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May 2013

We don't need to have an edit war. We can discuss changes before making them in such a wholesale manner as you did on May 12, 2013.Iss246 (talk) 03:43, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

You asked me to discuss the edits with you in your comment on May 13, 2013. I am writing here to discuss edits with you.Iss246 (talk) 13:17, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Let's talk here, and not have an edit war. I am at the Work, Stress, and Health conference in L.A. right now. I am writing to you from my hotel room. I have been talking to some OHP specialists who happen to have come from I/O (other OHP people come from other disciplines) in order to get your perspective. What they have told me is that I/O psychologists have been largely interested in topics such as selection, job analysis, performance appraisal, motivation, compensation, etc. Worker health did not hold that much of a priority. You can look at old SIOP conference programs. That people in I/O have more recently become interested in worker health is the result of the growth of OHP.

I appreciate it that you may be a student studying I/O and that you are committed to the discipline. Maybe even one of your i/o professors does health research. That is fine. You have to appreciate that OHP has come into its own. It even covers different territory that health psychology covers.Iss246 (talk) 05:33, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

I am back from the conference. Let's use this page to talk.Iss246 (talk) 05:55, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Let's avoid an edit war. I invite you to talk about changes. We could use this page.Iss246 (talk) 15:26, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Mrm7171. It looks like you and Iss246 are having some difficulties. Do you know how to use talk pages to discuss conflicts? All you need to do on this page is to click one of the buttons towards the top of this page, and type your comment at the end. Then sign your comment by typing ~~~~ at the end of your comment. The Mediawiki software will automagically turn those four tildes into your account name and the date when you click the "Save page" button (towards the bottom, just like on article pages). Then wait for a while until Iss246 notices your explanation.

It would be very helpful if you would click the edit button and explain what changes you believe should be made to these pages, and why. People at the English Misplaced Pages are very big on WP:Reliable sources like university-level textbooks, so if you have a good book or a journal article that supports your views, then feel free to tell us what that is. Psychology-related articles tend to have a lot of room for improvement, so it would be good to hear from you about ways to improve them. Thanks, WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:21, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Psychology sidebar

Fourth, the business about OHP on the sidebar was settled about two years ago. OHP has clearly emerged. APA publishes the Journal of Occupational Health Psychology. APA collaborates with the Society for Occupational Health Psychology (SOHP); although APA publishes JOHP, SOHP members are the journal's editors and reviewers. APA, NIOSH, and SOHP collaborate in organizing a biennial international meeting in North America the focus of which is OHP. On alternate years, the European Academy of Occupational Health Psychology (EA-OHP) sponors an international meeting in Europe. Journals, meetings, and scholarly societies reflect on the field. Psychologists from many different disciplines (i/o, health, developmental, experimental) and medical professionals participate in OHP. It does not belong to one parent discipline.Iss246 (talk) 21:44, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

What you say here is irrelevant to you going ahead againsty ALL other editors with psychology training, and jamming the occ health psych entry into the psychology sidebar. You say above, ..."Fourth, the business about OHP on the sidebar was settled about two years ago." taken from Iss246

No, it was not settled iss246. That is completely false. According to the articile in the psychology sidebar and applied psych sidebar, at least 5 editors completely disagreed with you. That is, no consensus to include. As one of these editors,. stated, you just went ahead and did it anyway.Mrm7171 (talk) 02:05, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

I have not altered this page (yet) before others can be brought back in here. Covering up the facts that there was no consensus, does not change anything. You needed consensus to included OHP in the psychology sidebar. This is clearly the main issue here. It has never been resolved. You cannot just jam OHP into the psychology because you want to against all others. If there is consensus direc t me and other editors/administrators to the szections where other editors agreed with you doing it. I cannot find consensus for your actions anywhere. Genuinely please show me where. If you cannot OHP needs to be deleting UNTIL we can get consensensus. It has not been deleted. And i wont delete it uyntil others can see the facts first. Mrm7171 (talk) 02:05, 30 May 2013 (UTC)Mrm7171 (talk) 02:08, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

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Changes you made on May 23, 2013 in the OHP section

On 22:49 You wrote, "PLEASE DISCUSS WITH ME CHANGES BEFORE DELETING EVERYONE ELSES EDITS ISS246. YOU HAVE A HISTORY OF IT. WILL REPORT YOU TOO!" That is why I am here writing to you. I want to discuss changes. You have not stopped here to discuss the changes. We should discuss the changes. I have been writing to you for 10 days now, since May 13. Iss246 (talk) 23:38, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Occupational Health Psychology

Thank you for inviting editors to talk on your talk page. This is a good way to work.

At 10:58, May 26, 2013, you changed the following sentence: "Occupational health psychology is concerned with psychosocial characteristics of the workplace," to read as "Occupational health psychology is concerned with psychosocial characteristics of the workplace, as is the broader field of I/O psychology."

I don't think the change is necessary. Here are my reasons:

1. The opening sentence of the paragraph already indicates that OHP was born out of the confluence of i/o Ψ, health Ψ, and occupational health. The debt to i/o has already been acknowledged. Here is the opening sentence: The opening sentence of the paragraph reads as follows: "Occupational health psychology' (OHP) emerged out of two distinct applied disciplines within psychology, health psychology and industrial and organizational (I/O) psychology, as well as occupational health

1. Everly, G. S., Jr. (1986). An introduction to occupational health psychology."

2. Your addition makes it seem as if OHP is a narrow subfield of i/o Ψ when it is not. Health Ψ was born out of clinical Ψ, but health Ψ is not a subfield of clinical Ψ. I/o Ψ was born out of social Ψ and psychometrics; however i/o Ψ is not a subfield of social Ψ and psychometrics.

3. I/O Ψ has been dominated by concerns, and rightly so, with such topics as job analyses, personnel recruitment, organizational culture, and so on. I/O-related research on health has been far less common. On reason why i/o psychologists have jumped over to OHP (along with experimental psychologists, health psychologists, and occupational physicians and nurses) is that they are concerned with work and health.

4. I/o Ψ is not broader. It is different. OHP is concerned with blood pressure, cardiovascular disease, the impact of unemployment on health, work-home-stress carryover. It is different. It's not broader or narrower. It's different. That is all. Social Ψ is different from i/o Ψ although i/o has roots in social Ψ.

I know you made a second change while I was writing this, I am going to leave this comment here.

Maybe we can hear from some of the other Misplaced Pages editors who have posted on your page.Iss246 (talk) 19:14, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Mrm7171, at 12:20, May 26, 2013, you wrote: "We do need to talk iss246, about this entry and indeed OHP being a separate field within applied psych. Let me know before either changes anything. thanks "

I have written to you above. I will transpose what I wrote above, to the spot below. Please reply.Iss246 (talk) 22:18, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

I don't think the change is necessary. Here are my reasons:

1. The opening sentence of the paragraph already indicates that OHP was born out of the confluence of i/o Ψ, health Ψ, and occupational health. The debt to i/o has already been acknowledged. Here is the opening sentence: The opening sentence of the paragraph reads as follows: "Occupational health psychology' (OHP) emerged out of two distinct applied disciplines within psychology, health psychology and industrial and organizational (I/O) psychology, as well as occupational health

1. Everly, G. S., Jr. (1986). An introduction to occupational health psychology."

2. Your addition makes it seem as if OHP is a narrow subfield of i/o Ψ when it is not. Health Ψ was born out of clinical Ψ, but health Ψ is not a subfield of clinical Ψ. I/o Ψ was born out of social Ψ and psychometrics; however i/o Ψ is not a subfield of social Ψ and psychometrics.

3. I/O Ψ has been dominated by concerns, and rightly so, with such topics as job analyses, personnel recruitment, organizational culture, and so on. I/O-related research on health has been far less common. On reason why i/o psychologists have jumped over to OHP (along with experimental psychologists, health psychologists, and occupational physicians and nurses) is that they are concerned with work and health.

4. I/o Ψ is not broader. It is different. OHP is concerned with blood pressure, cardiovascular disease, the impact of unemployment on health, work-home-stress carryover. It is different. It's not broader or narrower. It's different. That is all. Social Ψ is different from i/o Ψ although i/o has roots in social Ψ.Iss246 (talk) 22:18, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Iss246

I/O was first established in the 1880s. It was not born out of social psych. I/O subsumes any study of any topic relating to work and psychology. Thus the name work psychology. It is very broad. I/O psych has always studied work stress. In fact, modern theories of stress have evolved from I/O psych.

I/O is moving toward OHS and work safety, that is true. I don't see the point. Are you trying to say OHP invented work stress? Which areas of OHP do you see as being distinct from the broad 1880s field of work psychology? I/O psychs, have been studying every aspect you have mentioned above for decades. I can prove it to you. The researchers would have defined themselves as work psychologists in one form or another.look forward to your points. I do not accept your logic so far. Nor do i accept that our profession or the field of psychology would benefit from substantial duplication.

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Mrm7171, this is great that we can have this discussion.

I never said OHP invented work stress. Please don't put words in my mouth. Stanislav Kasl wrote an important article (actually a book chapter) on stress and work in 1978, before occupational health psychology was a term.. There is a journal named Work & Stress that was founded before the name occupational health psychology had any currency. It was Kasl in the 1978 paper cited above who pointed out that the term "stress" is problematic because it can mean at least three different things, the environment, the individual's reaction to the environment, or the circuit of environment and the individual's reaction to it. We use the term stress more because it is evocative rather than a precise term.

You date i/o psychology to the 1880s. That is a little too early. Some thinkers believe i/o psychology began in 1901 with Walter Dill Scott's work on improving the effectiveness of advertising. Others suggest that Hugo Munsterberg fathered the field with his 1913 book on psychological efficiency in the work place. Munsterberg is part of the Taylorist tradition, which flies in the face of OHP. Ironically, you can say, i/o psychology always studied work stress because Munsterberg's efforts, like Taylor's, caused so much stress in workers--I am using the term stress evocatively here.

Social psychology comes into the picture because i/o psychology is very much concerned with social influence in the workplace. For example, research on leadership owes a debt to social psychology. Leadership is one of the bread-and-butter areas of research in i/o psychology. You can also see the influence of social psychology as the human relations movement took hold in some corners of i/o psychology. The journal Human Relations was founded by social psychologists and psychoanalytically oriented psychologists at the Tavistock Institute in the late 1940s. Of course, i/o psychology owes a great deal--an enormous amount--to psychometric psychology: selection tests, performance appraisal, etc.

Bear in mind that i/o psychology is an applied discipline. Like engineering. The basic science comes from somewhere else. Physics and chemistry provide a foundation for engineering. Social psychology and psychometric psychology provide a foundation for i/o psychology. This is not an insult to i/o psychology. That is what an applied discipline is. It applies principles from basic science. OHP is also an applied discipline. Its foundation is built on i/o psychology, health psychology, occupational health, and, I dare say, with its burgeoning interest in the influence of psychosocial working conditions on cardiovascular disease (CVD), internal medicine. I add at the recent Work, Stress, and Health conference in Los Angeles there were several papers that concerned the relation of psychosocial working conditions to CVD.

I wondered if you are a college student, which I think is great. I'm a college professor who writes and lectures on OHP, a topic I love. I did not come out of i/o psychology although I have OHP colleagues who have a background in i/o. I come out of developmental psychology and epidemiology. I think it is great that you have so much passion for i/o psychology. I had a hypothesis that you became very interested in i/o psychology, and plan to have a career in it, for which I wish great success.

Please don't get upset if I tweak the opening of the OHP Misplaced Pages entry. Iss246 (talk) 01:53, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks iss246...firstly please don't change or undo any edits as the OHP entry currently stands, until we can resolve this situation, and come to a mutual agreement. You are much more experienced with wikipedia. I don't want to be involved in an 'edit war,' now I understand a little more about wikipedia. Please don't be upset about this request to simply discuss things with me, before you go ahead and start undoing my edits again please. thankyou. will respond more fully when I can.

Also, I am not a student. Have many years experience with what I'm talking about and the profession. Importantly please iss246, you have not responded to my point about not creating "duplication within psychology." This is particularly important as it relates to the entry of OHP as a distinct field of applied psychology and currently listed in the sidebar. If you don't engage in a discussiuon relating to the psychology sidebar i am going to edit it accordingly based on Misplaced Pages best practice and trustr you won't just again delete or 'undo' my entry, given you have not wanted to engage in discussion here. My underrstanding is that would be disruiptive and I want nothing of an edit war please ISS246, I'm sorry.

Please don't get upset over this but I am slowly learning the rules that a very long term user like yopurself already knew and perhaps takes advantage of? Discuss with me here instead, like you professed please ISS246, rather than deleting my entry i am going to make with the applied psychology sidebasr which corrently includes OHP. This is very contentious, and does nothing good for the science or application of psychology as it is not. I can prove this as far as an overall acceptance and standard within the psychology profession. That is, not 're-inventing the wheel' so to speak.

Work Psychology, is in fact, 'anything' involving work and human behaviour (psychology) as I'm sure you would agree ISS246 being a psychology professor. As such I/O or Work psychology is the overarching, major discipline within psychology, which deals with anything involving work and psychology. This is an accepted fact. Please don't pigeon hole this broad field of applied and psychology by inserting only recruitment, job deign etc..its simply not a valid argument and appears to come from a limited knowledge of the profession and professional and research based work psychology. Please ISS246 instead offer any evidence, empirical or otherwise, to refute this statement above, first of all. Then we can move through this logically. As I am concerned your obvious passion for OHP is somewhat blurring the objective facts here... with all due respect and as sometimes happens.

Categories

Mrm7171, I appreciate your placing these words on my page, Categories:Added new comments. I thank you, but there is no such category. In Misplaced Pages, the term category has a specific meaning in the context of the regular entries, that is regular entries that bear on some over-arching category. The psychology entry lists three categories on bottom of the page, psychology, neuroscience, and behavioural science. Go to category:psychology, and you will see many subcategories and links to psychology-related entries.Iss246 (talk) 04:00, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Another thing you may want to consider is your User page. This is your user talk page. You also have a user page, which I noticed is blank. Editorial questions get hashed out here. The user page is a little different. On your user page, you can write about yourself, your interests. What you bring to Misplaced Pages.Iss246 (talk) 04:07, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

okay thanks...still learning...just want to comply with wikipedia's rules...anyway have left detailed comments for you iss246. We need to work through this logically with our heads and the objective facts. how things are in psychology not how we would like them to be. As I said, please don't make changes until we have fully discussed all of these matters. That's the main thing, and that we dont come close to edit warring. Hope this sounds fair.

Edit warring

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Hi DVdm. Please understand that despite my earlier inexperience, I am learning the protocol of Misplaced Pages community better now. Please refer to my posts on my talk page from earlier today. However despite my efforts, I have had no discussion with iss246. He refuses to discuss my legitimate issues with the entry on OHP on my talk page. I have evidence of this. We may need to get arbitration here as I am afraid ISS246 is going behind my back and accusing me of acting in bad faith etc etc rather than trying to discuss these issues with me which you can see I am open to.

From above...Thanks iss246...firstly please don't change or undo any edits as the OHP entry currently stands, until we can resolve this situation, and come to a mutual agreement. You are much more experienced with wikipedia. I don't want to be involved in an 'edit war,' now I understand a little more about wikipedia. Please don't be upset about this request to simply discuss things with me, before you go ahead and start undoing my edits again please. thankyou. will respond more fully when I can.

Also, I am not a student. Have many years experience with what I'm talking about and the profession. Importantly please iss246, you have not responded to my point about not creating "duplication within psychology." This is particularly important as it relates to the entry of OHP as a distinct field of applied psychology and currently listed in the sidebar. If you don't engage in a discussiuon relating to the psychology sidebar i am going to edit it accordingly based on Misplaced Pages best practice and trustr you won't just again delete or 'undo' my entry, given you have not wanted to engage in discussion here. My underrstanding is that would be disruiptive and I want nothing of an edit war please ISS246, I'm sorry.

Please don't get upset over this but I am slowly learning the rules that a very long term user like yopurself already knew and perhaps takes advantage of? Discuss with me here instead, like you professed please ISS246, rather than deleting my entry i am going to make with the applied psychology sidebasr which corrently includes OHP. This is very contentious, and does nothing good for the science or application of psychology as it is not. I can prove this as far as an overall acceptance and standard within the psychology profession. That is, not 're-inventing the wheel' so to speak.

Importantly please iss246, you have not responded to my point about not creating "duplication within psychology." Work Psychology, is in fact, 'anything' involving work and human behaviour (psychology) as I'm sure you would agree ISS246 being a psychology professor. As such I/O or Work psychology is the overarching, major discipline within psychology, which deals with anything involving work and psychology. This is an accepted fact. Please don't pigeon hole this broad field of applied and psychology by inserting only recruitment, job deign etc..its simply not a valid argument and appears to come from a limited knowledge of the profession and professional and research based work psychology. Please ISS246 instead offer any evidence, empirical or otherwise, to refute this statement above, first of all. Then we can move through this logically. As I am concerned your obvious passion for OHP is somewhat blurring the objective facts here... with all due respect and as sometimes happens.

Mrm7171, I engaged in a discussion on this page. You ignored the discussion. You keep contending that OHP is a subfield of i/o psychology. The evidence is that OHP emerged in as its own field, with dedicated organizations and journals. Nobody says i/o psychologists are uninterested in health. But they are mainly interested in other topics (selection, job analysis, performance appraisal, motivation, compensation, etc). Moreover, OHP owes a debt to health psychology and medicine. All this is acknowledged in the first sentence of the OHP entry and in my discussion here with you. The evidence is in the journals, organizations, subject matter.Iss246 (talk) 11:35, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

• • • • It is very clear based on over 4 years of editors strongly disagreeing with you adding Occupational health psychology to the applied psych sidebar. This indicates clear consensus against the occ health psychology entry. mrm7171 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrm7171 (talk • contribs) 14:15, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Can you tell the community why you have blatantly gone against all previous editors including now myself, and included the occ health psychg in the applied psych sidebar? That is, you have clearly gone asgainst everyone else, the consensus. Why then should occ health be included. It needs to be deleted. Who agrees with your entry? There is no consensus over 4 years. See the talk on the psychology sidebar page. Why should the entry not be deleted under consensus. I can gather all of those who have opposed your viewpoint. That is objective gathering of all other editors viewpoints. You blatantly went against the 'consensus' ISS246? Please explain. Mrm7171 (talk) 14:24, 28 May 2013 (UTC)Mrm7171 (talk) 01:51, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

THis needs to be addressed by an independent person in Misplaced Pages. We cannot have someone so blatantly opposing all others editors views over such a long period of time!Mrm7171 (talk) 14:26, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

30/05/13 Importantly please iss246, you have not responded to my point about not creating "duplication within psychology." Work Psychology, is in fact, 'anything' involving work and human behaviour (psychology) as I'm sure you would agree ISS246 being a psychology professor.

As such I/O or Work psychology is the overarching, major discipline within psychology, which deals with anything involving work and psychology.

This is an accepted fact. Please don't pigeon hole this broad field of applied and psychology by inserting only recruitment, job deign etc..its simply not a valid argument and appears to come from a limited knowledge of the profession and professional and research based work psychology. 

Please ISS246 instead of undoing my additions, please discuss first..... offer any evidence, empirical or otherwise, to refute this statement above, first of all. Then we can move through this logically.Mrm7171 (talk) 01:51, 30 May 2013 (UTC) Why do you think psychology sidebar should have OHP entry? when all other editors agree with me. There is Consensus it should not be in there. You have been arguing with them for 4 years. They all believed OHPO should not be in the sidebar.

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Response to change Mrm7171 made on the OHP entry on 01:42 30 May 2013 plus other comments

I/o psychology was acknowledged in the very first sentence of the entry. I point out that there are epidemiologists and sociologists who study psychosocial characteristics of the workplace. Robert Karasek, who advanced an important theory that took hold in OHP, is a sociologist. He attended the OHP meeting in Los Angeles and received an award from the sponsoring organizations. I think it is misplaced to add the sentence you added: Similarly the broad field of I/O or work psychology, also covers all psychosocial characteristics of the workplace.

The upshot would be that you would have to write in i/o psychology that OHP, sociology, and epidemiology also cover psychosocial characteristics of the workplace.

This jawboning for i/o psychology gets unwieldy.

I would like to delete your addition for the above reason. I am going to wait a little bit.Iss246 (talk) 02:32, 30 May 2013 (UTC) Don't delete anything please. No consenbsus on these points from me. Mrm7171 (talk) 02:44, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Lets agree to disagree on the subfield issue for a while.

• • I am MUCH more concerned about youi jamming in occ health psych into the psychology sidebar, clearly against all other editors (i refer to the talk page for psychology and the psychology sidebar) Please post your answeer to that. You have avoided what you did against the consensus of others for 3 days of me patiently asking you to respond>Mrm7171 (talk) 02:44, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is not about people going against the consensus? Show me please, with all due respect, where others agreed you shoul include occ health psych into to the psychology sidebar?Mrm7171 (talk) 02:44, 30 May 2013 (UTC) Please ISS246 instead of undoing my additions, please discuss first..... offer any evidence, empirical or otherwise, to refute this statement above, first of all. Then we can move through this logically.Mrm7171 (talk) 01:54, 30 May 2013 (UTC) Why do you think psychology sidebar should have OHP entry? when all other editors agree with me. There is Consensus it should not be in there. You have been arguing with them for 4 years. They all believed OHP should not be in the sidebar.

Hi Iss246. Can you answer to this important issue only please? Any other issues aside please, while we look at facts and the facts on the WQikipideia project rules and guiding principles please.

I am patiently asking why you won't respond to this issue and what you did and the actions you took violating Wikipidea consensus.

I am asking you again please, why the Wikipideia project and community should not delete the entry you have 'jammed in' for want of a better word, to the Psychology Sidebar and entry and the sidebar and entry under Applied Psychology?

It is very clear that all other editors for a long time, clearly objected to you plaing ocuupational health psychology on this page under applied psychology?

Anyone in the[REDACTED] community, is encouraged please, to view the history over 4 years between you and other editors disagreeing, sometimes very strongly on the psychology talk page over this exact matter of placing ohp into the sidebar against the wishes of everyone else. You just went ahead and added it in anyway.

Then when it was deleted by other editors, (rightly so, if against all of their wishes), you undid the deletion and so it goes on....and seems to have gone on for years and years, this pattern.

This critical issue of deciding on the deletion of occupational health psychology from the psychology sidebar, should be decided by an independent process here not a single editor. Clearly. That is the only fair way and consistent with Misplaced Pages principles.

Please understand that I do not wish to personally engage in edit war with you. Please stop also your personal attacks toward me and focus on the deletion of the occupational health psychology entry and the long and checkered history it has so far. All I can ask is that you stop undoing my edits and participate here please. That's up to you obviously. This is not a private website but instead is a community project and has no room for personal agendas, Thank you. Mrm7171 (talk) 04:09, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Mrm7171,

I'm glad that you're figuring out Misplaced Pages a bit more. It really is complicated—perhaps even overly complicated.

I don't know much about this issue at all, but I do know something about Misplaced Pages: we care more about what published, reliable sources say than about what individuals like you and me believe to be true. So rather than just saying "IO is not social psychology" (or whatever), the path to successful resolution is usually to find and list some recent, reliable sources that say this. Then its not just Editor #1 saying "No, it isn't!" and Editor #2 saying "Yes, it is!" The more gold-plated the source, the better. Good luck, WhatamIdoing (talk) 07:13, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

This is your last and only warning. You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you vandalize a page, as you did with this edit to Occupational health psychology. DVdm (talk) 09:20, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi DVDm. Are you an administrator? What power apart from an editor, like me, do you have may i ask? Did you receive my warning regarding your undoing of my genuine, good faith changes and you clearly engaing in an edit war, by deleting, blanking vanalising my new entries? Hoping you might reply. Up to you, if you have any thing to add? Mrm7171 (talk) 09:27, 30 May 2013 (UTC), Also I'm still learning. But if you n otice i amn not undoing, and have not been undoing anything. Please ask me for my permission or discuss before deleting my good faith additions. Mrm7171 (talk) 09:33, 30 May 2013 (UTC) Take this as your final warning before I put a formal complaint in. Thanks. Talk constructively with me, showing me some respect though if you would like. Mrm7171 (talk) 09:33, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

1. Kasl, S. V. (1978). Epidemiological contributions to the study of work stress. In C. L. Cooper & R. L. Payne (Eds.), Stress at work (pp. 3-38). Chichester, UK: Wiley.

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