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The result was keep. While not strong guideline-based-arguments for keep due to the ambiguity of diplomats, there is certainly no strong consensus for delete. (non-admin closure) Mkdw 09:21, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Khalnazar Agakhanov

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Non-notable by WP:DIPLOMAT ("Diplomats who have participated in a significant way in events of particular diplomatic importance that have been written about in reliable secondary sources.")

Similar to 2 Category:Norwegian diplomat stubs articles sent to Afd yesterday, there are about 80 minimal stubs in Category:Asian diplomat stubs that may be non-notable. AFAIK Agakhanov, like most other diplomats, has never been involved in an “event of particular diplomatic importance”.

This Afd will be opposed by editors who believe that diplomats and other unelected officials have automatic notability, unlike writers, artists, scientists, politicians, sportsmen etc. What do afd participants think about this? Klein zach 03:58, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Keep. I believe that permanent ambassadors have presumptive notability, just like scientists who hold named chairs, politicians who hold national or international offices and professional athletes. Pburka (talk) 11:54, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

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Keep. I also believe that ambassadors have a presumption of notability. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:51, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
Keep This source indicates his being a minister for three different portfolios: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http://www.kommersant.ru/factbook/27736 --Mareklug 14:22, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
Keep I agree with (talk). Seems to be fairly notable and satisfies WP:BIO. Article could do with some extra input. scope_creep (talk) 21:59, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
Keep, Misplaced Pages should have articles on all permanent ambassadors for the same reason it should have articles on all national legislators, judges on national courts, etc. You can call that "inherent notability" if you like, or a presumption that GNG will always be satisfied for such individuals; I really don't care because satisfying notability guidelines (which are a good but not perfect proxy for determining what is or isn't important enough to include) should not be a concern with obviously important subjects such as this, so long as we follow the policies of V, OR, NPOV (which actually are important all the time). Or you can call it an WP:IAR invocation, because deleting articles on permanent ambassadors does not improve the encyclopedia in any way. postdlf (talk) 02:01, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
Keep on the condition that work is done to bring in more sources, resorting to a Misplaced Pages:Translation if necessary. If not, then I can see this going for a second nomination due to a single source. I checked WP:POLITICIAN and it mentions politicians and judges, but diplomats count as politicians? This is what isn't clear to me personally, though the apparent clarity with other editors is enough to vote for keep for now. MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:38, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
Our article says that a politician "is a person who is involved in influencing public policy and decision making." I think that ambassadors fit this definition, and therefore ought to be covered as politicians who have "held international, national or sub-national (statewide/provincewide) office". However I recognize that this interpretation may be controversial. Pburka (talk) 04:11, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

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The result was no consensus. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 02:21, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Anime Matsuri

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Lack of reliable sources. Existing sources are photo essays or cover the subject minimally. Esw01407 (talk) 03:33, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Delete it does claim notability in having fairly high attendence, but this claim is entirely self-sourced. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 13:14, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

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Keep as coverage in reliable third-party sources exist to push this across the verifiability and notability thresholds, including here, here, here, here, and here. - Dravecky (talk) 10:18, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
Keep per Dravecky and WP:BEFORE, reliable sources have been found solving the AfD issue. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 18:11, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

I must respectfully disagree, if you look into whats been posted already in the article and the new sources, you have about.com which is a questionable source, several Houston Press photo gallery's which only give blurbs about the conventions, an Houston Press article that talks more about the guest then the event, and finally the KHOU calendar, which reads like a press release and includes the statement "We do our best to ensure all information is accurate. However, it's a good idea to visit the website listed or contact the organization or venue to verify event details." I don't want to appear argumentative, and I'd love to see this article survive as it's a growing convention, but I'd rather not have another article like Anime Festival Wichita survive an AFD, and never have anything to update in years except for animecons.com guest lists. Esw01407 (talk) 22:57, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Weak delete - This is a tough one, given that I had been aware of this con's existence for quite some time. The most promising coverage would be the Houston Press coverage; unfortunately, it's all short blurbs and thus not significant coverage. I believe that About.com is reliable under certain conditions, but its page is merely a profile. And KHOU is a press release; not independent coverage. If there was any reliable, significant and independent coverage on a site like Anime News Network, then I would have surely !voted keep, but alas ANN only has press releases. Narutolovehinata5 16:38, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

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Weak Keep It received coverage by Houston Press and Crunchyroll, as well as having notable attendees listed in the article.--Razionale (talk) 13:27, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Just one more clarification, since I talked about the Houston Press coverage earlier. How reliable is Crunchyroll as a reliable source? It's not at WP:ANIME's list of sources. I'll have a look. Narutolovehinata5 17:21, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Checking the Crunchyroll stuff, I can confirm that they aren't really significant coverage. They only show a video of the event made by another website. And the Houston Press coverage, specifically the article, is mainly about the guests. The photo gallery doesn't count as significant coverage. Apparently AnimeCons.com is reliable, but it can't be used to establish notability (otherwise we'd have an article for every single anime convention in North America). Narutolovehinata5 17:24, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

It is part of the nature of the subject that normal sources don't much care. For example, the 69th World Science Fiction Convention is clearly notable by normal sources but has in reality only fewer than 2500 likes on Facebook . Anime Matsuri has about 7 times as many likes . I know, popularity isn't notability and all that. However, I think it would be a shame to delete the article. I hope it can be merged into a broader article somehow as an alternative to deletion. Do you know into which one it could be merged?--Razionale (talk) 18:10, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

List of anime conventions? Narutolovehinata5 18:25, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Keep It's a major anime convention. It deserves an article as much as Sakura-Con and Anime Expo do.WIERDGREENMAN, Thane of Cawdor THE CAKE IS A LIE (talk) 19:22, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
- See WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 15:05, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

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(sigh) Weak keep as creator; the sourcing is admittedly borderline for notability, but even the minor and photo-essay coverage in third-party sources is (just about) sufficient to base a minimal article on. Sandstein 16:40, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

The result was delete. MBisanz 00:21, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Daydreamin' (Ariana Grande album)

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Per WP:CRYSTAL. The artist herself says the album won't be completed until August or September of this year. — Statυs (talk, contribs) 03:11, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Delete: There are unused reliable sources out there, although fans editing the article make it completely hard to give it any sort of decency. Also considering she is still working on the album and hasn't even released many details about it, it's purely unneeded on Misplaced Pages right now. Ar re 03:29, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

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The result was no consensus. with no prejudice against speedy renomination (non-admin closure) czar · · 02:09, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Lelio Marino

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Non-notable businessperson Orange Mike | Talk 01:32, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Keep A Google News Archive search shows extensive and significant coverage over many years.Though much is in the Boston Globe and the Boston Herald, the depth and persistence of the coverage, and the range of his business activities, convinces me of his notability. Cullen Let's discuss it 05:27, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

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The result was speedy delete. Article already speedy deleted as G4 hoax. Closing discussion as moot. Schmidt, 00:34, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Righteous Cowards

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I cannot find significant discussion of this film in reliable sources per WP:GNG and WP:NFILM. ... discospinster _talk 01:21, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Doesn't matter. There's no proof no Atlantis but...It could exist. — Preceding unsigned comment added byBuckster69 (talk • contribs) 07:12, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

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Delete for failing applicable notability criteria. To Buckster69, whether this made-for-$49 short film exists or not is not the major concern. Rather, the fact that it has not been the recipient of commentary or analysis in independent reliable sources. This one is spoken of no place except unreliable sources... and THAT's the concern. Please review WP:NF, WP:RS and WP:V to understand our concerns and requirements. Schmidt, 05:27, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
Delete per Schmidt. Exactly what I was going to post in my rationale. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 05:52, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
Speedy delete. Likely hoax... Even if this film DOES exist, Misplaced Pages is not for things made up one day. ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 13:13, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
Delete May exist - I can't find evidence either way. Likely to be a case of 'wannabe' - the film maker is supposedly 15 and appears to be the author of both the article about the film and himself (speedied). Definitely non-notable. Peridon (talk) 14:07, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

The result was Speedy Delete (WP:G11) by user:Jimfbleak (non-admin closure). Whpq (talk) 19:02, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Klay Buckingham

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I cannot find significant discussion of this individual in reliable sources per WP:GNG and WP:BIO. Google search brings up only social media and directories. Contested prod. ... discospinster _talk 01:20, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

I do not see the problem with this. Social Media is a very important thing in the 21st century. It's how he makes a lot of his money. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Buckster69 (talk • contribs) 06:01, 15 April 2013‎ (UTC)

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Delete. The thing is, there are multiple, multiple issues with this article. First off is that the article is written to promote Buckingham and is full of unsourced information. Even if you are Buckingham himself (which I'm inclined to believe), we need coverage in sources that are independent of yourself. By this I mean sources in things such as news reports and the like. (WP:RS) Social media sites are not usable as reliable sources, especially those that are edited by a primary source. At the most they can be used as a WP:PRIMARY or WP:TRIVIAL source, but that's pushing it and they will never show notability. You do seem to exist, but existing is not notability. (WP:ITEXISTS) As it stands, this could probably be speedied as promotion/spam. I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but it really does come across as you coming on here to promote yourself, which is never well received. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 05:57, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Also, if you are Buckingham it is better to state as much up front. It's not against the rules to edit your own information (as long as it passes notability guidelines) but it is heavily, heavily frowned upon when people do not divulge that they have a conflict of interest. The reason I suspect you are Buckingham is because not only are the names very similar, but given that Buckingham appears to be a relative unknown in the acting world (very little chatter about him that wasn't started by himself), it's unlikely that you're someone separate that just happened to use a similar name. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 06:01, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

The result was delete. MBisanz 00:21, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Jeffrey Carl

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Non-notable journalist/writer. Fails WP:GNG and WP:AUTHOR. GrapedApe (talk) 01:09, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

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Delete for failing WP:AUTHOR and WP:BK and WP:GNG. Qworty (talk) 06:39, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

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The result was speedy deleted by Jimfbleak as a duplicate--Ymblanter (talk) 07:38, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Differences in usmc training

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Non-notable school essay with no significant coverage. TB randley 00:36, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Support: per nom. Grammarxxx 00:46, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
Delete as per nom. I saw this go by a bit ago, and wasn't quite sure what to do with it. —Ignatzmice _contribs 02:26, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
Delete and I will see if I can A10 this. Safiel (talk) 02:27, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
Delete as a personal essay. JIP | Talk 04:06, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

The result was keep. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:42, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

America's Got Talent (season 8)

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No cited verification (future event). Musdan77 (talk) 22:25, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

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Redirect to the show's general article, until such time as the first episode actually airs. Jclemens (talk) 00:37, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Redirect. A little too early. I created the page as a redirect months ago, to the season's section on the main page for the show. - TexasAndroid (talk) 13:01, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Redirect, agree with TexasAndroid. A bit too early to have his own page. — Joaquin008 13:44, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Keep Pointless to redirect just to recreate it next month. Gage (talk) 10:39, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

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Keep The show premiers in June 2013. The show has a huge number of sources that verify it's airing. WP:FUTURE is not for events that are verified by reliable sources. The argument to redirect regarding WP:TOOSOON seems largely flawed because much of the lead up is verified and has received widespread coverage. Mkdw 00:44, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
Keep We have the judging panel and audition cities, thus hitting the minimum involved with a season article like this. Keep at this point as the actual premiere is a month away. Nate • (chatter) 02:54, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
Keep Will (verifiably) happen soon, coverage is already extensive. DavidLeighEllis (talk) 03:43, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
Keep via Mkdw . srsrox 20:53, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

The result was redirect to Son of Angels. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:42, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Spirit Fighter

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As with Fire Prophet; no sources at all this time, author Jerel Law doesn't have a bio, no reviews AFAICT. Barney the barney barney (talk) 20:58, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

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Redirect to Son of Angels. There's just enough to where I would justify a weak keep for the series, so this would be a reasonable enough redirect to that article for now. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 04:45, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

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The result was redirect to UCSC Student Associations. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:42, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

JECatt

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:ORG. There is no indication of importance or notability on the article. The last AFD was a procedural close. Inks.LWC (talk) 18:00, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

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Redirect to UCSC Student Associations, that lists it among the Milan Campus associations. Not notable enough to have its own article. Cavarrone (talk) 18:10, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

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The result was no consensus. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:41, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Son of Angels

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As per the articles on the books, Spirit Fighter and Fire Prophet. Doesn't meet WP:NBOOK, author doesn't have an article. I can't find any reliable reviews Barney the barney barney (talk) 21:07, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

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Weak keep. I won't argue too hard if this is deleted, but I did manage to find a small smattering of coverage that could justify an article on the series as a whole. There are three reviews for the books via Publishers Weekly and Kirkus Reviews. While these are trade reviews, there has been no consensus as of yet when it comes to whether or not they should be discounted for that. Until then, they technically "count" as far as I know, although I'll admit that I'm sort of undecided as far as that goes. I did find two newspaper articles, one of which I couldn't really pull up but did show up in a few of my news searches. Maybe someone with a HighBeam account can find the full length article and quote it somewhere? I'll see what else I can find, but Christian fiction books almost never get as much coverage as their mainstream counterparts unless they're a very high profile author. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 04:38, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

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Keep, per Tokyogirl79. DavidLeighEllis (talk) 03:39, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

The result was keep. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:41, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Oliver McGee

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This subject seems not to be the subject of in-depth coverage by reliable sources (WP:BASIC). He's also very, very far from meeting WP:ACADEMIC. The best coverage I found was an interview of McGee about McGee on a website for "untold personal stories of both well-known and unsung" persons, which enters the realm of WP:BLPSPS (self-serving claims by the interviewee), and human interest coverage. Generally, the more reliable coverage mentions McGee in passing, and the actual topic of coverage is often what McGee is talking about, as opposed to McGee himself. JFHJr (㊟) 21:57, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

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Keep His profile is a bit eclectic, but he does have a decent academic career, serving as chairman of Civil Engineering at Ohio State, before he transitioned into administrative/political activities. To quote from the awards section of his own bio at his webpage: "the Council for Advancement and Support of Education (CASE) & the Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching's 1995 State of Georgia Professor of the Year, U.S. Black Engineer Magazine's 1996 Black Engineer of the Year Award, Education College-Level, and Science Spectrum Magazine’s “Fifty (50) Most Important Blacks in Research Science” for 2004. In 2005, McGee was named to Science Spectrum Magazine’s “Top Minorities in American Research Science” List....he is a former member of the National Science Foundation Advisory Committee for Engineering (1998-2001)." We may safely assume that Science Spectrum Magazine, at least, did some study and coverage of his work, providing some coverage under WP:BIO, and then the NSF advisory committees are quite influential, giving grounds on WP:PROF C7, even quite independent of the fact that Fox News airs interviews with him. In the more colloquial sense for notability of, "is this a noteworthy individual?" I think the answer is an unambiguous yes. Ray 01:58, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

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Keep, subject has received multiple mentions in non-primary reliable sources, as well as some significant coverage in non-primary reliable sources, such as in this magazine. Therefore, the subject passes WP:GNG. The article should be checked for neutrality so it is not promotional, but AfD is not a replacement for article improvement.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 00:05, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
Keep the material cited above is sufficient to show notability by the GNG. Whether he is a notable academic is not discussed in the article, as far as I can tell he is not--there are almost no citations to his engineering publication.Neither he isnotable under WP:PROF as an academic administrator. But the GNG option in WP:PROF was designed for individuals with careers like his. DGG ( talk ) 01:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC) DGG ( talk ) 01:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

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Acropolis Cup (boxing) 2004

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No indication of notability and lacks significant coverage in independent sources. There weren't even enough competitors to award all the medals.Mdtemp (talk) 18:02, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

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Delete Subject does not appear to meet WP:SPORTSEVENT or have the significant independent coverage required to meet WP:GNG. The fact that the preceding event (Acropolis Cup (boxing) 2002) was deleted at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Acropolis Cup (boxing) 2002 is another indication the Acropolis Cup boxing events are not considered notable. Papaursa (talk) 18:26, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

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Delete - Fails WP:SPORTSEVENT and WP:GNG, what very limited coverage there is all seems to fall under WP:ROUTINE. CaSJer (talk) 12:45, 15 April 2013 (UTC)