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Lou Sander (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

My account has been blocked for about a year, during which time I have been totally inactive. I'd like to start contributing again. I don't remember all that much about how to get unblocked, but I guess that making this edit is a start. Lou Sander (talk) 00:09, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Accept reason:

I am the CheckUser who dealt with the SPI case, and have been observing this discussion with the intention to contribute.

I feel that an indefinite block is a little harsh on a long term editor's otherwise clean record. I see that you have revisited this situation after a year, during which time you have apparently respected the block. With these two things in mind, I am unblocking you.

However, it is really rather only those things which merit your unblock, in my opinion. Behaviourally and technically speaking, there is nothing to suggest that the accounts which were marked as confirmed as yours were operated by more than one individual, and your recent comments barely demonstrate any understanding as to why what you were doing was unacceptable, and acknowledgement and ownership thereof. The fact that you have respected the initial block is commendable, but there almost certainly won't be another chance should this happen again. Stick to this account as you say, and good luck. WilliamH (talk) 22:12, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

What lead to your block, and what steps are you planning on taking to correct it? SQL 08:45, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

I was signing on with other accounts, using them in what I regarded as non-malicious ways under the purview of "Be Bold." Others interpreted it as malicious, and blocked me. When I attempted to explain myself, it just seemed to anger them. (I knew about the other accounts because at one time I was very active in signing up new editors, mostly academics from other countries who often used my computer in signing up. There are tons of explanations, and I'm happy to revisit them if desired, but I don't want to be seen as making excuses.)

I want to resume my past activities as a substantial and non-controversial contributor to the encyclopedia. I intend to never again sign on with any account but the one I am using here. I also intend to be extremely careful if I ever again assist a newbie in becoming an editor. Lou Sander (talk) 16:44, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Please list all of the accounts which you have used. --Anthony Bradbury 20:58, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

I am happy to cooperate in any way, but I would like to understand your question and why you are asking it. I have probably introduced at least twenty newbies to editing, many of them from my own computer (arousing the concern that they are my socks). They include people who contribute in Russian, Arabic, Spanish, Japanese, and maybe more. It would be next to impossible to identify them all. I can easily identify the ones that were named in the sockpuppet investigation, and possibly a few more.

I have a concern that if I miss one, somebody will say "Gotcha!" and use it as evidence that I am not cooperating. Also, some users named as my sockpuppets are people with whom I have no known connection, or from whose locations I legitimately edited. If we can all work in good faith here, there should be no trouble, but I still have scars from a year ago. Lou Sander (talk) 21:48, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

A few minutes later... I've forgotten how to get into the SPI where the other accounts are identified. Can somebody help? Lou Sander (talk) 22:09, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Just to reiterate -- I am finished forever with logging in as any account but this one, and from dealing with my students in any way that might confuse their work with my own. Lou Sander (talk) 22:17, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Lou Sander  Ronhjones  22:49, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll be very busy for a few more days, and will return to this soon. Lou Sander (talk) 22:42, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

I am back, with time to address this matter over the next few days, at least. I see that when the discussion went stale, my unblock request was (reasonably) declined. I don't know if I have to resubmit it or not, and am hoping that somebody will clue me in on that. There are two things I want to do right now: 1) Answer the question about identifying the accounts with which I have signed on in the past, and 2) Archiving the considerable amount of unrelated stuff on this page. Lou Sander (talk) 15:14, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

These are the users who are suspected of being my sockpuppets (list copied from SPI). They are basically people I have introduced to editing. I have certainly signed on with or as some or all of them from time to time.

Suspected sockpuppets

• Ohio Mailman (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• DCLawyer (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• Good Cop (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• MathDame (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) (added by MastCell; see below)
• Skyrocket654 (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• Yaush (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

If asked, I will be happy to identify each of them and provide details of my activities with them. To reiterate, I will never again sign on with any identity but my own. Lou Sander (talk) 15:32, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

I've reverted the procedural decline so that you don't have to mess with adding another. Kuru (talk) 18:12, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! I think you expressed interest in what editing I might have done since being blocked. As far as I recall, I haven't edited anything at all, even anonymously, since the discussions about my block last May. I learned back then that it might not be wise to volunteer any information, and I'm still in that mode. I will be happy to answer anything that is asked of me, in as much detail as is desired, but I don't want to volunteer anything that might be seen as an excuse. Lou Sander (talk) 18:30, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm curious how I got onto this list. I'm certainly not Lou Sander, I wasn't introduced to editing Misplaced Pages by Lou Sander, and I don't even know off the top of my head who Lou Sander is. I certainly hope Lou Sander has not been somehow using my username! --Yaush (talk) 16:04, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Yaush: Somehow, for a while last May, somebody thought you were my sock because we both edit in Navy or military articles, and because you edited or made a comment on the article on Michael Belleisles. They ended up thinking better of it and clearing you. There is a discussion of this above, at User_talk:Lou_Sander#Collateral_damage_to_innocent_bystanders. Lou Sander (talk) 17:02, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Further research into old material shows that User:USBibliophile was briefly suspected of being a sockpuppet of mine. He came out of nowhere and made a comment on the Michael Belleisles article, quickly arousing suspicion. I have no idea who he is or was, but I have some guesses on where he might have come from. Lou Sander (talk) 01:04, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Kuru: I don't know how to reach you except by posting here. Discussion of my unblock request seems to have dried up. I have a feeling that your finalizing it and then reversing that may have something to do with this situation. I'd love to invite those who commented here previously to renew their interest. But, being blocked, I don't think I have a way to do that. Lou Sander (talk) 18:42, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

WilliamH: Thank you for unblocking me. I am very willing to discuss and hopefully clarify what you said about "Behaviourally and technically speaking, there is nothing to suggest that the accounts which were marked as confirmed as yours were operated by more than one individual, and your recent comments barely demonstrate any understanding as to why what you were doing was unacceptable, and acknowledgement and ownership thereof.", but I don't know if it would do anything to clean up my reputation, and I don't want to get in deeper by saying anything that people could take as evasiveness or improper excuse-making. I'm thinking that what is best is to just shut up and move on, never again using any account but this one (or the occasional anon, if I forget to sign in). What do you think? Lou Sander (talk) 00:04, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

No problem, and I think that's probably the best idea. Cheers, WilliamH (talk) 17:02, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks again. I am shutting up and moving on. How can I get my user page back? Lou Sander (talk) 18:10, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Restored. You can view previous revisions of how it looked simply by clicking the time stamp. WilliamH (talk) 10:40, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Oddfellows

(Almost) nothing to do with you. A vandal did two edits - you reverted one of them, saying it was a typo. It wasn't: both the one you fixed/reverted, and the other one, are/were vandalism. Does that address your concern(s)? Pdfpdf (talk) 15:08, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Welcome back

Good to have you back. I admire your patience working with the bureaucracy that Misplaced Pages supposedly doesn't have. --Ronz (talk) 18:53, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing. I pretty much live bureaucracy-free, so I don't do real well when I encounter one. I figured I'd stay away forever, but after a year I had second thoughts and gave a shot at getting my block lifted. I thought I'd probably not do much more article creation, but old habits die hard. Lou Sander (talk) 19:13, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Datura...

the source says literally: No other substance has received as many “Train Wreck” severely negative experience reports

as if "Train Wreck" is a quote from elsewhere. And Train Wrecks and Trip Disasters is one of Erowid's trip categories; when you add talk like 'experience reports' it is too much like erowid. I'd be surprised if it were an actual coincidence; then again Erowid does not actually support that picture. Then, where are his 'overwhelming majority of experience reports' from? probably the people ended up in hospital/noticed by police. Naturally they will be the ones who overdosed. Erowid provides a much more balanced picture of Datura use — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nitrobutane (talk • contribs) 00:24, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Rogue comma

Have come across one on your user page, followed by a bracket (as we Brits say). I have resisted the urge to remove it and will now continue reading (interesting stuff). Rothorpe (talk) 17:41, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Good work Lou

I really appreciate your effort on the sheldrake page and very impressed with your[REDACTED] experience. Hope you stick around, there is a lot more work to do! The Tumbleman (talk) 00:29, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Getting nice thank you messages from banned trolls doesn't make you look very good does it? Barney the barney barney (talk) 08:55, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

See HERE. Lou Sander (talk) 13:32, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Canvassing

Hello. It appears that you have been canvassing—leaving messages on a biased choice of users' talk pages to notify them of an ongoing community decision, debate, or vote—in order to influence Rupert Sheldrake. While friendly notices are allowed, they should be limited and nonpartisan in distribution and should reflect a neutral point of view. Please do not post notices which are indiscriminately cross-posted, which espouse a certain point of view or side of a debate, or which are selectively sent only to those who are believed to hold the same opinion as you. Remember to respect Misplaced Pages's principle of consensus-building by allowing decisions to reflect the prevailing opinion among the community at large. Evidence: . vzaak (talk) 07:28, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Canvassing in a nutshell: "When notifying other editors of discussions, keep the number of notifications small, keep the message text neutral, and don't preselect recipients according to their established opinions." and "In general, it is perfectly acceptable to notify other editors of ongoing discussions, provided that it is done with the intent to improve the quality of the discussion by broadening participation to more fully achieve consensus." Done. Lou Sander (talk) 13:38, 23 October 2013 (UTC)