• http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:FreplySpang&diff=prev&oldid=51754959
• http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Shanel&diff=prev&oldid=51754658
• http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Kungfuadam&diff=prev&oldid=51754508
• http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Academic_Challenger&diff=prev&oldid=51754377
• http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Kusma&diff=prev&oldid=51754208

Thanks. — nathanrdotcom 23:42, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Leaving a message on his talk page as you did was the appropriate thing to do, although being more polite wouldn't hurt. ~MDD4696 02:31, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I could've been, and I'll try to be. However, he just goes on even after my comment on his talk. I even linked to cruft and he just doesn't get it the concept. That's a bit frustrating. :| — nathanrdotcom 02:59, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

I completely understand what you mean, but I'm not sure there's anything you can do until it's more than an annoyance. There's all sorts of people on Misplaced Pages, and there will always be some that just don't "get it". ~MDD4696 04:37, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Btw, I was a bit more polite in the explanation the second time around (and I'm usually never sure how to word things), perhaps he'll get the idea this time. If there's anything I could've said/done better, please let me know on my talk. Thanks for the help. — nathanrdotcom 05:41, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm. Taking a good look at his talkpage, I'm not sure it's more politeness that's needed. He seems a little aggressive in defending his nonsense articles, coming close to harassment in some cases. Many of his invites to the Governor election have gone to administrators who've tried to deal with these articles, and with him. He seems to focus especially on the patient User:Academic Challenger (who told him in March, with uncharacteristic terseness, that "It is obvious that you are not President Bush"). I think it may be coming up to block time, and have dropped a note on Academic Challenger to see if there's anything he'd like to share. And in the Governor Cruft race, my vote goes to Eugene Cruft. Bishonen | talk 05:51, 7 May 2006 (UTC).

I have a lot of experience with this user. He seems to enjoy playing around with administrators. About a month ago he wrote an article called Charles Edward Cheese which I and several other admins deleted, but he kept recreating it for a while until finally he got tired of it and got me to agree to what he called a truce. I'm not sure what should be done with him. He seems to have made some good edits and from his user page he seems to be pretty intelligent, but I'm not sure how to get him to stop these types of actions. Basically I've politely responded to all of his messages and that seems to be working somewhat. Academic Challenger 05:54, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't know what on his userpage makes on think he is "pretty intelligent"; I don't get that impression. He lists himself in the non-existent category of "Wikipedians with an IQ of surprisingly high" which doesn't even obey the rules of English grammar. As for useful contributions, I don't see any in the last 50 edits. JoshuaZ 06:13, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, you are right that any useful edits he made were done a long time ago. I would support a block for disruption if he continues to add nonsense to article pages or talk pages. Academic Challenger 06:26, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Come on!

Look at this. The two other diffs before show quite a lot as well. PLEASE, admins, list pages you protect. You are welcome to use my monobook javascript for protecting pages (if you run the monobook skin), but please use this list. It has many advantages for Misplaced Pages and page protection, as it easy easy for all admins to get an overview of what is going on.Voice-of-All 07:43, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I've rarely found Misplaced Pages:List of protected pages useful at all. There are already at least a dozen categories for protected pages, and most editors discuss the protections on the protected page's talk page. When I place page protection, I keep it on my desk until I lift it, use the protections templates, and usually leave a note on it's talk. Is this breaking the policy? Perhaps, but it seems to be working. — xaosflux 14:12, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

All the protections I do are semi-protection of vandals' user talk pages, and I always stick a note at the top of my talk page header to remind me to take it off if/when the block expires. (Not only is it a page I see very often, but if I was run over by a bus, other people can see it.) And more recently I've protected some DYK images, and whoever does the next update always takes care of that. I don't see why any further notice of either type of protection is necessary. --Sam Blanning 15:10, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Yep, I keep a desk right on my main user page too, with ToDo's and blocks/protections to revist, its very usefull for me. — xaosflux 20:59, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

I borrowed yours as a "calendar". Nice idea, hope you don't mind. ;) RadioKirk talk to me 02:31, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah...I should mention that userpages protections are not really needed at WP:PP. I don't care much for those, but the other ones are important.Voice-of-All 17:57, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

I must be missing something then, why is that page so important? — xaosflux 20:59, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

I've just completed and debugged super javascript that looks at the cat pages for semi and full, checks if they are listed and makes a list of the ones that aren't, goes to the log (which limit=5000) checks for the last protection of those items, extracts the summary, user, and date and then goes back to WP:PP and adds it in. Sheesh...debugging that was annoying...Voice-of-All 05:24, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

To avoid a ForestFire let continue this at Wikipedia_talk:List_of_protected_pages#Why2

spamlink by anon in progress

anon 81.56.135.230 is spamlinking Misplaced Pages. He/she/it is adding http://www.seemalaysia.org to a lot of pages. Tried to revert his edit but too many and too fast. I suspect it's a bot. Hope somebody could ban the IP temporarily and revert all his edits. __earth 10:54, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

User has stopped; I've reverted and left a message on the talk page. RadioKirk talk to me 17:38, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Prem Rawat

I'm looking for a volunteer putting Talk:Prem Rawat on his watchlist, enforcing WP:NPA, guiding Misplaced Pages newbies not to use the talk page for endless discussions of the subject etc. I've tried but I'm not up to the task. No prior involvement with article would be a plus. --Pjacobi 11:41, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

I tried once, in mid-February, and I burned out like that. It's a terrible place. I'd say no prior involvement is more than a plus, it's a precondition, because once people have tried to do those things you describe, Pjacobi, they're unlikely to go near it ever again. I mean, I tried, and look at me now, sticking straws in my hair, muttering to myself, clutching at the air. Prem Rawat and its talkpage are home to some contributors (I speak euphemistically) who edit only there, who are at Misplaced Pages for no other purpose than pushing their POV at that article. It's a lot like the notorious Bogdanov Affair in that respect. Frankly, in several cases, I don't think it's that they're newbies (they aren't any more), it's that they're not here to learn. Rather than sending new waves of fresh-faced young admins into these purging fires, it might be time to send the article and its habitual editors straight where The Bogdanov Affair ended up: to messy and acrimonious arbitration. Bishonen | talk 12:42, 6 May 2006 (UTC).

Ah, the Bogdanov affair. Is it a bad thing that I can look back almost fondly on that? --maru (talk) contribs 02:44, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I found your comments, Bishonen, to be unnecessarily negative. Yes, we have sometimes contributors that come with the only intention to bypass policy and push their POV, engage in uncivil behavior and disrupt talk-page discipline. These come and go after a few weeks. But we also have committed contributors that are civil and do a great deal of research to improve the material in the article. At the end of the day, it is perseverance and patience that wins the game against POV pushing. The article has benefitted from your first intervention and from P. Jacobi's. Efforts have and continue to be made to make the article better, more succint and more compliant. Unnecessary negative comments and comparisons as the ones you made above, only help those that want to sabotage Misplaced Pages's processes. Your Barnstar to a self-declared POV pusher, commending him for "his efforts to balance the article" after just a cursory look at the article, did not help either, and shows a definitive bias that I am surprised to observe in you. ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 15:19, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I think I fully deserved Bishone's award for keeping the Prem Rawat article balanced against Jossi's POV pushing. Jossi repeatedly removed all specifics of criticism from the summary. Bishonen's observation of Jossi's behavior then was enough or could have been enough to see that Jossi is not exactly the ideal, neutral contributor to that article. Andries 22:14, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

This is an outrageous and untruthful statement, Andries. Judge me by my edits, by my behavior and by my contribututions to Misplaced Pages. I have welcomed each and every editor that came to edit this article, even those that attacked me personally and were banned. I have explained policy to each one of them. I have restored criticism deleted by proponents. I welcomed Bishonen's and Pjacobi's interventions, while you were at work in the detractors' forum colluding on how to push their POV with your help. You are the self-admitted POV pusher, not me. Just read your own words. My opiniopn remains that Bishonen's "award" was a mistake and did not help, on the contrary. ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 22:41, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

I do admit that you try to be fair even on that article, but it will be clear that I do not think you are fair and reasonable. Andries 22:49, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I openly admitted that I was a POV pusher, but I wonder how other editors would feel if e.g. the article African American, Dutch people, or Swedish people stated that they cannot be trusted and do not speak the truth. I am not aware of any other article in Misplaced Pages that makes such generalizations. Andries 22:58, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

POV pushing is POV pushing is POV pushing. Two wrongs do not make a right. So, before you accuse anyone of that, just look at your behavior at Satya Sai Baba. ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 04:06, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Bishonen, arbitration for violating what policies and guidelines? Yes, the talk page is used by minor contributors for many off-topic discussions, but I do not think that the violations by the main contributors relative to the amount of contributions by them on the article have been frequent and serious enough for arbitration. I almost wished they were, because then the endless disagreements, reverts and discussing could possibly lead into constructive directions. Now the proportion of non-constructive edits and discussion remains too high and this is not likely going to change. Andries 13:01, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

It can change, if we all help with it. Join me and other experienced editors in reigning some kind of basic talk-page discipline. We can do it, if we apply ourselves to it. ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 16:04, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

User talk:Fungible

This user was permanently blocked for recreating a copyvio article, talk:Alan Chartock. He has expressed interest in recreating the article without copyvio. Can someone read his talk page, review the deleted article, and reconsider the length of the block.

This article is being reported on by the major media blog of the New York capital.

User:Seahen

I have blocked Seahen (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) indefinitely for creating userboxes promoting pedophilia (girllover and boylover), general trolling by listing their speedy deletion for review, and talk page spamming in an attempt to rig the deletion review. --Tony Sidaway 16:11, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

• Object. I cannot support an indefinite block without warning on a user who has no previous blocks and continues to make good-faith edits, including today. I would support a 24 hour block to make sure he understands that Misplaced Pages is an encyclopaedia and attempts to use it for something else are not welcome, and longer blocks, possibly indefinite, if he continues to defy policy after it ends. --Sam Blanning 16:16, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

You're right. I overreacted. I've no objection to an unblock or modification. --Tony Sidaway 16:30, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

I've reduced the block to 24 hours for talk page spamming. --Sam Blanning 16:33, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

• It seems rash to indef block someone that has contributed for over a year over one situation in which they were given no warnings. Also, since when did NPA not apply to you Tony? I know people support calling a troll a troll (even though I am not sure if this was done in bad faith), but do you really need to throw in stupid too? Someone should also explain why he is now blocked (the talk page spamming in an attempt to vote stack) and he has requested an unblock. Kotepho 16:40, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

  He knows why he's blocked - Tony referred to talk page spamming, and as I specifically asked him not to continue after his block was lifted, it's pretty obvious that that was the reason I didn't lift the block entirely. And Doc glasgow has dealt with the unblock request (denied). --Sam Blanning 17:20, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

  I lifted this block later yesterday after Seahen clarified that he had discussed the matter with Jimbo and accepted that he shouldn't do things that might bring Misplaced Pages into disrepute. --Tony Sidaway 23:20, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Depleted uranium

This arbitration case has closed. James S. is banned from depleted uranium, placed on probation, and placed on general probation. Those opposing editors who have made personal attacks on James S. are reminded of the policies regarding courtesy and personal attacks. TDC is placed on revert parole. For further details, please see the arbitration case. On behalf of the arbitration committee, Johnleemk | Talk 17:05, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Apparent WP:NPA violation at Pilot of invisible F-117-a AFD

I request an administrator to check the discussion about Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Pilot of invisible F-117-a(song). Dzoni (talk · contribs) and apparently Kris12 (talk · contribs) are doing ratial comments against Mig11 (talk · contribs). Since I do not know Serbian, I cannot verify if what Mig11 stated is correct, but if so, maybe it is time for the AFD to close since it has lost WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA. Thanks. -- ReyBrujo 17:07, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Also, this AfD seems to be going into its 8th day. =P — TheKMan 08:35, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/RC-677780 not closed

Found this cleaning out my watchlist. The nom has been open since April 21, and all votes are delete, so I have no idea why it's not closed yet. Maybe it accidently got removed from the log or something? Anyway, some admin should take care of it. BryanG 17:12, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Done. --Sam Blanning 17:24, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Image related legal question

My question is about Image:Mru Dancing.jpg, uploaded by Aditya Kabir (talk · contribs). The image shows a group of teen-aged-looking tribal girls dancing during the festival. The image is used in proper context in the article Bandarban District, where these tribes live.

Now, the problem with the image is a bit of frontal nudity of one of the dancers. Normally, that wouldn't have been a problem (and I know that Misplaced Pages is not censored). However, it appears that the dancer is underaged, and my question in this case is whether the image is legal to use in the articles or view it, considering US or more specifically Florida laws regarding images of underage people. The image also has dubious source/copyright info, but that's another problem. Thanks. --Ragib 17:16, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it is legal. Full frontal nudity of children is on all the time on PBS TV shows in every state in the US. WAS 4.250 18:42, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Nudity != pornography. Pictures of nude children are fine so long as the picture was not intended to be sexually arousing. Lacisvious is the correct word, but I can't spell it right for the life of me, so use my attempt and find the correct one. -M 18:49, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Lascivious is the word; see also prurient, the term most often used in the United States in analyses such as this... Joe 18:53, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Prurient doesn't quite apply here, thats generally used to classify obscenity (appealing to a prurient interest). Lascivicus ('lewd, lustful') is used to classify pornography, and as such is the difference between those naked bath photos your mom as of you as a baby being embarassing rather then illegal :) -M 19:15, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, we do often use the Miller test in considering whether pornography is obscene; I'd suggest, for example, that an analysis of an Anne Geddes photograph would turn on the lack of appeal to a prurient interest. Your point with respect to the difference between nudity qua depiction of a natural human state and nudity qua tool of sexual arousal is well-made, but such distinctions are sometimes difficult for judges to make, and there is a tendency to classify all that involves human nudity as pornography. Notwithstanding the legal distinctions, though, Wiktionary gives them as either word as a synonym for the other, so I suppose it's all good. :) Joe 06:31, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification regarding the image. --Ragib 19:56, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

The nudity is absolutely fine in the cultural context, but it would be nice to confirm the licensing status. I've left a message for the uploader. Chick Bowen 15:46, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Ongoing problem at Anwar Sadat and Egypt re photos

Long ago, I added a photo of Louis Gossett, Jr., as Anwar Sadat. There appears to be a campaign to obliterate this photo from the article in favor of that of a very Arab-looking actor who portrayed Sadat (and looks nothing like him) in a later production. It repeatedly has been removed and the other pic inserted. My stance has been that there is room for both. The latest edit warrior is insisting -- IMO, absurdly -- that there are "too many pictures" and that the Arab's photo is "more important." From where I stand, just another example of afrophobia. I'd appreciate it if someone would stop by and take a look. Thanks. deeceevoice 07:07, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Same problem at Egypt. The photo of the Fellahin girl (in a section that expressly discusses the Fellahin) has been repeatedly removed. (The Fellahin are darker-skinned Egyptians.) Repeated problems with this image being removed also. Presently, the same edit warrior User:Egyegy who repeatedly has removed the pic of Louis Gossett, Jr. in Anwar Sadat has removed the photo of the Fellahin girl in favor of a "superior" photograph. IMO, repeated and blatant attempts to expunge the image of black Egyptians from the website. deeceevoice 08:12, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

One would predict that Egypt has ethnic issues that are distinct from ethnic issues in the US. Don't project your own views on others where they are not vaild. Dr Zak 12:35, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Talk Page has gone missing

Could someone please reinstate the talk page to Cuba. It's gone missing! Thanks--Zleitzen 11:36, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

I restored it. I am assuming it related to the Alkivar problem and Freakofnature just forgot to restore it after cleansing the page history. There wasn't an summary in the deletion log, so if I restored it in err, another admin should feel free to redelete it. --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 11:47, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Aucaman

This arbitration case is now closed.

• Article bans:
  • User:Aucaman and User:SouthernComfort are banned from editing articles related to Persians or Iran. Relatedness is to be interpreted broadly so as to prevent gaming.
  • User:Zmmz is banned from editing Persian people and Iranian peoples.
• Probation:
  • User:Aucaman and User:Zmmz are placed on Misplaced Pages:Probation for one year.
  • For edit warring, User:ManiF, User:Kashk, User:SouthernComfort, and User:Khoikhoi are placed on Misplaced Pages:Probation for one year.
• Banned from Misplaced Pages:
  • For edit warring, personal attacks, and other disruption, User:Xebat, under all of his usernames, is banned from editing Misplaced Pages for one year.

Further details are given in the decision at the link above.

For the Arbitration Committee. --Tony Sidaway 15:03, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Vandal at "Libertarianism"

A user by the name of "Irgendwer" is repeated deleting the word "political" from the descriptor "political philosophy" on the Libertarianism page. The issue has been much discussed on the talk page and consensus is that the descriptor "political philosophy" is appropriate. This user has some kind of ideological axe to grind. Help would be much appreciated. Salvor Hardin 16:17, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Please be aware that these pages aren't the place to bring disputes over content. Try taking it to the article's talk page, the user's talk page, or dispute resolution. If he does it more than three times, report him at WP:AN/3. Hermione1980 16:46, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:No personal attacks

Please see Misplaced Pages:No personal attacks for an attempt to create a new and very bad policy by the means of edit waring and voting. WAS 4.250 17:47, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Releasing Personal information on Misplaced Pages

69.133.158.38 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) just recently posted personal information (ie; address and phone number) of someone on Misplaced Pages . Could someone delete this edit so it isn't for public viewing. Thanks! DGX 21:55, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

• Just a thought, but this is a high traffic page, you might not want to hyperlink that, according to google, the phone number and address are both listed, so putting it out in the open might attract unwanted attention--{anon iso − 8859 − 1janitor} 21:59, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

I deleted the edit and blocked the IP. Chick Bowen 22:05, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

FYI: that user has three other edits with the same personal information. dcandeto 22:14, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Way ahead of you. :-) I already alerted Chick Bowen and hopefully they too will be deleted. DGX 22:22, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm handling them now. --Lord Deskana 22:29, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

I've removed those edits from the page history. Problem solved. --Lord Deskana 22:31, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I should have checked that. Thanks, everyone, and good work, DGX. Chick Bowen 22:35, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Admin familiar with Pro Wrestling?

Howdy,

I'm looking for an admin that either particpates in Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling, is familiar with pro wrestling, or at least follows the WWE to help out with a small task. Please contact me on my talk page if this is you! Thank you for your help, --Naha| 01:05, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

The only admin I am aware of that knows anything about Pro Wrestling is Lbmixpro. If you need help on anything pro wrestling related in relation to a trivial extent, I am available for that as I am pretty knowledgeable about it. :-D DGX 01:24, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I've already contacted him, but he is kind of on a wikibreak of sorts at the moment. The matter concerns a semi-protect so I really need to speak to an admin, thanks though! --Naha| 02:01, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Just to be clear, I'm still looking for someone :) --Naha| 15:09, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

User:Primetime

This page is linked from the English Wiktionary to this title (above) corresponding to the section below. Please make sure it is not renamed again. --Connel MacKenzie 01:44, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Wiktionary user

The Wiktionary:User:Primetime (apparently corresponding to User:Primetime here) was indefinitely blocked this year on the English Wiktionary for massive, systemic copyright violations. His primary sources were Webster's third new international dictionary, unabridged, by Merriam-Webster, Inc. and The Oxford Dictionary of English (2nd edition revised) (using either the on-line edition or a CD-ROM version - the specific version remains unclear for a portion of his entries.)

The main Wiktionary discussion can be found here: wikt:Wiktionary: Beer parlour archive/January-March_06#Primetime. In his own defense, he relied on bizarre personal attacks, personal threats and repetitious flagrant lies (perhaps in the hope that repeating a certain lie over and over again would make it somehow become truth.)

For over a month now, he has used many sockpuppets on the English Wiktionary, confirmed by checkuser(!) request on meta:. Only the most recent batch of sockpuppets is listed on the meta page. He has become our single most assiduous vandal, recently prompting an automated block of some 6,000+ IP addresses used by the Tor anonymity network.

His signature vandalism patterns alternate between massive rudimentary copyright violations, and bombarding Wiktionary with massive quantites of unattested vulgar terminology.

His copyright-vandalism today on the English Wiktionary (via a new sockpuppet that he created some time ago, in preparation) was first traced to the Misplaced Pages entry for J, where has been steadily, incrementally adding content. It is apparent to me, that he is using a 'bot to upload material here on Misplaced Pages just as he used to on Wiktionary, as several tell-tale signs are in each of his entries. It is my personal theory that he is using 'bot technology to split apart his edits, so that no single edit triggers a VandalBot "copyright" warning on the anti-vandalism channels.

I hereby request assistance from all Misplaced Pages sysops in chasing down this prolific individual's copyright violations (here on Misplaced Pages, as well as on Wiktionary - as many entries on Wiktionary still have not been cleaned adequately.) I am somewhat unfamiliar with Misplaced Pages policies regarding copyright violation. But I cannot imagine that such systemic, wholesale copying is condoned here.

--Connel MacKenzie 07:34, 8 May 2006 (UTC) (Wiktionary sysop; please leave messages on my talk page there.)

Here is a bit of advice to anyone who reads this: check carefully everything Connel MacKenzie says. He has been known to exaggerate greatly at times. This is a very complex, personal dispute between him and I. Unfortunately, I do not possess the knowledge to use "bots". (And, what does this have to do with Misplaced Pages?) I don't know what you mean by "vandalism," either. I've had some content disputes with you. I admit I moved some material I wrote here to Wiktionary, all of which you apparently deleted on sight. The autoblocker blocked my IP for a short time, so I was able to get a new user name (something suggested to me by Tawker in a public discussion). I created about 5 vulgar entries on Wiktionary which Connel MacKenzie deleted on sight (even though Wiktionary is not censored--supposedly--and they all had citations). So, that's hardly the "massive quantites" you're describing. Really, this is not relevant to Misplaced Pages at all. The reason I remain blocked is very complex but can be boiled down to three factors: (1) personal attacks, (2) evading my block, and (3) alleged copyright violation. Now, Connel MacKenzie is going through everything I ever created on Wiktionary (I made about 1172 edits) and reverting or deleting it on the unproven assumption that it's all copyvio material. Connel MacKenzie is a very bitter person. He's had more disputes on Wiktionary than any other user. Now he's the person who banned all of those accounts and he's the only one still complaining about me. The fact he is even bringing up such a matter here shows even greater malice on his part, in my opinion. If he were editing on Misplaced Pages, he would have been banned a while ago. However, there's no real formal dispute resolution process on Wiktionary, so he can just continue acting the way he does and no one can do anything about it.--Primetime 10:24, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you Primetime! I could not have asked for a better demonstration of your immediate tactics of 1) resorting to invalid personal attacks, and 2) bold, flagrant lies. --Connel MacKenzie 01:44, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I find this dispute worrisome because it may have affected Wikpedia administration. I recently nominated "List of ethnic slurs" for AfD, due chiefly for its apparent violation of WP:NOT . Primetime argued eloquently, effectively, and somewhat duplicitously (as I've said to him) against its transwikification to Wiktionary. Primetime had said that Wiktionary editors were intolerant, and would not accept the material. This report describes additional aspects to the matter. I don't know if the claim by Connel MacKenzie has merit or not, but Wiktionary is a sister project and we should work in a coordinated fashion. -Will Beback 11:01, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Please note that Primetime's indefinite block on Wiktionary was approved after a decision made by the community. It was not even issued by Connel MacKenzie . Now Connel is indeed a very active contributor and sysop on Wiktionary, probably among our best (if there's such a thing as "the best" on a wiki), who's not afraid of discussion, some arguments in which he is a party indeed evolving into what one might arguably call a "dispute". That is, however, of no relevance here, and has more to do with the argumentative nature of the English Wiktionary. Primetime, though, has never conformed to the rules that apply to Wiktionary, and he and his host of sockpuppets have been banned from Wiktionary by the community, for the reasons given above by Connel. The majority of his former contributions have either been deleted (by a variety of sysops, not just Connel), or rephrased in order to eliminate the copyright violations originally entered by Primetime. New admissions from his part, once they have been identified as being Primetime's, are being deleted on sight (by a variety of sysops, not just Connel or me) due to his long-standing tradition of proven copyright violations. Vildricianus 18:56, 8 May 2006 (UTC) (Wiktionary sysop).

First, there was a discussion where the editors participating came upon agreement that my most-recent creations, created on three nights in March and January would be deleted. (See wikt:Wiktionary: Beer parlour archive/January-March_06#Primetime). Further, my most-recent contributions were already trying to be deleted or had already been deleted when some discovered that they were from me. Others no one ever found out were from me were deleted as well. Further, those didn't look anything like the single-phrase definitions they were complaining about for copyvios. When Connel MacKenzie did a checkuser on some accounts, he immediately deleted the remainder. He never did a checkuser on the accounts he blocked last night, though. Here's an explanation of why they were already trying to delete them:

Some editors have interpreted Wiktionary's criteria for inclusion as meaning that a single reliable source is enough to prove a word's usage. Others, however, say that only three quotations will suffice, despite the fact that the page states that "Usage in a well-known work" qualifies as proof. These same editors claim that other dictionaries do not count. To many Misplaced Pages users accustomed to citing disputed assertions with a single source, having to give three sources is upsetting and unwelcoming. Many entries have been deleted because they had only one or two sources.

Knowing the anarchic atmosphere of Wiktionary and the propensity of certain administrators to use these unusually-high standards to delete offensive terms, I created six entries with three quotes per sense and with full source information for each quote. (See Wiktionary:WT:RFD#nigger_baby.) Then a user named Jonathan Webley nominated each of them for deletion saying "I can't find these terms anywhere else". Shortly afterward, Connel MacKenzie chimed in saying "This series of anonymous submissions seems intentionally disruptive, and pointlessly inflammatory. Delete all. These are certainly no more than the sum of their parts (each submission) with a clear intent to enter as many forms as can be dredged up, and to bypass the comparatively neutral, explanatory entry at nigger." Then, another administrator deleted them and protected the pages. His assertion that they were the sum of their parts is an example of an exaggeration by MacKenzie as "Blue-eyed grass (genus Sisyrinchium), especially California blue-eyed grass, S. bellum" was not the sum of the phrase "nigger baby". Another example is this: wiktionary:WT:RFV#shit_stabber. I had three quotes and a dictionary reference for that one. Here's another one: Wiktionary:WT:RFV#give me fin on the soul side. Editors there have a tendency to delete terms they don't like on sight (See this entry that had a reference to a slang dictionary, but was deleted anyway the first time. When I recreated it, he nominated it for verification, then deleted it again when he found out it was from me.) As for "give me fin on the soul side" I had two quotes and a dictionary citation. They deleted it anyway, but I had it saved on my hard drive, so I recreated it. Then, they said two quotes and a dictionary references weren't enough, so I added more, for 3 quotes and 5 citations. Connel still wanted to delete it anyway, which shows his deceptive and bitter nature.

As everyone can tell, Vildicranius is good friends with Connel MacKenzie--even though Vildicranius is pretty new. However, Connel MacKenzie has been known to harass other users. On the Beer Parlour (their equivalent of the Village Pump) he had at least three discussion threads raised against him by Ncik: Wiktionary:Wiktionary:Beer_parlour_archive/January-March_06#A_further_complaint.2C_unrelated_to_the_one_above.2C_against_Connel, Wiktionary:Wiktionary:Beer_parlour_archive/January-March_06#Complaint_against_Connel even though I had been there only since November. He went after Ncik, who he chased away apparently, Eclecticology, then me. I'm sure there were others, though.

In conlcusion, I'm a financial donor to Wikimedia, so if I believed that something would harm our wikis, I wouldn't do it. On Misplaced Pages, I fight vandalism (I have over 830 pages on my watchlist) and try to be civil. I've worked countless hours, and have 3759 edits on Misplaced Pages under this user name as well as 366 under others. I tend to use Show preview and focus on articles, so the tally doesn't tell much, either. However, on Wiktionary, it's harder to get along. Many Misplaced Pages policies, such as the Three Revert Rule and No Personal Attacks are not policies on Wiktionary. To some users from Misplaced Pages, this makes the site seem like it is anarchic, and makes many administrator decisions seem arbitrary, as well. Everyone knows each other, so you either become good friends or really bad enemies.--Primetime 20:06, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Interestingly, that last bit and this sound quite alike. And your palaver about being a financial donor is also recognizable. Same old tricks, Primetime. Vildricianus 22:42, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Absolutely. I've said it before, and I need to say it again. Everything I just said is all true. Everyone should read what I just wrote. As for my donation, go here: --I listed my user name in the comment column.--Primetime 22:58, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Let's cut through a lot of noise: Primetime, do you deny that on Wiktionary you copied defintions from existing dictionaries?

A quick look through your contributions here (at least ones highlighted on your user page) raise red flags, too. Take John Abbey, which you created with:

(Born Whilton, Northants., Dec. 22, 1785; Died Versailles, Feb. 19, 1859). English organ builder. The son of a local joiner, he first learnt his father's trade. Against family opinion he was apprenticed while still in his youth to the organ builder James Davis and later joined in partnership with Hugh Russell...

We have the idiosyncratic, non-Misplaced Pages style of beginning, the fully-formed sentences, and, most peculiarly for an American contributor, the British usage of "learnt" -- which you changed in subsequent edits over the next hour. My guess is Britannica, but I have a friend who owns a copy, so I"ve asked him to check. --Calton | Talk 20:41, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good. You can also search the introductions for each entry for free online. As you can see here: <http://www.britannica.com/search?query=John+Abbey&ct=>, there is no entry. As for formatting, I hate Misplaced Pages formatting because it is not in keeping with style recommendations of writers. For example, above, I did not give the link as this because I think it looks unintuitive and doesn't tell the reader where they're going.--Primetime 20:47, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I hate Misplaced Pages formatting because it is not in keeping with style recommendations of writers.' Really? What "style recommendations of writers" are you referring to? What possible applicability do these "style recommendations of writers" have for THIS project? And what about these "style recommendations of writers" gives you an exemption from the Misplaced Pages Manual of Style? --Calton | Talk 23:15, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

This is another debate, but I tend to follow styling guidelines of style manuals like Merriam-Webster's Manual for Writer's and Editors as well as Random-House's style guide. I also imitate for experimentation purposes several innovations, like enlarging the headword a point or two. I have had several disagreements and have explained myself in detail on why I don't always follow Misplaced Pages guidelines. Examples include pronunciation aids, as well as links.--Primetime 00:28, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Can you clarify where the article came from? Is it all your own original writing or is copied from another source? -Will Beback 23:10, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

To repeat, let's cut through a lot of noise: Primetime, do you deny that on Wiktionary you copied definitions from existing dictionaries? Can you affirm that the text I quoted above is all your own? What was the source of your information? --Calton | Talk 23:15, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

It is not copied from anywhere. I wrote most of my contributions. Many were written as school reports. Others are from the 1911 edition of the Encyclopaedia Britannica. Some are reports I wrote for my classes at school.--Primetime 00:28, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

This article, Reinhard Sorge , also appears to be copied from another source. If it isn't then it is a severe violation of WP:NOT as it includes extensive literary criticism. -Will Beback 23:30, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Now that's strange: that list of articles on on User:Primetime's page, which listed the articles he says he was principal contributer to? The one I browsed checking for copying? Primetime has suddenly removed them . Why would that be? --Calton | Talk 00:13, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm tired of you guys going through each of my contributions and picking them apart. I don't have time for that.--Primetime 00:29, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Man, I'm slow: that list I mentioned? One of the entries is for the Dictionary of Literary Biography -- and the article includes an external link to a site which provides short versions of some of the articles. Looking up Reinhard Sorge...Hmm, do these look familiar?

Reinhard Johannes Sorge (January 29, 1892-July 20, 1916) is considered one of the earliest expressionist dramatists in Germany. Although his death on the battlefield in World War I put an abrupt end to an all-too-brief six-year period of intensive literary productivity, Sorge, who was only twenty-four years old at the time of his death, achieved recognition as one of Germany's foremost religious playwrights and poets, one whose poetic mission was inspired by his fervent quest for God and by an ecstatic mystical faith. Sorge's protagonists are either projections of his own self into a dramatic character who combines the role of the writer as leader and healer with that of the prophet and seeker of God's truth, or personal interpretations of key figures in the history of Christianity such as King David, Saint Francis of Assisi, and Martin Luther. None of his plays was performed during his lifetime. (from Primetime's version

Reinhard Johannes Sorge is considered one of the earliest expressionist dramatists in Germany. Although his death on the battlefield in World War I put an abrupt end to an all-too-brief six-year period of intensive literary productivity, Sorge, who was only twenty-four years old at the time of his death, achieved recognition as one of Germany's foremost religious playwrights and poets, one whose poetic mission was inspired by his fervent quest for God and by an ecstatic mystical faith. Sorge's protagonists are either projections of his own self into a dramatic character who combines the role of the writer as leader and healer with that of the prophet and seeker of God's truth, or personal interpretations of key figures in the history of Christianity such as King David, Saint Francis of Assisi, and Martin Luther. None of his plays was performed during his lifetime. From the BookRags site

Busted. --Calton | Talk 00:24, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

OK. I admit that it's from the DLB. That doesn't mean that everything I've ever written is a copyvio, though. Most of the articles I've written aren't even about writers.--Primetime 00:28, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Another quick check: N. Scott Momaday (here versus here)...do I need to continue? Your long-winded rationale is pure misdirection, and while it's, I'm sure, literally true that not EVERYTHING you've ever written is stolen, it's enough to presume it's true unless you provide evidence to the contrary. --Calton | Talk 00:39, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

STOP! WHAT DO YOU MEAN? ARE YOU PROPOSING THE DELETION OF EVERYTHING I'VE EVER WRITTEN BECAUSE OF THOSE TWO ENTRIES??? WHAT PROOF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR ANYONE TO PROVE THAT THEY'RE NOT FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE! WHY ARE YOU GOING AFTER ME SO HARD?--Primetime 00:41, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Those first two entries are what I found sitting at my desk, from my computer, after only a few minutes work and without breaking a sweat. Imagine what I could do if I went down to the local university library and actually search in their hard-copy of Britannica, Grove's, DLB, Current Biography, etc. --Calton | Talk 00:50, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

A message on my talk page: ...Also, why are you doing this? You know that Misplaced Pages isn't liable for copyright violations that it isn't aware are occurring? There's absolutely no reason to be doing this! This is perhaps the most pathetic rationale for copyright abuse I've seen in a long time -- but more to the point, we are aware now. You've been busted: deal with it. --Calton | Talk 00:50, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

• Throw Fyodor Sologub (here versus here on the list. Man, this may take a co-ordinated effort to root out. --Calton | Talk 01:13, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Block of Primetime

I have blocked Primetime per the above developments, and the obvious rejection of any wrongdoing from him. Currently set to indef, but if there are objections, please someone take the initiative to unblock. This is only a precautionary measure from stopping him from creating any further articles for now. If there are no objections, then it'd be a community indef block. NSLE _(T+C) at 00:58 UTC (2006-05-09)

I would like to remind you that wikt:User:Primetime has now dozens of known sockpuppets on the English Wiktionary. He is very adept at finding open proxies. He is also very adept at finding the newest "tor" exit points. Again, I request assistance from all available Misplaced Pages sysops now, to 1) verify whatever portion of his edits you need to, are copyright violations and 2) keep a very sharp eye out for new sockpuppets.

Despite everything he has said in the past six months or so, I do not believe his stated motives. Call me a conspiracy theorist if you must, but I think he is being paid to insert copyright violations into Wikimedia projects. I cannot comprehend any other reason why he would have pursued his attacks on the English Wiktionary, for months after being blocked. For example, wikt:give is still being actively vandalized. It obviously is not some desire to propogate "truth." It is instead, a very disturbing case. --Connel MacKenzie 01:44, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Given his insistence of innocence until proven to have violated copyright I have to agree that this user has forfeited all right to assumptions of good faith. Insertion of fragments to 'build up' a copyvio in pieces shows foreknowledge that they are not allowed and a deliberate effort to evade detection. He needs to provide an explanation for why he was deliberately sneaking in copyrighted material and list every instance of doing so under all accounts before we should even consider unblocking him. I'm usually the one saying 'blocks are bad and cause more problems than they solve', but this guy needs to be blocked indefinitely and his contributions sanitized. If in doubt assume it is a copyvio and remove or rewrite it. --CBDunkerson 13:03, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Given the extent of his damage, has anyone in Misplaced Pages requested a blanket Checkuser on his IP address, for his Misplaced Pages activities? Looking at policy #6 from meta:CheckUser Policy#Wikimedia privacy policy it looks like such a check is permitted. But only for a couple days more. --Connel MacKenzie 23:25, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

The article J

By sheer coincidence, I looked at this article about a week ago. I grew suspicious at the very atypical tone of the piece, and so I checked the history. What I found was something atypical of copyvios, namely a long series of edits to a section made by a registered user with a userpage, so I shrugged it off. In light of this, however, I've Google-tested some pieces, but found no hits; could anyone perhaps check a copy of EB and/or other likely reference works to see if it's stolen from there? —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 02:39, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I left a list (compiled by going through a list from his own user page) of likely copyvios on his talk page, with a request that he account for them. Let's see if his repentence is serious. --Calton | Talk 07:16, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Compare histories of wikt:j and J. Also those of wikt:C, wikt:c and C. They have multiple Primetime or Primetime sockpuppet edits. There are probably more cross-project parallels. Vildricianus 10:40, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I've received e-mail from Primetime, and it's apparent that he doesn't have the slightest clue what he's done wrong. Until he does, I strongly urge not unblocking him. --Calton | Talk 10:34, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

That's perhaps a reason why he keeps doing it. However, I think he's cleverer than that. At Wiktionary, he has tricked various users into believing he was completely innocent, prior to his unmasking and the consequent indefinite block. Vildricianus 10:40, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I have M-W Third on hold at my local library again, and will pick it up tomorrow afternoon. --Connel MacKenzie 07:21, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Partha rathore

Please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:ImpuMozhi#A_threat

Do we require editors like Partha rathore? When he can use such nasty words and worst of Hindi slangs with 50 edits, how dirty he shall make our wikipedia. I recommend that such editors should be banned for life. Regards. --Bhadani 08:40, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I blocked him for 1 week, for issuing a physical threat. Feel free to override me. Thanks. --Ragib 08:45, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

You may also want to list him on WP:PAIN, our (oft-ignored) page for reporting personal attacks. Luigi30 (Ταλκ το mε) 16:17, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

User:Vorash

I am running a bit impatient with editor Vorash (talk · contribs). The editor started out as a well-respected user of the Misplaced Pages, (though he and I had some major problem/wars when I first came here). Late last year, he closed his account because "he was labelled as a vandal". His anger was increased when his "pride and joy" Best selling music artists was listed for deletion. After closing his account, he has made a few edits to Misplaced Pages (perhaps a few edits per weeks). Here's the problem: he made some edits to Mariah Carey singles discography a long time ago, which were modified by some anon editors, and especially by Extraordinary Machine (talk · contribs). For some reason, Vorash is determined to have the article his way, and he does this by reverting the entire article to months old version, completely wiping out all updates that have been made since that time: ,, , , . Even though other editors (myself included) have tried speaking with him, he is uncivil and unyielding. He also uses sockpuppets to carry out his dirty work: Rodrigogomespaixao (talk · contribs) and Klppaa (talk · contribs) (I've blocked the latter, but I'm a bit skeptical of the former, so I haven't blocked him).

I gave Vorash one final warning on May 7, 2006 . The day later, he reverted it to his month old version (). I am getting extremely impatient with him. I cant block him for 3RR because he does not do it three times a day: he slips in every other day or so and revert it. I once protected it, but one can only protect the article for so long. As Carey has a couple singles on the charts, the page needs to be updated weekly. I am tempted to block him indefinitely, but:

1. It might be too drastic. I really do not want to abuse my power.
2. Blocking might have no effect. He rearely uses his account anyway. He'll probably just use another ISP.
3. as he and I have been in squabbles in the past, I dont want to be the one to block him.

Can anyone help me come up with a solution? I do not necessarily endorse the current version of the article. What I'm concerned with, however, is his rude disruptive behaviour, and the fact that when he reverts the page, all the weekly edits are completely obliterated (wrong info is therefore deliberately introduced into the page). Oran e (t) (c) (e) 17:18, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Unblocking before reblocking?

It seems to be standard procedure to unblock a user before reblocking them with a different duration. I was just wondering if it's necessary, or if it's a hangover from a time when Mediawiki didn't properly handle this situation? I ran some block tests on a dormant account I created. First, I blocked the account for 1 hour, then - without unblocking - for 15 minutes. Special:Ipblocklist showed the latest, current block to be ending in 15 minutes. Of course that information doesn't guarantee that the old block has actually been overridden, it merely suggests that it does. Comments anyone? --kingboyk 17:21, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I think MediaWiki takes the shortest of the block periods and whenever it expires, unblocks the account, disregarding the longer blocks. Bug or feature? I don't know. --Ragib 17:24, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, feature. Whenever any active block on a user expires, all blocks on that user expire. So, you have to unblock first before you can apply a longer block, but you don't have to unblock to apply a shorter block. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 17:41, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. And you're positive that hasn't changed in recent revisions of MW? :) --kingboyk 17:46, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

You can check the CVS logs if you really want to, this behavior hasn't been changed :-P Cyde Weys 23:17, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

You know what? I'll take your word for it! :) --kingboyk 13:47, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Template:AIDSWikiCredit

Someone created a template Template:AIDSWikiCredit to explicitly assign credite for using a specific page. I think this is not in order, but I am not sure about that. What are the feelings about this? KimvdLinde 19:18, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

We require that kind of attribution from other sites using our content under the GFDL, so I think it's only fair we also give credit where it's due. It does of course raise the question of whether we want to be using material taken from another wiki in the first place. --kingboyk 13:47, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I'd consider it a bad idea:

1. If using an article from that Wiki as source, no specific GFDL note is necessary, just use standard referencing for specific statements
2. If our article is a derived work of the article on another GFDL licensed Wiki, that notice isn't sufficent to fulfill GFDL requirements.
3. Anyway, using http://www.reviewingaids.org/awiki/, the Wiki of the AIDS reappraisal movement, as source is hardly matching our criteria of WP:V and WP:RS.

Pjacobi 13:55, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I think that specific information can be added as references, and than I want to go to the actuall cources. So, I do not see the need for this kind of credit giving in the first place. It suggests as if the page is made by that source and imported in wikipedia, which is definatly incorrect. BTW, the tamplate is also inserted in various other page for which I think this is inpropriate. Kim van der Linde 14:11, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

If this is used in articles which used the AIDS wiki as a source, this template is a bad thing. If it is used in articles which are derivative works (or wholesale copies) from that wiki, then it's a good thing. After all, we credit public domain sites when it's not legally necessary; in this case, where the content is released un the GFDL, this should be mandatory. Johnleemk | Talk 17:20, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Yet another attack account being used on my talk page

I had another report (see above) a few days ago where I requested a check user on User:Generallego, who was indefinately blocked for being nothing but an attack account. As I expected, another of the sockpuppets, User:Zerozero, was resurrected to continue the same. If this could be blocked, I'd appreciate it - its an attack account. Additionally, I'm now going to request a checkuser. --Kiand 20:14, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Or not, considering it seems relatively complex to do a request and seems to require other avenues to be exhausted. Although the user in question denies everything, obviously... --Kiand 20:15, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

User:Earwig (CAUTION - Unpleasant picture) - good, bad, ugly?

I noticed a bit of vandalism at Mud logger and was trying to figure out what was going on when User:Earwig {{prod}}ed it with no explanation, except repeating the bit of vandalism. When trying to check out why Earwig was so interested in the word 'shit' I was acquainted with his focus quite rudely. I see he is roaming widely and intensely today and have to wonder about his judgement from viewing his user page. Could someone look into this and tell me if I shouldn't be worried what might come out of this? Shenme 22:45, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

You might have warned people about that link to his user page. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 00:25, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Also, why the weird page history, the link you provided is a redirect with 7 or 8 edits to a page with only 6 edits, most of which on boht pages are by IP's which seems a bit odd. Can an admin please check to to see if either page has any deleted revisions? Pegasus1138 ---- 00:30, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

"This user identifies as gay", "This user identifies as African American". GNAA anyone? Emulation of Goatse image on front page as well? This user is an obvious, unquestionable troll and I am banning him indefinitely. — Phil Welch (t) (c) 00:33, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Zeq banned from Nakba Day

Under his probation in the case Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Zeq, I've banned Zeq from editing Nakba Day, for tendentious editing, particularly removing well-sourced information from the article . --Tony Sidaway 23:16, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I received the following two comments on this:

Hi Tony - I'm not sure if banning Zeq was the best thing to do. While he may be hard to reason with, I'm not sure that his intentions were malicious. Maybe you could reconsider or at least give him/her a chance to iron the dispute out over another day or two. Thanks. Ramallite 03:47, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't accept your ban

Nakba day needs a mediator, Ian has delibertly caused an edit war in order to try and ban me from this article.

Look at my last edit and talk page. I tried to restore sanity to this article and avoid making it another vbattle article about the events in 1948.

I expect that you will remove the ban and help madiate the subject. Zeq 04:15, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Please note that according to policy: "Striking out at users on probation is strongly discouraged" this apply to Ian specifically as he tried to take advantage of the fact I am on probation and inserted unrelated information (which is already in the article palestinian exodus) into Nakba day so that i will remove it. Any attempts to reason with him failed.

This editor has been following me around in the last 2 weeks. Every edit (or almost any) I made, ant where in any article got a revert or change from him (most often a revert). This is a simple issue that can be prooved. I have also asked him several times to stop stalking me. I expect that you will not take a side in this harrasment and help resolve the content dispute in Nakba day reminding ian on harrasment policy as well on his own being cautioned against creating an edit war. Zeq 04:24, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't think the ban was unreasonable, but I welcome review and would accept removal of the ban by another administrator. I have no intention of getting involved in mediation, as Zeq requests. If mediation were likely to succeed, I very much doubt that the case Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Zeq would have been required in the first place. --Tony Sidaway 04:37, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I am not going to argue the ArbCom case here again but to note that it arrived to ArbCom without any mediation or RFC.

To the currect issue:

Clearly in the Nakba day case mediation has been proposed (and needed). Instead of accepting it ian Pichford (which has tried for two weeks to "trap" me by reverting and changing any edit I did on[REDACTED] (violating harrsament policy, despite numoures request to stop on his talk page) has choose to bring admin action aginst me. I suggest that anyone intersted in what goes on will ask Ramallite who does not agree with me on content of the article but understand that this is an honest content dispute with no malicious intentions on my part.

The absured thing of all is that prior to Tony appliing the ban I announced on the talk page that I will stay away from the article until it is mediated. Zeq 06:42, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't think intentions should matter where probation is concerned. So long as he was violating the terms, a ban is the appropriate action. --InShaneee 18:54, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Of course intention matter. I was trying to resolve the edit war on issues that do not belong in this article. I created focus (by taking many contested issues out) while the other side tried to turn the article in another battle field about the events in 1948 israeli-Palestinian war are debated. (these issues are already address and debated in other articles) Zeq 19:14, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

If you're involved in an edit war, you're edit warring. These issues need to be resolved on the talk page before they're taken to the article. --InShaneee 19:38, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I find Zeq's assertions somewhat puzzling. At the time I inserted the ban notice, at 2305 on 8 May, the last edit on the talk page had been by Zeq at 1942 UTC on 8 May, and the last edit on the article had been by Zeq at 1859 UTC on 8 May. For someone who said "I will stay away from the article until it is mediated", he seems to have been awfully active! Moreover, even while banned, he is attempting to persuade me to remove edits by another editor. He hasn't left this article alone even now. --Tony Sidaway 19:34, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Tony, Check your facts: I made an edit that was to stop the editwar on the events at 1948 and clearly suggested that if someone don't like it they can revert it and I will not make any more change This is not an edit war this is an attempt at resolution. Also suggested to one editor in the edit war (Rammalite) to correct any fact I may have left out.

My only "sin" is being bold in trying to resolve the issue. Zeq 20:25, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm still trying hard to get other people experienced in the subject matter to review the ban.

Meanwhile I am rescinding it because Zeq and others have raised several legitimate points that cast doubt on my original decision. I've removed the ban notice and hereby place this update on all other relevant notices. If he really needs to be banned from this article then some other administrator will be just as capable of imposing it. In the meantime I apologise to Zeq. --Tony Sidaway 18:12, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Please see the article talk page. Since I no longer participate in this article (only on talk) I doubt any ban is needed> A warnning to Ian Pichford to avoid edit wars, POV pushing and wikistalking could be helpfull. Zeq 18:52, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

WP:AIV

An administrator needs to see WP:AIV, there are a couple users which are vandalising this very second. No one is monitoring it!

This is clear. — xaosflux 02:57, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Betty Yves

I've just indef blocked Betty_Yves (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). In her short history here, she's been abrasive and insulting. When she got called out on it, she resorted to vandalism and petty attacks. She vandalized two articles by replacing them with "communism" which is either simple vandalism, or an admission that she's the Misplaced Pages Is Communism vandal. Then she told Tawkerbot it was a misunderstanding, she wasn't vandalized.

So, she's gone. If anyone disagrees, please speak up. --Golbez 02:01, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Would have done it myself if I hadn't been beated to it. Good on Golbez.--Sean Black 19:28, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

InShaneee

i'm not sure if this is the appropriate place to report this, but i hope it is. if not, i hope someone can direct me to the appropriate forum.

InShaneee has twice deleted the article on Lynch Mob (band).

the first time, yes, there were some inaccurate information in the article. so i rewrote the article. it was quickly deleted again. i see NO legitimate reason for the article to have been deleted the second time. i looked at this person's talk page, and he/she(?) has apparently been complained about (reported) to the other administrators before. Gringo300 02:20, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I have replied to you on the article's talk page. Naconkantari e|t||c|m 02:25, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

The speedy sure looks like a mistake to me. I've restored the article and commented on the talk page. Friday (talk) 19:26, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure what I did wrong. I STILL don't see any assertion of notability as per WP:MUSIC on that page, which is a speedy deletion criteria. --InShaneee 19:40, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

If I may, the page does list several albums produced by the band, which meets WP:MUSIC ("Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels"), and Google turns up a fair number of supporting pages like . I agree the page needs work and should have appropriate tags added, but it does seem a borderline speedy at best. Just my 2 cents, Gwernol 19:52, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

(ec) I wouldn't sweat having done anything "wrong"- it's been undeleted, no harm was done. As for notability, we already have an article on the founder of the band, Dokken guitarist George Lynch (musician). They have a (quite brief) AMG bio. The article could be better, certainly, but a band founded by a musician we already have a decent article on shouldn't be speedied IMO. Also, for those who care about WP:MUSIC, there's the bit about "Contains at least one member who was once a part of or later joined a band that is otherwise notable". Maybe this should be merged into George Lynch (musician)- I'm not opposed to that, but I don't think it should have been speedied. Friday (talk) 20:13, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Did You Know article posted in error: please assist

The contentious and disputed article Battle of Khaybar, which does not meet the criteria for listing in "Did You Know" (it has existed since 2005), has been posted to the front page in error (based on inaccurate comments from some of its editors). Please, could someone remove this listing urgently? The admin who put the list together last is currently offline and unresponsive to three separate contact attempts by various editors. Thanks! &#0151; JEREMY 04:28, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

It looks like you're right, it's an old article and shouldn't be on DYK, so I removed it. —Keenan Pepper 04:41, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks very much for your prompt attention. &#0151; JEREMY 05:29, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

For future reference, Misplaced Pages:Main Page/Errors is now the page to report any errors needing attention on the main page. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 21:11, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually, it is generally accepted that expanded stubs may be put on DYK. Previous attempts have been made to expand that article, but up until recently they were all reverted wholesale and the previous 'stable' version of the article was a stub. The last expansion, on the other hand, is under dispute but stable. --Sam Blanning 23:00, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Cool Cat banned from kurd-related edits--RESCINDED pending further discussion

As his mentor appointed by the arbitration committee, I have banned Cool_Cat (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) from editing, creating or nominating for deletion any articles, templates or categories related to the kurds .

This is for an initial seven day period, to be extended indefinitely subject to the agreement of the other two mentors. --Tony Sidaway 05:14, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I have rescinded this pending further discussion with the other two mentors . --Tony Sidaway 15:15, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Make Willy on Wheels redirect to its incident page?

M.C. Brown Shoes requested that the Willy on Wheels page in the main namespace be a protected redirect to Misplaced Pages:Long term abuse/Willy on Wheels. Is this okay?  Denelson83  09:54, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't say it's necessary. To be more precise, anyone who knows about Willy on Wheels is probably familiar enough with the Wiki software to not need a redirect there. --Lord Deskana 09:55, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Even though it's still in development, WP:DENY would fall into place here... --lightdarkness 11:09, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Which I read as supporting moving the pages out of the userspace. — Ilyanep (Talk) 11:13, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I'd rather see it redirect, protected if necessary, to Wheely Willy. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 12:39, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Apart from WP:DENY, we have separate namespaces to have encyclopedia articles separated from[REDACTED] pages. - Liberatore(T) 12:54, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I support the protected redirect to the paraplegic poodle per Ilmari Karonen. One more thing I've learnt today. :-) Kimchi.sg 13:02, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure its such a good idea, it could easilly lead to the poodle page getting heavilly vandalised and i'm not positive it would be a legit redirect anyway. Plugwash 13:39, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Mind you, that article already seems to be a vandalism target. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 21:17, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

If anything, the page should be a proper article about this product. http://ww3.adultsextoyscatalog.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=5439 Or perhaps not… Femto 14:24, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

No cross-namespace redirects, please. Also would give this poor guy way to much prominence. Misplaced Pages vandals are not noteworthy. This one is a very minor one easily checked by simple technical means such as the move throttle. If we could protect non-existing pages to avoid their creation altogether, the page wouldn't even exist. Lupo 14:31, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually, there is a template (I forgot what it was), that you put on a page that says you've created the page and protected it to stop it from being used to recreate deleted content. Werdna648/_C\ 14:52, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I know. That's what was done with that page. But if you could protect non-existing pages from re-creation, we wouldn't need to do that and the page wouldn't be there at all. Lupo 15:17, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Not a very good idea. Why are we glorifying a vandal? Also, we shouldn't do cross-namespace redirects. Keeping it as a deleted and protected page is good enough. He is infamous enough within the Wiki community, no need more mention in the article mainspace. Keep mainspace articles away from project-spaced articles. If its make a redirect, protect the page to prevent any page moves or vandalism. --Terence Ong 05:14, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

help fight denial of service vandals!

and bookmark this template/category: Template:AOLdos--205.188.116.200 15:37, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

the little creep

The person who has been vandalising under peoples names has the screen names horse fucker and your papa. Unfortunatly, he has the same IP adress as the rest of us Misplaced Pages users at my place of bussiness so if you blocked him, you would be blocking us. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blopij (talk • contribs)

I undid the auto-blocks, so you should be able to edit now. Prodego 19:18, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Help with autoblocks

I'm having some trouble understanding the autoblocker. How exactly does one find the correct autoblock number to unblock? For example, let's say I block person A for a week. Person B gets assigned the IP, is autoblocked, and comes to me asking for an unblock. Do I just go the Special:Ipblocklist and type in his username? Will that pull up the autoblock? I've had this come up twice, and I can never find the number... I don't know if I'm just an eejit or if the block's simply expired. Any help is gratefully listened to. (Oh, and I've read Misplaced Pages:Autoblock several times and I'm still confused. Sorry!) Snoutwood (talk) 20:24, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

There was a similar case about a week ago where I and several other admins tried to remove autoblocks on the IP of a user repeatedly without success until the original block expired. Not sure what that was about, but this tool may help to identify autoblocks in need of removal. --CBDunkerson 12:29, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

oooh, another tool! *bookmarks* --Syrthiss 12:33, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Looks good. I'll use that from now on. Snoutwood (talk) 17:15, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

The best rule is to ask the user for thier IP. For those who have never seen it, Mediawiki:Blockedtext is the message shown to blocked users; right at the very top is a line that says "Your IP address is ...". If they tell you the IP address, you can unblock it directly (just go to the unblock page and put in the IP) and it will unblock any autoblocks (yes, they are masked with a #12345-style code on the block list, but trust me, unblocking an IP unblocks any autoblocks on that IP). Trying to hunt down the right autoblock by the mask number is difficult and time consuming, not to mention frequently futile, and is best avoided; just ask the user for thier IP (they can email it to you if they're concerned about privacy) and then unblock it directly. Essjay (Talk • Connect) 13:16, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Unblock the IP? But won't that unblock the person you were trying to block in the first place? Is there a way to undo the autoblock without unblocking an IP that you wish to remain blocked? Snoutwood (talk) 17:15, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

There seems to be a misunderstanding of the nature of autoblocks; autoblocks are placed against IP addresses, not accounts. Though people tend to speak of thier accounts being innocently "autoblocked", that is not actually the case: Your account doesn't get autoblocked when you try to use a blocked IP; it just appears that way, because no edits are allowed from blocked IPs, including those from logged-in accounts. No block is ever placed against the innocent account itslef; it is the underlying IP that is blocked.

What the autoblocker does is block IPs (only IPs) previously used by blocked user accounts if they are used again after the account name is blocked. The timeline is like this: User:Foo, who is on IP 12.34.56.79, vandalizes and an admin blocks that account name. Then, someone else, User:Example (maybe a sockpuppet of User:Foo, maybe someone innocent, the autoblocker doesn't know) tries to use that IP to do something else. Since the software knows Foo was using 12.34.56.78, it assumes that the new person on that IP is Foo trying to evade his block, and places an autoblock on 12.34.56.78, stopping all edits, signed in accounts included. (This is when User:Example requests an unblock, thinking they have been blocked; not the case at all: Their IP is blocked, not thier account. If they switched to a different IP, they would be able to edit immediately.)

The autoblock of 12.34.56.78 is recorded on Special:Ipblocklist as #12345 (no relation between the IP numbers and the mask numbers; 12345 is just convenient), to prevent disclosure of the user's IP address. (If it didn't, you would see "...blocked 12.34.56.78...reason: Autoblocked because your IP was recently used by User:Foo"; this would reveal User:Foo's IP to the entire world, which is not something we routinely do. Why do we care, when it's a vandal? Well, because not everyone who is blocked is a vandal.)

So, the only way to clear an autoblock is to unblock the IP; when you unblock #12345, you're unblocking the IP represented by #12345 (in the example above, 12.34.56.78). The software doesn't care if you tell it to unblock #12345 or 12.34.56.78; the action performed will be to unblock 12.34.56.78 in either case. Note that nowhere in this process does the account User:Foo (the vandal) get unblocked; however, when 12.34.56.79 is unblocked, User:Example (who was never really blocked, just using a blocked IP) is immediately able to edit again.

Hopefully this helps with understanding it; if I've not managed to make the whole deal clear, let me know and I'll try again. Essjay (Talk • Connect) 05:35, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

That was extremely helpful, I now understand completely. Thank you, Essjay. Snoutwood (talk) 06:24, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Heavy metal in Islamic countries

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Heavy metal in Islamic countries - this has been up fairly long for AfD (since 21 April 2006), probably needs to be closed. Spearhead 20:43, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Good spot. The reason this has not yet been closed is that it was never listed at WP:AFD (stage 3 of the nomination was not done). I've listed it now and noted this on the afd page. It is most likely that it will be treated as if it were nominated today and closed in about 5 days. Thryduulf 23:38, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Keep an eye on this thread

Titled "Help Getting My Company Into Misplaced Pages", this clearly shows an attempt at pushing a non-notable article into Misplaced Pages. Please keep an eye on the thread, and act accordingly. - Ta bu shi da yu 22:35, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Interesting. I've always thought that if having a[REDACTED] article would make a notable difference to a company, then that company isn't notable enough to have an article on wikipedia. (My own version of WP:CORP in a nutshell :) MartinRe 23:03, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Well put. Snoutwood (talk) 23:06, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

This article was already deleted (Dollar Rent a Car Los Cabos). Ral315 (talk) 07:56, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Also note Ion Global Ltd, an article created by another one of the SEO members there. Ral315 (talk) 08:01, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

tag team vandalism

68.97.135.50 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) and AndyBBQ (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) were working together to vandalize pages, so simply rolling back wouldn't delete all the vandalism. This tactic has been brought to our attention before, but this in additional FYI. --Fang Aili 01:58, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Samuel Blanning

Can someone please call this off now? Since an RFC has to have 2 people to agree that an admin was abusing rights to have an RFC in the first place (In this case BabaRera and Dzoni) and one of them (Dzoni) was just blocked for being the communism vandal, I think this RFC is moot, IMO. DGX 02:02, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

He's left an unblock request, which I was inclined to deny but there's too much superficial conflict of interest there, so please can another admin do it? --Sam Blanning 22:55, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I've denied it and removed the {{unblock}} template. Bishonen | talk 23:17, 10 May 2006 (UTC).

Oops!

Hi, I was in the middle of disagreeing with a PROD, when the article got deleted from under me! It was List of casualties of the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan, and I was planning to move it to AfD. Is it possible to belatedly do that? The article seemed substantial. (Don't know its history, just found it at the last minute while scanning PROD.) JackyR 02:57, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

You can go to Deletion review. The prod seems to be done in line with the policy of waiting for 5 days. In this case the prod was from 5 May. Thanks. --Ragib 04:50, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I've added this for you, since no admin appears to have undeleted it yet. Not sure if this is because people haven't seen it or because the content is no good. Christopher Parham (talk) 06:36, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I undeleted it so you can either send it to AFD or improve it in line with the concerns raised. Tim! 06:48, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Yup, I'm sure it was just bad timing on my part. Many thanks, will send it to AfD. JackyR 11:48, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

User:60.227.174.236 blocked

Could an admin take a look at User_talk:60.227.174.236 for me? This user apparently has been caught in the indef block on User:Jazzper. Is there anything that can be done to allow this IP to edit while keeping Jazzper blocked? If the user registered an account, I assume they would still be blocked? Thanks, Gwernol 03:03, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I have removed the autoblock. Naconkantari e|t||c|m 03:11, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Matthew Mazankowski page

how come i cannot make a Matthew Mazankowski Page? please help me out. thankyou — Preceding unsigned comment added by Matthewmazankowski (talk • contribs)

WP:N with 0 Google hits. RadioKirk talk to me 03:41, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

You can as a user pager! --Brookie :) - a will o' the wisp ! 04:46, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

How would i do that?, im trying to make my biography :S:S but it keeps getting deleted... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Matthewmazankowski (talk • contribs)

I have done it for you on your user page already! Brookie :) - a will o' the wisp ! 05:02, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

It keeps getting deleted because, under WP:N as linked above, the biography does not assert the notability of the subject. One needs either wait until one is notable—and, naturally, best of fortunes—or tell us who you (?) are on your user page, as the user above has done. RadioKirk talk to me 05:04, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

And please sign your edits with ~~~~ --Brookie :) - a will o' the wisp ! 09:54, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Block recommendation:

Talk Page of IP editor with copious warnings. Block as appropriate, no current block in force, last block was 20 April 2006. Last edit was data entropy. -- ∞Dbroadwell 07:15, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

This should go to WP:AIV--Doc 08:17, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

How to deal with edit summary vandalism?

It is easy to revert page vandalism, but is there a way to remove vulgar edit summaries? This case diff is an example. On low traffic pages they remain visible for a long time. --Blainster 09:17, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Done. Check the history now. Thanks. --Ragib 09:20, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Hmm... normally we don't remove edits unless they contain personal information (in the edit or its summary). Kimchi.sg 09:22, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Like this? Vildricianus 13:15, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Hell, yes! The Alkivar phone number vandal strikes again! (This is the first time I've seen it.) :-( Kimchi.sg 15:54, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I can't delete the page to delete the revisions, I keep getting a "Wikimedia down" error. Can someone else try it? --Lord Deskana 17:20, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I think I tried with that particular page a day or two ago, and kept getting an error message — probably because there are so many versions of it. I think we need a developer for this. AnnH ♫ 17:25, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Yep. See Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Personal telephone number of an Admin. Snoutwood (talk) 17:27, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Uh, crap

I just clicked on the current AFD log instead of the May 4 one and closed a load of AFDs, thinking they had spoiled. What do I do? :( Luigi30 (Ταλκ το mε) 13:55, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm reverting you and restoring, don't worry about it. You might want to recheck to see if I restored anything that you rightly closed as speedy delete, although I am looking out for them. --JoanneB 14:18, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

User:Asoczewko

Can someone please hurry up and block Asoczewko (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)? He's been listed for over an hour now, very actively vandalising pages including my user page. - Emt147 18:31, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Blocked already. Flcelloguy (A note?) 21:07, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Speedy undelete request (page history merge)

The page Canadair CL-215 was deleted so that Canadair CL215's page history could be merged into it. Now I've made the appropriate move, and the deleted revisions of Canadair CL-215 should be undeleted. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 18:33, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Done. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 21:06, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Note to admins who close AfDs

It might become good practice to skim an AfD's history page before closing it, as there has been a recent trend of anon (IP address) users attempting to add votes to these pages. They often (somewhat successfully) try to pass themselves off as logged-in users, using a name followed by a timestamp. Occasionally this might be an actual registered user forgetting to log-in, but in practice they should come back after they've logged in and confirm that it was actually them. Recent examples of this include Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/Wuice and Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Bernard Tomic. Just thought I'd give everyone a heads up. EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 19:11, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. A good idea would be for the nominator of each AfD to have it watchlisted; that way, s/he can spot discrepancies and any attempts to game the system easily and quickly. Flcelloguy (A note?) 21:03, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

There are people who don't watchlist the AfDs they create? It saves some embarassment if you can withdraw your nom after additional information is revealed during an AfD. In fact, also the other contributors should watchlist the AfD, after all, it is a discussion, not a vote. Kusma (討論) 21:09, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

And no matter how AfDs you participate in, it's not like they all clog up your watchlist. --Sam Blanning 22:52, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

• Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/Wuice looks pretty obvious. I may presume good faith that the vote in Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Bernard Tomic is actually someone who forgot to login, cos' the account itself is pretty new. - Mailer Diablo 10:22, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Personal information released

Jumphoop (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has released Alkivars telephone number in his contributions. I think someone needs to go through his contributions and delete any mentions of it. And because of the looks of his contribtions, his account might need to be indef blocked. (Never mind about blocking him, as I read Curps blocked him). But the edit should be deleted. DGX 21:18, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Done already. Flcelloguy (A note?) 21:21, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

User talk:Colignatus

This indefinitely-blocked user has added a load of article material to his own talkpage. It may be POV-pushing and inappropriate, I'd appreciate if someone would take a look. Stifle (talk) 23:21, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Done. —Ruud 01:57, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Alkivar phone number vandals

Isn't it possible to add Alkivar's phone number to the spam blacklist or something? --Sam Blanning 08:08, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I can think of three reasons why this might not be possible, but am hesistant to spill the WP:BEANS. Regards, MartinRe 10:40, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Would you mind emailing me then? --Sam Blanning 11:21, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Please note that I too have had to deal with this kind of vandalism in the last couple of days, on an article appearing on the front page. Deleted and restored twice before semi-protection. --kingboyk 10:43, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

If if we add Alkivar's telephone number to the spam blacklist, wouldn't we be releasing it into the public domain on Meta-Wiki where people could easily access it from there? DGX 03:21, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Then just add the area code and the first two or three digits. Leave off the rest and no one will know what the number is. Naconkantari e|t||c|m 03:33, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

The inherent problem with that is that, say, if his phone number was (123) 456-7890, then it could be done as "(123) 45", "123-45", "12345", "12,345", etc., and obviously a number like 12345 could be found somewhere (Rambot articles, for example). There are just too many ways to do it. Ral315 (talk) 07:54, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Half seriously, here, do we know that it is indeed Alikvar's phone number? And if so, has anyone gently suggested that it might be time to get it changed to an unlisted number; if it really is his number, he's got to be having enough prank calls to be driven insane. Essjay (Talk • Connect) 07:27, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

We've still got to stop the guy somehow if we can. What happens to the person who gets that number after Alkivar relinquishes it? And it could set future precedents if we let people post phone numbers, real or not, with impunity. Kimchi.sg 08:10, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Sinate

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Sinate is up for quite a while but wasn't closed Spearhead 11:12, 11 May 2006 (UTC) Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Dark Suns ditto Spearhead 11:14, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

You never performed step 3 of the AfD process (see WP:AFD) by adding it to the daily log, so no-one knew about the nomination except those who saw the notice on the article. I've listed it on today's log. --Sam Blanning 11:18, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

User:What you think?

Something seems to be wrong with this guy's contributions; there are a lot of miscellaneous characters, seemingly inserted between every two good characters. I have seen a mention somewhere of this kind of thing happening when someone uses an open proxy, so I was hoping an admin could look into it. Thanks! Mangojuice 15:45, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, that and if you read between his weird characters the warning he put on the anon's page is a falsified warning from Tawkerbot2. I'm going to try to keep an eye on him. --Syrthiss 20:21, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I know adding random // slashes can be an indication of a bot, but I've never seen this before. Peculiar. --Lord Deskana 21:11, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't see what you're talking about...care to explain? He has three edits- one is a revert, another is creating his own user page, and the last is a warning (though copy-and-pasted from Tawkerbot's warnings.) I see no peculiar characters. Ral315 (talk) 03:38, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I think the editor is using odd characters that you may or may not have in your browser settings or preferences or wherever such things are kept (I'm not an expert on the subject). For example, when I view that Tawkerbot edit in my version of IE, I see almost all odd/nonexistant characters (mostly squares). However, when I view it in my version of Firefox, I see the words perfectly fine. EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 03:46, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't see any odd characters, in the SeaMonkey browser or when I send the edit diff URL to Web Sniffer to see the raw HTTP response. Maybe IE is somehow getting the character encoding wrong? *Dan T.* 04:13, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I see skull-and-crossbones characters between every letter of his contributions. I'm using Opera for Linux. --Carnildo 04:37, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Further investigation: It's Unicode code point U+0090, a non-printing control character. Most fonts these days don't have a glyph for it, but some non-Unicode fonts (such as Tengwar Quenya on my machine) do. --Carnildo 04:46, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Just looks like "......" to me

REdirect damage repair requested

There is a note at Talk:Digital Rights Management explaining the problem. Briefly, someone decided to redirect a large and active page, and in so doing managed to lose the entire discussion page and history which were both extensive and covered important and continuing aspects othe article content. The original article (that was redirected), and whose discussion page and history should be transferred to the new name as well, is Digital rights management. Thanks, in advance, for assitance with the underlying machinery. ww 16:51, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

The talk page was still there, it just wasn't moved along with the main article because the target talk page did not have an empty edit history. The problem is corrected now. --bainer (talk) 01:01, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Masatepe and User:68.16.249.3

An anonymous user has been regularly adding spam to this stub page, consisting of an advertisement for (I presume) his or her website at . It gets reverted regularly enough and I left a short message at the user's talk page. It's a fixed IP number assigned to BellSouth and Masatepe is the only article this person edits. I've now reverted the page twice today. This has been going on irregularly since February. Please block this user or find some way to explain why they shouldn't do this. --Diderot 16:56, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Help needed

I need help from an admin (or someone with a decent browser ;-)).

User:Kingstonjr and User:Hashbrowns both have user pages contaning an excessive amount of images that are either under fair use or unsourced. Since my browser is extremely slow when loading Images (my computer ends up freezing), could someone look through all the images placed on their user pages and remove fair use/no source images?

On Kingstonjr's page, I removed many fair use/no sourced images already, but he keeps readding him. (I sent him a warning about it). Could somebody do this for me? DGX 20:15, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I have added a warning and pointed to Misplaced Pages:User page. ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 00:38, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Someone smarter than I needs to look through the uploads for those two. Despite the fair use images, I see some uploaded that claim that since they're from Usenet, they're in the public domain. I highly doubt that this is a valid claim. Ral315 (talk) 03:40, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

IP-range block requested

Could somebody with the required technical expertise take a look at this posting on AN/I? A block on a range of IPs has been requested to stop repeated disruptive vandalism from sockpuppets of the permanently banned user User:Irate. Aquilina 21:12, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

That is too wide a range of IPs to block. ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 00:31, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

No, it isn't. In fact I have blocked it already. (The block should expire in 11 minutes though) Prodego 00:34, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I'd suggest asking for a checkuser first; a quick check of just the /24 revealed at least one legitimate contributor that could have quite easly been blocked as well. Essjay (Talk • Connect) 07:24, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

That is a great idea, I should have thought of that. Anyway here are the known ranges if you want to look:

87.75.130.0/23
84.9.210.0/23
84.9.192.0/22

Prodego 01:40, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Bad open proxy or somesuch

I have vauge recollections of "watch out for backslashes, for they art the tool of the devil." So, err, is this what that was about? - brenneman 01:53, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, that's the hallmark of a bad OP. Backslashes before quote marks. (Although that edit is innocuous.) Kimchi.sg 02:26, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Can someone scan it? I lost the link to Tawker's OP scanner when my computer went boom. --Rory096 09:18, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

These backslashing proxies are always CGI proxies, written in PHP, with magic_quotes enabled, and unable to deal correctly with magic_quotes. You do not need a scanner (and in fact a scanner would return a false negative, since these kinds of proxies are just normal web servers); just use a normal web browser. In this particular case, it opens a cPanel page, which means it's a shared web host; that is enough for a indefinite block as an open proxy (someone else already blocked). --cesarb 20:35, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Backlog on WP:PAIN

• The page says it is to "get administrator attention quickly," yet there have been issues there for 3 days now that no admins have addressed yet. On Misplaced Pages, I would think quickly means at most a few hours, not days. Paul Cyr 05:18, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Perhaps it is because your argument has no merit. -- Gnetwerker 05:26, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
    • I guess you didn't notice the other user reports on there. So none of those arguements have merit and admins won't remove issues with no merit? Seems to me you are just trying to create problems. But what I find funny is that you had said before "I am tired of dealing with this user" and yet you seem to be following my edits. Get lost Gnetwerker, stop following me around making snide comments. Or are you up for another ArbCom ruling cautioning you against being rude? Paul Cyr 06:11, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
  • I agree with Malber, who did in fact address your complaint, that Gnetwerker did not make personal attacks requiring immediate admin intervention. By claiming that admins oignored your complaint when Malber took the time to look into it, you do him a disservice. --Sam Blanning 08:21, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
    • And you do me a disservice by claiming I said stuff I did not. I never said admins were ignoring my compaint. As for Malber, I can't find his name on the administrator list. He hasn't identified himself on his user page that he is an administrator either. Can you show me that he even is an administrator? Paul Cyr 12:48, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

1. I consider it fairly self-evident that your complaint here relates to the fact that your other complaint on WP:PAIN was not dealt with the way you wanted.
2. No, Malber is not an administrator, but non-admins may deal with any 'administrative' task except those requiring administrative tools. Admins are not anything particularly special, they just have some extra buttons.
3. If an admin declines to block someone on WP:PAIN, they won't necessarily announce it, especially if someone (even a non-admin) has adequately addressed the case. If no-one posts to disagree with the first person to reply, then that almost certainly indicates agreement.
4. If you really want the voice of an administrator, here it is. Malber's analysis is correct.
5. Your own comments are far from civil: for instance, saying that Malber has "been accused of making personal attacks yourself", then giving a diff which showed a user quoting an NPA warning by Malber, presenting it as if the quoter was issuing an NPA warning. That misrepresentation of the facts is then followed up by a healthy dose of well-poisoning with "I recommend admins taking this user's comments with a grain of salt". For your own good, I would recommend that you drop this. --Sam Blanning 22:37, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

1. Or maybe the fact that I did not get an administrator response on an administrator notice board. Would I be making my comments if I hadn't posted on PAIN? Obviously not. However not only were my notices not addressed by an administrator, no one else’s have been for four days now. That only compounds my point. Especially since I have brought this to your attention and other people's complaints are still waiting to be addressed. To the point of Sophia resorting to shouting! Is user has restored the material AGAIN! Help! not notice enough? My notice was never addressed by an administrator and I was simply saying "hey! look at all of us waiting for administrators!" Your blatant accusation that I am just doing this because I am not happy with the handling (or lack thereof) is just bad faith and incorrect. In short, the first line of the page says This page is intended to get administrator attention quickly when dealing with personal attacks. If no administrators comment on issues lasting days you actually think the page is being properly monitored?
2. Pot meet kettle. Below you say that I was misrepresenting the facts (which I will address) yet you say By claiming that admins ignored your complaint when Malber took the time to look into it, you do him a disservice. Hmm... post on admin notice board, user comments, poster saying admins ignored him does said user disservice. Explain to me how that doesn't imply said user is an admin. At the very least show me how it could be reasonably interpreted that Malber wasn't an admin. non-admins may deal with any 'administrative' task except those requiring administrative tools. Really? Show me the Misplaced Pages policy that says non-admins may make rulings on admin notice boards, not comments, rulings. Show me the policy.
3. Do you actually expect me to believe that? That's just faulty logic plain and simple. If an admin removed the notices that would be an indication. But four days of users saying "is anyone reading this? help!" is hardly admins agreeing with comments. At the very least they would remove the notices or say something.
4. Now, now, did you really think that would be satisfactory after I asked Malber to justify his remarks? You haven't even shown any indication that you've even read the notice. So basically you are agree with a user that doesn't provide justification. In any case, the reason why I've been asking for justification is simple. Just for kicks (not really), in your own words, define ad hominem, because I have a strong suspicion you have no idea what it is.
5. And I will apologize for that, I read it over too quickly and though Malber was being warned, not quoted. But please, don't try to intimidate me with that "for your own good" crap.

I expect all the other user' issues on WP:PAIN to be addressed before or immediately after your reply to me, otherwise I would love to see how many words you have to write to even begin to show no hypocrisy. Paul Cyr 06:52, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Let's see - taking the recent ones, H8 wasn't addressed because it was a throwaway account that had already been discarded, but just to please you I blocked it anyway. Gnetwerker had already been dealt with by Malber, EnthusiastFRANCE archived the personal attack warnings rather than removing them (he does not wish to have a talk page) and is trying to move on, so no administrative action would be productive, and RyanFreisling asked a difficult question in a perfectly civil way. Now that's over with, you don't bring up anything new. Non-admins may always offer comments (no-one makes 'rulings' around here, except the Arbcom), this is a generally accepted principle everywhere, and, if that doesn't satisfy you, has been formally accepted at WP:AIV . And it's very simple - if no admin posts, that means "no action necessary". If a non-admin posts, and no-one posts to disagree, that means "we agree". This is a wiki - "I agree +1 editcount" isn't as commonly seen around here as on Internet forums. --Sam Blanning 10:05, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

• This is ridiculous. How do you expect me to reach a consensus with you if you are going to pick and choose which points of mine you are going to address? You addressed most of my first point but not my points raised by Sophia's complaint. I can't see how you even attempted to address my third point, and you completely ignored my fourth point which is the cause for this debate. In addition to your comment of "If a non-admin posts, and no-one posts to disagree, that means "we agree"." Completely supports my point. I was the last responder to Malber. So since no one disagreed with my insisting he provide some justification for his views, according to your statement the admins agree that he didn't provide a good justification.
• Non-admins may always offer comments (no-one makes 'rulings' around here, except the Arbcom), this is a generally accepted principle everywhere, and, if that doesn't satisfy you, has been formally accepted at WP:AIV .. If it's been "formerly accepted", why is there no policy on it? At the very least there would be a guideline no?
• In any case, back to the point at hand, no one has even offered a measly sentence to try to explain how Gnetwerker's comments were not personal attacks. The fact that you have refused to offer an explanation that you even know what an ad hominem is even when you could have copy-pasted from Wikitionary makes me doubt your sincerity in trying to offer a balanced view. I handed that one to you and you still didn't bother to address it.
• I don't find it objectionable if someone disagrees with my views. However on every level of non-fallacious arguing and just plain honesty, picking and choosing points to address is indecent. Paul Cyr 05:16, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
• EDIT: oh, just so you know, Sophia has been waiting a week now for a response. Either she is being ignored or no one is bothering to maintain the page by removing out-dated comments (I was the one who removed a bunch yesturday.) "self-evident that your complaint here relates to the fact that your other complaint on WP:PAIN was not dealt with the way you wanted" my ass.

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Monicasdude closed

This arbitration case is closed.

Monicasdude is placed on standard civility parole for one year. If he makes any edits which are judged by an administrator to be uncivil, personal attacks, or assumptions of bad faith, then he may be blocked for a short time of up to one week for repeat offenses. Monicasdude is banned from making edits related to the deletion process (excepting obvious vandalism and copyright problems) for one year. This is to be interpreted broadly, and includes, but is not limited to, commenting on articles for deletion nominations and removals of nominations for proposed deletion and speedy deletion. He may be blocked for a short time of up to one week for repeat offenses. After 5 such blocks, the maximum block time is increased to a year.

Should Monicasdude violate any ban imposed by this decision he may be briefly blocked, up to a week for repeat offenses. After 5 such blocks, the maximum block time is increased to a year. All blocks to be logged at Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Monicasdude#Log_of_blocks_and_bans.

For the Arbitration Committee, --Ryan Delaney 08:15, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

As soon as his 99 hours block ended....

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Hamas&diff=52820462&oldid=52794524

Shared IP, and simple reports of vandalism should go on WP:AIV - when the user has been given a {{test3}}, {{test4}} or {{bv}} warning and has continued to vandalise despite that. --Sam Blanning 10:09, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Help

Apparently you are the guys to talk to about editing in the wiki.

I got a bit confused and wanted to thank Mr Wales for his site as it helped me in researching for a recent paper i did, but I think i put my comments under the wrong tab or wrong place, i dunno.

I was wondering if there was somewhere i could learn about to edit the wiki properly. i clearly am inadept at it, but i don't think that made name calling a necessity. i mean i don't own any spray paint anyway.

your help would be most appreciated.

ps is there an easy way to sign your name without having to copy the time every time?

tom

User:172.201.101.170 14:50, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Please take a look at Misplaced Pages:Introduction, it will teach you. :-) And signatures are done by typing: ~~~~ Kimchi.sg 17:30, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Help vs. Harrassment!

I made one ill-considered edit (I thought it was legit), and now I am being attacked from all sides, with ordinary users placing vandalism warnings and sock puppet notices on my personal page in retaliation. I haven't vandalized anything and I'm not a sock puppet. Full story is here. Help! -- Gomi-no-sensei 20:02, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Why was your very first edit to the encylopedia under this username to another user's userpage? --Syrthiss 20:14, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I saw a red user name when I hit "Recent changes" and asked the person who was showing me Misplaced Pages why the user's link was red, even though he had made lots of edits. I thought it would be innocuous. -- Gomi-no-sensei 20:28, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok, looking at your contributions I don't see anything that looks naughty. I'm going to AGF and propose to IronDuke that he leave you alone, and you should leave him alone. This just looks like it spiraled out of control. --Syrthiss 20:35, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Deep breath... all right, I'm familiar enough with Misplaced Pages at this point to see how the above represents a pattern. User A harasses user B (User B being me), user B reacts (in an entirely appropriate way), user A makes a public accusation of harassment (accusing the victim of his own behavior) and editors rush in to "warn" User B to back off. First off: gomi-no-sensei is, I believe, a user who has severely harassed me in the past (and almost been blocked for doing so) and may have multiple sock puppets. But before I get to that - does anyone here believe, for one tenth of a second, that a newbie editor would make his first edit to create someone else's user page? And how would a new user even know that most editors who make lots of edits don't have red usernames unless he was already an editor? Did his mythical "friend" tell him? But that's really the tip of the iceberg. Let's take some of gomi-no-sensei's points one by one.

"I have been the subject of harassment by two Misplaced Pages users: User:IronDuke and an anonymous editor 69.117.7.84, who may be the same person as IronDuke." I am especially grateful that GNS made this point, as I think it illustrates not only the disingenuousness going on here, but that GNS attempts to smear me with what he is in fact guilty of -- being/using a sockpuppet. The reason that 69.117.7.84 complained on GNS's talk page was that GNS created an unwanted user page for him, too (and that's harassment?). Is GNS implying that, at random, he selected two users for whom to create an unwanted userpage, and that those two users happen to be the same person? What do you suppose the chances of that are? At any rate, I'd be interested to see GNS press that case formally, if he truly believes it.

Moving on: my first edit to GNS's talk page was simply this: "Who are you?" I think this was a perfectly reasonable, neutral thing to ask in response to someone messing with my userpage, neither rude nor polite. I was genuinely curious, thinking it might be a bot, or someone had just made an innocent mistake. I didn't want to bite someone's head off without getting a response. The response I got was having my message simply deleted. Later, when I restored the message, and added another, it was also deleted. Finally, GNS abused the speedy delete function to entirely erase my comments (and bragged about it), when he could have at least (improperly) archived them. Also, just as a for instance, GNS did not "restore" a deleted user page. Mine was never in existence up until his edit.

I've been advised to "move on" and I think that's good advice and would love to. However, I am being harassed/stalked by someone via their sockpuppet (or maybe meatpuppet, but I'm pretty sure sock). I think I'm not out of line in asking for a checkuser run with GNS and several other users who may be socks/puppeteers of GNS.

There is, finally, a tendency here at WP, when two editors are having a dispute, to essentially tell both of them, "Okay kids, play nice, I don't care who hit who first." That's totally understandable and generally sensible, but it's a really bad idea here: this user, I believe, has been stalking me in a really unpleasant and threatening manner. I may be wrong, but it absolutely has to be investigated, and if I am indeed wrong, I will abjectly and grovellingly apologize to all concerned. This is why I began the sockpuppet investigation, to get the ball rolling. I believe that it has been closed prematurely and improperly. I have more evidence, and was not consulted in any way prior to its closing. Please know, I'm not denigrating any admins or casting aspersions. I know the idea here is to try to reduce friction and get on with editing, and believe me, that's what I'd like to do. I didn't seek this out, I was essentially baited by a socktroll (and fell for it), and now am put in the unfortunate position of having to plead my case as a co-aggressor, when an actual investigation of the person tormenting me should be taking place. Please keep an open mind here, I really need this to stop. IronDuke 22:57, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I recall that Ironduke has been the subject of harassment before. ID, I'm going to continue this discussion with you by e-mail so as to keep it off the website. Cheers, SlimVirgin 23:19, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I requested a check user and it confirms that User:Gomi-no-sensei and User:Anomicene are operated by the same person, and that someone from that same IP set up User:IronDuck, which was never used, but which appears to have been created to mimic IronDuke. Given that Gomi's first edit was to create a page for IronDuke, and that someone using his IP address created an account mimicking IronDuke, that strongly suggests to me that Gomi may indeed be Gnetwerker, who was previously harassing IronDuke in the form of posting his personal details. However, the check-user evidence on that point is "inconclusive," which I understand means the IP evidence doesn't confirm that Gomi-no-sensei and Anomicene are Gnetwerker, but that it doesn't rule it out either. In the meantime, I've blocked Gomi-no-sensei as an abusive sockpuppet, leaving Anomicene as the main account until further evidence linking them to Gnetwerker is available. SlimVirgin 05:15, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, I guess I have to say something here (actually several somethings):

• I am not User:Gomi-no-sensei;
• I am not User:Gnetwerker;
• I know who both of those users are, and they are not the same people
• I do sometimes work on the same sub-net as Gomi, so I see how User:SlimVirgin got confused; and
• Gomi is astonishingly pissed-off that he has no way of responding to his block -- he can't edit anywhere, or send email to admins, apparently.

All of this is beside the point, I guess. I have no beef with User:IronDuke, and it would appear that the ways of Misplaced Pages admins are far beyond the ken of us normal folk, especially from a brief perusal of Gomi's talk page. What a mess. -- Anomicene 07:44, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't know exactly what the check-user evidence showed, but it was enough to conclude that you are the same person, and in addition you edit the same articles. If you want to e-mail me or any other admin, as Gomi, there is nothing to stop that account from doing so. In addition to the sockpuppetry, the same person set up what looked like an attack account, IronDuck. We've had enough of whatever these shenanigans are. The bottom line is that the person behind these accounts needs to stay away from IronDuke. SlimVirgin 07:49, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, I certainly don't want to pick a fight with you, but I think you are confusing IP addresses with people. Does the phrase "Network Address Translation (NAT)" mean anything here? But this is not my fight, so I'll leave it be. -- Anomicene 08:04, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

The CheckUser evidence confirms that Gomi-no-sensei is a sockpuppet of Anomicene, as was the attack account IronDuck. I suppose Gomi-no-sensei could be Anomicene's identical twin who happens to live with him, but Occam's razor teaches that entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity. Jayjg 08:01, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Check users on Anti-Americanism

So, I've just had a flare-up on Anti-Americanism. After a week of often snarky talk posts with a red-linked editor and another editor who won't use talk at all (user or main space) I have them both on at the same time and, given that neither is particularly active, I got wondering if they're the same person. Anyhow, I was hoping some one could check User:Rkrichbaum and User:Christinam to see if they're editing from the same spot. I could totally be wrong and just have a situation where two newbies disagree with me at once, but I want to do due diligence. I have three reverts there now and I'm a little frustrated: it's a months-old intro and it got gutted without consensus. I asked an admin individually to look at it and thought I'd ask here too. Marskell

I'm not certain that a request for check user would be justified here, but you ought to ask, in any case, at WP:RFCU. Joe 01:56, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Πrate

Πrate (talk · contribs) claims to be a Chinese Wikipedian, but the name makes me wonder whether he/she is a sockpuppet of banned user Irate (talk · contribs). Thoughts? --Nlu (talk) 01:24, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Interestingly Π (capital letter π "pi") makes this user's name "pirate" perhaps? — May. 13, '06 <freakofnur_xture|talk>

As far as one can tell the edit patters are quite different. (And I like the pi-rate pun.) Dr Zak 02:17, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Myg0t

Could an admin please take a look at this article? It has had two previous AfD's that resulted in its deletion (Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/Myg0t and Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Myg0t (2nd nomination)) and is now undergoing its third. The page needs to speedy deleted as a repost and please protect it this time, as its creators have made it clear they have no respect for policy. Thanks. --Hetar 04:51, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

I've done so. Two AFDs is quite enough for a marginal online crufty article. --maru (talk) contribs 05:12, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Could someone have a serious talk with this editor?

Sorry to bring this here, but I don't know where else it might be more appropriate to mention this. Could someone have a word with User:Kuban kazak, please? Maybe that could help de-escalating a nasty situation without my having to file an RfC. The issue are gross violations of WP:NPA, WP:CIVIL, and the "no threats" policy (what was that shortcut, again?). I don't think things like "you will regret this", calling me a "parasite" or a "nazi" twice, or stating that he "will make my life more miserable" should be tolerated. Banding together with other editors to push a demonstratably false view (on an image copyright tag) also is questionable behavior. Lupo 09:01, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

The root of the problem is the refusal of some (apparently Russian) editors to accept that {{PD-USSR}} is just plain wrong. For the detailed reasoning, see this summary. Note that I didn't invent that reasoning; there are several U.S. experts who say so; and Russian and Ukrainian experts also agree, and I even discussed the issue with Jean-Baptiste Soufron, our very own Wikimedia foundation lawyer specialized on international copyright issues. What I find most annoying is that none of these editors has participated in the discussions about this template during the past months, although they most certainly were aware of the issue. None of them ever brought forward any rational argument why the template should be right; all I ever got were personal attacks. Lupo 09:01, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

P.S.: One editor did make an effort to understand the (admittedly confusing) copyright situation of Soviet works, and agreed finally that the tag indeed needed fixing. Thanks, Zscout370! Lupo 09:01, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Lupo personal attacks is something ths is not nice but that is a mild form considering your abuse of WP:FAITH and for an admin like you that is important. I have started an RfC against you. You used your admin powers to deprecate a tagwithout any mention to the Russian and Ukrainian communities TWICE. First time we were insulted deep enough but now we feel like we have been spat in the face. That is compleate neglect of a whole community of editors, who actually try to IMPROVE wikipedia. --Kuban Cossack 12:52, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

You might want to provide diffs, as Zach has, to support your assertations. Zach has shown diffs of six personal attacks by you on him, and you should probably respond to these before you make your own unsubstantiated assertations. Werdna_Tc@bCmLt 17:49, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

The point is, you cannot find any cases of copyright disputes or court trials on this subject. In the meantime, User:Lupo abused his admin powers by editing a protected page (MediaWiki:Licenses) only because of his own interest. -- Grafikm 13:16, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Editing a protected page as an admin is not forbidden. There is a reason why Admins are given that power. Werdna_Tc@bCmLt 17:49, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Yea... the only thing Lupo has done wrong so far is to not completely allow or follow consensus... I can't say he's right or wrong but the vote and the discussion seems unclear and the action may have been premature. As for the personal attacks by Kuban kazak, he definetely should be blocked. Looking at the block log he seems to not have learned his lesson from before. Therefore, I am giving him a 48 hour block. Sasquatch t|c 19:49, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Lupo's RfC

WRT to the conversation above, can people please comment on this: Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Lupo--Kuban Cossack 13:20, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Help at WP:SUSPSOCK

Hi there everybody. Misplaced Pages:Suspected sock puppets is a page which was created few weeks ago when WP:SOCK was rewritten. The point of the page is to collect evidence that a user is a sock and then take action. And for action to be taken we need admins. For now, only admin taking part in this project is me. So I'd like to see some more admins participating and giving me a hand there :-) If anybody's interested, it'd be nice to put the page on your watchlist and to comment new cases as they appear. Concerning currently open cases, if you wish, you can take a look at this one as I'm having problems deciding what to do about it... Participation of non-admin users would be just fine too. Since non-admins cannot block, I invite them to comment, propose action or just give their view. --Dijxtra 16:45, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Terryeo

This case is closed.

Terryeo (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is banned from articles related to Scientology and Dianetics, placed indefinitely on Misplaced Pages:Probation and Personal Attack Parole. The usual enforcement provisions apply. See the link above for details.

For the Arbitration Committee. --Tony Sidaway 17:03, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Another potential open proxy \ backslash case

The only edit of new user User:JackieChansBiggestFan seems to have this classic signature. This seems to be exactly what User:Cesarb describes above. If this can be confirmed, someone should probably indefinitely block. EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 19:27, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

I blocked indefinetly and will post something at checkuser to tell them to look up and block the IP. Sasquatch t|c 19:34, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Done. Mackensen (talk) 20:17, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Guanaco

I have blocked Guanaco for three hours for repeatedly making an edit describing other editors as bullies , despite being politely asked (by editors other than myself) not to do so. --Tony Sidaway 20:02, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

I must respectfully disagree with this block. I was one of the people who saw the potential edit war brewing; Guanaco first placed a comment saying "And practice should reflect consensus, not the demands of bullies." in the talk page of the CSD earlier today. Doc glasgow noticed this comment and left a message on Guanaco's talk page, explaining that the comment could be "interpreted as a personal attack" and urged Guanaco to withdraw it. Guanaco replied on his user talk page, refusing to withdraw it. Following this, Doc glasgow rolled back the edit by Guanaco and left a message, saying that he had reverted (removed) Guanaco's comment "for him". Guanaco then reverted Doc glasgow's rollback and replied on his user talk page, asking Doc glasgow not to delete the comment. At this point, I sensed that I could try and prevent an ugly revert war and calm things down; I left a message for him politely requesting that everyone tone things down. There was no more reverting from this point onward; Guanaco replied to me, saying that "out of respect for your request, I will try being politically correct one more time," a postive response. Doc glasgow also left a message after that. That was at 18:21 UTC; Guanaco had no contributions between then and 19:58, over an hour and a half later, when Tony Sidaway blocked Guanaco for 3 hours and then removed Guanaco's comments from the CSD talk page 10 minutes later. Guanaco only reverted once and had stopped doing so over an hour and a half later; in addition, he had promised, in his reply to me, to tone things down. While I'm not condoning Guanaco's or anyone else's actions, I don't think this block is necessary or proper, given that Guanaco had only reverted once, was actively engaged in discussion, had promised to tone things down, and had not edited for over an hour and a half before his block.

I hope I've outlined the whole situation correctly above; Tony Sidaway, I urge you to reconsider this block. Comments from other people would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 21:43, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

(IANAA) I think Flcelloguy's summary accurately and fairly represents the situation, and I concur in his conclusion that Tony would do well to reconsider the block. Joe 21:44, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

It may be worth adding that in his response to Flcelloguy, "out of respect for your request..." which Flcellogu describes as a 'a postive response', Guanaco actually unrepentently repeats the very agressive words to which I had initially objected. Rather than debate the issues he snidely and unhelpfully refers again to 'some people' as 'bullies' - and their ideas as 'bullshit'. Repeating the incivility is hardly 'trying to be politically correct' - he is are still attacking people without havin the courage to name them. --Doc 22:00, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

True; I'm not condoning Guanaco's actions here. I personally feel that he was incivil as well. But I'm disagreeing with the block because Guanaco had only reverted once when his comment containing a borderline (i.e. not clear-cut) personal attack was removed, and had not edited in over an hour and a half prior to his block. Blocks aren't supposed to be punitive, and I don't see a justification when the editor had stopped reverting after he had reverted only once and wasn't even editing. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 22:07, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

I have to register an extremely strong disagreement with Flcelloguy. Calling a fellow editor a bully is not borderline. I felt, and still feel, that Guanaco's deliberate and premeditated rebuff to some polite requests, and his repetition of the original attack, merited some kind of preventive. I blocked Guanaco at 1958 UTC, putting a note on his talk page at 1959 and on this page at 2003 and 2007. I chose to remove the personal attack some time afterwards--over an hour afterwards, at 2109 UTC. --Tony Sidaway 22:43, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

I am definitely not condoning Guanaco's actions here; I urged him to not use such terms as well. There is no excuse for personal attacks of any kind. However, a block when he had neither reverted nor edited for over an hour and a half, had only reverted what he perceived as the removal of his valid comment once, and had not reverted since being asked not to, was inappropriate in my view, especially since the comment was not a clear-cut personal attack (i.e. "so and so is a bully or idiot!" versus "And practice should reflect consensus, not the demands of bullies," which while is still incivil, is not as egregious as an outright insult or personal attack). Blocks are not supposed to be punitive. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 23:11, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

The "personal insult" was at best/worst indirect and to me at least came across as a criticism of behavior - it is not a personal attack, after all to characterize behavior as bullying, if such a charge can be substantiated. Sidaway, on the other hand, blocked without getting familiar with the specifics, including efforts to mediate and reciprocal efforts to calm down. Unless he actually intended it as a punitive measure, the block was unfounded. --Leifern 02:31, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

I cannot accept that "And practice should reflect consensus, not the demands of bullies" is not a most egregious and unacceptable personal attack. The block was intended to prevent further escalation of this repeated personal attack, which was defended in the most disingenuous and back-handed manner . --Tony Sidaway 00:00, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Uofakevo's user page

I got a message from Uofakevo stating that he was going to "shoot" on Misplaced Pages on his user page, namely say that Misplaced Pages is "whack". I told him as long as no personal attacks were made, then he could say whatever he wanted. I got another message from him today saying he posted his "shoot". I read the complaint on his user page and I feel they are personal attacks towards myself and another user, Feydey. Can someone remove them and warn him of his actions? DGX 20:16, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

In pertinent part, the "Misplaced Pages shoot" notes that, ...Misplaced Pages is run by the biggest gang of geeks to ever walk the face of God's green Earth. Some of the people here (DGX & feydey being the worst offenders) decided to wreck unnecessary havoc and remove a perfectly fine and noteworthy entry and that DGX, feydey, and any of you other tools here: you're on notice. The former, although likely indecorous, isn't, IMHO, a personal attack, inasmuch as the focus is on the (altogether correct) conduct of particular users, rather than on the users themselves; we generally, I think, look with disfavor on user page criticisms of individual editors (here, he could criticize the deletion of his vanity bio without referencing the other editors with whom he clashed), but the former criticisms are not particularly strident or vituperative (similar, in fact, to those many listed on their user pages w/r/to User:Kelly Martin during the Userbox Wars). The latter, though, terms editors as tools, and so is likely a personal attack; even as I have many problems with WP:NPA, I recognize that the policy generally enjoys wide support, so, in view of NPA, I'll remove the offending sentence from Uofakevo's page; I can't imagine that anyone would think further action (e.g., short block) would be appropriate, but surely others may disagree. Joe 20:45, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

If someone could watch him so he doesn't make anymore personal attacks that would be great. Although I don't particulary liked being called a geek on his user page, it didn't strike my attention as much as the comment that I was a tool (which was removed). Thank you. DGX 20:56, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

I just want to let it be known in advance that I am a proud geek and tool. I haven't looked into this case, but I find having a sense of humor about it really helps when others make themselves look terrible by namecalling or other forms of PA. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 21:49, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Update: OK, I looked. This newbie doesn't need much help to make himself look terrible so far. No contributions but those related to a clear cut nn-bio vanity page. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 21:57, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Of course, nobody looks at my side of the story. Figures. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uofakevo (talk • contribs)

If you feel like sharing your side of the story, by all means.. go ahead. DGX 20:38, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Constant Page Blanking on Bolo Yeung

An anonymous IP address (82.7.136.2 is blanking the Filmography on the Bolo Yeung article. Right after I revert it, he vandalises it again. Assistance would be helpful. Cracker017 00:14, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

I've semi-protected the page for a short while. Stifle (talk) 00:17, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Appeal

Can I appeal to any admins with some spare time to spend it clearing the image dumping categories Category:Images with unknown source and the other categories linked there? While nowhere near as badly backlogged as they used to be, there's still upwards of a thousand images to be speedied.

Additionally, when you've done that, or if you're not an admin, please consider going on new image patrol for a while every couple of days. While OrphanBot picks out most untagged images, it can't deal with the images that have some copyright tag but no source, or which have a fair use tag and aren't in any articles, or which have a completely irrelevant fair use tag.

And when you're bored of that, would you consider taking a look through a random fair use image category, like Category:Fair use magazine covers and doing random fair use audits? A magazine cover can be fairly used in the article about the magazine, but generally not in an article about the person depicted on the front cover.

Now, back to your regular speedying... if you have any time left, that is... Stifle (talk) 00:15, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

I will conceed that this is a fairly effective method of keeping a reasonabley high deletions per month average.Geni 11:59, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Minimum age for wikipedia?

Is there a minimum age for wikipedia? I'm a bit fuzzy on the subject, but I thought there was a minimum age required by law (COPPA)? I'm not sure if Misplaced Pages falls under this however. I ask because User:Bugman94 admits on his user page to being only 12. I don't know what should be done if anything. Could someone look into this? Thanks a bunch --Charlie 01:26, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

No, there is no minimum age to edit Misplaced Pages. Raul654 01:27, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Not minimum age to edit, but minimum age to create an account. He could have given his real name, as well as email address during the signup process. A few FTC links about COPPA: . I just wanted to make sure that Misplaced Pages is has its bases covered. --Charlie 01:45, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

What about people not in America? --Mark Neelstin 01:51, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

There is no minimum age for anything. Misplaced Pages is the "the 💕 that anyone can edit", so no matter who you are, as long as you follow the policies, you can edit. Prodego 01:54, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

I wasn't refuting the part that anyone can edit, just anyone can create an account and give their personal information. Although it would help if I read the text of COPPA better and saw "does not include any nonprofit entity that would otherwise be exempt from coverage under section 5 of the Federal Trade Commission Act (15 U.S.C. 45)." Misplaced Pages is under the Wikimedia Foundation which is non-profit right? So I don't think we have to worry about this. --Charlie 01:57, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

I think we are exempt because we are a nonprofit (although I saw no clause 5 in the FTC act), but COPPA is pretty clear on the matter: (1) IN GENERAL.—It is unlawful for an operator of a website or online service directed to children, or any operator that has actual knowledge that it is collecting personal information from a child, to collect personal information from a child in a manner that violates the regulations prescribed under subsection - The only things we ask are for a username, password, and an optional email address. Thus, we do not knowingly collect information from children. Raul654 02:02, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Awesome, I'm glad. Thanks for your help Raul, Mark and Prodego! --Charlie 02:07, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

I think there should be a maximum age of 22 years. — Knowledge Seeker দ 02:15, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

I guess I'll have to edit as much as I can in the next 11 months, just in case I become ineligible at that point via Knowledge Seeker's rule proposal. ;o) EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 02:23, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

• I think there should be a minimum age of 21 years. It seems to me that the younger users tend to either (1) use Misplaced Pages as their message board, sulking around pages like this, (2) vandalize pages randomly until they're blocked, or (3) write articles that only teenagers care about (e.g., non-notable bands or anime characters.) I find it disappointing that many of these younger users tend to become administrators simply because they're good at popularity contests. The older users never get praised because they aren't "cool" enough, I guess.--67.15.183.8 02:27, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

A minimum of 21 and a maximum of 22... this is starting to sound like the[REDACTED] triple crown where editors can work for a year and then either are bred or turned into glue :o) --Charlie 02:40, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

If this were true, we'd have a lot less vandals. Given the choice of a year of hard work and a lifetime of breeding, or a year of goofing around and a lifetime of being an adhesive, I think I know what most people would choose. :o) EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 02:43, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

We're not going to geld any users, are we? I'd like to opt out of that. Joe 02:46, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

We'd have to rename the place Logan's Wiki. --bainer (talk) 05:32, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

I NEW someone was going to mention that!!!Voice-of-All 06:39, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

I got lost somewhere

Someone needs to help this clueless newbie... I tried deleting this page and restoring it, but I think I accidentally restored some previously deleted edits. (I think it went from 28 deleted edits down to only the two I wanted to delete.) Is there someway to fix what I did? I'm so disappointed in myself. Please help! I don't know what I may have restored... :-( --Mark Neelstin 04:04, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

What page is it? There should be, let me have a look at it. Snoutwood (talk) 04:17, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

He meant this page, as in the AN. ~MDD4696 04:20, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Looks O.K... what's the problem? There's a total of two deleted edits, both should be deleted. Am I missing something? Snoutwood (talk) 04:29, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh... got it. I'd do it, but MDD46 seems to already have the reins. Snoutwood (talk) 04:31, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm gonna give it a go. Give me a few minutes. ~MDD4696 04:23, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes... There are only about 20000 versions though. Argh! I'm so mad at myself. I'm done for awhile. See you soon. --Mark Neelstin 04:27, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

I couldn't do it, and I'm confused how you could, LV. I kept getting the Wikimedia error message (the one with the dark cyan text in multiple languages)... oh well. Anyone else know what they're doing? ~MDD4696 04:59, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

I just deleted the AN, and it nearly crashed my computer. Try e-mailing Brion and see if he can help. Snoutwood (talk) 05:01, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Username blocks

Hey -- I haven't been meaning to patrol this, but in the last few days I've come across at least 3 editors who have been username blocked and were confused as hell and wanted to be unblocked, some specifically offering to get a new username. Anyway, it's not that big a deal, but I just wanted to remind the admins who do username blocks to please put {{UsernameBlocked}} on the user's talk page, so they have some clue what has happened. It explains what the block is for, and what they can do to solve the issue. Thanks! Mangojuice 04:36, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Internet slang

How about a permanent semi-protect for this page? It's subject to a lot of IP's vandalising it by adding extremely obscure abbreviations, that sometimes aren't noticed and removed for months. There were a few that a channel in the US made up (yes, literally, it was on Digg) for a news-report. +Hexagon1 (talk) 05:08, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

It seems to have died down for now. If it is happening at a high rate please post on WP:AIV. — xaosflux 11:30, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Move Rename

A small MediaWiki proposal .Voice-of-All 06:44, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Probation of Shultz IV (talk · contribs)

I have been attempting to mediate this user, and as a reward I got a picture of myself uploaded and personal information posted on my user talk page. This user has a history of such behavior, and so I have placed him on probation here. The terms are that the mediation ends if he (1) uploads any personal pictures which don't have connections to the purpose of Misplaced Pages, (2) "outs" anyone's personal information, or (3) engages in personal attacks on other users, especially if those attacks involve the personal information of another user.

As my mediation was a term of his being unblocked, I think that if this mediation fails we would be looking at a community-supported indefinite block, which was where he started. Failing that, I suppose we could consider Arbcom. In the short term, any admins who find Shultz in violation of those three terms should feel free to block as they feel necessary. (ESkog) 16:40, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

IP Vandalism

Hello WP:AN, I'd like to report User talk:217.33.207.195. As some of you may be aware, this is an IP adress (some school, or group of schools it seems) with many users; including vandals. Has anyone thought about contacting whomever owns and runs this IP adress, and informing them that one of the students is vandalising this site. I'd've thought that a little "scare" from the owners or someone of authority (A headteacher or whatever) should help to sort out the behaviour of any scoundrels (as it did for another ex-Misplaced Pages-vandal who shares an IP Adress with many others *cough*.) It is a suggestion. --Wonderfool 19:01, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Sounds like you want abuse reports :) Petros471 19:06, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

User:Almost Famous and copyvio tags

User:Almost Famous has uploaded a number of images that were subsequently tagged as copyright violations by User:Econrad and myself. Both of us tried to explain the copyright policy on his talk page.

He then stated that he received permission to publish some of the images and removed the copyvio tags from those that he says he got permission for. I understand that like AfD tags copyvio tags are to stay up while the image is under review and explained this to him.

Could someone explain what the procedure really is and if necessary put the tags back - I don't want to get into an edit war over half a dozen copyvio notices. Dr Zak 19:45, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Unless the user provides verifiable proof that they have the right to publish the images and release them under GFDL, the tags have to stay, and the user should be blocked if they continue the behavior. User:Zoe| 20:48, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Moe Epsilon's Userspace

I request my Right to vanish be fulfilled and ask the first admin to see this message, to delete my user and user talk pages. (you may also want to delete all my redirected sub-pages too). Thanks, and goodbye friends! Moe ε 22:53, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm working on the user pages, but I won't delete the the talk page. Someone else might, but it isn't covered under WP:CSD, so I don't feel comfortable doing it. Prodego 23:01, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

I did it. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 23:04, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks to all deleting my pages. I hope to return one day, but for now goodbye! Moe ε 23:07, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

You still have quite a few pages under your old username. Delete those too? NoSeptember 23:14, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

I undeleted the talk page just under the assumption that it had been deleted by an administrator who didn't know that many disapprove of deleting user talk pages. I tried to cancel my deletion but it was too late. I came here to report it, but see there's already a section. I do believe that user talk pages should not be deleted, but will leave it to others to decide—it is not my intention to wheel war. Was I incorrect to do this? — Knowledge Seeker দ 23:20, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

It states in Right to vanish that I can have my talk page deleted, so It's a matter if you feel it's the right thing to do. There's nothing really important in the talk history, so I don't see a reason that it can't be deleted. To NoSeptember: Yes, everything. ;-) Moe ε 23:22, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Sometimes people want thier talk pages to be deleted to hide evidence of warnings etc. In that sort of case then clearly we should not delete thier talk page in case they return and cause more trouble. This doesn't appear to be the cae here (unless I missed something). If Moe Epsilon wishes to dissapear then we should grant that wish. I too will not will war, but urge other admins to delete the talk page unless there is good reason not to. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 23:31, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

This would be a lot of pages to delete. Prodego 23:36, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry but all of these should be deelted too. (SWD316 is my old username). Moe ε 23:42, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

I am unclear as to what extent m:Right to vanish is Wikimedia policy and to what extent it binds our activities on here en. I don't believe it assert any right that one's talk will be deleted (and only mentions talk subpages), though I am unclear how carefully the procedure was discussed. A significant objection to the deletion of talk pages is that they are primarily the contributions of other editors that a user should not have the ability to have deleted. Those edits then disappear from the contributions of other editors as well (for instance, if someone undergoing a request for arbitration had made inappopriate comments to Moe, they would no longer be accessible). I re-deleted since I would rather come to a consensus first. I still feel that it should be undeleted; it can be blanked and protected if necessary. — Knowledge Seeker দ 23:46, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually blanking and protecting seems reasonable enough. Moe is there any particular reason that you must have your talk page deleted? I think the idea of a right to vanish comes from meatball wiki. But you can't really vanish since contributions are spread all over the wiki. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 00:00, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Nope, nothing to hide. I figured since I was leaving Misplaced Pages for good then I would get all my pages deleted. To clarify: I want to have my talk page deleted, but it's ultimatly up to those who have the power to delete/undelete my talk page. If it's restored, I won't hold anything against anyone, it was just my request for it's deletion. Moe ε 00:17, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Based on this discussion, I will restore the deleted talk page, blank it, and protect it. — Knowledge Seeker দ 01:24, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

User:Babolatace510 and copyvio material at Dansette

A copy/paste of the article http://www.dansettes.co.uk/history.htm was created at Dansette. It was copyvio'd by User:Heycos and I placed a copy of the nothanks template on the user's page. The same article was then copied and pasted at Dansette/Temp. I copyvio'd it. Now, the identical article has been copied/pasted at Dansette/Temp/Temp. I'm not quite sure what the correct procedure is for addressing an issue that is obviously ongoing copyright violation, but is not eligible for a speedy because it's not from a commercial content provider. (See also user contributions) BigDT 23:39, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

I have speedy deleted all copies of the copyvio page on the grounds that they are replicated content and we don't need more than one copy. I will have a word with User:Babolatace510. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 23:50, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

• FYI, it's back up at Dansettes BigDT 23:53, 14 May 2006 (UTC) Well darn, you guys do some fast work ;) BigDT 23:54, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

• • It is back up at Dansette/Temp/Temp/Temp, though. BigDT 23:56, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Sexual harassment article

This is a minor matter, but I'd like some wisdom from someone. I am slightly irritated by recent edits from sockpuppets of Aine63, as shown here. I've given a couple of warnings to the IP users concerned, but I'm disinclined to get "heavy" at this point, and besides I don't want to use admin powers over a content dispute that I'm involved in. OTOH, I feel that being an admin shouldn't mean having to put up with another user's sockpuppets continually deleting sources and sourced information, adding back deleted unsourced information, or simply acting uncivilly. Does anyone want to offer a suggestion or take an interest in this article? Feel free to drop a note on my talk page. Metamagician3000 00:02, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

For the moment I've semi-protected the page. The next sockpuppet revert would have been a 3RR by Aine63. I'll leave the page alone for now and let someone else unprotect it at their discretion. Let it stay for awhile, though, please. Metamagician3000 00:11, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Theresa Knott helped me out after Aine63 made a third reversion. I've just thanked her for that. For reasons that I hope are obvious, I don't want to be the person to block Aine63 but I do note that there is now soon to be a clear 3RR violation by this person and his/her sockpuppets. Not only are the reverts all in a period of a few hours, in each case they delete sources and sourced comment while adding back dubious unsourced material. The user concerned has apparently also filed some kind of request against me somewhere. Metamagician3000 02:13, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Correction - there have only been three reverts so far. The next one will be a clear breach of 3RR. We'll see what happens. Metamagician3000 02:25, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Cyde, Kelly Martin and images in signatures.

Cyde (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) and Kelly_Martin (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) are bullying me, attacking me and are both constantly incivil because I refused their demands to remove images in my signature.

I quote WP:SIG: However, these elements in the signature are discouraged for several reasons:

Discouraged does not mean disallowed or prohibited.

I call for a block on Cyde for his constant personal attacks and incivility (which has migrated from my talk page to his) and a warning for Kelly Martin.

This has gone too far and I'm seething.

See: User_talk:Cyde#Excuse_me and User_talk:nathanrdotcom#Images in sigs.

What should have started out as a polite request for me to change my signature has degenerated into incivility and personal attacks. As an admin, Cyde should know better than to engage in such behaviour. Bullying is a violation of WP:CIVIL thus against Misplaced Pages policy. He is antagonising and provoking a confrontation and I would rather post here than give him what he wants. — nathanrdotcom|talk 15 May 2006 (UTC)

I reproduce here what I wrote on Nathan's talk page:

Nathan, you should remove the images from your signature not because it's "required by policy" but because it's the polite thing to do. Being wilfully impolite, as you are doing, reflects poorly on you as a Wikipedian and will tend to bias people against you. It's your call (for now); I'd strongly suggest that you stop thinking about your "rights" and instead focus on how you can behave in a manner more conducive to maintaining a friendly, productive environment in which to write an encyclopedia.

I'm sorry if Nathan considers this a personal attack. It was intended as friendly advice. In any case, I wilfully submit myself and my conduct in this matter for judgment by my peers. Kelly Martin (talk) 03:10, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't see any "bullying", personal attacks, or incivility here at all. And no, Cyde should not be blocked. All I see is Nathan being stubborn after he was confronted about his rather—to put it lightly—elaborate signature. This is a supreme overreaction to an exceedingly minor issue.--Sean Black 03:15, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm happy that Nathanrdotcom has finally removed the images from his sig. Guess I won't have to "bother" him about it anymore. --Cyde Weys 03:16, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Having reviewed the conversations to which Nathan linked, I must say that I am quite disappointed in Nathan's behavior, and I find neither personal attacks nor uncivil behavior from Kelly Martin nor Cyde Weys. Cyde's first comment to Nathan, as far as I can see, was "Please remove the images in your sig. One is already beyond the bounds of what is expected; three is entirely beyond the bounds of what is expected. See WP:SIG." Nathan responded quite emotionally, implying that even were it policy he would only remove the images is MediaWiki disabled them, and protested perceived blocks and orders. I see no evidence that Cyde or Kelly ever threatened a block, issued an order, or made any other statements besides requests. To me, Nathan's reaction seems quite over the top. If I have missed the incivility or personal attacks, I'd appreciate them being pointed out. — Knowledge Seeker দ 03:29, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't know if I'm allowed to edit here, since I am not an admin, so if you need to, revert me.
Reply to Knowledge Seeker:
Cyde said, "Being wilfully impolite, as you are doing, reflects poorly on you as a Wikipedian and will tend to bias people against you.". That means that Cyde is calling Nathan "willingfully impolite" or "rude". And Cyde is saying he is not a good wikipedian. So, calling someone rude and a bad wikipedian can be considered a personal attack. Right?. Also, Cyde said, "I'd strongly suggest that you stop thinking about your "rights" and instead focus on how you can behave in a manner more conducive to maintaining a friendly, productive environment in which to write an encyclopedia.". That means that Nathan doesn't have rights, because cyde quoted them, which is implying that "rights" are a joke. Also, Cyde is saying that Nathan is not friendly or productive. Nathan is very friendy, because he has many friends. Nathan is very productive, because he has over 6100 edits.
Thanks, --GeorgeMoney  03:58, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

George, you seem to be laboring under at least one misapprehension of the truth: the words you above attribute to Cyde were in fact said by me. I would advise that you retract your comments about Cyde's conduct, given that they are founded in falsehood. Kelly Martin (talk) 04:24, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Nathanrdotcom blocked for persistently flaunting a stupidly large and garish signature

Enough is enough. I have blocked Nathanrdotcom for twelve hours for "Persistently flaunting a stupidly large signature with multiple image inclusions". --Tony Sidaway 04:28, 15 May 2006 (UTC)