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A few accounts have stated, I think, something about wanting to participate in my edits. They stated as angry accusations that I have done edits all by myself, despite the Introduction and Tutorial encouraging me to do so. Their critical tone hid what they were saying, if anything. However, I'm perfectly willing to use the help me box more often. If you write a message, please consider the possibility that you're wrong and be as calm & polite as possible.

Personal attacks

Chuck, please stop adding the "personal attack" tag when there are no personal attacks. Please refer to the this page - you should not refactor comments on your actions - respond to them instead. --mtz206 (talk) 22:53, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

It says "Personal attacks are the parts of a comment which can be considered personally offensive and which have no relevant factual content." In my opinion, all of the comments were personal attacks which had almost no factual content. --Chuck Marean 23:35, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Let's start over

Chuck: Twice now you have removed large discussions from your talk page and , claiming, in general, that you've been the victim of "unfriendly messages," "personal attacks" and that they contain "no factual content." Nothing can be further from the truth. Virtually all of the messages have been in good faith, patient, calm, helpful, and yes, ??sometimes stern, in trying to guide your usage and understanding of the Misplaced Pages project and its various policies and guidelines. Misplaced Pages is not an experiment in anarchy. If you feel the need to continually ignore the guidance of other members of this community, perhaps this is not the place for you. As it is, I fear you are exhausting the community's patience.??

But, let's assume that best and hope you want to stick around and make positive contributions to this encyclopedia project. In that spirit, let me remind you of a few helpful pages:

• Welcome page
• The five pillars of Misplaced Pages
• What Misplaced Pages is not
• Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines and Misplaced Pages simplified ruleset
• Assume good faith
• Stay cool and be civil
• While you should be bold with edits, it is best to discuss and draft significant graphical layout overhauls

As always, please let me know if I can help in any way. --mtz206 (talk) 03:36, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

I've used italics to show the parts of you're message I consider to be the wrong kind of bold. Using the word to mean impertinent is old fashioned. The modern meaning of the word is confident. I think they mean be confident.--Chuck Marean 05:41, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

The point you are misunderstanding, is that "they" is represented by us. This is a completely volunteer-powered project. The community only works because we stick by the policies/habits/prior-decisions/principles (whatever you want to call them) a sample of which is linked above. Furthermore, Misplaced Pages is only able to maintain its consistent improvement and appearance, and its international appeal, through those same principles.

You are chatting here with aussies and brits and canucks and danes and who knows what else... We are the people who sweep the floors and do the paperwork for this fascinating place.

Because this is such an international project, we often try to use a very formal and unambiguous way of phrasing/explaining/discussing things with eachother. This can sometimes strike people as bossy/rude, but is almost never intended that way. Especially, we don't tend to use subtle sarcasm, which I think is what you intended in the above comment, and possibly how you were assuming the "tone" to be in much earlier messages from us to you? It's simply too unlikely to get across cultural/linguistic barriers. That is the secondary meaning of "assume good faith": please please read all past/future comments on talk pages with the assumption that they were written with a positive spirit/tone/inflection/smile, and with only the best purposes of the project in mind. We all just want this to be the most profoundly important encyclopedia ever created, and would like you and everyone else in the world to help. And that works the most smoothly, if we follow these oft-mentioned routines/habits/policies/principles. That's why it all works. Sincerely, -Quiddity 06:49, 8 July 2006 (UTC)