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Q1: Should the article mention reports that Michael Jackson was Muslim? (No.) A1: No. The article should not mention reports that Michael Jackson was Muslim. Jackson had not publicly spoken about his exact religion in a number of years and only spoke about spirituality in general terms. The specific reports of a conversion ceremony for Jackson have been denied by his New York lawyer Londell McMillan. They were also denied by Yusuf Islam/Cat Stevens and Dawud Wharnsby who were allegedly present at the ceremony. The Michael Jackson memorial service did not involve any Islamic rites. Without further details from his family or representatives, it will not be included in the article. Q2: Should the "Jacko" name be mentioned in the lead? (No.) A2: No. The "Jacko" name should not be mentioned in the lead. Past consensus goes against such inclusion. The name is a derogatory term used primarily by US/UK/Australian tabloids. The slogan is discussed in the relevant section of the article. Q3: Should the article mention that Jackson reportedly had cancer/blindness/liver disease/AIDS, etc.? (No.) A3: No. The article should not mention that Jackson reportedly had cancer, blindness, liver disease, AIDS, etc. Until such claims are confirmed by a Jackson representative it will not go in the article at all. These claims are largely fabricated by tabloids. Q4: Should the article mention that Jackson reportedly had a secret child called Omer Bhatti? (No.) A4: No. This claim was denied by Bhatti and only a DNA test would resolve the matter. Q5: Isn't Jackson the seventh child of the Jackson family, not the eighth? (No.) A5: No. Marlon had a twin, Brandon, who died shortly after birth. This makes Michael the eighth child.
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Child abuse accusations

The article mentions nothing about this pretty big aspect of Jackson's life. It should at least point to respective Wiki article on this topic due to the huge toll it took on his career. Rbaleksandar (talk) 15:45, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

perhaps you should read the article again--Moxy (talk) 18:01, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
Here they are: '1993–94: First child sexual abuse allegations and first marriage', '2003–05: Second child sexual abuse allegations and acquittal' Beingsshepherd (talk) 16:44, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

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Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. It's not clear why we need to mention a thumbnail in the article. —C.Fred (talk) 17:34, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

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The Michael Jackson Video Vanguard Award, in the year 1993 was eliminated from the award show. MTV denied that the withdraw of the award was correlated with the accusations Jackson was facing.

Russell, Deborah. "Fallen Stars Rise Again At Video Music Awards." Billboard 106.39 (1994): 40. Music Index. Web. 28 Sept. 2015. Cassievmolina123 (talk) 20:41, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

  • Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.
  • If you want to add information please say exactly where you want to add it to. --Stabila711 (talk) 21:47, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

Net worth material

With this and this edit, D4iNa4 removed net worth material, stating "was not official" and "Not an official estimate, just a view." Other content in the "Earnings and wealth" section are "just views" as well; they are estimates, and the section even states, "Estimating how much of these earnings Jackson was able to personally pocket is difficult because one has to account for taxes, recording costs and production costs." I'm not sure what "official estimate" D4iNa4 is looking for. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 05:40, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

D4iNa4, I expect you to answer here. If you do not, I'll leave the matter up to a WP:RfC. You appear to be removing things from articles based on a WP:IDON'TLIKEIT view. What is the valid or solid rationale for the removal in this case? Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 04:07, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

These estimates are effectively new and one person's opinion. Earlier version shown that the estimate was 236 million from 2007, and it was largely believed too. How come there was a rise of 800 million when he had loan of more than 500 million?
There is no reliable data about the net worth, and this article was a featured article. I don't think that such controversial material needs to be added. D4iNa4 (talk) 09:43, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
D4iNa4, I appreciate you explaining. I don't care much about the content in question; it's just that I don't like to see things removed on what seems to be a purely WP:IDON'TLIKEIT basis. I still stand by my "Other content in the 'Earnings and wealth' section are 'just views' as well; they are estimates" commentary, though. I don't see anything wrong with including estimates from WP:Reliable sources in the "Earnings and wealth" section, as long as we don't go overboard on that. But I agree that we shouldn't have just one estimate in the infobox when the matter varies according to different sources. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 12:03, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
The article is still currently a WP:Featured article, by the way. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 12:05, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
I don't see the problem with including reliably sourced estimates either. When including the 2007 figure in infobox, looking back into the linked diff, that was based on the most recent estimate listed in the net worth section. Snuggums (talk / edits) 20:35, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
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