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August 19, 2015 (2015-08-19) (Wednesday)
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- Following a July 15 hacking, user data of the infidelity-promoting dating website Ashley Madison is leaked with over 30 million users having their information compromised. (BBC)
- Police in the U.S. city of St. Louis, Missouri make nine arrests and use tear gas to disperse protesters after a killing of an armed man allegedly aiming a gun at police officers earlier in the day. (CNN)
- A drive by shooting outside of a Boys & Girls Club in Rochester, New York leaves three people killed and four injured. (WGRZ)
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Eston Kohver
Article: Eston Kohver (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Allegedly abducted Estonian Internal Security Service officer Eston Kohver is sentenced to 15 years in prison in Russia for spying. (Post)
News source(s): New York Times, BBC
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Article updatedNominator's comments: Russia entered a neighboring country and kidnapped an officer, then prosecuted him as a spy, is a serious breach of international peace. Russia's claims of course should have very little weight - the Russian border troops agreed with the Estonian interpretation, and Russia has shown that they are willing to serially lie about Ukraine without shame. Thue (talk) 15:50, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
- We are not here to right great wrongs.--WaltCip (talk) 17:53, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose In the grand scheme of alleged abuses by the Russian government this is pretty small potatoes. We don't normally post these kinds of small scale criminal acts which occur in many other places. And I concur with WaltCip that this is a nakedly political nomination. I seriously considered either a speedy close or just deleting it outright. If someone else were to do so, I would not complain. Thue may wish to take a look at WP:AGENDA. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:04, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
- "Small scale criminal acts"? That is an absolutely absurd description of a high-level international dispute. I question your judgement based on that formulation. Thue (talk) 18:28, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
- I stand by my assessment. Look around at what other countries do to their neighbors at various times, some of which is much worse and 99% of which we don't post. This is borderline trivial and the nominating statement sounds like an anti-Russian rant. This is not the place for that. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:33, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
- This is big politics between nation-states. I do think that there is a clear right and wrong in this case, but that does not stop it from being real important news. Thue (talk) 18:27, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
- We don't post saber-rattling from North Korea every time they threaten to nuke Seoul and the USA off the face of the earth, because it happens with such frequency as to be considered a tacit part of their day-to-day operations. Similarly, Russia engaging in this sort of political posturing is not newsworthy for ITN.--WaltCip (talk) 18:56, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose I agree with the sentiment that Russian political skirmishes are quite frequent and not generally significant enough to post to ITN. When I initially read this nomination I thought it was about an Estonian government minister. I misread - he's an intelligence officer, and the article possibly falls foul of WP:BLP1E. "Allegedly abducted" is non-neutral for the blurb and should be omitted. The rest of the nom is unashamedly partisan (that the news reports are more tempered is saying something), which is off-putting if this is a serious ITN candidate. Fuebaey (talk) 20:53, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose per the reasons stated; this seems a relatively minor international dispute. Estonia (and by extension NATO) is not going to go to war over this. 331dot (talk) 21:00, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
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Ashley Madison data breach
Article: Ashley Madison (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Hackers release the personal information of more than 30 million users of the dating and infidelity website Ashley Madison in one of the largest data breaches of its kind. (Post)
News source(s): Wired Reuters PC Mag
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Nominator's comments: Major news throughout North America, where the site mainly operated. In addition to the tawdry nature of a story involving a website where people go to cheat on their spouses, this is being viewed as a watershed moment for online privacy concerns and the "hacktivist" movement: Kudzu1 (talk) 15:40, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
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- Haha, 1/6th of this continent's married people are on this adultery site alone. Don't euphemize, it's not a dating and infidelity website, it's a site for finding an adulterer you don't know (not i.e. the pool boy or neighbor or co-worker) and not in a bar to make it less obvious. If I recall it even says that unmarrieds are less likely to get contacted cause they want someone who's taking as much risk as they are. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 16:32, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
- Undecided this is a major breach of information that highlights the need for improved data security. I just don't know if this story reaches the ITN level though, since a lot of people will dismiss it because the victims of this hack "had it coming" or whatever. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:20, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
- Surely there were other major cybersecurity breaches in the past that were more deserving of posting than this particular story?--WaltCip (talk) 17:51, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose It's a privacy breach, unfortunately, but as only the 4 last digits of CCs used were stored and no SS #s , it is far less troublesome than other data breeches. As a private non-financial company, this is just something that is a bad business practice but not the issue that if a bank or CC company or gov't server got hacked. --MASEM (t) 20:12, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
RD: Khaled al-Asaad
Article: Khaled al-Asaad (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Los Angeles Times BBC
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: Described by the Los Angeles Times as "a world-renowned scholar of antiquities" and by NBC as "one of Syria's most prominent antiquities scholars". Seems to have been pretty important in his field. Everymorning (talk) 13:47, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
Neon gas in the lunar atmosphere
Articles: Atmosphere of the Moon (talk · history · tag) and LADEE (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: NASA spacecraft LADEE confirms the existence of neon gas in the atmosphere of the Moon. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Analysis of data recorded by the NASA spacecraft LADEE confirms the existence of neon gas in the atmosphere of the Moon.
News source(s): Daily Mail UK NDTV
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Nominator's comments: Important finding. 117.192.163.35 (talk) 15:39, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose unless someone can explain how this is significant. Is it evidence of extraterrestrial life? Probably not. Does it reveal something exciting and previously unknown about the origins of the Moon? I'm not sure about that. Does it suggest that enterprising businesses could figure out a way to turn the surface of the Moon into a gigantic illuminated sign? Hmm... -Kudzu1 (talk) 15:53, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose, you have provided no reason why it is important, and the refs in the article are primary sources; a press release (which I will remove) and a scientific article. Abductive (reasoning) 15:55, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- Who has said they are? Most business related nominations involve the reporting of the transaction announcement, not simply the press release. 331dot (talk) 19:51, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- I'm thinking of the recent debate over the proposed merge of Time-Warner Cable and another company, in which a press release was somehow considered newsworthy. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 21:08, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- Fair enough. 331dot (talk) 21:34, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- For youse guys' information, The problem with the proposed purchase of Time Warner by Comcast was almost certainly never going to happen, and it didn't. μηδείς (talk) 01:21, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose per above comments. Significance is not at all clear. I remain open to reconsideration if the nomination rational and sourcing issues are improved. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:36, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- Weak oppose unless the significance can be better explained. 331dot (talk) 19:52, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- Weak support This certainly could be important, for example for future ISRU efforts perhaps. Nothing immediate, however. - OldManNeptune ⚓ 20:08, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose The sourcing isn't the issue (I don't get the aversion here of primary sources, they are often the best sources in science), but it's hardly world shocking news. Fgf10 (talk) 21:38, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- Weak oppose A noble suggestion, but not parked on the main page. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:47, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support Interesting piece of information, even if not immediately significant. This may not be a groundbreaking discovery, but groundbreaking discoveries are built on fundamental work like this one. Banedon (talk) 00:53, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose this is the confirmation of the detection of trace amounts of a gas which would be expected to be produced by nuclear decay of radioactive elements. It's absence would have been unexpected. It's not at all unexpected. It's simply the first time we've looked with a sophisticated enough instrument. μηδείς (talk) 01:15, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
- Just wanted to point out that the detection of the Higgs boson is similar to what you wrote in many ways: its existence is predicted by the Standard model, and it was only detected because it's the first time we looked for it with a sufficiently sophisticated instrument. Banedon (talk) 04:00, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
- We already know neon is produced by radioactive decay, we know its properties, and it was not just predicted to exist in small quantities as it leaked out of the moon's crust, it was fully expected, to the point of not finding it fit with no theories. The value of the Higg's boson was an unknown (although a certain range was predicted) and it's non-existence was considered a possibility. The analogy is between the discovery of neon itself and of the Higgs boson, not between the discovery of neon leaking from the moon and the existence and nature of the Higgs boson. μηδείς (talk) 16:14, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support - it is notable because, until now, studies had shown the existence of only two gases in abundance (helium and argon) in the lunar atmosphere. With this confirmation, there's a third. What's the point in asking for its significance/use? If a new element is discovered on earth, do we check if that element is "exciting" or useful to mankind and then post the blurb? In this case, the discovery itself is significant. It is an interesting piece of scientific news; two of the linked articles are GA. I don't see why this shouldn't be on ITN. 1.39.60.68 (talk) 12:31, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
- Which are also the products of radioactive decay. There's a reason why it's 100,000,000,000,000 times thinner than Earth's atmosphere. It's barely an atmosphere if it's just atoms circumnavigating the entire Moon in a few bounces before hitting any gas particle. And probably bouncing high enough to escape the Moon after only a few gas atom hits needing to be constantly replaced with new alpha particles and decay products of potassium and sodium and stuff.. Though if it's only the third gas detected in the lunar atmosphere in any quantity that's still pretty cool. I don't know. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 16:59, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
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- The U.S. Internal Revenue Service, which announced an extensive computer data breach in May 2015, reveals that the breach is much deeper and more serious, exposing an additional 220,000 individuals. The thieves had infiltrated a now-deactivated online system called "Get Transcript." (AP via MSN), (USA Today)
- Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi approves a controversial anti-terrorism law. Proponents say it will help fight terrorism, and opponents say the legislation will jeopardize civil rights including freedom of the press. (Al Jazeera), (BBC)
- Authorities charge a former police officer with second degree murder, in connection with the on-duty shooting death of John Geer in Fairfax, Virginia, U.S., in August 2013. (NBC Washington)
- American actor Emile Hirsch takes a plea for 15 days in jail for an assault on a Paramount Pictures executive at the Sundance Resort in Utah. (Deadline)
Politics and elections
RD: Jacob Bekenstein
Article: Jacob Bekenstein (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Scientific American FQXi
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: Not a household name, certainly, but an influential and important physicist who came up with a formula for black hole thermodynamics, which influenced Stephen Hawking. Also known for the Bekenstein Bound and as a recipient of important prizes and awards in his field, including the Landau Prize, the Rothschild Prize, and the Einstein Prize. Kudzu1 (talk) 15:59, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
Move Tianjin chemical explosions to Ongoing?
Article: 2015 Tianjin explosions (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
Shall we move 2015 Tianjin explosions to ongoing ticker? We are getting newer stories lately, but death toll is rising, and more explosions are happening. --George Ho (talk) 19:58, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
- There seems little chance that this will drop off the bottom soon so no, oppose. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:59, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
- It's already at the bottom. --George Ho (talk) 23:45, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
- And what is "ongoing"? It's not in the news any longer. The Rambling Man (talk) 05:09, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
David Denson
No consensus to post. A good nomination and yet vehement opposition has resulted in a quick close. Perhaps a DYK could come from this if really necessary? The Rambling Man (talk) 18:58, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
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Article: David Denson (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: David Denson comes out as the first openly gay Major League Baseball-affiliated player. (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
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Nominator's comments: Largely covered and revolutionary in the world of athletics. Thechased (talk) 18:14, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose Twenty or even ten years ago this would have been major news. Today, given the tectonic shift in public attitudes about sexuality capped by the recent SCOTUS decision on gay marriage, it rates little more than a yawn. As I have said ever since the SCOTUS ruling, the battle over gay rights in the West is now pretty much over. This and the many similar stories that have, and will continue to pop up, are just a reflection of that reality. Someone drop me a line when Russia or Saudi Arabia legalizes gay marriage. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:21, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose. I suspect this will be AFD'd fairly soon, since he certainly fails WP:NBASE and I would wager that the majority of even the most diehard baseball fans have never heard of him (pinging Baseball Bugs who may have an opinion). As Ad Orientem says above, "xxx comes out as gay" is no longer a story in Western countries, unless it's a figure like a religious leader where their sexuality is actually germane to their job. (Note that Keegan Hirst, who just came out as the first gay British Rugby League player, doesn't even have an article on Misplaced Pages.) ‑ iridescent 18:29, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose and I created the article. I disagree with Iridescent about AfD, since I believe it passes WP:GNG. (Though, yes, I'd never heard of him until yesterday.) I nominated it for DYK, which I think is more appropriate than ITN. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:32, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
- I think AfD is a real possibility. I am not seeing anything that rings the notability bell here. To the extent he is getting a lot of coverage right now I think that can be filed under WP:BLP1E. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:55, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
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2015 Ratchaprasong bombing
Article: 2015 Ratchaprasong bombing (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: At least 19 people are killed when a bomb explodes in Bangkok, Thailand. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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The Rambling Man (talk) 13:18, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
- Official figures released at 22:00 give "approximately" 18 dead and 117 injured. Best I could find was a screenshot of the document posted on Twitter though. --Paul_012 (talk) 17:06, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
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2015 Douma air strikes
Article: 2015 Douma market massacre (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Air strikes launched by the Syrian government kill at least 80 people in Douma, Syria. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Air strikes launched by the Syrian government kill more than 96 in Douma, Syria.
News source(s): New York Times CNN Reuters
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Nominator's comments: Very high death toll, lots of coverage in the news, has been called "one of the deadliest single incidents involving air strikes since the conflict began nearly five years ago..." Everymorning (talk) 02:14, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support Definitely ITN material, major death toll, deadliest single civilian attack in years.
Article requires some major improvements. Strongly suggest rename to 2015 Douma market massacre as referred to in , , , ... 495656778774 (talk) 14:44, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose there's a range of claims about civilian deaths in other events we haven't posted. The group Islam Army does not have a page - readers are likely to be confused about the rebel groups and factions, given territorial changes and the number of military groups that disband/defect/rename/form coalitions. Most news media outlets do not have their own people on the ground; in my opinion, users are not well served by articles that don't cover in detail the rebel groups and their allegiances. -- Callinus (talk) 11:25, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
- @Callinus: targeted rebel group does have a page, Jaysh al-Islam, wikilinked. Your only concern addressed.... 495656778774 (talk) 11:44, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support this is mayor terorrist atack in Syria. UN 'horrified' by attacks on civilians.--Jenda H. (talk) 17:05, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose. At this point most people know there's a war going on in Syria, and in a war, there are bound to be civilian casualties. This does not seem noteworthy enough to feature in my opinion, especially since we already have four disaster-related items featured right now. Banedon (talk) 09:20, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- @Banedon: Highest civilian death toll of a single attack since start of civil war, many disaster related items not a sufficient argument. e.g. post Nagasaki bombing and not Hiroshima because too many disasters happened that week! 495656778774 (talk) 19:59, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- I'm afraid we'll just have to agree to disagree. I still don't find it noteworthy - people die in a war, plain and simple. And many disaster-related items for me means that each new disaster-related item must be of ever-higher significance. Also as I mentioned on the talk page, if the Hiroshima and Nagasaki atomic bombings happened this week, I'd prefer to keep them condensed into one entry. Banedon (talk) 00:45, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support: the article is more notable than the 2015 Baghdad market truck bombing.--Fotoriety (talk) 09:45, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
2015 PGA Championship
Article: 2015 PGA Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: In golf, Jason Day (pictured) wins the 2015 PGA Championship, which is his first major title. (Post)
Alternative blurb: In golf, Jason Day wins the PGA Championship.
News source(s): USA Today New York Times
Credits:
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance. Everymorning (talk) 00:22, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
- @Ad Orientem: "Support per ITNR" is unnecessary, as the whole point of the ITNR list is that items on it don't need support on the merits, as ITNR gives a pass on the merits. The purpose of an ITNR discussion is only to discuss article quality and a blurb. 331dot (talk) 08:13, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support Quality seems fine. The article at least contains a prose summary of each round (not long summaries, but still each round is covered) and the tenses are correct and results are accurate. --Jayron32 15:16, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
- Weak support the article covers this seminal golf tournament's final round in about sixty words. That's pathetic, but it seems that our standards these days are such that a few sentences work. So no objection to this being posted under the current climate. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:13, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support: Updated article, ITN/R, don't see anything to hold up posting. -Kudzu1 (talk) 22:06, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support with alternative blurb: In golf, Jason Day wins his first major title, the 2015 PGA Championship. Sentence reads better to me, and is more concise too. Banedon (talk) 09:22, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- Comment "Jason Day won his first major title with a total score of 268 (−20), the lowest score in relation to par ever recorded in a major" - nothing newsworthy here ....
- Posted a borderline article. Stephen 23:44, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
2015 Netball World Cup
Article: 2015 Netball World Cup (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: In Netball, Australia beat New Zealand 58-55 in the 2015 Netball World Cup final. (Post)
Alternative blurb: The Netball World Cup concludes with Australia defeating New Zealand in the final.
News source(s):
Credits:
Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.Nominator's comments: Met some opposition four years ago, but was confirmed at ITNR as a sport worthy of posting here. Updated . AIRcorn (talk) 23:55, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support I've taken the liberty of adding the word "final" to the end of the blurb - otherwise one couldn't be sure that Australia had actually won the tournament. Neljack (talk) 09:53, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
Oppose on quality: No mention in the lead summarizing the tournament NOR naming the winner, Format section has no references. It's close to postable, but we should fix those few things before doing so. --Jayron32 15:18, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
- All good now. --Jayron32 16:23, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support. I've tidied up the article and fixed tenses etc, and added a couple of sentences to the lede to give a summary and the result. I've cited the Format section, it's a primary source but that's acceptable here and it cites everything in the paragraph. Black Kite (talk) 15:33, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
- Not ready this is the report that covers the whole of the final match, the most important match every four years in netball: "In the final Australia outplayed New Zealand in the first quarter to lead 16–7. Despite wining each of the next three quarters New Zealand were still beaten 58–55." NOT ENOUGH. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:11, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
- Added more detail. AIRcorn (talk) 22:28, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
RD: Bob Johnston
no trend toward support μηδείς (talk) 15:23, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
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Article: Bob Johnston (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Billboard
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: Iconic producer of the some of the greatest albums of the 60s and 70s. yorkshiresky (talk) 12:23, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- Very weak support on notability -- involved in some great albums, but I'm not sure about "iconic" -- but the article quality is not good. It will need to be improved in order for it to be considered for posting. -Kudzu1 (talk) 18:17, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose I'm not seeing much here that sets this guy apart. His association with famous people does not appear to have been a major contributing factor in their fame or musical success. If he had not produced these songs/albums would someone else not have? No awards or any kind of industry wide recognition of his standing/influence. And as Kudzu1 notes, the article has some serious sourcing issues that preclude its being linked on the Front page until they are fixed. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:09, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose no evidence whatsoever that he innovated in the ways George Martin and Phil Spector or others have. The latter part of his discography speaks of a mediocre journeyman, not a groundbreaking genius. μηδείς (talk) 01:20, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose doesn't clearly indicate significance, poor article, nothing much more here. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:14, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
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Trigana Air Service Flight 267
Article: Trigana Air Service Flight 267 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Trigana flight TGN267 with 54 passengers and crew on board crashes in West Papua, Indonesia. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Trigana Air Service Flight 267 crashes with 54 passengers and crew on board in West Papua, Indonesia.
News source(s): Mirror
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- Oppose posting just that it is missing; when it is found, declared to be lost, or some other definitive determination, we can post that if desired. Given the short flight it seems like it has a good chance of being found. 331dot (talk) 10:49, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support upon some expansion. The news I've read just now confirm it collided with a mountain. Brandmeister 11:58, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
Wait Support – BBC, Reuters confirm crash. For additional confirmation, expansion of target article. (BBC, AP, Reuters still say missing.) Sca (talk) 14:59, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support - possibly the deadliest ATR-42 accident. Mjroots (talk) 13:21, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- Wreckage found. Lugnuts 14:20, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- Cleaned up article, updated blurb. Ready? Sca (talk) 15:33, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support once the article is ready. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:12, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support Air crashes in southeast Asia are sadly quite common, but per precedent, they all get put in the ITN section. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 17:56, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- Wait until casualties are confirmed. -Kudzu1 (talk) 18:19, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- Update – Apparently site is too remote for quick confirmation. AP and NYT stick with "missing," while AFP says "rescue teams were heading to the site of an air crash ... after villagers found the wreckage...." Sca (talk) 20:50, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support it's a fatal hull loss, the fatalities are somewhat irrelevant oddly. Alt-blurb should be posted post-haste. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:51, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- Posted alt. T. Canens (talk) 21:26, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- Post-posting comment – I think we're okay with this, given circumstances, but from what I've read
no one in an official capacity has seen the wreckage yet. Sca (talk) 22:12, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- Note: West Papua needs disambiguating. The article gives the site as just Papua (province). Martinevans123 (talk) 22:16, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- Wreckage spotted. Sca (talk) 13:49, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
- Yep, we saw that many hours before you posted this, it's better to actually work on the article after it's been posted than to provide late updates to the item itself here. Thanks. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:01, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
- I did. Sca (talk) 00:27, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
RD: Julian Bond
Article: Julian Bond (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN, Yahoo, LA Times
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: Very notable civil rights activist. High on his field. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 09:14, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support upon update; meets DC2 and possibly DC1 for his work in establishing SNCC. A few paragraphs seem to need citation. 331dot (talk) 09:58, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support – A familiar voice to generations of Americans. A 900-word story, presumably pre-written, leads NYT. Could support blurb. Sca (talk) 12:20, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support on notability. Highly influential and noteworthy individual whose loss comes at an unfortunate time. -Kudzu1 (talk) 16:54, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support RD A leader of the American Civil Rights movement. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:14, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support monumental civil rights leader. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:34, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- Comment: Sourcing issues have been addressed and the article reorganized to be more readable. -Kudzu1 (talk) 18:11, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support - An important leader and clearly influential. Article in good condition as noted. Jusdafax 20:42, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- Comment some sourcing issues remain, but this is generally a little better than the average RD nom. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:46, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- Posted. T. Canens (talk) 21:20, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
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Ongoing Yemeni Civil War
Article: Yemeni Civil War (2015) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
News source(s): Yahoo news, Reuters, Fox News, Al Jazeera EN, WVTF, Press TV ect..., and also some social aspect Al Jazeera
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Nominator's comments: There is ongoing highly successful offensive against Houthi by saudi-backed forces. Jenda H. (talk) 13:10, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
August 14
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- Masked gunmen kill 19 people and wound seven others at multiple locations of São Paulo's suburbs Thursday night. (BBC), (ABC)
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New type of Pentagon tiling discovered
Article: Pentagon tiling (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Mathematicians at the University of Washington Bothell discover a new type of pentagon tiling (pictured), the first new type of tiling the plane with a single polygon discovered since 1985. (Post)
News source(s): NPR, The Guardian,
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Nominator's comments: It isn't often mathematical stories hit the news, and this one is being covered by NPR currently. The target article DOES need some work; it is updated but could use some referencing, I was hoping that some of the mathy people who patrol here might take this on as a project. An interesting story, from an underrepresented topic, is currently in the news. Maybe a nice change from the "death-sports-politics" cycle we always end up in. Jayron32 03:36, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support It is indeed rare that mathematical discoveries of this difficulty are accomplished. I would like to see it covered. For those unfamiliar with the problem 3, 4, 6 and all other numbers of sides are solved, the pentagon is not. Chillum 05:20, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
- Abstain Since I don't think this has anything to do with the office flooring in the War Department, and I don't have a clue as to what it is about, I will defer to the judgement of more competent editors. -Ad Orientem (talk) 06:18, 15 August 2015 (UTC).
- In layman's terms, there are only certain known shapes where you can take the exact shape and repeat it infinitely to "tile a plane" and leave no overlaps or gaps. Squares, triangles, and regular hexagons are all known to work, and such simple shapes have all been known to humanity for millennia to do such a thing. Discovering a new shape which can be repeated infinitely in such a way as to "tile a plane" is very rare, the last such known shape was discovered in 1985, and prior such shapes were discovered almost a century ago. It's exceedingly rare, and also a cool story for ITN for its novelty. As noted in my nomination, the target article is not up to standard, but the subject seems interesting enough, and I was hoping this nomination would inspire Wikipedians who actually do know this stuff (a set of people that does not include myself) may be able to fix up he article. --Jayron32 06:26, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
- Leaning toward oppose. a) The paper is unpublished (although admittedly, the pentagon itself has been published, so anyone can verify the results easily enough). b) This doesn't solve the pentagon tiling problem, it's just an (incomplete as of yet) brute-force attempt to find new pentagons. I'd compare this to finding a new largest prime number - it's an impressive bit of computer programming, but it doesn't tell us anything new. On the other hand, if someone found the rule that describes the distribution all prime numbers, that would be a massive breakthrough. Similarly, finding a new pentagon tiling is cool, but finding all the pentagon tilings (even if just by proof by exhaustion) would be more newsworthy. Smurrayinchester 10:16, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support on notability. It's not a terrorist bombing, and the discovery is obvious by visual inspection, there's no peer-reviewed source requirement, nor would it be needed. μηδείς (talk) 16:09, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support. Nah, you kliddin' me! I never even knew The Pentagon had tiles. But great to see it's keeping up to date. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:32, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
- Weak support following in-line citation improvement. Article definitely needs work with properly citing material to the appropriate source (WP:CS & WP:ILC). The only piece of information directly cited is the presence of fifteen currently known variations. Leaning toward support based on notability of the subject within its context, but not so strongly based on Smurrayinchester's comments. Definitely would be nice to represent a topic that has nothing to do with death, sports, and war. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 19:58, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
- I would mark this ready with a net 4 1/2 supports and a 1/2 oppose, but the update really should be at least the sentences, if not five with three sources. I don't see that. Can Jayron32 or a supporter with the requisite acumen get us three sources in 3 sentences? μηδείς (talk) 00:35, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support. As an extreme layman in this area, I am moved to support by Jayron's explanation above and the two linked sources. I am not moved by Smurray's counter argument pointing out that this is not the greatest accomplishment that could ever occur in this area. To me, that is like saying we shouldn't publish a new discovery of a planet because we haven't yet discovered every single planet. Yes it's not the complete task but it is a major step in completing that task. (And speaking of planet discoveries....)Rhodesisland (talk) 03:27, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose adding esoterica, even if it takes our mind off depressing issues. --Light show (talk) 07:58, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- Esoterica is the only thing that keeps some of us going, alas. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:59, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- "Encyclopedy". Support for diversity to counter systemic bias of news junkies being right-brained (and yes, I know left and right brain isn't very scientific). This is not proof of knowing every shape that can tile (which may be impossible) but it looks like the smallest repeating section is 7 pairs of tiles wide in the 40 degrees clockwise of horizontal direction so the low-hanging fruit is gone. We're still working on bathroom tiling technology. Take that fusion power researchers! Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:39, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- Weak support: Doesn't appear to solve the unsolvable mathematical problem, but it is an addition to the canon, and it's nice to feature things that aren't disasters, deaths, or sporting victories from time to time. -Kudzu1 (talk) 17:25, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support new knowledge of fundamental geometry - the first of its kind in 30 years - is newsworthy. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 17:54, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- Posted The Rambling Man (talk) 20:50, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
North Korea time
Speedy close for this good faith nom per WP:SNOW. No need to further pile on. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:25, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
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Articles: UTC+08:30 (talk · history · tag) and Pyongyang Time (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: North Korea replaced Korea Standard Time by adopting Pyongyang Time, which is UTC+08:30, used by Korean Empire before Japanese occupation. (Post)
News source(s): Bloomberg, The Diplomat, Economist, Yahoo news
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Jenda H. (talk) 16:18, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose. How is this news? Countries/states changing their timezone either to bring themselves into synch with a trading partner, or as a statement of cultural independence, isn't an unusual event (Sri Lanka, Venezuela, Samoa and Crimea are a few from the last few years). ‑ iridescent 16:27, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose if a country switches to Hammer time, that will be news. Belle (talk) 16:45, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
- Weak oppose. I don't know if I would say that this isn't an unusual event but it doesn't seem that significant. It's no secret that North Korea isn't a fan of anything to do with Japan and this just seems to be a way for NK to criticize the "imperialism" of the West. 331dot (talk) 16:47, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
Comment, premature, the transition is tomorrow per article. Will support then. A country adopting a new time zone is significant Brandmeister 16:49, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
- I think it was nominated now because it had been announced today(last 24 hours at least). 331dot (talk) 16:52, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support, yes, it's past midnight 15 August there. Brandmeister 16:56, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
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51 Eridani
Article: 51 Eridani (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: The star 51 Eridani is found to host a Jupiter-like planet, the smallest ever directly imaged. (Post)
Alternative blurb: In its first discovery, the Gemini Planet Imager finds that star 51 Eridani hosts a Jupiter-like planet, the smallest ever imaged.
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Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:57, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks Medeis, the direct imaging is important, as is the size of the planet imaged. I am trying to find more scientific things to go here so our ITN is more encyclopedic I guess....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:50, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
- Weak support – Notable discovery worth mention, namely considering it's the first of the Gemini Planet Imager, but not terribly keen on how notable it is (by ITN standards). Exoplanets are discovered all the time so the only real aspect of mention here is the size of the Jupiter-like planet. Science-side of me is leaning support, but I could honestly go either way. I'd also suggest adding exoplanet into the blurb to more clearly indicate that it's the Jupiter-like planet being referred to as the smallest, since the star is being targeted as the main subject of the blurb. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 00:16, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support. Per Medeis. Rhodesisland (talk) 03:30, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- Weak oppose Scientific trivia, being the smallest Jupiter-like planet is rather an arbitrary criterion. Brandmeister 18:53, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- It's not the 'smallest Jupiter-like planet'; I don't know where you got that from. It's the smallest planet that we have a direct image of - as opposed to indirect evidence from transits or Doppler shifts. It does also happen to be roughly Jupiter sized, but that's irrelevant to the notability claim. Modest Genius 11:03, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- Marking ready as this is technically ready, and the support outweighs the opposition. Obviously this is a close call, but it should either boe posted or closed, not left hanging, and I think the argument in favor of posting is strong. μηδείς (talk) 01:24, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support - The fact that this is the smallest-ever planet to be directly imaged causes me to agree that the nomination is ITN-worthy. I could wish for a bit more meat on the article, but feel thoughtful readers around the world will find this of interest. Prefer alt-blurb, but support either. Jusdafax 01:57, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose. Records for exoplanets are being broken every month or so. This one doesn't tell us anything new or surprising about planets, and is purely due to improved instrumentation. Bound to be beaten sooner rather than later. Modest Genius 11:18, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose, far too commonplace nowadays. The first exoplanet with evidence of photosynthesis can be posted. Otherwise stop nominating these. Abductive (reasoning) 16:15, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
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RD: John A. Nerud
Article: John A. Nerud (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times Blood-Horse Los Angeles Times
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: Highly successful owner and trainer of thoroughbred racing horses described as "legendary" by media sources reporting on his death. Hall of Famer who helped start the Breeders' Cup. Kudzu1 (talk) 01:58, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
Quaternary extinction event
Article: Quaternary extinction event (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: A new scientific study strongly supports the human factor as the leading cause of the Quaternary extinction event. (Post)
News source(s): The Independent, University of Exeter, Ecography
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Article updatedNominator's comments: Yes, there are dozens of such papers, but this time one of the researchers said: "As far as we are concerned, this research is the nail in the coffin of this 50-year debate". The research was conducted by three universities and published in the peer-reviewed Ecography (putting this under August 13 per University of Exeter announcement date). Brandmeister 19:18, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
- Comment The proposed target article for this nomination has serious referencing issues. In its current condition it cannot be linked to the Front Page. If those were corrected, I would be inclined towards a weak support. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:03, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose It's not hard to find opposing opinions, like this recent article. Hardly seems a settled issue. Narayanese (talk) 07:47, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
- Comment The debate about whether an asteroid killed the dinosaurs went on for 20-30 years, and I imagine this debate will do the same. With no smoking gun (like the layer of iridium and glass that proves an asteroid hit the earth 65 million years ago), the only way the debate will be resolved is the long, slow process of academic discussion, and that is unlikely to ever have a clear watershed moment for posting. (Also, the scientific paper is a bit more reserved than the popular press: "Our results show that human colonisation was the dominant driver of megafaunal extinction across the world but that climatic factors were also important.") Smurrayinchester 07:46, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
2015 Baghdad market truck bombing
Article: 2015 Baghdad market truck bombing (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: More than seventy six people are killed and and two hundred injured in a suicide truck bomb attack targeting a popular food market in Baghdad, Iraq. (Post)
News source(s): (Reuters) (Daily Mail) (NY Times)
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Nominator's comments: gruesome crime, number of deaths on a massacre scale 495656778774 (talk) 16:37, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
- Introduced improvements/added material, should be ITN ready now....495656778774 (talk) 13:08, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
- I sympathize. But the news is what it is. And this clearly meets ITN criteria. If you can find something that meets the critera and that does not include blood and mayhem please feel free to make a nomination. -Ad Orientem (talk) 05:06, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
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RD: John Scott (organist)
Article: John Scott (organist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times, The Daily Telegraph, Gramophone, NDR (in German). He was also the subject of the main obituary in The Times on Saturday, but the full version is behind a paywall (preview here).
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: Internationally acclaimed organist and choirmaster. Transatlantic prominence as organist of St Thomas Fifth Avenue NYC since 2004 after being Director of Music at St Paul's Cathedral London (1990-2004). Meets the "widely regarded as a very important figure in his field" hurdle. Bencherlite 13:15, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
Bump - any thoughts from anyone? Bencherlite 12:51, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support – Unexpected death of one of the world's leading figures in church music, and "the premier English organist of his generation", still in his 50s, prompting a long-overdue major expansion of his WP article. Though he never aspired to become a household name, he was responsible for major worldwide publications, dozens of top-quality commercial albums, hundreds of highly reviewed concerts, and the formative training of countless young musicians. Good opportunity to give ITN some extra variety beyond the usual disasters and politicians! —Patrug (talk) 18:23, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks for the ping, I had indeed missed the nomination. This is not my field or interest, so I don't feel qualified to voice an opinion other than unopposed based on a brief scan of the article. μηδείς (talk) 16:20, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
- I also thank you for the ping; though I must concur with Medeis and
oppose on the same grounds. 331dot (talk) 20:34, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
- Above, Medeis/μηδείς said unopposed. —Patrug (talk) 21:06, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
- So they did.....I meant to say unopposed. Thanks for pointing it out. 331dot (talk) 21:10, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
- Comment: There are some referencing issues with the article, but the thing that stands out to me most is that there isn't a bluelink in his entire discography section. That makes it very hard to assess the figure as being of great importance. If the article were improved to demonstrate clear notability and add quality references, I'd consider supporting, but I'm not quite there right now -- and time, obviously, is a factor. -Kudzu1 (talk) 15:28, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
- In case it helps, I just added some quick citations for his (admittedly imprecise) "many award-winning recordings" and the prestigious Pipedreams broadcasts honoring them. —Patrug (talk) 21:06, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support His complete works of César Franck a major achievement. Here he is playing Frank Bridge's Adagio in E. Just beautiful. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:14, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support Sudden death of an organist who was at the top of his field. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:30, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
- References needed I was going to mark this ready, but some of the material is entirely unreferenced, and one very long, fatc filled paragraph has only an end reference. Also, as primary sources, the long list of works with name, title, and publisher is okay, but it should preferably have dates. μηδείς (talk) 21:44, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
- Updated, thanks. His just-published obit in The Guardian now covers almost every basic fact, and his Manchester Evening News review looks like the only missing date. I'll soon have citations for the "complete organ works" sentence. —Patrug (talk) 22:29, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
- Done. At this stage, I think the article is at or near "B" quality, up from "Stub" a week ago. —Patrug (talk) 23:10, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
2015 Myanmar flood
Article: 2015 Myanmar flood (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Flooding in Myanmar kills at least 100 people and affects more than a million people in the country. (Post)
News source(s): Times of India, Reuters, BBC, VOA ect...
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Nominator's comments: At least 100 dead and more than 1,000,000 refuges caused by record flooding. Jenda H. (talk) 22:40, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
- Strong support Reuters says these are the worst floods in the country in decades. Clearly important enough for ITN IMO. Everymorning (talk) 22:46, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support - terrible natural disaster. Simply south ...... time, deparment skies for just 9 years 23:18, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support per nom. A sad event that is clearly ITN material. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:07, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support – Clearly a major event in Myanmar, and also a huge step forward for the government as they're showing the will to cooperate with other nations rather than refuse aid (like after Cyclone Nargis in 2008). Cyclonebiskit (talk) 01:59, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support blurb rather than ongoing, if someone can propose one. -Kudzu1 (talk) 03:25, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
- I hate to open this can of worms, but what is Misplaced Pages's latest official position on the name of the country? I only ask because the country itself is at Burma, and the text of the Flooding article uses Burma as well, but the title of the article is Myanmar... Surely, there should be some consistency? At least an internal consistency within the same article? --Jayron32 12:47, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
- Myanmar redirects to Burma, but the article immediately informs us that it is "officially the Republic of the Union of Myanmar and commonly shortened to Myanmar." AP, Reuters, AFP and BBC use Myanmar. My impression is that Myanmar remains the consensus for now. Sca (talk) 14:40, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, but if the article is titled "2015 Myanmar flood", shouldn't it at LEAST use Myanmar as the name of the country throughout, and not Burma, as it does now? --Jayron32 18:27, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
- I think so. As noted, Myanmar seems to be the most widely accepted name for the country at present. (I'm no expert on the country or region, but it would seem that the country entry, Burma, should be renamed Myanmar too.)
- BTW, target article seems sketchy (it's less than 300 words), and those parts of it couched in present tense should be converted to past tense. Sca (talk) 20:00, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
- Subj.-verb agree't.: Suggest blurb be changed to Flooding in Myanmar kills.... Sca (talk) 20:00, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
- In the time it's taken you to write this comment, why not just adjust the blurb? The Rambling Man (talk) 20:33, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
- I went ahead and changed it. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 21:57, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
- Marked ready per consensus. Brandmeister 17:21, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
- It's still a marginal article at best... C628 (talk) 20:53, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
Jimmy Carter announces he has cancer
this would be absolutely unprecedented, and they won't even know what kind of cancer it is for days. μηδείς (talk) 23:44, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
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Article: Jimmy Carter (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Former President of the United States Jimmy Carter announces that he has cancer. (Post)
News source(s): USA Today BBC NBC News
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Nominator's comments: Not sure what usually happens when people who clearly meet the RD criteria, such as Carter, are diagnosed with a serious disease. However this announcement has been covered widely in the media and Carter is very notable (he will probably get a blurb when he dies), so I think this is notable enough for ITN. Everymorning (talk) 22:36, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose - we don't post normally when every celebrity gets hit with a life-threatening illness and I fail to see how this is any different. Simply south ...... time, deparment skies for just 9 years 23:10, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
- Wait He's a former head of state of one of the most important countries in the world, but even so we don't normally post updates on their health. Will probably support however, if the prognosis turns out to be terminal (a very real possibility given his age). -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:26, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
- Wait Per Ad Orientem. I would also like to point put that most 90 year olds aren't strong enough to even have liver surgery, so maybe he has a small chance. 109.149.136.203 (talk) 23:34, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
- Snow closing; doctors say he's in good health and just diagnosing the cancer will take till next week, not that we would post this even then. μηδείς (talk) 23:44, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
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Okay, enough now. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:47, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
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- Comment I am not going to revert the speedy close because I concur that this nomination is extremely unlikely to be approved for posting. That said, I would point out that half of the votes cast were Wait. This suggests that the topic may be raised in a future nomination once Mr. Carter's medical condition becomes more clear, and especially if the prognosis is mortal. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:23, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
- If it were re-opened, I would add a flat oppose. Old people come down with illnesses. It happens, even to former heads of state. Resolute 01:05, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose per Resolute. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:55, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
- I will support a full blurb on his death, because he is essentially a king among men, even though he wasn't the most effective president, partly for reasons outside of his control. But his diagnosis isn't ITN news. Hopefully he's got several years in front of him. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:44, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
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Explosion hits port city of Tianjin
Article: 2015 Tianjin explosion (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: A large chemical explosion occurs in Binhai, Tianjin, China. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Article updatedNominator's comments: Comment, OP here. Please edit and update the details when possible. Number of dead is unknown, but from the scale of the explosion, looks like one thousand or more. Hospitals are how treating hundreds of patience with burn or glass wounds. Most of the info we can get now is from Weibo. But within the next few hours you will get Chinese media and more Western err ports also. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.28.143.34 (talk • contribs)
- I've added a source (BBC) above, but I'm neutral currently. Thryduulf (talk) 20:02, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support
pending major improvements; stub class article at the moment. Major explosions with an initially high injury count are not common within major port cities, such as Tianjin. News coverage is worldwide on the explosion. SomeoneNamedDerek (talk) 20:07, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
- Wait until possible casualties or major damage. That said, I hope nothing serious will eventually emerge. Brandmeister 20:09, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
- Wait a bit - "Reportedly" hundreds injured, and no indication of death toll. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 20:23, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support - I just watched this video from the Telegraph. Fatalities will be substantial, I believe. Jusdafax 20:33, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
- Comment – The BBC are reporting at least seven dead so far, with 300 injured. - JuneGloom07 Talk 20:38, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support once we clarify the cause and the effect, footage as posted by Jusdafax indicate that this is a significant and almost certainly deadly event. Even The Daily Telegraph is already suggesting nine deaths. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:41, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support Already obvious that this is large-scale enough. Article can be updated after posting as precise cause and effects become clear. Thue (talk) 20:51, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
- Wait – Developing. Death toll hits 13, sez Guardian @ 2200. Probably will rise. Sca (talk) 22:05, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support when the article is in decent enough shape for the main page. This appears to be a major event (the BBC are saying it's an industrial accident), the likes of which are not at all common. For major events it is usual for an ITN blurb to be updated as more information becomes available (e.g. death tolls following a major earthquake). Thryduulf (talk) 22:09, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
- Sure, but I think we should allow a little more time to assess the magnitude of this event. Sca (talk) 22:29, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support It clear that it is a large scale event. Death toll rising quickly (17 now). Article can be updated as info flow in but should be on front page. ShakyIsles (talk) 23:23, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support when the article is ready for linking. Clearly a major accident. The blurb can be updated as necessary. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:29, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
- An obvious post when ready, but the article is still a bit too small and desperately needs copy editing as of this note. μηδείς (talk) 23:40, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support Large and rising injury and death toll. Very large explosion. --DHeyward (talk) 00:20, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support – AP, BBC say 17 as of 0030. Sgt when they say 20 we post. Sca (talk) 00:33, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
- Marked ready. We've got two blasts registerin as 2.3 and 2.9 earthquakes, at least 17 dead and 32 critically wounded, and the article has been cleaned up for style and is well cited as of this edit. μηδείς (talk) 00:57, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
- Strong support Now that we know there's numerous casualties and significant damage, this is a clear ITN story. --MASEM (t) 01:55, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support, largely per above. Mz7 (talk) 03:41, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support in case my comments above don't make that clear. μηδείς (talk) 03:57, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
- Posted The Rambling Man (talk) 04:48, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
London plague burial pit
close with consensus that this would make a great WP:DYK nomination μηδείς (talk) 00:53, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
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Article: Great Plague of London (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: During the construction of the London Crossrail, a burial pit from the 1665 plague has been unearthed at Liverpool Street station. (Post)
News source(s): (Daily Mail), (CNN)
Nom. --bender235 (talk) 17:57, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
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