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We shouldn't be linking to navboxes within other navboxes Rob Sinden (talk) 13:04, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- Actually, it seems common for awards templates to have these. However, I'm still of the opinion that these are not appropriate for navboxes, as they provide little in the way of usefulness, and do not provide links between articles. --Rob Sinden (talk) 13:09, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- If it is a common practice to include this kind of templates, why do you consider it a problem? I personally have no problem with these templates. Regge_robban2 (talk) 13:21, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- Because we should not be including links to other navboxes within navboxes. Per WP:NAVBOX every article included as a link in the navbox should also transclude that navbox, so that the navigation is bidirectional. You can't transclude a navbox in a navbox - it isn't how they work. They are for linking articles. --Rob Sinden (talk) 13:26, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- So you are suggesting that all footer templates should be deleted, and not just this one? I see no other users complaining about this. Regge_robban2 (talk) 13:39, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- Yes - I've just added all the ones I can find, and put a note regarding the discussion on the templates wikiproject talkpage. --Rob Sinden (talk) 13:47, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- if you want to find most of them, check here. Frietjes (talk) 15:03, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- Yes - I've just added all the ones I can find, and put a note regarding the discussion on the templates wikiproject talkpage. --Rob Sinden (talk) 13:47, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- So you are suggesting that all footer templates should be deleted, and not just this one? I see no other users complaining about this. Regge_robban2 (talk) 13:39, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- Because we should not be including links to other navboxes within navboxes. Per WP:NAVBOX every article included as a link in the navbox should also transclude that navbox, so that the navigation is bidirectional. You can't transclude a navbox in a navbox - it isn't how they work. They are for linking articles. --Rob Sinden (talk) 13:26, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- If it is a common practice to include this kind of templates, why do you consider it a problem? I personally have no problem with these templates. Regge_robban2 (talk) 13:21, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- Actually, it seems common for awards templates to have these. However, I'm still of the opinion that these are not appropriate for navboxes, as they provide little in the way of usefulness, and do not provide links between articles. --Rob Sinden (talk) 13:09, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
Template:Pseudo-Gnostic apocrypha
Google search for "Pseudo-Gnostic apocrypha" reveals no hits outside of Misplaced Pages - it appears this is a term a Misplaced Pages editor has invented, rather than a classification used to describe these works in the scholarly literature. These works appear to have not much in common other than all having claimed authorship which is not accepted by current scholarship, and hence the Pseudo-X naming format. Several of them don't appear to be Gnostic. It's also questionable if they are "apocrypha", since that term is generally reserved for texts from the Biblical period, or which some have accepted as part of the Bible. Many of these texts are much later than the Biblical period, and for several of them it is doubtful that anyone has ever accepted or proposed them as scripture. SJK (talk) 10:28, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- I was going to notify the creator of the template, Paul Bedson, per the usual courtesy. I discovered however, that he has been banned for disruptive editing (Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Paul Bedson) and abusive sockpuppetry (Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Paul Bedson), so I decided it was likely pointless to do so. This has no direct bearing, of course, on the question of whether a template he created ought to be deleted. SJK (talk) 10:40, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- Delete: Just more fringe garbage created by Bedson that needs to be cleaned up. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 11:21, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- delete Frietjes (talk) 15:03, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
Template:Pandora Radio
- Template:Pandora Radio (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Navbox with only one link. ViperSnake151 Talk 02:01, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- delete, it doesn't appear Pandora owns more than one station. of course, there may be more in the future, but recreating the box would be trivial. Frietjes (talk) 15:06, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
Template:Argentina squad 2003 South American Youth Championship
It is a youth competition squad only. It is not necessary.
Other (include regional competitions, football competitions at the continental multi-sport events):
- Template:Portugal Squad 2010 Euro U-19 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:United Arab Emirates men's football squad 2010 Asian Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Uzbekistan men's football squad 2010 Asian Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Turkmenistan men's football squad 2010 Asian Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Thailand men's football squad 2010 Asian Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Qatar men's football squad 2010 Asian Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Singapore men's football squad 2010 Asian Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Kyrgyzstan men's football squad 2010 Asian Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Kuwait men's football squad 2010 Asian Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Bahrain men's football squad 2010 Asian Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Bangladesh men's football squad 2010 Asian Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:China PR men's football squad 2010 Asian Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:India men's football squad 2010 Asian Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Pakistan men's football squad 2010 Asian Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Palestine men's football squad 2010 Asian Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Iran men's football squad 2010 Asian Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:North Korea men's football squad 2010 Asian Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Japan men's football squad 2010 Asian Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Jordan men's football squad 2010 Asian Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Japan women's football squad 2010 Asian Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:England squad 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:England squad 2011 FIFA U-20 World Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:France squad 2011 FIFA U-20 World Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Ghana Squad 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Egypt squad 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Paraguay Squad 2013 South American Youth Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Paraguay U-20 2001 South American Youth Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Paraguay U-20 squad 2003 South American Youth Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Peru Squad 1930s Golden Generation (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Peru squad 2013 South American Youth Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Poland Squad 2007 U-20 World Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Poland U-18 Squad Euro 2001 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Portugal squad 2007 FIFA U-20 World Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Portugal Squad 2011 FIFA U-20 World Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Scotland squad 2007 FIFA U-20 World Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Spain squad 2007 FIFA U-20 World Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Spain squad 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Spain squad 2011 FIFA U-20 World Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Sweden Squad 1999 Euro U-18 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:South Africa squad 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Tahiti squad 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Thailand Squad 1996 Tiger Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Thailand squad 2000 Tiger Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Thailand squad 2002 Tiger Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Thailand squad 2008 AFF Suzuki Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Thailand squad 2010 AFF Suzuki Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Thailand squad 2012 AFF Suzuki Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Bermuda Squad 1967 Pan American Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Trinidad and Tobago Squad 1967 Pan American Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Trinidad and Tobago squad 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Argentina U20 Squad 2007 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Argentina squad 2011 FIFA U-20 World Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Cuba Squad 1971 Pan American Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Czech Republic squad 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Argentina squad 2005 South American Youth Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Argentina squad 2007 South American Youth Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Argentina squad 2011 South American Youth Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Australia Squad 2006 AFC Youth Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Australia squad 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Argentina Squad 1955 Pan American Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Argentina Squad 1959 Pan American Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Argentina Squad 1963 Pan American Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Argentina Squad 1967 Pan American Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Argentina Squad 1971 Pan American Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Australia U20 Squad 2001 OFC U-20 Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Algeria Squad 2011 World Military Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Algeria Squad 1991 Afro-Asian Cup of Nations (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Algeria Squad 2011 African Nations Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Algeria Squad 2011 African U-23 Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Honduras squad 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Argentina squad 2003 South American Youth Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Brazil squad 2013 South American Youth Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:United Arab Emirates squad 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:United States Squad 1959 Pan American Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:United States squad 2007 Pan American Games (Men) (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Uzbekistan squad 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Venezuela squad 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Tuvalu squad 1979 South Pacific Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Tuvalu squad 2003 South Pacific Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Tuvalu squad 2007 South Pacific Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Tuvalu squad 2008 Oceanian Futsal Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Tuvalu squad 2010 Oceanian Futsal Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Tuvalu squad 2011 Oceanian Futsal Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Tuvalu squad 2011 Pacific Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Nepal squad 2012 Nehru Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Malaysia squad 2008 AFF Suzuki Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Malaysia squad 2010 AFF Suzuki Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Malaysia squad 2012 AFF Suzuki Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Croatia Squad 2011 FIFA U20 World Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Costa Rica Squad 2009 CONCACAF U-20 Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Costa Rica Squad 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Costa Rica Squad 2011 FIFA U-20 World Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Laos squad 2010 AFF Suzuki Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Laos squad 2012 AFF Suzuki Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Colombia squad 2013 South American Youth Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Chile Squad 1963 Pan American Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Colombia Squad 1971 Pan American Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Colombia squad 2011 FIFA U-20 World Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Brazil Squad 2007 South American Youth Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Brazil Squad 2009 South American Youth Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Brazil squad 2011 South American Youth Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Brazil Squad 2005 FIFA U-20 World Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Brazil Squad 2005 U-20 World Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Brazil Squad 2007 FIFA U-20 World Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Brazil Squad 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Brazil squad 2011 FIFA U-20 World Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Brazil Squad 2011 FIFA U-20 World Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Brazil Squad 2010 International Tournament City of São Paulo (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Brazil Squad 2011 Pan American Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Brazil Squad 1959 Pan American Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Brazil Squad 1963 Pan American Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Indonesia squad 2008 AFF Suzuki Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Indonesia squad 2010 AFF Suzuki Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Indonesia squad 2012 AFF Suzuki Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Iran men's football squad 2006 Asian Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Iran men's football squad 2010 Asian Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Iraq men's football squad 2006 Asian Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Mexico Squad 1967 Pan American Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:New Zealand squad 2007 FIFA U-20 World Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:New Zealand squad 2011 FIFA U-20 World Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Nigeria squad 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Oman men's football squad 2010 Asian Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Italy squad 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Hungary Squad 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Hong Kong Squad 1954 Asian Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Hong Kong Squad 1958 Asian Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Hong Kong Squad 1990 Asian Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Hong Kong Squad 1994 Asian Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Hong Kong Squad 1995 Dynasty Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Hong Kong Squad 1998 Asian Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Hong Kong Squad 1998 Dynasty Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Hong Kong Squad 2003 EAFF Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Cambodia squad 2008 AFF Suzuki Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Philippines squad 2010 AFF Suzuki Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Philippines squad 2012 AFF Suzuki Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Banhtrung1 03:24, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- Comment - none of the templates have been tagged as being under discussion for deletion, this nomination should be procedurally closed. C679 07:42, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 08:24, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- Partial keep - Template:Tuvalu squad 2007 South Pacific Games is for a competition that is not a youth competition and was in fact the OFC first round of qualifying for the 2010 World Cup. I think this applies to all the Tuvalu templates, they appear all to be for non-youth tournaments. Also, there is nothing I can find in the relevant articles to indicate that the following were youth tournaments:
- Template:Peru Squad 1930s Golden Generation - This seems to be a template covering a whole decade so doesn't seem like a youth template to me, although I am not sure of the specific usefulness of it.
- Template:Thailand Squad 1996 Tiger Cup - Is ASEAN Football Championship a youth competition, I can't see anything in the article to suggest specifically that it is? Can anyone confirm for all Tiger / Suzuki Cup templates?
- Template:Bermuda Squad 1967 Pan American Games - Is the Pan American games a youth tournament? There is nothing Football at the 1967 Pan American Games here to confirm. Can anyone confirm for all Pan American Games templates?
- Template:Algeria Squad 2011 World Military Cup - There isn't even an article on this, so not sure how it can be said to have been a youth tournament?
- This is little-known competitions so it is deserve to be deleted. Banhtrung1 12:50, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- Template:Hong Kong Squad 2003 EAFF Championship - Not sure that EAFF East Asian Cup is a youth tournament either, nothing in the article says it is.
- As I have said, this is a regional tournament only. All regional tournament squad template should be deleted. Banhtrung1 12:50, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- Other than the Tuvalu ones, which I am certain are not youth tournaments (particularly the 2007 Pacific Games one) I am unsure about these. Fenix down (talk) 09:34, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- Additional Keep - Also this template - Template:Kiribati squad for 2011 Pacific Games has been tagged with the discussion being this link, but it does not seem to have been added tothe list for some reason. Again, I do not believe the 2011 pacific games was a youth tournament, especially since the football tournament was originally intended to be the first round of qualifying for the OFC Nations Cup and the next World Cup, neither of which are youth competitions. A quick look at the squad lists here shows so many players over 23 that this couldn't have been a youth tournament. For transparency's sake, it should be noted that this is a template that I created myself. Fenix down (talk) 09:58, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- It is a continental multi-sport event's football tournament, so it is not necessary. Banhtrung1 12:50, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- I think regional football tournaments, football tournaments at the regional and continental multi-sport events are not neccessary including senior competitions. I'm sorry for the rush! Banhtrung1 10:16, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- Procedural keep with no prejudice to the templates being re-nominated in the near future. The nominator has gone about this the wrong way, he has bundled far too many templates, of numerous different tournaments, together and it is near-impossible to properly look into their merits (or lack thereof). I suggest this be closed and the nominator bring them all back to TFD over time, in smaller and better-organised bundles. GiantSnowman 10:30, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- procedural keep, we should be more careful about how these are lumped so we can have a reasoned debate about each type of navbox. Frietjes (talk) 15:08, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- Comment - nominator is also adding new templates even though the discussion has already begun. GiantSnowman 15:20, 13 June 2013 (UTC)