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03 February 2015

– This SPI case is closed and will be archived shortly by an SPI clerk or checkuser.

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• ARTEST4ECHO (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• AsteriskStarSplat (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

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Talk:Desdemona Wadsworth Fullmer Smith: Quick synchronized voting and edits. Kbabej (talk) 19:18, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

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Kbabej has a content dispute with both ARTEST4ECHO and myself on Desdemona Wadsworth Fullmer Smith, and we happen to be editing at the same time on the same article; synchronicity happens. Sockpuppet investigations are not a proper venue for resolving such a dispute, but I'm willing to volunteer for checkuser oversight if needed to get the focus back on the edits, and not the editors. And to be clear I have no relationship with ARTEST4ECHO outside of WP, but we both are members of Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement, and we both actively edit in articles related to that subject, so we run across each other fairly frequently. * 19:53, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Please note that Kbabej has stated "This almost smells like sockpuppetry" on my talk page. The "almost" in this statement speaks to me of a degree of disingenuity about this request. If they do not believe sockpuppetry has occurred, how can Kbabej be wholly acting in good faith here? Once a check user comes back in the negative, I'd expect an apology from them for escalating a simple content dispute in this way. * 20:16, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

I went back and removed "almost" from your talk page, adding the appropriate tags to show a word had been changed. I've had content edit stuff with people before, and haven't escalated anything. You stated that you have no issue being investigated, and therefore should have nothing to worry about. I do think that your quick synchronized edits on the Desdemona page, and having worked together before, look suspicious. My request is genuine, especially considering your support between accounts of removing a source that is very commonly used on Misplaced Pages. Also, stating what you expect from me here apology wise has nothing to do with them investigating you for sockpuppetry. As an aside, that apology won't be forthcoming, because it seems as if you have targeted an article that uses common references for some arbitrary reason. That is neither here nor there, however. --Kbabej (talk) 20:25, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

User:ARTEST4ECHO response:
I am not a Sockpuppet of User:AsteriskStarSplat. If it helps I can show examples of how we are not the same person

1. We have disagree each other on a number of occasions, such as at Homosexuality and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
2. AsteriskStarSplat has undo some of my edits, such as at Belfry Players. Why would I make an edit as myself, then undo it as AsteriskStarSplat?
3. AsteriskStarSplat has asked me if it would bother me if he deleted a page I created, which I then agreed to put it up for deletion myself. (see here). Why would I ask myself to delete something I created (to be nice), then put it up as myself in response, especially when I can request deletion at any time for pages I created?
4. I have notified AsteriskStarSplat about ANI boards that I opened that involve him in the past. Why would I bother to notify myself?
5. AsteriskStarSplat has answered a number of questions for me in the past on subjects I don't know about, such as at Brian David Mitchell and John D. Lee. Why (and how) would I ask and answer my own questions?

I admit I agree with AsteriskStarSplat on Desdemona Wadsworth Fullmer Smith, which is why Kbabej is upset. However, I first I attempted to help Kbabej improve the page (see here) before AsteriskStarSplat commented on the notability of Desdemona Smith. I had already felt that notability was an issue, so when AsteriskStarSplat commented on it I was forced to agreed with him and suggest a merge.--- ARTEST4ECHO 21:19, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

• Skeptical comment. I am reasonably familiar with both User:AsteriskStarSplat and User:ARTEST4ECHO. They both do edit often in Latter Day Saint-related areas, but it has never crossed my mind that they are sockpuppets of one another, and I find it to be highly unlikely that there is any connection whatsoever apart from a coincidence in editing interest. As noted, there have been instances of disagreement between the two, and they just overall they each have unique styles of editing and interacting. I guess it won't do any harm to run a check, but I hardly think it's necessary. Good Ol’factory 03:21, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

•  Clerk declined No substantial evidence has been presented to suggest there is sockpuppetry here. The editor interaction tools I've looked at suggest these accounts belongs to two different individuals. Mike V • Talk 03:48, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

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