, a recently closed AFD has been relisted. I am contacting everyone who participated the first time who hasn't found their way there already. Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Flat Bastion Road (2nd nomination) Dream Focus 08:18, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Photos of pending NRHP listings

I haven't intentionally photographed pending listings, but I don't see any reason not to. The only thing odd about having a pending listing category would be that it would be a temporary holding pen, which I haven't seen before, but see no reason against it. Go for it. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 14:49, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

I'd thought of tagging it with Commons:Template:Empty category; I didn't make this proposal to you and the others until after checking to see that it existed. Nyttend (talk) 14:53, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

A good idea, conforming to the Moscow Rule of Shopping: if you're on the spot and have an opportunity even if you don't need it right away, grab it. Acroterion (talk) 17:16, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

That's why I've watched this page carefully ever since I discovered it, and also the NR pending lists for soon-to-be-listed sites. Depending on the former list has its risks, since some properties don't get listed, but I'd rather take the effort of visiting a site and uploading a photo that I didn't need than not take the effort for a place that gets listed later. Nyttend (talk) 17:21, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

I also watch the Florida state submissions to the NRHP, since it gives a several month lead time. Didn't create any special "pending" categories, but that could be useful. --‖ Ebyabe - Union of Opposites ‖ 17:42, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

I haven't made a practice of looking for pending listings, although I'd certainly photograph one of I knew about it and was in the area. In that case, I'd probably categorize it in Commons under "NRHP in X County", figuring that it could be removed if it wasn't actually added to the list. Ammodramus (talk) 22:50, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't keep tabs on pending listings, but I like the idea of having a pending listings category over on Commons. I always search for photos when I add listings to the tables here, but given the shortcomings of the search engine there, it would be nice to have a category to check. --sanfranman59 (talk) 02:32, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

AN

Quis separabit? 18:49, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Uvala Help

Hey Nyttend, thank you for your help, I believe that i've made the recommended changes that you advised.

V/R

G310Daniel 

(G310Daniel (talk) 23:45, 11 October 2012 (UTC))

DYK for Lemuel Moss

On 12 October 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Lemuel Moss, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that Lemuel Moss's time as president of Indiana University saw the end of its schools of law and medicine? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Lemuel Moss. If you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Bishop’s Stortford

I’ll reply on my talk page. -- pne (talk) 06:24, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Disruptive IP editor

This editor has disruptively edited, even when I warned him to stop. I reverted the following edits because they weren't accurate, as shown in this video uploaded yesterday afternoon (the date is written next to the video description). Then, he pretends that none of his edits even happened by correcting his inaccurate info, as shown here. I would've never reverted had he waited for the real info to appear, but that's not the case here. Is that considered "ownership of an article"? Platinum Star (talk) 00:13, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

So far, no replies. But no big deal, thanks for the help anyways. Platinum Star (talk) 02:34, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Stefan2 (talk) 20:59, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Value enhancement

OK, thanks for that, deleted as spam and nn Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:35, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

National Register of Historic Places listings in northern Cincinnati, Ohio

Hi Nyt ... I recently put in a good deal of work adding information about Multiple Property Submissions in the Summary column of the northern Cincinnati list. The only explanation you gave for reverting my work was the edit summary "Those comments make the column too wide; restoring standard hidden comments". I don't get it. First off, I think table column widths are mostly dictated by the width and resolution of one's monitor. The column widths looked fine to me. Second, are there guidelines somewhere of which I'm not aware that limit the width of a column in a table?

It seems to me that including the MPS information in the tables is valuable because it can help in article development. I've made adding this information one of the things I routinely do when I add new listings. If you feel strongly that this information doesn't belong in the tables, perhaps we can kick it around a little at WT:NRHP and get some other views?

As for the hidden comments, they really serve no purpose other than adding unnecessary bytes to each page. It's pretty clear from the row header ("|Description=") that one is supposed to enter a description there. It seems odd to me that you apparently find those hidden comments more useful than the MPS information. --sanfranman59 (talk) 05:52, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

I disagree that the MPS information is trivial. I don't think the information is any more trivial than noting when the building was constructed, the architect or the architectural style. It's among the information that the NPS includes in the weekly new listing announcements, so they clearly don't consider it to be trivial. MPS documents provide historical context for the sites that are part of the multiple submission. This information should be of interest to editors who wish to create articles about a given listing. When adding this information to a list, I provide a link to the WP article that describes what a Multiple Property Submission, Multiple Resource Area and Thematic Resource is. I don't understand why you think a reader would find this confusing. Can you elaborate?

As for citing sources, as you know, the source for most of the information we present in the tables is the NPS NRIS database. I believe that every list includes at least one reference to the NRIS database. MPS information is included in the NRIS database. In any case, I see that doncram has restored the information I added and has added a source for each MPS note. Does this allay your concerns? --sanfranman59 (talk) 00:59, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm trying to work with you here, Nyt, but your responses on my talk page seem to suggest that you're not willing to compromise on this. On the other hand, I see that you've not reverted doncram's work that restored my edits to that page and added some additional information. Does this mean that you're okay with including the information in the Summary column as long as I include a reference citing the NRIS database or an MPS form as a source for each entry? --sanfranman59 (talk) 04:21, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

I see (although I don't know what "he prefers B and RRR with only a pretence of D" means). In that case, I'm going to take this issue to the community at WT:NRHP to get some other views. If you don't mind, I'm going to copy and paste some of our back-and-forth the last couple of days to initiate a discussion there. Please join in. --sanfranman59 (talk) 16:13, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi again, Nyt. Just a quick note to let you know that I've posted a message at WT:NRHP#MPS info in tables or not? about this issue. --sanfranman59 (talk) 23:49, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Me again, Nyt ... would you please chime in over at WT:NRHP#MPS info in tables or not?? A proposal has been made to include MPS information as a footnote in the tables using the 'name-extra' feature of the 'NRHP row' template. See the Syracuse list for an example. Would this be acceptable to you? --sanfranman59 (talk) 22:54, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Lofoi

Go ahead and unprotect. The edit wars on those articles have died down. — kwami (talk) 00:27, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Re: 2013 tampa bay rays season

I tagged 2013 tampa bay rays season for speedy deletion because when it was created a few months ago, it was incorrectly capitalized. 2013 Tampa Bay Rays season has since been created, capitalized appropriately. As of right now, searching "2013 tampa bay rays season" with all lowercase letters just redirects to the main Tampa Bay Rays article when the redirect doesn't need to exist at all because a search for it doesn't have to be case sensitive in this situation.

For example, I could enter "tampa bay rays" in the search bar without needing to capitalize each word and it would take me to Tampa Bay Rays anyway. However, I would have to type "2013 Tampa Bay Rays season" in order to get to 2013 Tampa Bay Rays season. TampaBay721 (talk) 00:28, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

photos of bridges restored

You asked in some edit summaries "why are you following me?". Well, I noticed that you weare bashing me in comments elsewhere, and it attracted my attention. You alluded to long-past dispute on List of NHLs in CT, where, when I revisit Talk:List of NHLs in CT, i see really extreme editing in violation of any reasonable interpretation of wp:BRD on your part. It is unpleasant to reconsider that. You have proven to be very difficult to communicate with, over the years. I don't know why you have chosen not to communicate in normal discussions at Talk pages, but rather have communicated by reversion edits with cryptic edit summaries.

You don't own the Ohio NRHP articles. --doncram 00:48, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

You say "when you add content that's plainly at variance with our standards, why do you expect me to attempt to reason with you". I have no understanding of what you think is "plainly at variance to our standards". Obviously there is room in the articles for several photos providing different views. Please do explain with respect to specific articles, what you think is wrong. I don't expect to enjoy this discussion, but at least we are sort of talking, maybe. If you have gone and deleted the photos already, i'll tend to want to take back any conciliatory tone. --doncram 01:46, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Well i see you had gone and deleted them. I restored them. In one edit summary you assert something about a non-existent page wp:FILE. I can follow a link from that to a style guide, where indeed there is a suggestion that one can create a gallery on commons. That's a good idea when there are lots of pics, like for some HD articles where there are 50 pics and a gallery in the article itself is cumbersome. That style guide does not preclude the use of a small gallery, like for 3 pics in the given bridge article case. You have really dogmatic reading of the guide to feel you must remove good content.

In other edit summaries I think you are suggesting that for a short article it is impossible to alternate pic placement satisfactorily. It is not a reasonable conclusion to delete the photos. Expand the article, perhaps? Don't you have Ohio sources? Why are the Ohio articles not more developed by now. --doncram 01:55, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

I wonder why you say that WP:FILE is nonexistent. It's existed since 2008, and when you left this comment, it was a redirect to Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style/Images, which is quite relevant for the issue at hand. Nyttend (talk) 04:26, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Lucy Lippard file

Hi there, I'm responding to your speedy deletion of a photo I uploaded of art critic Lucy Lippard. The image is from flickr (not my account) and licensed as Attribution-NonCommercial 2.0 Generic (CC BY-NC 2.0). The license explicitly states that this image can be circulated, altered, etc. as long as attribution is given and the image is used for non-commercial purposes. I provided a rationale as well as attribution, and Misplaced Pages is a non-commercial site. It does not make sense to me that it was deleted under F9, Unambiguous copyright infringement. Furthermore, there are no free alternatives to this image. I understand uploading this image to Misplaced Pages with attribution as fair use. Can you explain why you believe that is not the case? --Arthistorygrrl (talk) 15:45, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Zipcode directory

Hi-The zipcode directory you put together for starting articles on unincorporated communities that have zipcodes is very useful. I like starting articles about unincorporated communities. the communities have their own history. Many thanks for the zipcode directory.RFD (talk) 17:12, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Linky?? I would love to see itCoal town guy (talk) 17:56, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

The link is:User: ZIP-thanks-RFD (talk) 18:44, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

GROOOOVYCoal town guy (talk) 18:54, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

A word of caution, if you removed any bluelinks from the list, please make sure they are not redirects. I have come across a few on the list that were redirected-thanks-RFD (talk) 01:03, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Generally, I've removed only articles. I've made some exceptions: sometimes the post office name is different from the municipal name, whether completely different ("Boelus" is the post office name for Howard City, Nebraska), or sometimes there's different punctuation or capitalisation, such as the occasional LaSomething, Statename when the article is at La Something, Statename or Lasomething, Statename. However, I've kept the blue links there when they've been redirected to some other place, such as disambiguation pages or articles about other communities. Nyttend (talk) 04:03, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

The effort is duly appreciated in any form. Kentucky is a spiders nest as far as nomenclature and any help with those communities requires the patience of JobCoal town guy (talk) 14:01, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

I created them a few years ago from the deleted lists of ZIP codes in each state (deletion discussion); since I've actively used them for a purpose instead of just keeping them around, they aren't a problem either as a repost or as a WP:FAKEARTICLE. I figured that they'd be useful for starting articles; while we've established consensus that all real communities are notable, it's easier to argue notability when there's something official there: those who doubt inherent notability generally seem to be more easily convinced of the notability of something that's not just a dot on a map, and I like to fill out articles with something more than just a single GNIS feature record. Nyttend (talk) 01:14, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

I lived many many in some of those dots on a map, they are very real and just as notable as some "larger" places. Dont get me wrong, I loved London and Munich just fine, but I love my small coal towns tooCoal town guy (talk) 02:41, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

No disagreement with your sentiment. I was referring to places that are just dots on the map, as far as our sourcing goes (i.e. nobody seems to live there anymore, and they never had anything official except for appearances on USGS quads), but not trying to demean them. Nyttend (talk) 02:56, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

My apologies, I saw no disrespect at all and I am thankful for your help hereCoal town guy (talk) 23:12, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Deleted image rationale

Not for nothing (it's a non-issue) but you do realize that the rationale you gave for deleting File:RussanRiverBrewingLogo.jpg was a bit inaccurate -- the file hadn't been on Misplaced Pages for more than 48 hours... let alone the seven days you cited. I know, from previous encounters with you, what a stickler you are for rules, policies and regulations and whatnot, so I just wanted to point that out to you. Ryecatcher773 (talk) 14:16, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

User:Conk 9 and 6 years of copyvios

Based on your comments here, I thought that you'd be interested in Commons:Deletion requests/Files by Conk 9 and socks and Misplaced Pages:Possibly unfree files/2012 October 20.--GrapedApe (talk) 04:15, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Baynard Rush Hall

Hello! Your submission of Baynard Rush Hall at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! BlueMoonset (talk) 04:21, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

ZIP codes R US

Hey there-

I have a few questions that hopefully you can help with. I am at this time hitting all of the KY olocations that have a zip but no article. HOWEVER, I noticed that the WV list is crossed out. SO, does this mean we have hit all WV locations, OR not? IF we have not, is there any way that list can be restored and I would tackle that as well. Again, many thanks for the listCoal town guy (talk) 15:48, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

The Swindon Town Swoodilypoopers

I see that you removed the Misplaced Pages entry for The Swindon Town Swoodilypoopers. I urge you to reconsider this terrible decision. The Swindon Town Swoodilypoopers are an incredibly important, vital cultural identity (one that should certainly be searchable on the fine establishment of Misplaced Pages). I hope that, in the future, you will research things that you delete rather than doing things impulsively that you have not thought out or about which you have not attempted to find more. You are a horrible person, and should feel bad.

You are named in an Arbcom request

Here. Cla68 (talk) 00:16, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Baynard Rush Hall

On 27 October 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Baynard Rush Hall, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Baynard Rush Hall was the first professor at Indiana University? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Baynard Rush Hall. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:02, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

IP editor

I'm still convinced that this editor is Lui2021 because he keeps on adding copyrighted material (case in point, this), as well as posting inaccurate info. Plus, I'm noticing that he's been stealing info from sports websites and posting them here, which is what Lui2021 did in the past. Platinum Star (talk) 02:58, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

please provide copy of page you just deleted

At my Talk page, you asked me "to write substantially less". Okay, how about this: do you understand that, in the deleted article, I was actually trying to comply with what I thought you wanted? And that I wrote that into wp:NRHPhelpOH? What advice would you give to any editor starting Ohio NRHP articles? What would you change in wp:NRHPhelpOH? --doncram 20:02, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Beatrice Hicks

I've added 300 characters of prose. I believe Template:Did you know nominations/Beatrice Hicks is ready to go live. On the off chance that you also do GA reviews, the article has been waiting to be reviewed for a few days as well. Sven Manguard Wha? 05:32, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Thank you for getting and supporting the "joke", which has led to the creation and improvement of articles in Wisconsin and Australia like Gibraltar District School No. 2, which is just fantastic. :D

LauraHale (talk) 03:13, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Ah well. Then just coincidence. ;) Another editor and I have nominated 7 articles not in that European country with Gibraltar in the name for DYK. 2 are in Wisconsin, 3 in the Australian Capital Territory, 1 in New South Wales and 1 in Western Australia. I got the idea to do it after I saw Gibraltar on a map at a museum and was like ZOMG! DID NOT KNOW! Anyway, your article is really impressive. I wish I could write that well. :) --LauraHale (talk) 03:23, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Just really awesome work. :D There are a number of places in Australia I could work on... but I got to the point where I thought it had become akin to beating a dead horse, and I should work more on stuff for n:Wikinews:IPC Nor-Am Cup Misplaced Pages wise. Writing Misplaced Pages articles is good research for interviews. But any more work on USA Gibraltar articles would be nice. :D (Or if anything with a similar name in Asia or Africa or South America or elsewhere in Oceania...) --LauraHale (talk) 03:38, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome for the photo of the Gibraltar school #2. I have replied more in depth on my talk page. Royalbroil 05:33, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi-I started the Gibraltar, Washington article and added GNIS to the Gibraltar, Pennsylvania. Both need infoboxes. I hope you can make them DYK articles out of them-thanks-RFD (talk) 13:21, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

CSD G5 declined

Hello!
You recently declined the CSD G5 request of the article List of awards and nominations received by Hina Khan given reason that "Several people have made substantial contributions here". I would hence like to point out who those several people are. The wikisense tool lists down top contributors as follows:

• User:119.73.46.2 - Geolocates to Islamabad
• User:182.182.21.96 - Geolocates to Islamabad
• User:Amina ashraf khan - Proven sock of User:Mr Hamza. If you ask some regular check users on his case, they would confirm his location also to be same.
• User:119.73.34.219 - Geolocates to Islamabad
• User:Bgwhite - Now him i would call as the genuine 2nd different person.
• User:119.73.47.154 - Geolocates to Islamabad

Do you want to reconsider your "several people" statement now? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 04:05, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

List of Regular Show episodes

On my talk page I've accepted that I made a pig's ear of this — got carried away after deleting the verbatim copyright of Regular Show (season 4). I'm not quite clear what you are asking me to do, you seem to be suggesting that I redelete, but I'm not clear why, given that I made an error in the first place. Is there a "don't" missing, or this this a technical thing that I'll need explained to me? Also not sure about the wheeling comment, I've never edited this before Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:56, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for reply. I'm not convinced that this article is as kosher as I've been told by all and sundry.

• For the season 4 article that I deleted, a search with the first sentence of each episode description led to the corresponding verbatim description of that episode on the cartonnnetwork website
• On the main article, I did the same on a couple of episodes, I've picked a few more at random below eg.

• episode 66 first sentence search gives this
• 73 gives this
• 78 gives this
• Sigh... and the season 4 blatant copyright violation ( I used the same search for first sentence) has been reincorporated into the main article

If you are prepared to defend this stuff, it's up to you, and I'm not going to wheel. I got flamed once, and I've no intention of inviting another onslaught. I'm walking away from this, if you think there's anything I really have to do, technicality or not, then take it to ANI. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:47, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

but I'm not guaranteeing that I'll ignore season 4 if it's split off again. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:47, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

My apologies for the unjustified comment above, and I got myself into this mess by deleting the whole article. I'm not really a quitter — and even the less civil comments by other editors on my talk page were a bit half-hearted compared to some I get. If we are keeping the article, there is a risk that we will tread on each other's toes, so let me know what you want me to do, and I'll do it Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:27, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

To be honest, you've lost me. AFAIK, I deleted the season 4 separate article as per usual, deleted the main article as normal, and I don't think I've restored anything. I don't even know what these meta powers are, let alone have rights (; Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:02, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

I knew i shouldn't be playing with kryptonite Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:16, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Reaper Eternal (talk) 13:07, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Gibraltar District School No. 2

Whoops! I should have discussed with you before making the edit. Sorry. If you see any other edits I make that are incorrect, please tell me. Thank you. On another note, would you mind taking a look at WP:Henry Muhlenberg? The last bullet point in Legacy and Honors has his middle name spelled as Melchoir. It should be Melchior. The error was made at the National Register of Historic Places because Melchior is spelled correctly in the application. Thanks for all you do. Respectfully, Tiyang (talk) 20:51, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Re: Orphaned talk page

No, i will only tag for acknowledgment of admin whether page move to article or delete. Is not my job to justify whether that talk is legitimate to become article because in first if it is legitimate, why user want to create in talk page, and not article itself. Thats the point. --Aleenf1 15:48, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Apologise, i think i'm overreacted to you. I knew your intention, but fair to say i'm not a good judge, many admins already mention about this, still my answer will be the same. Thanks. --Aleenf1 14:31, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

True Capitalist Radio

I see that you have deleted the "True Capitalist Radio" page right here on Misplaced Pages. What made you do that? Mario Saenz 16:53, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Fair use question

Sorry if I'm misreading something here, but to save myself from making the same mistake in future, in what way was File:HashashinvsKnight.jpg not a "non-free image that is tagged with a clearly invalid fair-use tag"? It's somebody's blatantly copyrighted artwork that's been uploaded with the fair-use claim of "this is for critical commentary of the artwork/artist/genre in question and it's also a press kit image", but there is no such commentary (just a vague caption on the Assassins article of how it is an "archetypal illustration") and it's not from a press kit. Or am I misunderstanding what "With exception of the two specific instances above" means here? --McGeddon (talk) 11:28, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

CD covers

About File:Rebel cd cover.jpg, File:Daruvu cd cover.jpg and File:Gabbar singh cd cover.jpg, note that although the images were nominated as functional duplicates, the uploader replaced the other images in the article on 27 October while the deletion discussion was still running. The images were nevertheless deleted per WP:NFCC#3a on 1 November because it would be possible to reduce the number of non-free images by reverting the modifications made on 27 October. G4 looks correct to me: the article used the same non-free images when the deletion discussions were closed. --Stefan2 (talk) 15:32, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

As WP:G4 says, "This excludes...pages to which the reason for the deletion no longer applies". Nyttend (talk) 15:41, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Well, the reason did still apply 12 hours ago when the files were deleted, and the only edits to two of the articles since then has been reversion of User:ImageRemovalBot. The third page has changed a little, but not in a way which would suggest that the original deletion reason no longer applies. --Stefan2 (talk) 15:47, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Long Branch

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

Hi Nyttend.

Thank you for intervening with this edit war.

Fwagent (suspended from editing) and one of his IP addresses 206.248.139.134 (also suspended), and I suspect other aliases (HarrisArsenault, Jason Steeven Peck) continue to post fraudulent content to the Long Branch page.

Their posted information is mostly about areas outside the boundaries of Long Branch '(please look at the links to City of Toronto zoning maps I put on Misplaced Pages for Long Branch, Toronto as well as New Toronto and Mimico).

Those will confirm the accuracy of the boundary info I am posting - which the others keep removing.

Some attempts to damage the New Toronto page have also occurred. Mimico to a lesser extent.

In previous edits of Long Branch there have been links to Penthouse magazine, as well as commercial websites (e.g. reference #10 about a Polish Church).

I have worked over the years to ensure accurate content of Wiki pages for The Lakeshore communities in southwest Toronto (South Etobicoke).

I am not only a lifelong resident of the area, but a recognized Local Historian in The Lakeshore.

I have also won two awards for my local historical work (2011), including the Jean Hibbert Award from the Etobicoke Historical Society

( see: Jean Hibbert Memorial Award

The Winner of the Jean Hibbert Memorial Award for 2011 is PAUL CHOMIK)

Do an internet search on this and you will see a photo of me receiving the award.

Do an internet search on my name, and you will see a longstanding community involvement in The Lakeshore area.

I take this stuff seriously - it is my community.

I endeavour to try and make the info on Misplaced Pages as accurate as possible, and have even re-posted small pieces of content to the pages in question that I thought may be valid - even though they originated with the editing vandals.

Never facing problems like this before on Wiki, I am still learning about vandalism and how to go about posting warnings, attaching my names to messages, etc.

Even though Misplaced Pages's aim is for anyone to post information, problem edits seriously compromise the integrity of the site - particularly when false content continues to be re-posted and factual content is removed.

These pages to the best of my knowledge, had never been vandalized until Sunday October 28, 2012.

I hope that you will be able to figure out a way to overcome the problem edits and false content.

Thanks again for taking this matter seriously and intervening.

Paul

Paul Chomik (talk) 00:53, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

I edit articles mostly related to cities in Canada, and I've never seen edit wars in the several years I've been editing Misplaced Pages like those on the Toronto neighbourhood articles for Long Branch, New Toronto, and Mimico by the same group of users. For some context, these are three adjacent west-end neighbourhoods along the Lake Ontario waterfront.

I would revert them to the last version before the edit wars and fully protect them. Admittedly I may have added fuel to the fire by restoring the articles to the way they were before the dozens or hundreds of subsequent edits, but I always explained why. I normally would manually merge constructive edits with the previous good formatting, but here it was impossible because of the number of edits. There's a serious problem that I see: not only is content being edited (which is fair enough), but these users are applying some formatting that is disrupting the flow of the article and not in accordance with Misplaced Pages's guidelines and the conventions one can see in countless similar articles, like for instance The Annex.

The same problems are arising on all three articles, but let's take a look at New Toronto. For some reason, these editors are adding two spaces between every paragraph. A "Sources" subsection has been created near the beginning of the article under "Boundaries" instead of using inline citations and a reference section. Furthermore, every footnote citation should come after the punctuation, not before it, but this was completely changed for no reason. Under "History" the recent edits have arbitrarily deviated from the subsection formatting hierarchy using equation signs (see Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style/Layout#Body sections. At the end of the day, it should be clear to those editing that these articles no longer look like Misplaced Pages articles.

And there's more. The "Institutions" section is full of red links because those local institutions don't have Misplaced Pages articles at the moment and may never have them. Various functional links have been changed for no apparent reason to the version that redirects. For instance, Etobicoke became Etobicoke (note the redirect). A gallery has been added at the end (strangely beyond even the "external links") section which is untitled, contains similar photos, and does not seem to amount to more than an image depository, flying in the face of Misplaced Pages:Gallery#Image galleries.

I know that content is key, but Misplaced Pages has conventions for formatting to keep things consistent and readable. As an editor, I add content and strive towards consistency with the Manual of Style. To see good articles treated this way is unacceptable, no matter the good intentions of the recent editors. I'd keep their constructive edits and using the better pre-edit war formatting, but it's impossible to manually go through all those edits. And I feel they'd revert it anyway calling it vandalism. It's rather amateurish. The editing isn't building on the years of previous work that went into these articles; it's a rogue "my way or the highway" approach that seems careless and is hurting the quality of the articles. -A.Roz (talk) 03:51, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

The Reason for the deletion of the page for Felix Vasquez

I was looking up Felix Vasquez and I found that the page for him had been deleted for 'non-importance'. I wanted to know exactly why he was considered non-important, especially since he won the New York City's Bronze Medallion. Thank you for your time.

Kaileia Kaileia (talk) 01:03, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Boris Malagurski

Hi Nyttend,

I'm just drawing your attention to the Boris Malagurski wiki page as I have noticed that several editors have had extensive issues with its tendency to negate criticism of Boris and his work. These issues range from having the page nominated for deletion, to exposing self-promotion, to several facts being left out that have a different point-of-view on Boris. I'm not sure how to better round the article to fully reflect the controversy as well as Boris, so perhaps a controversy section is in order? Either way, several valid points have been made prior to this one and there is a clear line of avoiding all view-points as expressed by several editors. Just want to make sure that the page gets its due process by taking into consideration this very important issue, as well as not ignoring the controversies that currently stand. As well, I have noticed that the editor, UrbanVillager, has a tendency to negate at his own convenience. This may be viewed as incorrect, so I leave the decision and attention up to you. Regards: 114.172.134.168 (talk) 01:48, 3 November 2012 (UTC)Reads wiki for fun

Pyramid Mound @ DYK

Hi there. Thanks for your contribution of an interesting & informative article on the Vincennes Pyramid Mound! I made some comments at the DYK nomination page. groupuscule (talk) 04:05, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for your help! Kharzaiii (talk) 15:29, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Pyramid Mound

Archaeological work: Please read second paragraph, last sentence. A missing word?

If you have time, would you look at my edits for 3 and 4 November. I have been watching DYK nominations and made Minor edits at several controversial articles. If you see anything to revert, please just do it. Thank you. Respectfully, Tiyang (talk) 07:35, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for calling my attention to Your recent edits. Maybe I was unclear in my comment. What I meant to say is that in the 1890s, to the best of my memory, the concept of Mississippian (at least the term) was not yet in use. I am currently in Mongolia, so I can't check any books to be sure. Some of Your other edits have helped the article.Kdammers (talk) 03:25, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

How many images in a a stub?

User:Thundersnow is systematically going through NRHP articles removing images, leaving only one. He has done this to more than fifty pages. He supports this with WP:NOGALLERY, see his comment at User_talk:Thundersnow#Blue_Hills_Headquarters.2C_etc. I have asked that he at least add a {{commons}} link to the other images, but he doesn't.

It seems to me that even if the article is thin, that two images are not too many, particularly if the NRHP site is a district with many structures. Since I'm arguing about my own images and articles, I have something of a conflict -- perhaps, if you agree, you could make him see sense. I should add that he is relatively new, beginning August 12, 2012, but has 3,400 edits, many of them useful. Thanks. . . Jim - Jameslwoodward (talk to me • contribs) 11:03, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

A single non-infobox picture isn't a problem, but image galleries indeed aren't a good idea. I do agree that he's going a bit too fast; he's often adding some of my pictures to lists (example) because I upload in batches and take a while to get all of them added, during which time my images show up in Multichill's list of unused images. However, it's not a big enough deal for me to worry about asking him. Could you link some of the other image removals that concern you, so I can ask him about them if necessary? Thanks, by the way, for the DR on the courthouse pictures. Nyttend (talk) 13:14, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Abismo de pasión

Can this article be semi protected for one day? I warned 3 IP editors for introducing incorrect info. Today isn't November 5 in the USA, yet the editor keeps on insisting that Univision has already broadcasted the last episode of ADP. This video clearly states that the last episode will be broadcast tomorrow at 8pm EDT for two hours. Platinum Star (talk) 04:57, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Objection on Reverting Tag for speedy deletion.

Hi, Nyttend i have seen that you have reverted the tag placed on a redirect page (Portal:Al-Qur'an). As there is no redirect links to the page (As shown here) so i believe it should be deleted therefore placing the tag again. If there is an objection please feel free to correct me. Thanks. -- Ibrahim ebi (talk) 15:20, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

On similar thought if it is not convincing to you. You can see my reply at Portal talk:Al-Qur'an -- Ibrahim ebi (talk) 18:11, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Voting - Naming Conventions for Geographic Names

FYI, see Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names)#RfC:_US_city_names. I also recommend that you put a "watch" on that page. • Sbmeirow • Talk • 23:35, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Holmes County Courthouse (Ohio)

On 6 November 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Holmes County Courthouse (Ohio), which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the Holmes County Courthouse in Millersburg, Ohio, has an area for horse-and-buggy parking for the county's heavy Amish population? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Holmes County Courthouse (Ohio). You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:02, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Pyramid Mound

On 8 November 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Pyramid Mound, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Pyramid Mound (pictured) in the U.S. state of Indiana really isn't a mound? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Pyramid Mound. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:02, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Deletion review for UFC on FX: Johnson vs. McCall

An editor has asked for a deletion review of UFC on FX: Johnson vs. McCall. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Oskar Liljeblad (talk) 11:31, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

WP:AN

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Reaper Eternal (talk) 18:02, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

FYI

See the deleted talk page at Talk:MFH (band). I think you will find the reason for not deleting the article interesting. =) -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 06:39, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Hobart Steel houses

(Deletion log); 03:46 . . Nyttend (talk | contribs) deleted page House at 203 Penn Road ‎(R3: Recently created, implausible redirect)
(Deletion log); 03:46 . . Nyttend (talk | contribs) deleted page House at 1022 West Main Street ‎(R3: Recently created, implausible redirect)
(Deletion log); 03:46 . . Nyttend (talk | contribs) deleted page House at 145 South Ridge ‎(R3: Recently created, implausible redirect)
(Deletion log); 03:46 . . Nyttend (talk | contribs) deleted page House at 121 South Ridge ‎(R3: Recently created, implausible redirect)
(Deletion log); 03:46 . . Nyttend (talk | contribs) deleted page William Hobart Vacation House ‎(R3: Recently created, implausible redirect)
(Deletion log); 03:46 . . Nyttend (talk | contribs) deleted page E.A. Hobart House ‎(R3: Recently created, implausible redirect)
(Deletion log); 03:46 . . Nyttend (talk | contribs) deleted page Hobart Circle Historic District ‎(R3: Recently created, implausible redirect)
(Deletion log); 03:45 . . Nyttend (talk | contribs) deleted page House at 129 South Ridge ‎(R3: Recently created, implausible redirect)

Sorry for the late response; I worked late yesterday and didn't sign on at all. No, this is not meant as a personal insult. This is a course that I would take with anyone who repeatedly creates implausible redirects. This is a course that I would take with anyone who's obviously creating pages solely for the purpose of having something be a bluelink. In fact, this is a course that I would take with any pages like this, regardless of the state; I simply don't find them, because unlike with other states, I track the Ohio articles. Do this with pages such as User:Nyttend/Indiana NRHP/Allen and I probably won't catch you. I've found many such pages created by other people; the difference is that they're substantially older, so deleting them or moving them into userspace would be disruptive. You may have observed that I recently edited other Ohio articles that you created, and because they're decent stubs, I only expanded them. As far as the list, with which I have done nothing except normal editing — you've basically put a little prose from the county list. This is not enough to support a redirect; otherwise we'd create every single title as a redirect to its county list. Just think: if we did that, would you say that the redirects were plausible, that people wanting information on a specific site would be intending to reach the county list? It's time for you to do like you've told other people: request the nominations and write a substantive article, because until you do or until someone else does, these will remain redlinks. And you mention "should" — that's because you're going to waste my time with cleaning up after you, since a company obviously isn't a house built in any year. Meanwhile, because I have followed your demands and read your seven kilobytes of talk page message, I don't have time for anything else. This is the last time I will do this; if you continue to bloat my talk page with such long notes, I will remove them without reading them, and I will consider you not to have responded because of a failure to say something that I can handle. Nyttend (talk) 12:51, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Second language acquisition

I have proposed that Category:Second language acquisition be renamed to Category:Second-language acquisition, and I am notifying you because you either participated in discussions about the hyphenation of "second(-)language acquisition" on the article's talk page, or because you participated in the previous CfD discussion. I would be grateful if you could give your opinion on the latest discussion, which you can find at Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 November 10#Category:Second language acquisition. Thank you for your time. — Mr. Stradivarius 03:14, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Missouri towns

I originally posted a question about towns no longer existing in Missouri, but after the fact I realized the settlement_type in the infobox has been updated for them so I can determine which is a village now and which is a city based on that. So no need for a response anymore.Jamo2008 (talk) 06:01, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Louisville and 51.1%

Thanks for all the Louisville pix. While the NRHP tables were slightly over 50% illustrated for the last few weeks, it's now clearly over 50% (at 51.1%). See Commons ... stats (at the bottom) It's your photos that helped make the clear difference. (870 photos for a full 1% - I wonder who else uploaded in the last few days?) You might also want to click the US link on that table, or just go here. If you sort this table (twice) by "Total number" then look at the middle column "image%" you'll get a pretty good idea where we are missing major chunks of photos. In particular, LA county CA, jumps out, then Jefferson County, KY, a few counties in New England, then the "big opportunity" St. Louis, MO.

The tables are a good tool in any case. And thanks again for the pix.

Smallbones_(smalltalk) 16:36, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Legobot tagging broken redirects

Hi Nyttend, I would appreciate if you could take a look at User talk:Legobot#Blocked and possibly weigh in on the solution I have proposed. Thanks, Legoktm (talk) 00:42, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Eagle eyes

Thanks for the message. How do you account in the DYK statistic since Eagle eyes got 8483] hits while Eagle eye shows 1800 hits. Do I add both--Nvvchar. 03:56, 13 November 2012 (UTC)?

Eagle eyes

Thanks for the message. How do I account in the DYK statistic since Eagle eyes got 8483] hits while Eagle eye shows http://stats.grok.se/en/201211/Eagle_eye 1800 hits? Do I add both?--Nvvchar. 03:59, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Ohio City, Van Wert, OH Copyright violation

Is it just me is the entire history a word-by-word reproduction of this? It doesn't talk about any more or any less of the material covered. Mitch32 14:51, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Fine with me, just caught my attention. Eventually I will get to writing Ohio City (Erie Railroad station) but that's going to be a while. Mitch32 00:35, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Ferlo Desert

Nyttend, you are so awesomely nice to have nom'ed Ferlo Desert! I don't know, though that it qualifies, what with all the quotes and such. Cheers, --Rosiestep (talk) 01:44, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

SDPatrolBot Task

- Kingpin (talk) 12:12, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Erica Grow Speedy Deletion

Comment on my talk page from another user is correct in the assessment that the appropriate arena was AFD given notability assertions. Bad call, jumping the gun on your part. I expect your speedy deletion of Al Roker forthwith if you are going to be even minimally consistent in misinterpreting SD policies. --ColonelHenry (talk) 15:46, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Park Site

Thanks for asking, but I really don't know the answer. Park Site has got to be so common a name as to be essentially useless. I'm not sure that Park Site (Lancaster County, Pennsylvania) is much better in distinguishing it. Park Site (Lancaster, Pennsylvania) is technically incorrect, even though the park borders on the city. Using the trinomial would at least distinguish it, but doesn't give much info to most readers. BTW I'm pretty sure that the ball field pic is not the exact site, but there are 2 or 3 possibilities that are pretty close, in the trees along the ridge. A pic of the exact site, if I wanted to guess it, would just show tree trunks and branches and wouldn't be any more informative. Hope this helps. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 16:19, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Park Site (36LA96) seems ok to me. You might explain what 36LA96 means in the article, or maybe even start a short article on "Smithsonian trinomials" (or whatever sounds best). I did do a bit more research on the site today - the nomination and the park website. I don't remember if I knew about the plaque before, but I'd think it's pretty hard to find unless you know exactly where it is. It does however rule out the usual reasons for not photographing Address Restricted sites. My on-the-ground search was limited to about 15 minutes of walking, mostly north of the tower plus about 15 minutes of driving all the little lanes. If I were to search again I'd concentrate on SW of the tower. The park site does say that they exhibit artifacts, which I guess are European trade goods, so if I go there again I'll try for the artifacts. If they are in glass cases, though, I usually get pretty bad results. See Duffy's Cut for the best 5% of my photos there!

I've been meaning to wrap up the WLM photo contest over at WT:NRHP when I figure out what I want to say. While I'm quite happy with the results .... I'll also bring up the issue about the upload buttons, which I have mixed feeling on. Your input would certainly be welcomed. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 18:36, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Looks pretty good to me. I added the park website, and I say "in the township" rather than "at the township." As far as Smithsonian trinomials - I say WP:IAR (3rd time this year). A blog is better than nothing, and when you find a good source you'll be able to go back to it and find out 2 other good sources are there already. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 03:11, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Potential admin candidates

What do you think about User:Darkwind? Kaldari (talk) 19:12, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

He seems like he has all the necessary stats, even 330 AfD edits. Only problem is he suddenly stopped editing 4 weeks ago :( Kaldari (talk) 19:16, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Re:Osea

Why? YE 03:40, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Boundary increases

Hi Nyttend ... Apparently, you object to the way I've chosen to include boundary adjustment information in the NRHP tables. Can you explain why? --sanfranman59 (talk) 18:37, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Since I spend much of my Misplaced Pages time updating the lists with new listings, I'm guessing that I've edited at least a majority of these articles. I can tell you that there's quite a bit of variability in the way boundary adjustment information is displayed. In any case, "that's the way we've always done it" doesn't mean there's not a better or equally valid different way to do it. As for putting the dates and the reference numbers in the Summary column, given our recent exchange about what belongs and what doesn't belong in that column, I find it odd that you think that kind of trivia belongs there. Since it's additional information that's related to the location, isn't it more appropriately included in that column? Also, you don't include the reference numbers in what you enter in the Summary column. Since this information is useful for finding nomination documents, I think it belongs in the tables (although perhaps it could be commented out).

And by the way, I've been an active and constructive editor of these pages for a long time now. It seems to me that before you summarily undo my work, you could at least extend the courtesy of explaining why you think your way of doing things is superior to mine. In my opinion, your attitude toward the Ohio and also at least some of the Indiana lists borders on WP:OWN. As an admin, you well know that Misplaced Pages is a collaborative work. A little more collegiality on your part would be most welcome. --sanfranman59 (talk) 21:38, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your replies on my talk page (and great photo of St. Anthony's, by the way ... we've got similar cameras ... mine's a PowerShot A620). I can get with the idea of using the {{cref}} system for the boundary increase information. But I'm not completely clear about how you're suggesting we use it. Can you create an example of what you have in mind in your sandbox? You say we can "put the addresses of the boundary increase into the table like normal". If by "normal" you mean the way you currently enter the information with just a semi-colon between the addresses, I don't like that because I don't think the general audience is going to recognize the significance of the semi-colon. And I don't think referring to the boundary adjustment addresses as a "second set of addresses" makes it very clear in many cases where the addresses from the original historic district listing may include a number of different addresses and streets. That's why I've taken to off-setting the boundary adjustments with bullets, making it clear that the addresses that follow are boundary increases or decreases (or both) and indicating the listing date and reference number for the adjustment. In answer to your question, "How is the date and the reference number of the boundary increase in the slightest way a part of the location?", my thinking is that the listing date and the reference number are associated with the boundary adjustment. Again, I don't feel strongly that the refnums should be displayed. After all, they're not displayed for the original listings. But they could simply be commented out if you prefer that they not show in the Location column or we can use the cref system for that information. --sanfranman59 (talk) 03:26, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

It seems to me that with statements like "the bullets don't work in the table, because the table isn't set up to have bullets" and "Dates of boundary increases don't belong in the address column", you're implying that they're accepted dogma rather than simply your opinion. In what way do bullets not work in a table? I make my living presenting data in an understandable manner. I see bullets in tables all the time. In my opinion, they work just fine in this case and they serve the purpose of making clear the distinction between the original boundaries and the boundary adjustments. In my opinion (again), the date of a boundary adjustment is of interest in the same way that the date of the original listing is of interest. Displaying the dates in the Location column in no way makes the information presented any less accessible. Most of your comments smack of "it's my way or the highway" and not collaboration. I'll tell you what. I'll just leave my hands off of what you seem to think are your parts of Misplaced Pages (in spite of the fact that I also have a particular interest in the Ohio lists as I spent my first 21 years there and still visit a couple of times each year). I'm tired of expending effort with perfectly reasonable edits only to have them reverted by your insistence that things be done exactly the way you prefer. --sanfranman59 (talk) 06:21, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

FYI ... I've attempted to initiate a discussion about this topic at WT:NRHP#Boundary adjustments. --sanfranman59 (talk) 21:45, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

List of Vidéotron Illico TV channels

Hey, Nyttend. With regards to User:Polo200/Sandbox, please see "List of Vidéotron Illico TV channels." It was deleted in the bundled AfD, Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/3rd bundle of channel lineups. The sandbox page is most certainly a longterm userfied version of identical deleted content. Per CSD G4, "A sufficiently identical and unimproved copy, having any title, of a page deleted via its most recent deletion discussion." I think that criteria absolutely applies, just as you found it did with "User:2679D/List of StarHub TV and mio TV channels."

I do understand it's a judgment call, but realistically by rejecting speedy deletion here, you'd just be delaying the inevitable. It's content that was previously deleted with an overwhelming consensus and will ultimately be deleted either by you or another administrator. -- Wikipedical (talk) 02:39, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Got your message. To your point, I would say that as far as I know, User:Nyttend/Ohio NRHP/Pickaway wasn't identical content of a previously deleted article that is just being stored in a user subpage.

See WP:FAKEARTICLE: "Userspace is not a free web host and should not be used to indefinitely host pages that look like articles, old revisions, or deleted content, or your preferred version of disputed content. Private copies of pages that are being used solely for long-term archival purposes may be subject to deletion." Polo's page hasn't been updated by Polo since 2009. It's most certainly a longterm archive of deleted content and can be deleted. -- Wikipedical (talk) 02:54, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

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deletion requests

I regret that I don't know the lingo that better expresses what I've done (above) or describe my concern. At the moment it's TV time (Stanford v. Oregon) with my dad, so I'll read up a bit more on the topic and give a better reply tomorrow. Thanks again.--S. Rich (talk) 02:02, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

I'll try again:

• The two Project banners on Talk:Cobblestone Elementary School now classify/assess it as a redirect. For California, the assessment show up on the banner. For Schools, it does not. Likewise, on the California Project listing of article assessments, Cobblestone Elementary School shows up as a redirect page. For the Schools Project listing of articles it does not because Schools does not track redirects.
• The editor comment on Talk: Cobblestone is preserved, but it has no relevance. It is a comment related to a page which no longer exists because of the redirect. (At one time the editor comment had relevance because there was a Cobblestone Elementary School article. That article page is gone because it was transformed into a redirect page.)
• With this in mind, I think it is okay to remove the Schools project banner because they do not assess/classify redirect pages. And since California does provide for redirect assessments/classifications, that banner can remain.
• This re-assessment/re-classification should take place on the other California project pages that incorrectly contain stub classifications. E.g., reassesses them as redirects.

Does this make sense? --S. Rich (talk) 14:55, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the response; I understand without difficulty what you say. However, I don't understand what's wrong with leaving the school banner; it goes without difficulty into Category:NA-Class school articles, a category with lots of pages that aren't California redirects. Why do you think that it doesn't belong in this category? Note that I'm about to leave on an out-of-state trip; I'll have marginal Internet access at best until tomorrow night. Nyttend (talk) 15:01, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Your edit summary mentioned reasoning. My motivation, which may explain the reasoning, was to clear out some of the California stubs. (I presume you caught sight of them when I nom'ed them as "non-articles".) Okay, I'll go back and reassess these stubs as redirects. They will stay in the NA-Class category, which is fine with me. Bon voyage. --S. Rich (talk) 17:05, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

I meant "what your reasoning for rejecting NA-class". Thanks for the clarification. Nyttend (talk) 21:07, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Paola Barrientos

It looks like Cambalachero forgot to notify you as requested when replying to your concerns in your review of the DYK. Can you please take a look and reply? Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:04, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

your AWB request

I note that some time ago you did some assessment of California redirect talk pages as redirects, e.g. Talk:Interstate 880 (Sacramento, California). Could you set up AWB to go through my contributions from 17 November 2012 and mark as redirect all the talk pages of redirects that I edited today? This would involve pages such as Talk:Gale Ranch middle school, Talk:Will Rogers Middle School (Lawndale), and Talk:Gonsalves Elementary School, which are currently marked as stubs. Nyttend (talk) 12:34, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

I would be glad to help, but it has been some time since I used AWB, and I was never an expert when I did use it. I'm not sure I would be able to make AWB do what you want it to. I can look into it further, and maybe I could cobble something together. A more proficient editor might be able to help you better. Rpyle731 01:42, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Offensive username contest

There's really no need for that SPI, since Salvio giuliano (talk · contribs) hs already {{checkuserblock-account}}'ed the other five accounts. (They had really obvious usernames anyway.) Do you mind if I delete that SPI per WP:DENY? Getting people to file SPIs and ANI threads is exactly what the troll wants. Thanks! Reaper Eternal (talk) 13:42, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Reaper Eternal (talk) 13:56, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

photos

Thanks for the adding the Ing-Rich Beaver Falls photo. I've wanted to do this for sometime, but live too far away to go there often. Would you be interested in assisting me in creating a page for the company? I have a strong family connection to the company but am uncertain of such a page would be notable enough for inclusion here. --T1980 (talk) 04:24, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Fiddle Faddle (talk) 10:07, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

And once more there :). I'm glad I managed to explain it better. Perhaps that needs to be distilled into the essay? I fear I am standing too close to the original piece to do it justice, though? Might you consider having a go? Fiddle Faddle (talk) 15:46, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Rename page

Here are suggestions to rename Relation of Kirchnerism with the press:

• Conflict between Kirchnerism and independent media
• Conflict between the Argentine Government and independent media
• Press conflict during Cristina Fernández administration
• Argentina's government-media fight
• Government-media fight on Cristina Fernández administration

Not sure which. Please choose one for me =P --Neo139 (talk) 18:44, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Well this is awkward...

...but your move. Swarm 20:23, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

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DYK for Spencer Township Hall

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deletion of Empire of Aryavart

I was clearly in the middle of editing it, I have references and many articles it could have had importance in (micronation, Flags of micronations, et cetera) and had not added it yet because I WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF DOING SO. Please revert it's deletion. --OCCullens (talk) 22:56, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

• I have searched for it on the Internet, but the "alternate government" seems to have only been mentioned on micronation wikis. - Mike Rosoft (talk) 22:58, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Most references aren't indexed by google, but I will remove any unsourced content in the event that it gets restored.--OCCullens (talk) 23:02, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

Cheers for that. There are actually a few similar articles all nominated by the same guy that I've declined; they all claim appearances for major clubs, though some of them only claim a few. Do you agree? Basalisk ⁄_berate 04:42, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Heads up

Hi Nyttend, I've reverted your edit to Template:No article text per the reasoning in my edit summary. Graham87 11:42, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

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Fairfield, Iowa

Hi Nytend, per talk page consensus I just merged Fairfield Arts & Convention Center with Fairfield, Iowa. If you have a minute, could you check the Arts and Culture section and see if it needs any pruning or adustments? Also what about these items (below)? Is there any place for them on the Fairfield, IA article? Thanks for all your help.

• http://www.fairfieldacc.com/ Official Site]
• Coord|41.009082|-91.963441|type:landmark|display=title}}
• Category:Convention centers in Iowa]]
• Category:Iowa culture]]
• Category:Music venues in Iowa]]
• Category:Theatres in Iowa]]
• Category:Buildings and structures in Jefferson County, Iowa]]
• Category:Visitor attractions in Jefferson County, Iowa]]
• -- — Keithbob • Talk • 20:44, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

When you redirect a not-so-notable topic to a more notable one, it's quite appropriate to put categories on the redirect. I've put all of these categories onto the redirect, and I've gone through the Arts and Culture section; I don't see any other substantial issues. I don't think that there's a good place for the convention center's website, and although I wish we could put coords in more places in articles, I don't see a good place to put it. Nyttend (talk) 20:51, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the speedy response and great insights. Still learning about merges and redirects. Thanks for your help! Happy holidays,-- — Keithbob • Talk • 02:44, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

blocking threat; disruption of wikipedia

I consider your newest threat of blocking to be totally out of line. I consider your own recent edits regarding MPS's to be contemptuous of the consensus of opinions of other editors. I commented in the open discussion item at wt:NRHP, please respond there. --doncram 17:31, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Umm, editor Nyttend, you posted the following at my Talk page: (begin copied material) Stop introducing errors, as you did with this edit to the introduction of National Register of Historic Places listings in Allen County, Indiana. Persistent addition of errors is vandalism and will result in blocking. Nyttend (talk) 17:24, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

This is your level 3 warning for introducing errors. Nyttend (talk) 17:34, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

(end copied material) I take your threats seriously, as if you do mean to intimidate me from editing in wikipedia, particularly on Ohio and Indiana articles that you seem to take a lot of ownership over. It happens that you have had disagreements about formatting and other matters in NRHP list-articles and individual articles. I think you are wrong to imply that you will use administrative powers to get your way, and I do resent your several postings with "warnings" against me. On the Allen County Indiana article, you have proceeded to make some edits removing material and making other changes, and I reverted you twice. Where we are in a BRD process is that you removed stuff boldly, and I reverted you, and i think you should discuss the content--i.e. the MPS information, where the discussion is already going on and where I pointed to you. You should not threaten to block me for disagreeing with you about the useful content. I do think that cumulatively there are a number of disagreements adding up, where some bigger level review of your behavior is becoming needed.

Anyhow I would like to clarify what you mean right now. To be clear, could you please explain what you mean by a "level 3" warning, what do you intend to convey? Honestly I don't know what you are intending to convey, what are you suggesting that I do. I looked around a little searching on "level 3" and don't immediately come to any explanation. Is the general gist of it that you wish to insult me, suggesting that i am a vandal? You know that is not true. --doncram 01:27, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

(new copied material you wrote)

You are to take my second message as a {{uw-error3}} (a template I'll not use here per WP:DTTR) for repeatedly introducing the erroneous claim that there was one former delisting. Let me remind you of your comments at Talk:National Register of Historic Places listings in northern Cincinnati, Ohio, where you accused of making productive edits in order to hide other things. I do not edit in bad faith, but as has been shown here, you consistently assume bad faith. By replacing accurate content with blatantly erroneous content, you're damaging the page, and by edit warring to force through this error, you've thrown away any reason I had to assume good faith. And by the way, I do not claim ownership of these pages; I will make the same edits on any other pages that I find where this kind of undue weight is placed. It's simply that I pay more attention to these pages than lists for California, Texas, or New York counties. Nyttend (talk) 01:40, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

(end new copied material)

Um, okay, I think i already got that you mean to be demeaning and insulting. Could you explain what you mean by uw-error3 then. Is this in some sequence, where you feel you have established something that then has bigger implications? I don't understand the larger context of that. Is there something specific that you mean to convey? Or should we both reduce this to childishness. Here, try this: I hereby give you my level 10 warning, you must desist or you may be blocked! Is that a valid message that I should convey back to you, in the same spirit?

I do accuse you of editing in bad faith--or having the appearance of that--at the Indiana county list-article, where you have removed material that is relevant and your removal seems to be wp:POINTY. Your proceeding by ignoring the discussion at wt:NRHP and wholly removing, rather than refining down, the MPS material, seems to me to be deliberately insulting. It is silly, I think, for you to suggest that in my reverting you, that I deliberately introduced incorrect material. Rather, there is stuff that can be improved there, yes, but your approach to removing other material at the same time, seems to be calculated to drive up the costs for anyone else in contesting your contra-consensus edits. As I explained already, I simply reverted you. You can change whatever you want to clarify about how many former listings there are, without removing the other material. Would agree to restore or stop removing the MPS material in a wholesale fashion? --doncram 01:57, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Read the template that I already linked; you'll understand my meaning. I will neither restore nor stop removing material that conflicts with a major component of a basic site policy. Edit-warring with someone else to force through a blatantly incorrect statement, besides being a good reason for reversion, is highly disruptive. Nyttend (talk) 02:21, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Talk-page lurker comment: How did any user accumulate >100,000 edits without being familiar with the system of graded warnings at Misplaced Pages:Template messages/User talk namespace? --Orlady (talk) 03:25, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I guess you mean "Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize pages by deliberately introducing incorrect information, you may be blocked from editing." Well, right back at you, you are disruptive and further you have abused your admin privileges several times recently, so here is a customized warning, call this level 4 to top yours: "Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to disrupt wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing, and worse". --doncram 03:59, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

A Dobos torte for you!

Thanks for helping me with my talk page. Your dazzling diligence deserves a delectable Dobos torte. Even if it is bestowed from someone with a blacklisted name. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 00:40, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Guokr

I even wasn't able to find out what's going on before it is speedy deleted. Could I state my argument here? One book of Ken Liu (a Nebula award winner) is published via Guokr, and Guokr has always been reported on the internet in China. There also has a group of users on Chinese wikipedia: zh:Category:果壳使用者. It is not completed and cited well though, but could you please restore it?--WWbread （Open Your Mouth?） 06:35, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks...

...for that. I was going to dig into it, and appreciate that you already did, satisfying my curiosity.  :) Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 09:10, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks and FYI

There's a deletion review ongoing Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2012 November 25 about the mass deletion at Misplaced Pages:Files for deletion/2012 November 17, some of which you've now reclosed keep. I'm not complaining, I appreciate the thought, but I don't want to escalate beyond scope, or start an admin/admin battle. At this point I wonder if the DRV should complete, so that my points might be consensed openly:

1. No more misquoting policy to exaggerate it and raise bar artificially high. Revert FFD noms which don't limit policy statements to exact quotes. Just link it and/or quote it, but that's all - all else must be identified as nominator's opinion with "IMO" or "IMHO".
2. No more not-from-NFCC-policy made-up deletion reasons (like "decorative"). Revert FFD noms which attempt to use non-NFCC reasons.
3. No more supervoting against consensus if at all possible (relisting instead).
4. Consensus that NFCC does not require critical discussion of an image, but it does require critical discussion of the image's topic/content in context of an article's topic.
5. Consensus that NFCC does not require an image to be the topic (acknowledging that its content is the topic). (Of course for art and photography articles, frequently the image is the topic. Elsewhere, the image itself is not the topic, and yet it still significantly increases understanding and identification of the topic.)

These are my hopes, vain though they may be. See you at the DRV? --Lexein (talk) 15:44, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Meigs County Courthouse (Ohio)

On 26 November 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Meigs County Courthouse (Ohio), which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Ohio's Meigs County Courthouse has at-grade entrances on all three floors? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Meigs County Courthouse (Ohio). You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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Mentioned you

You were mentioned on my talk page, which topic has now been copied to the NRHP talk page. Thundersnow 16:50, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

I think you crossed a line with your image undeletions

Your edit summary for the undeletions of the images currently at Misplaced Pages:Deletion_review/Log/2012_November_2 clearly show that your intent is to override the decision of a closing admin while that action is currently under discussion. While I don't want to appear beurocratic, that is not an acceptable use of your admin tools and I urge you to reverse yourself. You should have instead allowed the discussion to run its course. Your actions also appear to have encouraged another admin who was involved in the discussion to misuse their admin tools and undelete an additional image. Please reconsider your actions and do the right thing. Spartaz 16:54, 26 November 2012 (UTC)