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Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive367#Close challenge for Talk:1948 Arab–Israeli War#RFC for Jewish exodus

(Initiated 40 days ago on 13 December 2024) challenge of close at AN was archived nableezy - 05:22, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

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Requests for comment

Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/In the news criteria amendments

(Initiated 107 days ago on 7 October 2024) Tough one, died down, will expire tomorrow. Aaron Liu (talk) 23:58, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 459#RFC_Jerusalem_Post

(Initiated 86 days ago on 28 October 2024) Participation/discussion has mostly stopped & is unlikely to pick back up again. - Butterscotch Beluga (talk) 21:15, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

 Note: This is a contentious topic and subject to general sanctions. - Butterscotch Beluga (talk) 21:15, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Archived. P.I. Ellsworth , ed.  22:26, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

would like to see what close is. seems like it was option 1 in general, possibly 1/2 for IP area. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 05:38, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Talk:Genocide#RfC: History section, adding native American and Australian genocides as examples

(Initiated 77 days ago on 6 November 2024) RfC expired on 6 December 2024 . No new comments in over a week. Bogazicili (talk) 15:26, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Australia#RFC: Should the article state that Indigenous Australians were victims of genocide?

(Initiated 76 days ago on 8 November 2024), RFC expired weeks ago. GoodDay (talk) 21:33, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Talk:Catholic Church#RfC: Establishing an independent Catholicism article

(Initiated 27 days ago on 26 December 2024) Requesting closure from uninvolved impartial third party to close a discussion that has not seen a novel argument for a bit. ~ Pbritti (talk) 18:21, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

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Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 January 18#Category:Belarusian saints

(Initiated 34 days ago on 20 December 2024) HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:10, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

 Done voorts (talk/contributions) 23:28, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 January 6#Category:Misplaced Pages oversighters

(Initiated 34 days ago on 20 December 2024) HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 05:38, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

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(Initiated 19 days ago on 3 January 2025) HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:47, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

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(Initiated 16 days ago on 6 January 2025) HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 05:35, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

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(Initiated 13 days ago on 9 January 2025) HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:47, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

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(Initiated 9 days ago on 13 January 2025) HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 08:14, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

 Closed by editor Timrollpickering. P.I. Ellsworth , ed.  14:01, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

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(Initiated 8 days ago on 15 January 2025) HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 04:24, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

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Talk:Free and open-source software#Proposed merge of Open-source software and Free software into Free and open-source software

(Initiated 250 days ago on 17 May 2024) Would an uninvolved experienced editor please assess the consensus at Talk:Free and open-source software § Proposed merge of Open-source software and Free software into Free and open-source software? Thank you. — Newslinger talk 01:53, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Talk:Arab migrations to the Levant#Merger Proposal

(Initiated 120 days ago on 25 September 2024) Open for a while, requesting uninvolved closure. Andre🚐 22:15, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Winter fuel payment abolition backlash#Merge proposal

(Initiated 86 days ago on 29 October 2024) There are voices on both sides (ie it is not uncontroversial) so a non-involved editor is needed to evaluate consensus and close this. Thanks. PamD 09:55, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:You Like It Darker#Proposed merge of Finn (short story) into You Like It Darker

(Initiated 26 days ago on 27 December 2024) Proposed merge discussion originally opened on 30 May 2024, closed on 27 October 2024, and reopened on 27 December 2024 following the closure being overturned at AN. voorts (talk/contributions) 00:22, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

Talk:Selected Ambient Works Volume II#Proposed merge of Stone in Focus into Selected Ambient Works Volume II

(Initiated 16 days ago on 6 January 2025) Seeking uninvolved closure; proposal is blocking GA closure czar 11:47, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Talk:Donald Trump#Proposal to supersede consensus #50

(Initiated 12 days ago on 10 January 2025) Seeking uninvolved closure; its degenerated into silly sniping and has clearly run its course. Slatersteven (talk) 16:46, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

Yup, the discussion does need to be closed. GoodDay (talk) 18:30, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

Talk:Xiaohongshu#Requested move 14 January 2025

(Initiated 8 days ago on 14 January 2025) Seeking uninvolved closure; its been more than 7 days and there appears to be a consensus. There haven't been new opinions for almost three days now. Queen Douglas DC-3 (talk) 22:08, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

 Closed. P.I. Ellsworth , ed.  09:12, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

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Weird PRODs

Hi, many PRODs listed at User:DumbBOT/ProdSummary are overdue, yet do not exhibit a red notice in the PROD template that the PROD is expired. Some (for example, Dardan Xheladini) even are indicated to be in the Category:Expired proposed deletions, yet that category seems to be empty (and, yes, I have purged my cache). No clue what is going on here, but thought I should mention it. --Randykitty (talk) 15:37, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Just make a 0-edit to the page, and they will appear in the category (like I did with your example). Armbrust 16:58, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

• Well, at this point, I'm just deleting them. But shouldn't they get into those cats automatically, so that they are easier to find than checking that DumbBot log? --Randykitty (talk) 17:20, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Its an issue of caching, they will drop into the category as soon as the pages are reparsed. There is a purge bot around here somewhere that does that for other deletion related categories. You might see if this can be added to its job. Werieth (talk) 17:29, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, it's a long-term problem, well-known among those of us who work at PROD. If we can get a bot to resolve it then even better. GiantSnowman 17:34, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

In preferences, under gadgets, I enabled the "Add a clock in the personal toolbar" option under Appearance. If you click the little clock it will reload the cache of the page you're at. It's invaluable on a lot of pages but especially handy when a PROD is expired but the template on the page hasn't updated. That's what I do to double-check if I think a PROD should be expired but it's not saying that it was. In my experience, it can take a long time for the cache to purge, sometimes even more than a day. -- Atama頭 17:46, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

• @Joe Decker: can you chime in? Werieth (talk) 20:04, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

  I will take a look, and respond when I'm home (probably 4-6 hours from now). Sounds like something may need a kick. --j⚛e decker 20:10, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, this is precisely the same sort of problem that the other tasks of User:Joe's Null Bot was designed to handle, unless there are concerns, I'll file the appropriate BRFA. (My bot only runs daily, not constantly, so it'll still happen that some get behind, just not for more than a day.) --j⚛e decker 22:43, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Things look much better now. Once a day should indeed be enough. Thanks! --Randykitty (talk) 19:58, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

My pleasure! The BRFA is filed at Misplaced Pages:Brfa#Joe.27s_Null_Bot_9, I would guess it is likely it'll be approved in the next week or so, and it will be a very simple addition to existing code. --j⚛e decker 17:22, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Move request moratorium at Genesis creation narrative

I have just closed a requested move discussion at Talk:Genesis creation narrative#Suggested_move. It was the 12th move discussion on this page since January 2010 (which may be some sort of a record), and the second move discussion in 3 months. I have therefore imposed a 12-month moratorium on further move requests.

I don't recall doing this before, so I am unsure if I should log this somewhere ... which is why I have left a note here. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:52, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

You did well IMO. Irondome (talk) 01:05, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Good call. I don't think there's a log for this, but am not positive. Miniapolis 01:14, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

• Endorse. Right or wrong, the clear fact is that there is no consensus to move, and there probably never will be. Guy (Help!) 01:29, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

When administrator rights are granted like this by administrators to other administrators, could you guys at least indicate that somewhere? I don't see any place where it says that administrators are allowed to impose a moratorium on conversations on talkpages. This is a wholly new right for the sainted class.

Alternatively, you could have done this as a part of discretionary sanctions, but what are the discretionary sanctions? I have no doubt that administrators like to give themselves new rights to control the community like this, but as long as it's not in WP:ADMIN, I think you guys shouldn't be doing this sort of thing.

If this becomes a thing you guys feel empowered to do, it's invariably going to end up in arbitration. The whole point of Misplaced Pages's consensus model is to encourage discussion. So if discussion is now to be discouraged, then what is there to be done? Note that the discussion was closed "no consensus" which necessarily defaults to the wrong version. You are basically declaring winners by default whether you like it or not. In contrast, WP:RPP protections for one whole year are extremely rare things. Why should a move moratorium be so cavalierly entered?

jps (talk) 07:43, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

To be clear, I don't think this conversation has ended as I don't think a coherent voice has been heard yet and that's why I'm not convinced that closing the discussion makes any sense. Keep it open for one year, if you like, and then have someone evaluate what happens. But by closing like this, you are just asking for people to stop until May 2, 2014 when they will just pick up where they left off. Why not let the conversation continue. What's the WP:NOTPAPER harm? I think you admins may not like reading such conversations to try to figure out who is right and who is wrong, but that's not a good reason to stop a conversation. It's just not. jps (talk) 07:48, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes, those who have a view different from the status quo will see the close and moratorium as a "win" granted to the other side, when clearly there was no consensus. That's not "no consensus to change". There was very strong argument in favour of change. It's just "no consensus". It's an unfortunate quirk of our policies that will now allow those who have "won" to say "You tried to change this and failed", implying that they are right. And that's not at all what has been demonstrated. A brave administrator would not just count votes, but would consider quality of argument and make a ruling. HiLo48 (talk) 08:12, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

The ruling would be that there is no consensus to change. The current title does not provably violate policy. Sure, it's asserted to violate policy, but that's just an opinion and it's not held by people like Jimbo, according to his stated opinion on the matter, so arguing that it is, is futile. I say this as one who strongly prefers the "myth" title. Guy (Help!) 10:53, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

@HiLo48 It's a bit tedious to spend time weighing a discussion in accordance with WP:RMCI#Determining_consensus, and then be told that "a brave administrator would not just count votes, but would consider quality of argument". AGF, please. I am quite willing to go against the numbers where the circumstances justify it. (See for example crowned crane, Chipewyan people, and Hillary Clinton).

I did weigh the arguments, discarded those which were not founded in policy, and was left with a set of good policy-based arguments on both sides. Having judged that both sides had well-founded arguments, the job of a closing admin is explicitly not to make a WP:SUPERVOTE and decide which set of arguments she prefers. The admin's job is to weigh strength of policy-based argument and strength of support for them. In a case such as this, where there are broadly similar levels of support for well-founded policy-based arguments, it would be entirely wrong for an admin to impose their own choice between the two sides, and closures such as that are rightly and properly overturned at move review.

Where there is no consensus, policy is maintain the status quo. In situations such as this, where there is a persistent failure to reach consensus on a choice between two sides, that confers a first-mover advantage. The community may want to consider the notion that in cases such as this of long-term lack of consensus between 2 options, pages could be cycled between the two alternatives; but no such policy exists for now, and WP:TITLECHANGES prioritises stability.

I think that a better way forward would be for the two sides to prepare for the end of the moratorium by planning a structured decision-making process, such as has been used for pending changes (e.g. the 2014 RFC). Breaking the question down and separately assessing consensus on various propositions would be much more informative for all involved, and it is more likely to produce a clear outcome than yet another round of free-form discussion. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:44, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

I understand your motivation, but there is no indication that drive-by closure and a rude "work it out yourselves, but don't bother me for a year" is the right direction here. I'm happy to start a structured conversation that would not have an outcome, but I'll note that I tried to do just this without a WP:RM and instead others took it upon themselves to claim a WP:RM. So if I wanted to start a discussion about how to start a structured discussion, am I banned from doing that on the talkpage? jps (talk) 14:52, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

• In practice such moratoriums - 3 months, 6 months, 12 months (most usually 6 months) - are not uncommon in RM closers' instructions. However they are not always of the high quality of BrownHairedGirl's moratorium here. An informal log somewhere would be helpful. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:45, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Shall I fix this? Can you identify any other RM moratoria in place? jps (talk) 14:52, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

I'd have to have a hunt, a quick request at Talk:RM would probably yield up to a dozen examples. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:36, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

I'm not seeing the need for a centralized log - what would it be used for? In each case the RM moratorium is noted on the article talk page, where any admin about to make a change, or user about to request a change, can see it. Why would someone need to see it elsewise? I think WP:BURO applies here. BMK (talk) 15:54, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Logging is a good idea because it guarantees transparency in what are often contentious decisions. It encourages a kind of institutional memory which is important when looking at longterm development of a situation. That's why it is done for discretionary sanctions, for example. jps (talk) 16:05, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

I wonder if Misplaced Pages can ever find a solution to problems like this where a decision that there is no consensus to change, plus a moratorium on future attempts to change, delivers precisely the result sought by those wanting no change, and is seen by both sides as a win for them? HiLo48 (talk) 22:37, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

I also endorse BrownHairedGirl's handling of this issue. Cutting down the pointless move discussions (which are doomed to end as "no consensus," since it always seems to be the same alternate title that's suggested) to once a year is a good idea. May I also add that this talk of "winning" and "losing" has an unfortunate taste of WP:BATTLEGROUND about it. -- 101.117.2.111 (talk) 04:00, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Edit warring on The Zeitgeist Movement

There seems to be edit warring going on at The Zeitgeist Movement. Can someone lock down the article until a discussion can resolve the issue, and/or block the persons involved, if necessary? Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 03:40, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Why is it that 107% of all the people in the world whoGAF about the Zeitgeitst bollocks, choose to push it on Misplaced Pages?

That's all of them plus some sockpuppets.

Guy (Help!) 01:09, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

The situation is a bit more complex that the usual one concerning pro-TZM sock/meatpuppetry - see this WP:AN/EW discussion, which should probably be taking place at ANI. AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:22, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Interesting, thanks. The "merge to one cesspool" idea has definite merit. We have enough trouble keeping a lid on conspiracisty bollocks as it is, without the Zeitgeist people adding to it. Guy (Help!) 22:57, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Pirelli Brasil

User:NaBUru38 made a note on WT:SPI about this unlisted YouTube video, which depicts a campaign by the company to change various images on Misplaced Pages to prominently feature their brand. I checked en-wiki, pt-wiki, and Commons, and this campaign does not seem to have happened; if it had, I'm pretty sure someone would have noticed by now anyways. I'm assuming it's some fake video made to impress non-tech-savvy corporate bigwigs or something, but just wanted to bring it to everyone's attention in case they made the video before they started (which could also explain why it's unlisted, I guess). Cheers, 206.117.89.4 (talk) 04:17, 2 May 2014 (UTC) (User:Ansh666)

Brick Like Me

• A request was made to move Brick Like Me (The Simpsons) to replace Brick Like Me. But Brick Like Me is a long orderly succession of edits, and Brick Like Me (The Simpsons) is a disorderly alternation of edit war between text and redirects. Someone reinstated this request as a history-merge, but this history-merge is unsuitable because the two pages are partly WP:Parallel histories. But 2 users keep reinstating this history-merge request. See User talk:Anthony Appleyard#Brick Like Me, User talk:M(e)ister Eiskalt#Brick Like Me. I would like to make the history-merge and satisfy these desires, but that would make a mess: see WP:Parallel histories. What happened in these two Brick Like Me pages was not a cut-and-paste but a copy-and-paste, creating two parallel histories, and to re-unite one of these two histories I would have to cut the other history (that persistent dilemma when tidying up after a content-fork caused by a copy-and-paste). I put a history note in Talk:Brick Like Me. There may have been two to several complete or partial copy-and-pastes between Brick Like Me (The Simpsons) and Brick Like Me, but the usual history-merge process cannot handle that. This dispute needs to be discussed properly somewhere. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:08, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Why not just redirect and protect the redirect? That would leave the messy history in place and the orderly history in place, and would also leave a single article. Guy (Help!) 10:50, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

I have to underline the idea of ViperSnake151 that IS the way to do everything right. But the copy of Djole 555 should be delate because it is still NOT his work. --M(e)ister Eiskalt (talk) 12:45, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

• I agree with JzG (Guy). Just fully protect Brick Like Me (The Simpsons) and leave it as a redirect. Canuck 14:54, May 2, 2014 (UTC)
• Make use of the {{copied}} template to document the edit(s) where content was copied from Brick Like Me (The Simpsons) and leave both histories in place. Simple. --ThaddeusB (talk) 21:59, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
• Support making Brick Like Me (The Simpsons) be a fully protected redirect to the main article. Someone can leave a note on the talk page about where the material came from originally. EdJohnston (talk) 01:45, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

  No, not everyone who takes notes about the view history takes notes about the talk page. Either it is mentioned in the edit summary of the copy OR you make the way of ViperSnake151. The other points are still copyright infringement even if it was copied from a Misplaced Pages page. --M(e)ister Eiskalt (talk) 15:22, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

  You are mistaken - the use of the {{copied}} template fulfills the requirements of the CC-BY-SA/GFDL. A history merge is not required. --ThaddeusB (talk) 19:07, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Just so. A simple fix that seems to resolve the stated issue. Guy (Help!) 23:01, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

New WMF Executive Director

The new WMF ED is to be Lila Tretikov, see announcement. JohnCD (talk) 11:29, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Arbitration Committee voting on procedures is in progress

The Arbitration Committee is voting on changes to ArbCom procedures at:

• Motion: Discretionary sanctions (2014)
• Motion: Appeals and modifications
• Motion: DS (2014) housekeeping provisions

This is an informational post, per requirements of Modification of procedures --S Philbrick(Talk) 15:25, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Sock block check please

I've just blocked Robopsychologist (talk · contribs · logs) as a suspected sock puppet of CensoredScribe (talk · contribs · logs), on the basis of the sudden appearance to add "X in fiction" categories and stuff about "ancient astronauts" and algae - compare the latter to CensoredScribe's user page content. The writing style also appears to match. I think it's pretty obvious that it's the same person. Could I get some opinions please as to whether I was right? If I've screwed up, I will offer a full and very public apology to the user in question. Thanks. — Scott • talk 17:00, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Agreed this is likely to be CensoredScribe, and if not then the chances of it being a genuinely new user are close to zero. Guy (Help!) 09:09, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

The "goodbye" to Drmies is particularly telling. BMK (talk) 15:50, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

RFPP is once more flooded, mops to hand

Another week, another "oh right, RFPP is a thing" reminder. Currently we're at 52 requests pending so we're in need of a little attention over there and probably something else so we don't have to post something at AN every few weeks it happens. tutterMouse (talk) 17:35, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

I took care of a bunch of them. FYI, admins being in short supply is hardly a problem unique to RFPP. --ThaddeusB (talk) 23:21, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

The rest have also been taken care of so thanks to those mucking in. I know admins being in short supply isn't unique to RFPP but would be nice if we could get some admins who'd have a regular look see every 24 hours or so to prevent backlogs of requests for something I see as fairly crucial to the wiki. tutterMouse (talk) 08:53, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Askahrc

I would like an uninvolved admin to notify Askahrc (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) per WP:ARBPSCI. The user was minimallty active for some time then returned in 2013, since when they have been showing obsessive support of the agendas of ] and his supporter/apologist Deepak Chopra. The views of both are way out in the long grass. This user now purports to mediate in the "dispute" between SAS81 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) (an openly declared media representative for Chopra) and world+dog. Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Askahrc/Archive is interesting too. This user appears to have lost interest in Misplaced Pages then returned after a hiatus to right great wrongs.

SAS81 has engaged in forum shopping because he does not like the sound of the word "no". This is expected and normal under the circumstances. Several users in good standing are counselling him on the Misplaced Pages way of doing things, and this is ongoing. I mention this user only for completeness: I do not, at this time, advocate sanctions against him. Guy (Help!) 22:50, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Askahrc has already been notified of discretionary sanctions, and indeed has already been sanctioned for harassing users from behind a sockpuppet and for wasting the community's time.

There is a tabled request on him at AE, with "a low bar for reporting newer disruption". JzG, AE is likely a better place for this. I have evidence to submit about the recent continuation of his attacks against me (I was the one who exposed his sockpuppeting/harassing activities). vzaak 01:13, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand the cause of this notification. I've been intermittently active (including long hiatuses during the discussion over Sheldrake) for many years and have always tried to keep a neutral, reasonable tone to my contributions. I've never shown support for the agenda of Rupert Sheldrake (I was arguing against the incivility of editors on the page, not for Sheldrake's views) or Deepak Chopra. If you disagree, please show a diff.

I have edited numerous other pages besides Sheldrake (which I haven't touched in months) and Chopra, and was introduced to the Chopra issue independently via the BLP board, where I'd offered to other editors the exact same referencing help as I did for user:SAS81. On Chopra I've been trying to work with other editors to establish a best practice to determine which sources would be most valid and applicable, namely focusing on independent secondary sources. Far from endorsing his agenda, I have argued that many of SAS81's sources should not take priority over existing secondaries. I have been mediating with editors from very different view points and we've been making excellent progress. All of my suggestions have been for a stronger emphasis on reliable sources, not a relaxing of WP:FRINGE.

I know we've had minor misunderstandings in the past, Guy, but I honestly don't see the issue here. Also, what do the SPI's Vzaak keeps pushing against me have to do with this? He got me warned once, then tried it again and was told by an admin that there was absolutely no connection. It's frustrating to try to contribute in good faith and be called "obsessed" over something I've never once spoken in favor of, let alone have editors repeatedly bring up this SPI issue. The Cap'n (talk) 01:33, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

@user:Vzaak, see above about bringing up the SPI (over and over again), but otherwise what "continuing attacks" are you referring to? I've done nothing against you since bringing up my issues about you continually bringing cases against me (1, 2, 3) at AR. I honestly would like nothing more than to leave you alone and vice-versa. Voluntary IBAN?

And yet again, what disruption? I'm mediating a discussion on citing secondary sources, how is that disruptive in any way? Let it go, Vzaak, I don't want to fight with you. The Cap'n (talk) 01:45, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

I'm a little unclear about what is happening here. What is the problem actually? All I can add is that the Capn came into help on the BLP noticeboard and chimed in on my COI noticeboard and offered to help mediate. I also do not agree with Guy's assesment that I have a hard time being told 'no'. I was not aware he was in charge I was under the impression that Misplaced Pages is collaborative and Capn appears like a collaborative editor while Guy seems very angry that I am here. Capn has been very helpful in a very difficult situation, I wish there were a few more like him. SAS81 (talk) 02:23, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

@Askahrc responded to a request on the BLP notice board and has attempted to mediate what had become a contentious article. His actions and behaviour have been appropriate and neutral, and he has provided a somewhat even tone to a sometimes less than pleasant environment. I see no reason to have brought him here. (Littleolive oil (talk) 02:55, 4 May 2014 (UTC))

@Vzaak: I agree, but I am involved so someone else needs to do it.

@Littleolive oil: No they have not, because he is not "uninvolved" and he also has a significant history of POV-pushing, including sanctions in this exact area. Whoever should mediate (and actually mediation is not necessary, the iussue is just that the Chjopra media machine is trying to buff up the article), it should not and cannot be Askahrc. Guy (Help!) 10:10, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

I do not think that Askahrc (talk · contribs) has the basic level of WP:COMPETENCE required to mediate. This may be due to the Dunning–Kruger effect. Either way, a bizarre and ineffective mediation attempt that will inevitably follow unless he is stopped is just going to create WP:DRAMA for the sake of it. Barney the barney barney (talk) 11:01, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Null edits

Could someone make null edits to the pages in Category:Misplaced Pages XHTML tag replacing templates? They are all full- or template-protected. After this the category should be deleted by using the "click here to delete" link on the page. Armbrust 00:41, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

 Done -- Diannaa (talk) 02:43, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Admin needed at Microsoft Windows

The article is supposed to be about MS Windows, but the whole thing is currently reading (at least on my machine) as a thing related to WP:HATNOTE. Not sure what happened there, but it definitely needs a looksee, and one form an admin because the page is protected at the moment. 24.92.104.80 (talk) 02:20, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Everything looks normal to me. Please try refreshing your cache or purging the page. -- Diannaa (talk) 02:45, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

That was because of an edit to Template:Rellink, now fixed. As Diannaa says, purging should fix any articles that are still using the broken version. — Mr. Stradivarius on tour 04:55, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Alexa Olvera

Hello. This article has been speedy delete in es-wiki and fr-wiki, as encyclopedic irrelevant and hoax. I notice that here was placed a template proposing deletion, but instead an IP replace it with a reference template. In my home wiki it´s not allowed to do that, but I'm not familiar with the processes in the english wiki, so I prefer to inform about here. Regards, —Frei sein (Talk to me!) 06:24, 4 May 2014 (UTC) PS: Looking more close at the revision history, the page has already been propose several times for deletion and every time the template has been change or eliminated by the user who created the article or an IP. Please, an admin need to look at the article.

It is permitted to remove a BLP-prod template if a reference is provided that verifies what the article says. The reference added here does not. Rather than simply replace the BLP-prod, I will nominate this at WP:Articles for deletion. JohnCD (talk) 07:53, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Done, see Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Alexa Olvera. Thank you, Frei sein. JohnCD (talk) 08:13, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

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