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ARTPOP
R. Kelly is appearing on Lady Gaga's upcoming album, in track "Do What U Want", as appearing in Lady Gaga's Twitter and album's wiki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.148.185.195 (talk) 04:00, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
Untitled
MILTON! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Killivt03 (talk • contribs) 23:41, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
Real Talk
Why isn't there a section regarding the instant classic that is 'Real Talk.'
outdated
Are there any updates about his criminal proceedings?
- On the subject of his criminal stuff, the article says: "the release of a video tape in February 2002 that showed Kelly and a 14-year-old". Do we have to stick the word allegedly in there somewhere? I am not a legal expert. Akamad 11:50, July 26, 2005 (UTC)
- Yes, probably a good idea. Kelly has not been convicted of any crime and I presume this tape would be illegal if the girl really is 14. At least, in most jurisdictions. --Yamla 13:07, July 26, 2005 (UTC)
Does anybody know what the outcome of the Chicago pornography charges were? Have they gone to trial yet?
The case has yet to reach a conclusion. 67.87.27.111 19:59, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
- Do you have a source for that?? --Jaysscholar 16:36, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Trial
Does anyone in Chicago know if this case is going to trial. According to the article, it was filed over 5 years ago.
The Awesomely Bad Song
I noted it as You Remind Me of Something. It can be verified here: http://www.vh1.com/shows/dyn/50_most_awesomely_bad_songs/series_countdown.jhtml
67.87.27.111 19:59, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
- I don't understand. How can that be considered a bad song???!!! It's a great song! What could you possibly criticize? Great Lyrics, Great Music, Great singing? Um, I think those would be good things.
- The vh1 show concerned bad love songs. "Great Lyrics" is a very subjective statement?!? It is a song that you would play at a wedding reception? I think not.
- See Misplaced Pages is not a discussion forum. This page is to discuss how to improve the article, such as by sourcing praise and criticism of the artist's work rather than critiquing it ourselves in the article.Lawikitejana (talk) 18:32, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
- The vh1 show concerned bad love songs. "Great Lyrics" is a very subjective statement?!? It is a song that you would play at a wedding reception? I think not.
- I LOVE THAT SONG HOW IS IT A BAD SONG ITS IN MY IPOD — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.111.171.42 (talk) 21:08, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
Bald
How did he get un-bald. I know in bump and grind that wasn't just a cut. ? Does anyone know?--60.226.28.35 02:01, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
- I know one of you guys has an answer.
- Anyone?
He used rogaine, how else?-Chicken Joey
Birth year
I read both 1967 and 1969 as his birth year in various places. Can anyone tell we which is the correct one? - Andre Engels 10:55, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
- 1967. It says he was 27 at the time of his 1994 marriage on the certificate. --Fallout boy 09:16, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
- Hmm and it also says Aaliyah was 18 then. It's easy to cheat on these papers, isn't it? Lajbi Who's the boss? 16:58, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
Relative Importance
http://en.wikipedia.org/Millard_Filmore. I know MF is a dead white cat but RK is of interest only as a tabloid item, without near the importance to music history as say, Ike Turner, http://en.wikipedia.org/Ike_Turner Yet RK gets more space than both combined. Doesn't this show a problem with wikipedia? Edivorce.
No, it doesn't. If people are interested in MF and IT then they'll add information to those pages. Plus[REDACTED] doesn't need to economize on space.
"RK is of interest only as a tabloid item, without near the importance to music history as say, Ike Turner" This ignorant comment should be removed.
- I agree such opinions don't really belong here, although I 100% agree with this particular opinion. However, this is just the talk page -- these conversations will likely eventually be archived and no longer appear at this URL.--99.234.69.225 (talk) 23:02, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
It appears that R Kelly is suffering some severe Cognitive Dissonance, as can be seen in the song 'Bump N Grind' in which his mind is telling him no..... But his body, his body is telling him yes.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.204.37.173 (talk) 20:55, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
For more information on this theory on cognitive dissonance please refer to the article below:
Hope, M.R., & Langley, J.E. (2013). Cognitive Dissonance in popular culture. Journal of social psychology, 49 (3), 123-124
No intercourse?
What tape are they talking about? The one with R Kelly urinating on the girl (which we all know is widely available online) shows him having sex with her like 2 minutes before urinating on her. I want to give the author a chance to defend the comment, though; so I won't edit it myself. Is there another R Kelly tape with him urinating on ANOTHER girl?Scott Free 03:02, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- yah i agree, im sure there was intercourse, but i think it was because you couldnt actually see penis-vagina contact in the video, just there motions. though didnt he also have oral sex with her?, is that not considered intercourse?--Fabio 23:39, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
In all fairness the word "alleged" and "allegedly" should be used in all references to the videotape since it was ruled in court that he was innocent on all accounts of the charges brought forward against him. 76.171.92.226 (talk) 11:10, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
Excellent radio review of 'Trapped in the Closet'
Very funny review containing all last lines of Trapped in the Closet to give anyone who has not heard it a flavour
WHAT PERVERTED SOME OF A BITCH SAID THAT I BELIEVE I CAN FLY IS ABOUT SEX?
One hit and he's "one of the most successful artists of the late 90's?" Totally NPOV.
"In 2004 All of these alagations led to the hit song "Im going to pee on you" Which is one of R kellys best songs. This led to the remix of the song in late 2004"
That has to be vandalism...??? o.O
or sumbody very stupid who cant tell kelly from chappelle...funny though
The typos hurt the credibility of the discussors. R.K can have with lil black girls. If he had sex with lil white girls there would have been a federal trial. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.174.110.146 (talk) 15:22, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Date of birth
Can someone check out that date of birth...there's no way R. Kelly is just 30 years old...he's much closer to 40...look at the article about his career. larrysdiva
"pied piper of R&B"
This sounds more like an pundit's jab at Kelly's personal life. It's also the title of an unauthorized biography of R. Kelly. While it deserves to be mentioned, it probably should not be listed in the infobox that he is "also known as" this dubious honorific title, unless we have some sources saying embraces the humor at his expense, and even then I'm not so sure. — CharlotteWebb 02:46, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Erm.. he refers to himself as this in numerous songs, so I would reason that he embraces the name. Bengnc 02:59, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
^^True. And it fits him perfectly. He knows that his music is for rats and children. 143.166.226.40 16:22, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
>>I Agree that this article should include that R. Kelly is also known as The Pied Piper and self proclaimed King of R&B. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.74.112.232 (talk) 11:07, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Is this article a haven for idiots and morons?
You have a paragraph which begins by chronicling his arrest over child abuse then meanders into how many millions of records he has sold. For God's sake get a brain, cretins. If you're going to protect the page at least have the mentality to clean it up before you do so.
Pages like this prove that Misplaced Pages, and its pedantic 'wannabe editors', is an utter lost cause. 195.92.168.164 17:31, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
I don't think it's a lost cause; it is just recognized that partisans will camp out on an article and skew the consensus. It is still useful as a source. Just be aware that the BS factor will rise when you get to hot-button topics. See the Code Pink article for an example.
To answer your question; yes, I think so. R Kelly is plainly guilty as taped. Like Michael Jackson, the fans don't want to believe that their idol is worthless scum (possibly, some of them identify with him).
tp2.com
No direct album/chart/personal history information exists around tp2.com - it just skips from R. to Best Of Both Worlds. What gives?
Back to the Hood of Things
Hello,
I just wanted to say that out of all the songs R made why is Back to the Hood of Things on the page. PLEASE pick another one!!! He is not known for that song. Heck most people do not even know that song!!!
Thanks and have a good day. A True Fan JLK
r.kelly
trapped in the cloest chapters 13-22 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Coolman09 (talk • contribs) 01:05, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Redundancy
This article states at least three times that he still faces 14 charges, as if it were being stated initially, not in reference to a previous mention. This article needs some serious work.74.237.204.146 (talk) 04:58, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Associated Acts
How is R. Kelly associated with Nickeback and Maroon 5? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.74.112.232 (talk) 11:03, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
R. Kelly Acquitted
Updated the Kelly v. Illinois section to reflect the most recent development in his trial. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Byjupiter (talk • contribs) 19:20, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
death of mother NOT 1997
I haven't edited Misplaced Pages before but can someone change the date his mother death to 1993 NOT 1997.
r.kelly did it with kiesha cole also. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.225.1.74 (talk) 18:39, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
What?
"On June 6, 2002, Kelly was indicted on 21 counts of having sexual intercourse with a minor. These were later reduced to soliciting a minor for child pornography, for which he was acquitted on June 13, 2008. named it as the 408th of its top 500 songs of all time."
What is this? Deliogul (talk) 16:05, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
music search for a song r kelly song and 2003 or 2004
August 10, 2009 I'am trying to find a song that the artist song and 2004 or 2003 that was on CD recording music which I may not be spelling this single one song I like that he song the title of this song on this cd which was..Winne with you if you could response back to me please like me know tonight so I could order the Cd online please Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.176.120.254 (talk) 08:28, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Seperate the art from the artist
We should always separate the Art from the Artist! No matter what your thoughts are positive or negative of R. Kelly's personal life, he is arguably one of the greatest living song writers of our time. He writes hit songs not only for himself but for artist ranging from Celine Dion to OJ Da Juiceman, from mainstream to gospel, to classical to pop. Who else other than possibly Dianne Warren is doing that? It is because of his indiscretions, he is really over looked as a relevant and prolific songwriter, accept among his core audience. If you ever go to an R.Kelly concert, his repertoire of songs will amaze you! The bottom line is that no matter what you think of him personally, the man a is a genius at what he does. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.6.148.45 (talk) 05:11, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
vocal type
since R. Kelly is a singer, his vocal type should be included in the article. (tenor, contralto, baritone, etc) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.241.6.206 (talk) 19:14, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Instruments
Which instruments are Kells able to play? The article lists "Vocals, piano, keyboards, auto-tune". He can be seen playing the bass guitar, competently, in this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwXR3OqROrY
Can he play standard guitar as well? And does auto-tune count as an instrument? Shoplifter (talk) 00:43, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Origin
Someone changed his origin to "your moms ass". I don't know enough about R. Kelly to supply the actual information, but I did edit it, so there's now a blank space. Can someone fix it for real? 2xN (talk) 22:35, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
Make His Categories Like Jay-Z's, Michael Jackson, etc.
Were the singles are organised, it's a mess he has to many so can someone please make them like other artist and succesful as R. Kelly have? It will look like this
12 Play- Bump & Grind, Your Bodys Calling, It Seems Like Your Ready, Sex Me R. Kelly- You Remind Me, Down Low, I Can't Sleep Baby, Thank God It's Friday R.- I'm Your Angel, Half On A Baby, Home Alone, Did You Ever Think, If I Could Turn Back The Hands, Only The Loot Can Make Me Happy TP2.com- I Wish, Feeling On Your Booty, A Womans Threat, The Storm Is Over, Fiesta (remix) Chocolate Factory- Snake, Ignition (Remix), Step In The Name Of Love Happy People/U Saved Me- Happy People, U Saved Me TP3 Reloaded- Trapped In The Clostet, In The Kitchen, Playa's Only, Slow Wind, Burn It Up Double Up- I'm a Flirt (remix), Same Girl Untitled- Number One, Echo —Preceding unsigned comment added by SupaCrazy (talk • contribs) 18:14, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
"Ballad Musicians"
I believe R. Kelly should be under this list, being that he is somewhat notorious for writing Pop, R&B and Gospel ballads. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.137.225.180 (talk) 08:18, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
Template editing required
No singles are on there like the others. a template called r. kelly singles discography or something isnt on the page so it might not exist so in that case singles are supposed to be added on the r. kelly template —Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.56.174.158 (talk) 09:26, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
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Birth Date
The article says 1967, and the sidebar says 1969? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.254.251.46 (talk) 02:09, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
Whitney Houston relationship
Although it's clearly important, I think that it belongs in the body text of the article and not in the lead. 72.47.150.42 (talk) 02:42, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
Too much information in the 'legal issues' section?
Do any other people think that we go into a bit too much detail about the allegations in this section? Given that most of the charges were dropped and he was acquitted of the ones that went to trial, I think saying so much about it verges on violating WP:BLP. This section should be cut back to a few sentences at most. Robofish (talk) 02:14, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
- I think the length is justified, but I've edited it to mention right at the start (and in the title) that it ends in aquittal. Gronky (talk) 03:53, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
- Actually, the second paragraph is too verbose. It could be about half its current length. All the refs should be kept but it's not necessary to list the reasons for each delay. Fixing this is on my mental todo list but it's not a job for today. Gronky (talk) 12:46, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
Aaliyah?
why is there no mention of R. Kelly's secret marriage to Aaliyah? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.95.207.62 (talk) 01:10, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
Please remove a poorly cited statement
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Under the Legal Issues section, it contains the following sentence:
"Officers found an unusual amount of commercially manufactured and distributed adult porn in a room."
Initially, I found that statement strange. An "unusual amount?" What is a "usual" amount? I was going to reword it to say "Officers found other commercially manufactured adult porn in the house," but I decided to follow the citation and see what EXACTLY it said. As it turns out, it said nothing. That is, at no point in the cited article supporting that sentence was ANY mention made of commercial or other adult pornography being found at the house.
On those grounds, I would like to have the sentence removed. Please leave the citation, as it is used for other sentences in the page; just remove the sentence I quoted above. I would just do it myself, but the page is semi-protected.
Thanks.
71.194.203.37 (talk) 06:06, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
Done. The ref didn't actually support the other sentence it was used for either, but I was able to replace that with a different reference. BryanG (talk) 21:22, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
Proposed topic - History of Statutory Rape-Related Civil Lawsuits
History of Statutory Rape-Related Civil Lawsuits
From the early 1990's until the late 2000's, dozens of lawsuits and related documents, such as affidavits, were filed against Kelly for his alleged engagement in inappropriate sexual relationships with children between the ages of thirteen and sixteen years old. One such suit alleges that R. Kelly recruited girls from Chicago high school Kenwood Academy to have group and individual sex with him, paying them with for the acts with athletic shoes. The suit came to light after one such young girl attempted suicide. Another suit alleges that Kelly forced a young girl into an abortion having begun an inappropriate sexual relationship with her on the night of her prom. Multiple videotapes emerged during this period in association with these accusations. Nevertheless, most of the lawsuits were settled outside of court. As a result, Kelly has never seen trial in a civil or criminal court for sexual assault of a minor.
Hopper, Jessica (16 December 2013). "Read the "stomach-churning" sexual assault accusations against R. Kelly in full". The Village Voice (New York).
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/2013/12/read_the_stomac.php — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.139.60.55 (talk) 11:40, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
Add short summary of legal proceedings to Lead section
WP:LEAD and WP:BLP state that lead sections should be: notable, neutral, and include "controversy" with appropriate historical weight.
Proposing to add the following as a 4th lead paragraph:
Kelly is also well-known for his acquittal in a high-profile child pornography trial and civil suits alleging sex with a minor. http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-4563809.html
This meets all of the aforementioned criteria for BLP and LEAD and is a necessary part of Kelly's public and historical life story. Many people know Kelly not for his music at all, but rather for his high-profile trial and related court settlements. A good analogy would be O.J. Simpson's Misplaced Pages entry, which follows the same logic in mentioning his legal proceedings, as many people know him for those and not for his impressive football career.
"Allegations of statutory rape," though a legally-sound and factually-based description, has raised some concerns, so because not all states use that terminology, it has been replaced with "civil suits alleging sex with a minor."
Knarfin (talk) 05:25, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
Absent any discussion, this edit has been made. Knarfin (talk) 00:01, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
'2014-present'
That subheading doesn't make sense. Shiningroad (talk) 23:10, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
- I agree, and have changed the title of this section to 'Future projects'. Robofish (talk) 23:32, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
- I'd remove the section and document those things if/when they happen rather than listing predictions for the future. Saying "I plan to do X" or "Ms. Y is interested in doing something with me" isn't notable enough to get a place in an encyclopedia. Gronky (talk) 15:59, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
R. Kelly himself was abused as a child
this certainly doesn't excuse him, but it's vital in empathizing with him.
he's also mentioned this in live interviews etc.
it needs to be included — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr.mozambique (talk • contribs) 16:18, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
legal issues
I've repeatedly attempted to illustrate the arrest of Sylvester in Florida on child pornography charges by using a public domain image taken by the State of Florida, yet editor Wearypoet has repeatedly removed the image using a baseless claim of "copyright infringement" as their original rationale, and now claims "trolling". I've stated to Wearypoet that if they believe the image to be infringing then it should be nominated for deletion (which has not been done, because it isn't). It should be noted that Poet's previous edits to this section are largely attempts at content removal or censorship which have been reverted by other editors. So, I will simply ask: @Wearypoet: what is your specific objection to inclusion of this image, and the policy rationale for your content removal? -- dsprc 19:44, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
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