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Sabrina (pop singer)

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From the person who brought us Jonathan Hay (publicist) (afd), Jonathan Hay Publicity (afd) and Hay's Hoopla Worldwide (afd) comes this advert for a singer with Hay's publicity company who is Hoopla Worldwide's co founder. It is a ridiculously bloated mess of promotion, bombardment, puffery, deception, bad sources and attempts to assert notablity by association.



It claims she has gold sales in the UK but a search for them on the British Phonographic Industry site comes up empty. The only Sabrina found is Sabrina Salerno with Boys (Summertime Love). Give this apparent lie can we believe anything else in this article? (See also the same claim in the authors piece on Audio Stepchild which has the same claim and for which a search comes up empty).
Article claims charting but after the gold claim can this be believed? a search of Billboard and allmusic came up empty. More lies? This piece has a huge mass of sources but most are not reliable sources.


A mix of sources associated with Hoopla, shops, blogs, press releases, sources that don't mention Audio Stepchild, passing mentions, associated topics, gossip pieces. In this mess I'm not seeing many independent reliable sources that provide any depth of coverage.
The only exceptions are minor puff pieces about her marrying someone she'd never met. They are not in anyway about her music or promotional career. Given that the Misplaced Pages article in question is unrelated to what these sources are about they do not support the existance of this promo encyclopedia entry. If you think that coverage is sufficient to support a bio on a living person then that bio would be about that wedding so one would need to start from scratch.
Take away the claim of a gold record, the charting and I can't see anything left that satisfies WP:BAND.
Much like the previous article at Sabrina (American singer) (afd) this is a puff piece from someone dedicate to promoting Jonathan Hay related subjects that relies on association with others. duffbeerforme (talk) 11:57, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete the reference given for the claim of having gone gold in the UK comes up as a 404 for me. But even more importantly than that, given the other contributions it's pretty clear someone with a conflict of interest is attempting to use Misplaced Pages to advertise. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 14:33, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Kentucky-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:42, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:42, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
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Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fashion-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:46, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep as this artist is very notable with the many sources to back it up. The reference for the gold in the UK was applied incorrectly by me. It should have been used for UK as in "University of Kentucky". That's something that can easily be removed, doesn't warrant a page deletetion because of that. Once again, this is the same user who has put up these pages for deletion on all my pages. Causeandedit (talk) 18:40, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete Regardless of the creator's obvious COI and intent, all articles should be considered on their own merits. Instead of relying on the puffery, the attempts at notability by association and alleged "controversies" with other artists, or tsunami of non-reliable and self-referential sources already in the article, I researched the subject as I would any other. There is nothing out there, as far as I can tell, that could be construed as granting notability. I see a lot of self-generated content, social media stuff and minor coverage. And the subject fails WP:MUSICBIO with the possible exception of #10, however that states clearly that ...if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that article and we'd have to assume that those compilations are themselves notable, which doesn't seem to be the case. §FreeRangeFrog 19:52, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete and Salt, given that this is the 2nd time this spam masquerading as an article has popped up. Fails WP:MUSICBIO. There's minor coverage at best. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that she's Jonathan Hay's wife. Clearly there is a pattern here. --GentlemanGhost (talk) 04:19, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
  • yes there is a pattern here and nothing's wrong with it. She's part of Hoopla Worldwide, a singer with Nappy Roots, etc. So what? I created four pages on things that I actually have knowledge in. WHAT'S YOUR POINT? Causeandedit (talk) 04:37, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
It's all about the reliable sources. Or, in this case, the lack thereof. --GentlemanGhost (talk) 04:48, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
So let me guess Fox News, Radar Online, MTV, SOHH, AllHipHop.com and Hiphopdx aren't reliable sources??? I'd say those are VERY reliable. Causeandedit (talk) 05:13, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
Apparently, Fox News has never heard of her. Not exactly a sterling example. Particularly, since it's just a repost from sodahead.com. --GentlemanGhost (talk) 05:24, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
But Fox News reported about her though right??? It's a great example. Fox News at one time never heard of President Obama. That's not a sterling example of you to say such a thing when you just read about her on Fox News. Or do you come into the world as notable? In no way can you deny Fox News, Radar Online, MTV, SOHH, AllHipHop.com Hiphopdx and DJ Booth. You are just wanting to have a pissing contest.
And as far as her article on the South Bend Tribune that just shows she's from Indiana, so I could source that she was from Indiana correctly like you are supposed to do. I'd say the Tribune who did a story on her is pretty notable. So it the Bristol Bugle newspaper.Causeandedit (talk) 05:34, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
It's trivial coverage. You need a non-trivial example. --GentlemanGhost (talk) 05:37, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
I've listed at least seven non-trivial examples and there are many more, but i won't waste anymore time with you.Causeandedit (talk) 05:46, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
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