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help me in using my talk page

--nids 23:16, 8 July 2006 (UTC) nidhish

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easy

many people of the not too intelligent variety tried to downplay the affair by arguing totally beside the point that the ban didn't matter much, since hardly any Indian can read Rushdie's English.


removing passages like this does not qualify as vandalism, not in my book. you did not give any reasons for your changes. maybe you can explain a little what you want to say on the article's talk page... please don't threaten so quickly and sign your comments--trueblood 18:00, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

your style was hardly neutral, Nidhishsinghal. If you are quoting someone, provide your source before complaining that you are reverted. Please see WP:NPOV. dab (ᛏ) 18:04, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

yep, gimme the link, the quote would be interesting, i think the article already said, that rushdie apologized at some point. maybe somebody took that off. i have a look.--trueblood 18:22, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

After the death of Khomeini in 1989, Rushdie published an essay in 1990, In Good Faith, to appease his critics and issued an apology in which he seems to have reaffirmed his respect for Islam. However, Iranian clerics did not retract the fatwa..

this passage is in the satanic verses article, which has a more extensive timeline of the controversy. check out the article, is that enough?--trueblood 18:26, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

the opening statement of this section is just the mere fact and i just intended to bring in light the narrowmindedness of many of my fellow indians, who just argued beyond the point to support the ban on rushies books. in my view this was similar to shah bano case. no wise indian would have been offended by renouncing this statement. nids 17:40, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

please help if you can

i read ,amazingly if true, that sunderbans are not natural forestlands, but manmade ones. and most likely to be implanted by britishers during their colonial rule. as a proof of it, it is known that the trees in sunderbans are in a straight line contrary to the principles of nature where they should have been in random order as seen on all the natural jungles. if anyone can vindicate or reprove it by via authetic source i shall be grateful to him email: nidhishsinghal123@yahoo.com --nidhishsinghal

re: seeking information

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Hi - first off, I have no profound knowledge. I'll be only to happy to offer my opinions on any question you have, but this usually degenerates into a sermon, so ask only if you want to read everything I end up writing. Don't accept my POV without cross-examination. If you want to ask more questions, go to "My Preferences," enable your e-mail and then e-mail me through the toolbox below the search bar. I'll answer your question now but WP is not the place for private discussions.

The short answer is - IMO, there is no identity in religion, because it is a quest for God and not about the issues of people. And now the long version, if you prefer to read it:

Buddhism is technically not a religion, because it doesn't have any philosophy of God. All Buddha was talking about was for individuals to attain moksha, liberation from karma. He did not try to explain life and the universe. Buddha rejected most Vedic teachings and ceremonies, so you can't really link Buddhism with the Vedas.

Both Mahavira and Buddha took a lot of crap from Brahmins because of their rejection of most Vedic teachings, which in turn caused the separation of Mahavira, Buddha and his followers from Vedic Hindus. Nevertheless, both Buddha and Mahavira firmly and clearly emphasized that they were not founding a new religion, as did Nanak subsequently.

Indian Buddhism behaved more like a reform of Hinduism, as ultimately it was re-absorbed into Hinduism, which imbibed Buddhist emphasis and practice seeking of moksha, ahimsa etc. Although the Jain leadership remained alienated from Brahmins, it is next to impossible to set a Hindu and Jain apart anywhere in the world. While the Buddhists and Jains may reject the Vedas, they have no canons of their own.

The view held by the British government and later pronounced by a Supreme Court decision in 1960s defines Hindus as adherents of the Vedas, and thus Jainism is mostly described as a different religion. Buddhism is defined by its spread across South and East Asia, and its recent practice in India is mainly by people of Indo-Tibetan lineage and the neo-Buddhism of Dr. Ambedkar's followers. This is the legal answer to your question.

I believe the real spirit of religion, explicitly those practised in India inherently emphasizes the equal importance of all endeavours to discover God. Consider the many different schools of Hinduism - Advaita, Vaishnavism, Shaivism, Shaktism, Swaminarayan, Smarta, etc., etc., etc. Consider the Sant Mat and Shamana traditions, and the teachings of Kabir and Sai Baba. Consider that 99% of Hindus have never read the Vedas, and that perhaps the most important text in Hinduism is the Bhagavad Gita, with considerable importance to the Upanishads and Puranas. And consider that the ancient Vedic religion is so different from Hinduism.

All of this is in the shade of grey, not black or white. Unlike in Christianity or Islam, there are no hard and fast rules. And these issues of identity and "separate religions" began with the British census in the 19th century, which caused most ethnic and religious communities in India to seek a separate status for themselves, so they would not be dominated by larger communities. Although there was a considerable gulf between Hindus and Muslims during Muslim rule, most Indians did not behave in the manner they do today. This identity issue is politics, not religion.

I was recently stunned to discover how much Nanak's teachings are akin to the Gita. Yet most Sikhs consider Sikhism a different religion. I don't disagree with them, nor do I feel any need to emphasize a separate identity. To me, the important element is the path one takes to God.

I honestly believe that Hinduism is about God, not people, which is why nobody has thought twice about creating different schools and philosophy. This openness encouraged people like Mahavira, Buddha, Kabir, Nanak, Sai Baba. The Vedas are just a collection of knowledge and not rules - one is supposed to find his/her own way to God. Compare this to Judaism, which declined to consider Christ or Muhammad as a prophet. Compare this to Christianity, which elevates Christ as Son of God and refused to accept Muhammad. To Islam, which criticizes Judaism and Christianity, the old and new Bible testaments, and rejects succeeding teachers like Baha'iullah and Ghulam Mirza Ahmad. Hindus, Sikhs, Jains and Buddhists had no hesitation in listening to Kabir or Sai Baba, nor paying respects to Haji Ali and other Sufi saints. Many Indians who became Muslims and Christians still continue this tradition.

Just cut and paste this whereever you want it:

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This user is a Hindu

This Fire Burns Always 16:29, 24 July 2006 (UTC)



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I got my degree from Mumbai University which gives BE in Computer Engineering. --Just my 2 cents -- Hemanshu 17:25, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Indo-Pakistani War of 1971

You asked for an assessment, not a peer review; hence, you'll probably have trouble finding the peer review details ;-)

More to the point, are you disagreeing with the "quality" or "importance" at which the article was rated? The two are somewhat different, so it would be helpful to know which one you think is incorrect. Kirill Lokshin 12:19, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

i think the importance is fine but quality could have been "A" atleast. nids 07:28, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

re: just for friendship

hmm . . . i'm not sure if i am the youngest one to have won the wikihalo. i don't even know how nomitnated me. yup, i am a male, and i do have a boyfriend. i had an ex-girlfriend but she broke up with me. oh well. yes, i can lick my elbow.. i found that out just a few days ago (i got steak sauce on it so i licked it off). yeah, i'm both swedish and german on my mom's side. i have no idea what i am on my dad's side (my mom died after i was born, and my dad committed suicied, like, when i was two or something). WereWolf 20:48, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Re:Mother tongues

What if Devaki was a Gujarati and Yashoda a Hindi-speaking person? What would be Krishna's mother tongue? And the practical fact is, I know Hindi much better than Gujarati, even as the latter is supposedly my "mother" tongue. I'm glad I could satisfy some of your curiousity. Rama's arrow - this Fire burns always 22:34, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

to answer your second question: check out WP:RCP. They have some software tools to help revert vandalism. Rama's arrow - this Fire burns always 03:41, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Your question on my talk page

i dont have much knowledge on the subject. but r u sayin, in ur talk page, that the sri lankan government carried out a pogrom. (and against whom). nids 11:45, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Please see Black July, it was carried out against the Sri Lankan Tamil minority and anybody who was not a majority Sinhalese such a Indian Tamils and others unfortunate enough to get cought. Thanks for your interest.RaveenS 14:01, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

hen halal?

In response to your question as to whether hen is halal as per strict traditional Islam: Misplaced Pages isn't the right place to request concrete information such as this because the answer is dependent upon interpretation of religion. Anything about religion is almost always a debatable topic. For a better answer, go to some website which has credibility and answers individual questions regarding Islam. But here is my opinion on it- I believe there is a consensus among Muslims that chicken(also hen, which is just the female) is one of the halal meats. This is because the only explicitly forbidden animal in the Quran is pig (swine). For an authoritative answer: http://www.islamicity.com/qa/userask.asp Starwarp2k2 21:48, 28 July 2006 (UTC)


Very few people I know are aware of the precise rules of dhabiha halal, and where they arise from. So I did some research to find out for myself, and the results were rather conclusive, surprisingly: the Quran has absolutely no mention of carnivorous animals being haraam. This idea of carnivorous animals being haraam comes from the Sunnah rather than the Quran (see "Hadith of Mohammad (pbuh) prohibiting eating of carnivorous animals"). I verified the first hadith mentioned on that website in Sahih Muslim, Book of Hunting and Slaughter, but could not find a source to verify the second hadith. The first hadith it mentions reads:

"...prohibited the eating of all fanged beasts of prey, and all the birds having talons."

Depending on the beliefs of each individual person, some people consider the Sunnah to be just as authoratative as the Quran itself, and some give it very little weight (it is a result of varying personal confidence, as well as the divide between Sunni and Shia). But regardless of how much weight, more or less, one gives to the Sunnah and Hadith, it boils down to the analysis of the words "fanged beasts of prey". I don't consider a chicken to classify as a "fanged beast of prey", and I'm sure many people agree with me.

Conclusion: The Quran DOES NOT forbid the consumption of carnivorous animals at all. The sunnah, on the other hand, forbids "fanged beasts of prey", and that is where opinion comes in. If you classify a chicken as a fanged beast of prey, it is haram. If you don't, similar to most people, then it is halal. If you have questions, don't hesitate to ask. Hopefully the research I did was accurate.Starwarp2k2 03:38, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Correct, the Quran does not forbid carnivorous animals. Technically, neither does the Hadith which I mentioned. What it does, technically, is forbid "fanged beasts of prey, and all the birds having talons". That phrase is generally oversimplified to "carnivorous animals".

I do not believe chickens have fangs, nor do they have talons, thus they are halal. I do not have easy access to chickens to verify any of this, but here is the result of my research:

Talons: "The claws in chickens are relatively short and not greatly curved and serve the function of scratching."

Teeth: "A new study shows that chickens, which don't have teeth, still have the genes that make them, and in special cases, those genes can be switched back on."

From what I researched, the chicken definately does not classify as having fangs. It has claws, but the intent and nature of those claws are for scratching and not predatory purposes. This is debatable, but to get a final answer on that debate, one would need to consult a chicken feet expert and seek his/her opinion. Since I am not a chicken feet expert, and I highly doubt that you are either, neither of us can resolve this debate with confidence. With the knowledge I possess, I believe that chicken is halal according to the Quran as well as Sunnah, but it is moderately debatable.

Other than the mentioned, what have you read which renders chicken as haram? And be extremely, EXTREMELY wary of any translation that is abridged. Even a full translation of the Quran from Arabic to any other language lacks a great deal ("lost in translation"), something abridged is guaranteed to offer you many errors. I've even found a GREAT deal of variation, even among two different full translations of the Quran. Wording can be a very very tricky thing.

I do not know enough regarding Sufism to offer an opinion on it, but I do know that "Sufism" is not forbidden in both Quran and Hadith explicitly. There are interpretations of both which may result in the opinion that Sufism does not agree with Islam, but be aware that it is an interpretation of the Quran and Hadith. Neither explicitly forbid Sufism.

I understand that your inquiries, which I see are numerous and not limited to the subjects of chickens, are in good faith. I'm glad to see that people are discussing matters such as religion, there is enough misunderstanding in this world and anything we can do to change that is energy well spent. If you need any further help on any Islam related subject, I do not consider myself an authority but will do my best in answering any questions you have, either with knowledge or research.Starwarp2k2 02:00, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Qur'an Questions

Hi, I have answered the questions you asked on the Qur'an talk page to the best of my ability. BhaiSaab 22:56, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Trips to India

I actually have 2 trips to India planned in the next two months. :) First to Delhi, then to Bangalore.--Jimbo Wales 11:09, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

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