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Frequently Asked Questions: (also see Misplaced Pages:Technical FAQ)

• Intermittent database lags can make new articles take some minutes to appear, and cause the watchlist, contributions, and page history/old views sometimes not show the very latest changes. This is an ongoing issue we are working on.
• The search index is often out of date, sometimes taking weeks before it's updated. Because of that, recent changes are not immediately reflected on the search.
• If all the links in the articles suddenly become underlined (or the opposite), or red links instead end with a red question mark (or the opposite), or paragraphs are fully justified instead of left justified (or the opposite), it's probably because your browser failed to load one of the stylesheets (or the server sent you a wrong one). Do a forced reload or bypass your cache.
• If you have problems making your fancy signature work, check Misplaced Pages:How to fix your signature.
• If you changed to another skin and cannot change back, use this link.
• It has been reported that the Google Toolbar extension for the Firefox browser is the source of some strange problems (including blanking part of a page when editing it). If you have that extension, try turning it off or upgrading to a newer version. See bugzilla:5643 for more information.
• If an image thumbnail is not showing, try purging its image description page (if the image is from Wikimedia Commons, you might have to purge there too). If it doesn't work, try again.
• Some adblockers, proxies, or firewalls block URLs containing /ad/ or ending in common executable suffixes. This can cause some images or articles to not appear. Also, it's surprisingly common for people to accidentally block the image server (upload.wikimedia.org) on Firefox.
• If the section edit links are being pushed down by floated images, check Misplaced Pages:How to fix bunched up edit links.

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Coordinates/Audio

How do you add "Coordinates" to an article...like the top right of Duke University? Also, how do you add the audio file up there? Thanks! Lasallefan 12:30, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

The coordinates are part of {{Geolinks-US-streetscale}}. Which audio file are you referring to? --Splarka (rant) 00:49, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Can you take me through how to add that to another university? I see an audio icon on the top right of some articles. Is that an audio file of the article?

It looks a bit complex. Try reading Template_talk:Geolinks-US-streetscale (and asking there if the answer isn't found). --Splarka (rant) 07:12, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Monochrome PNG image does not show correctly

1937 Ordnance Survey map of Edmund Street

When I link to this Image:Edmund Street strip map 1937.png using //Image:Edmund Street strip map 1937.png|centre|thumb|300px|1937 Ordnance Survey map of Edmund Street// (brackets for slashes) in an article, all I get is a few black and white dots one or two pixels high. It is a somewhat wide image in 2-bit monochrome, produced withn Paint Shop Pro V7. Is the image corrupt? (it shows fine on its Image page). Can I use this technique for large width/small pixel depth images? Thanks Oosoom 14:29, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Need an Eye Doc?

-Behzad

I have no idea. I tried uploading a color version and it still isn't showing up at all. — Omegatron 15:41, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Umm, where did all the images go

I've not been seeing[REDACTED] images for the last couple of evenings; and can find nowhere on wiki a status report which mentions this. a) are images down or what? b) what's with status reporting? Don't we think it's important? It isn't done well, imo. (though kudos to the people who keep[REDACTED] up; don't get me wrong.) --Tagishsimon (talk)

Are you using Firefox? It's surprisingly common for people to accidentally block the image server. Right-click one of the empty image boxes and UNCHECK "Block images from upload.wikimedia.org". --Brion 23:55, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Brion. That was indeed the problem. --Tagishsimon (talk)

How does that "accidentally" happen? — Omegatron 15:42, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

In the right-mouse-click context menu for images, "Save as" "Set image as wallpaper" "Block images from this server" and "Properties" are all next to each other. I've accidentally blocked images several time from a website, when trying to view the image properties such as size and image type (and there is no convenient keyboard method to do this that does not involve using the mouse to at least select the image). So, that is how that "accidentally" can happen. --Splarka (rant) 22:42, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Ah. I don't see that option; I guess Adblock removes it (the Adblock option is at the very end of the list where you can't click it by accident). — Omegatron 02:50, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Underlining

Is it just me, or have all the links in Misplaced Pages suddenly become underlined? Joziboy 18:18, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

It's a preference setting, under "Misc." I think underlining is the default. Are you logged out? — Frecklefoot | Talk 18:21, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

• See the third bullet point of the FAQ on the very top of the page. - Mgm| 18:22, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Ah okay, thanks :) The lines are gone, and it looks so much better. Thanks guys Joziboy 18:34, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Links have just started underling - without me changing my preferences. I've looked in preferences, and there isn't an option to stop them underlining - what do I do? Some pages are almost unreadable now :( --DuncanHill 23:25, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, I don't know what happened or who did it, but they seem to have stopped underlining again, so thank you to whoever fixed it! --DuncanHill 23:36, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Underlines appear from time to time after I do an edit. Sometimes they disappear when I do another edit, sometimes they don't. There is no option under 'misc' in the preference settings. I've tried forced refresh (per the FAQ at the top) - again with no luck. I would really appreciate some help on this, as I find it very hard to read articles with underlined links. DuncanHill 19:17, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

What browser are you using? --Splarka (rant) 01:21, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Internet Explorer DuncanHill 06:46, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Try this: View page source (on any Misplaced Pages page) while logged in. About one page down there should be:

@import "/search/?title=MediaWiki:Monobook.css&action=raw&ctype=text/css&smaxage=2678400";
@import "/search/?title=-&action=raw&gen=css&maxage=some number&ts=some timestamp";
@import "/search/?title=User:Yournick/monobook.css&action=raw&ctype=text/css";

That middle css is the style from the preferences, try going directly to that url: copy it and paste it into your url bar after http://en.wikipedia.org/ (I can't provide a link as the link depends on a timestamp). Sometimes (as stated above) the site returns the wrong preferences, so just reload that link until it shows what you want. If it changes very often, you may have disabled your cache or set your cache persistance too low (non IE user, so whatever the equivalent is in there, fix it ^_^). --Splarka (rant) 07:18, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Splarka! That makes sense (sort of - I'm not exactly a wizz with these computer thingies, as you may have guessed!). DuncanHill 09:17, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Most watched articles

Since access logging isn't available, could someone please publish a list of the 1000 or 5000 most-watched articles? This is perhaps more meaningful for some questions. 71.132.136.162 03:09, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I was about to ask the same thing but in a different context. Is it possible to know the page views/hits for a particular article? Helps to know which ones are the most read so that they can be improved and just interesting to know which articles people read the most. --Idleguy 04:07, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

"Is it possible to know the page views/hits for a particular article? " - no. The proxy servers handle most of the page hits, and do not keep traffic statistics (in other words, the data is not being kept) because the size is just too huge. Last I heard, the devs were trying to work out some traffic statistics using sampling. Raul654 04:09, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I wanted to suggest a "most viewed pages" statistic. Pages on this list must be heavily guarded against vandalism, because such vandalism will be viewed by more readers. However, it looks like the limitations of the MediaWiki software mean that this suggestion is not viable. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 04:27, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

No answer after a couple of weeks; so the question is now at Misplaced Pages talk:Statistics#Most watched articles. LossIsNotMore 00:08, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

The most watched might be the least vulnerable to vandalism(?) 171.66.111.20 05:28, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

There is a restricted special page called Special:Unwatchedpages (restricted due to high potential for abuse). It would be more useful however to have it sortable (other than aboslutely alphabetically) by most/least revisions, most/least links, and oldest/newest. --Splarka (rant) 07:21, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

iframe

Iframes are very powerful aspect of HTML. Is there any way of enabling them (if only on user pages)? Stephen B Streater 08:30, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

It wouldn't necessarily make sense, because the inner frame would have the[REDACTED] icon and tabs and such too. Transclusion is an on-wiki feature that does roughly the same thing. You can use style="overflow:auto" if you want the scrollbars. --Interiot 08:43, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

So how would I iframe this video using your technique? The HTML is:

<iframe src="http://pro.forscene.net/ss1/published/EpsomT20-1153604886.can/" width="288" height="216" frameborder="0" marginheight="0" marginwidth="0" scrolling="no">

You do not appear to have iframe support.</iframe>

Stephen B Streater 09:26, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm surprised it's not a FAQ question, but in general, it's not possible to include off-site images, sounds, or movies as part of a Misplaced Pages page. You can add a link that users click on to start an off-site video... --Interiot 10:13, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

As I suspected. I think this is an unnecessary restriction, particularly for user pages. Stephen B Streater 17:00, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

It is necessary to prevent abuse, including but not limited to attempts to exploit a certain browser's lack of security. --cesarb 17:48, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

We could fix this with a white list of servers which could be iframed from. Stephen B Streater 18:29, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

As long as we don't allow offsite images, we aren't going to allow offsite anything else, especially things that could cause exploits. You have yet to demonstrate a use for this. --Golbez 23:20, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

No, there is no way and never will be. --Brion 02:14, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Never is a long time. Stephen B Streater 09:34, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I have a potential use for it. My interest is in video. One limitation at the moment is the cost and resources required to serve video. With an iframe, the video does not have to be served from the standard Misplaced Pages servers. Stephen B Streater 09:33, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

That limitation does not seem to be that much of a problem currently, since the Wikimedia servers already serve several videos; see for instance commons:Category:Video. --cesarb 16:09, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

So can you suggest an automated way to publish my videos onto the Misplaced Pages server? These are generally shot on my mobile phone; the editing and published is through my web browser (a bit like text is on Misplaced Pages) on my Mac at home and PCs at work and other computers in various locations. As I use a lot of different computers, editing over the web is a great benefit - I use FORscene for this. Stephen B Streater 16:19, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

But, how would putting video on your user page help improve Misplaced Pages? Notinasnaid 07:45, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Not many years ago, web pages were devoid of graphics. When the first images appeared, these were not supported by typical browsers. Images were controversial because they took up a lot of server capacity and bandwidth. Just imagine today if every web browser had to install multiple incompatible image plug-ins to look at pictures. Misplaced Pages would use Ogg for pictures, and hardly anyone would be able to see them. In reality, WP would have almost no pictures and be much poorer for it.

Fast forward ten years and we are in the similar position with video. There are multiple incompatible video players and WP is worried about the server load if video is added to articles. But there are differences:

• With Java applets, almost anyone can play video without having to install any software, suddenly making it accessible
• With iframes, video can be served from anywhere, without putting any load on the Misplaced Pages servers

Misplaced Pages in the future will include a wide range of video, just like it now contains pictures. This could happen right now, but for the technical iframe restriction added in a completely different context. So adding iframes to my user page will help by opening people's eyes to the future. Removing the iframe restriction would make video immediately accessible. To put this in context, my personal videos have been watched over 8,000 times. This is a popular example. Stephen B Streater 08:17, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

But still, what about the user pages? How could putting your personal videos on your user page benefit Misplaced Pages? I'm struggling to understand how this can fit in with what user pages are for. Notinasnaid 10:12, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Some user pages are rather minimalist, but over the project their uses range widely. One use is to communicate information about the user to other editors. Trying things out away from article space out is often helpful too - for example using the built in wiki editing functions to develop an article to Misplaced Pages standards. Many editors have a sprinkling of useful links. Significantly, they can also be used for demonstrating to other Misplaced Pages editors the possibilities within Misplaced Pages. Editors can re-use something they like on a user page elsewhere in Misplaced Pages. This is where adding iframe videos comes in. It is not the content of the videos which is important (and videos need be no more personal than images), but the fact that videos can be edited over the web and published here. Stephen B Streater 12:08, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

If it were to be done, it wouldn't be with (explicit) iframes; it would be with the Image: syntax (whether it uses iframe or object or even embed to do so is immaterial). We already use animated gifs on some articles, so there's no opposition to the use of animation (the videos, however, are usually linked to via the Media: syntax). The main problem would be the sound; while the moving images are contained in a small square area of the screen, the sound isn't (imagine what would happen with a page with three different videos running at the same time). As for Java, it cannot be allowed for security reasons (the same reasons why JavaScript isn't allowed); and much less loading inline content from other sites (nobody wants to allow someone to be able to make one's computer load something like Last Measure or worse; MediaWiki's content filters only allows the use of "safe" file formats, but that restriction cannot be applied to foreign sites; any whitelist would contain only this wiki and Wikimedia Commons, both of which can already be acessed via the image syntax). On the other hand, adding a Java player to the site (not arbitrary Java code, but a fixed code carefully checked for security issues, which could be invoked by the Image: syntax when a video format is detected, and starting playing the video only when an action is made) could be an interesting project (but, since most people would already have to install Java, it wouldn't gain much over making them install a native video player with the appropriate codecs). --cesarb 19:41, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for this comprehensive answer. We can still bring Misplaced Pages into the 21 century:

• iframes are a means to an end with the advantage that WP could have wiki-style editing of video today
• Animated gifs are a help, but are hard to create and edit compared with videos - modern mobile phones come with video cameras these days
• Sound is not a problem as the video wouldn't start playing until requested. There is also be a mute button for those in a quiet environment
• Java is secure - that is its point. It should not be confused with JavaScript
• A Java applet can only access the server it came from, so a white list of sites would avoid the issue of rogue sites being downloaded
• Java applet code is a safe format
• Almost everyone has Java installed these days
• As Java itself is carefully checked for security issues, each player would not need to be

Stephen B Streater 10:07, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

We have plans to put a video player on the site, for things like Apollo program videos, so people don't have to download the videos to play them. I have yet to see a reason why you should be putting video from your camera phone on your user page, however. This has nothing to do with moving into the 21st century. It has to do with "why do you want to put video from your camera phone on your user page?" This isn't YouTube. — Omegatron 15:55, 6 August 2006 (UTC) Fixed link. --cesarb 17:10, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

I'd like editors to be able to add videos directly to Wikpedia articles. I'd like people to be able to edit them like they can currently edit text - without needing to install software on their computers. As you point out, this isn't YouTube, it's an encyclopaedia which has unnecessarily poor video support. It has an arbitrary and restrictive requirement for platform specific plug-in installation and lack of cross platform editing functionaility, neither of which are necessary or desirable these days. Stephen B Streater 16:23, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Around 90% of video is now shot on mobile phones, and this figure is rising. It would be hardly surprising if video added to Misplaced Pages by its teams of editors was largely shot on mobile phones. Stephen B Streater 16:26, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately, Omegatron's link was broken. I've now corrected it; take a look at m:Media plugin, where a lot of discussion on this issue has already been made (including some discussion on using Java at m:Talk:Video policy). --cesarb 17:10, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I've seen some of that before, but I'll refresh my knowledge. One reason for discussing it here is that it might be possible to sidestep all the discussion about video plug-ins, which are as odd an idea to me as image plug-ins would be, and just add video to Misplaced Pages. Stephen B Streater 17:32, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Any system for video on Misplaced Pages has to be easy to use for it to be of any real use. Or perhaps I should say, the easier it is to use, the more use will be made of it. Not just easy for the viewer but for the publisher too. Text definitely sets the benchmark. It is very easy to do, no special software download, you just open up your browser and everything is there. The closer video gets to this the better the system is IMO.

Practically nobody has ogg so practically nobody will watch any of the ogg format videos placed on Misplaced Pages - so there is no incentive for video to be placed on wikipedia. Java is as good as anyone will get for cross platform support so for video it is a good choice. In this day and age plugins are a waste of time, not only are they a hassle there is also a trust issue - i.e. is one downloading malicious software. mk 22:24, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

IP address

I edited a site and mistakenly left my IP address visible. Can I correct this - delete my edit and re-edit after logging in to my account?

Nope. I hope you can live the rest of your life knowing that a single edit is not attributed to you. If you really need attribution, make a null edit to the article saying "the previous one is mine". And if you're concerned about privacy, as long as you don't tell us the IP address in question, then it remains private. --Golbez 23:18, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your response, Golbez. That's eased my mind. Internet privacy was my concern, not accreditation.

It's an important question. Brian Chase lost his job after John Seigenthaler tracked his IP after a prank edit and raised a stink. You can have such edits removed from history, but you have to talk to someone with database access, and they don't have much time for it. See m:Right to vanish. — Omegatron 16:01, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

change default display font

In firefox 1.5.0.4,[REDACTED] displays in Arial by default. I'd like to change the font to Tahoma or Verdana because they have flags on the capital i (arial doesn't) so capital i and lowercase L can be distinguished more easily. This would be convenient for me because vandals often create usernames with capital i in place of lowercase L and they are indistinguishable in Arial. ~ crazytales56297 -talk- 17:05, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Create a file called User:Crazytales56297/monobook.css and add the following

font
{
font-family:Tahoma;
}

If it doesn't work, please contact me on my talk page, cheers —Minun 19:13, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

The user has now been taught how to do it, see me message on his talk page if you want to learn, cheers —Minun 19:36, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

You can also just set the default font in your browser, I believe. Misplaced Pages doesn't specify a font face, so whatever you use as the default will be used for Misplaced Pages. — Omegatron 16:02, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Redlinked images shouldn't go to Special:Upload

This is annoying behaviour when you're trying to find the deletion logs. In particular, a link to the corresponding Commons: deletion log somewhere along the line would be very useful. pfctdayelise (translate?) 13:09, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Agree that that is annoying. The vast majority of people clicking a red image link are probably more interested in the deletion history than uploading a replacemen image. What might work as a nice compromise is: if there is a wpDestFile parameter, it could display a new message at the top (eg MediaWiki:Noimagetext) which would show something like "This image does not exist, you can upload it below. See also the for this page." by default (which would be easy to add a commons link too). So, go file it at bugzilla as a request ^_^. --Splarka (rant) 21:29, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

There's a javascript fix (which also stops red links from editing and generates lists of red links) at User:Lupin/redlinks.js. Lupin|talk|popups 03:36, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Date format

In the last day or two Misplaced Pages has started displaying dates in article histories in the form:

 2006-08-04T10:34:19

instead of the usual ISO format:

 2006-08-04 10:34:19

How can I revert it back to the original format? There is no option for this on the user preferences page. --ozzmosis 00:46, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Looks OK to me now. Is it still doing it for you? -- Rick Block (talk) 01:52, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, the T is still there. --ozzmosis 02:24, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Rick Block: Go to Special:Preferences to Date and Time and look in the Date format block. Does the last example 2001-01-15T16:12:34 show a T where a space should be? It does for me. I think it could be a recently introduced bug, that people won't notice who don't use that date format. --Splarka (rant) 02:56, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Ah, good point. Yes, it's there in that one date format. -- Rick Block (talk) 03:06, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Looking into this a bit, I suspect it may actually be a fix rather than a bug. The ISO 8601 date format specifies use of "T" as the separator between the date and time. I can't find the buzilla entry off hand that might have changed this - perhaps a developer can comment. -- Rick Block (talk) 03:17, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Read on a bit - the same page says the ISO spec also allows for a space to separate the date and time. From a data parsing point of view the 'T' delimeter might make sense, but I think you'd agree that the original format was far more human-readable, so I'd like to see it put back how it was, if at all possible. --ozzmosis 07:16, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

This bugs the heck out of me, too. It wouldn't be bad as an additional available format, but it is replacing a format people use. -- Steven Fisher 22:41, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

This "T" version is bad and ugly. I would like the "space" version comes back. At least both options should be available for use.--Wai Wai (talk) 07:52, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

This was introduced by Tim . --Ligulem 14:16, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Edessa, Greece

For some weeks now the article on the town of Edessa, Greece shows a strange message: "The database did not find the text of a page that it should have found, named "Edessa, Greece". etc. etc. In the page history you can see the version of 3 July, but it's impossible to save edits. What's wrong? Markussep 17:47, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Problem has been solved. Markussep 17:49, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

My preferences not being saved

I am trying to change to the "16:12, 15 January 2001" date format, but it doesn't save. I click on the save button and get the "Your preferences have been saved." message, but when I go to a page and bypass my cache, the date format doesn't change. I then go back to Special:Preferences and see that the date format has been reset to "No preference." What's going on? --MC Snowy 18:37, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I am able to change it to the ISO 8601 date fine, did you try that? (the last on the list). This may be related to a post above: #Date_format. --Splarka (rant) 01:34, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I did try that. It seems to work, but I don't like that format. I like the "16:12, 15 January 2001" date format. --MC Snowy 15:12, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Odd, I have mine set to 'no preference' and I always see that format (16:12, 15 January 2001) in history. What format do you see? --Splarka (rant)

I'm not talking about the history. I'm talking about Help:Preferences#Date format and m:Dynamic dates not working. For example on List of longest reigning Monarchs of the UK, the date format should change according to the preference. And that's the problem, the preference keeps resetting. It only stays if I choose the last format. --MC Snowy 17:45, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

I can confirm the same issue. I have not tried other preferences, but my old date preference got switched back to No preference, and now when I select a new preference, it is not saved, although I get the standard Your preferences have been saved message. – Mipadi 18:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Me too. I would like ] to rend as "8 August 2006", but all I get is 2006-08-08. Changes to "My preferences" don't stick. It used to work as desired, but not for about three-four days. Mr Stephen 13:28, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I am having this same problem. I prefer "August 8, 2006" to "2006-08-08" and I cannot set this, or any of the other ones. Ryūlóng 05:48, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

This appears to be a known bug, according to the last statement (just before the "please sign") in the heading box at the top of this page. Furthermore, this is a cross-project problem; I've confirmed it for en:Wikiquote and meta as well. Can someone identify what the problem is, and when it will be fixed? I've found no specifics discussed here or at Meta. The closest thing I've found in Bugzilla is bug #6830, which, given the response, is being treated as a server configuration error. (I would hope that MediaWiki projects haven't encountered a project-wide configuration error based on a single variable being incorrectly set that hasn't been fixed for several days.) Any specifics would be appreciated. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 05:37, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

The problem appears to have been fixed within the past hour or so. Thanks, folks! ~ Jeff Q (talk) 17:49, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Jumping toolbar

I'm not quite sure what to call it. Those six links (, my talk, my preferences, my watchlist, my contributions, and log out), I'll just call them the toolbar. Anyways, every so often, all of the links suddenly jump to the very left of the page when you try to click on them. It's not a singular computer problem, because I've seen this happen on three different computers. I've seen this question here before, but the only reply was the very ambiguous and unhelpful comment "Tell Microsoft about it." So, why does the toolbar jump to the left?--the ninth bright shiner 04:36, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

The only thing I can say for certain about this is that it seems to be browser related. It may have to do with the way the browser handles style sheets. I was having the same problem but only with the IE 7 Beta version 2. I just upgraded to version 3 and the problem went away. Try checking for the latest version of your browser to see if that fixes the problem. Epolk 15:59, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm using IE as well, and I'm pretty sure it's the latest version...besides IE Beta v 2...which would be more likely to have problems, as it's a beta program.--the ninth bright shiner 03:23, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

What links from here

Hey, there's a special page of what links (to) here.
How about a "What links from here"?
Is it available? If not, can we create one?--Wai Wai (talk) 07:55, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

It isn't too hard to make a list of links using query (made for machine reading, not human reading, though). There might even be a template for it already. You could even edit your personal javascript to add such a link to the toolbox.

Or you can just scroll down the page and look at the blue text ^_^. --Splarka (rant) 07:30, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Dynamic page/section/list

Does anyone know how to create a dynamic page, or section or list?

Sometimes I have to maintain more than 1 page, of each contains the same information as another. It would be great if something like this can be done:

                 Article A
.....
.....
.....
==See also==
xxx
yyy
zzz

                 Article B
.....
.....
.....
== suggestion on differing interpretations ==
I have written several technical definitions for Misplaced Pages. Insofar as I can tell, they have not been attacked for being controversial. However, when I do search a controversial topic, as indicated by the warning stripe across the top of the article, I find differing opinions obliterating one another on a regular basis. Religion and politics appear to be most prone to this. 
So my suggestion is, instead of obliterating the text, leave the differing opinions stand, side by side, as it were, and highlight in differing type face or color those sections that would have been obliterated by the new editor. That way, anyone doing research on a given topic will have access to all differing opinions on the subject.
--] 16:41, 5 August 2006 (UTC)plastechie
:Sounds like viewing a diff ^_^. Also sounds more like something for ] --] (]) 07:39, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
== Information on how to construct blocks ==
The information on the Misplaced Pages Front Page is organized into Blocks, which in turn display different colors.
I would appreciate it very much if someone here could please throw me some linkage to a place where I can learn how to develop blocks for my own MediaWiki wiki.
Thanks, and have a wonderful evening! :) ] 03:51, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
:The blocks are wikitables, see ]. The coloring is done with css styles (most applied to the tags rather than to global style sheets). See  for a complete reference (or google for 'css for beginners' for something easier, like changing <span style="color:green;background-color:#ddddff">colors</font>). And of course, view and copy the  of the main page ^_^. --] (]) 07:43, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
== Navigational templates and printing ==
The other day, on a lark, I print preveiwed an article. To my dismay the navigational template at the bottom of the article would, if printed, take up about half a page or more. So, that got me thinking, can there be a css class for purely navigational templates that would make them not print? Sort of like using "display:none;" for viewing in the browser. I know css, but not that side of it. - ] @ 06:19, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
:Technical consideration: All you'd have to do is put the template into class="noprint" (which is applied on the ). Community consideration: probably something to bring up in ] (for global application, if there is no such policy already) or on the talk page of navigational template in question. --] (]) 07:47, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
== Category redirects appear as category members? ==
Is this really correct and default behavior? It doesn't sound right that a category would have a redirect to itself as a member. In the case of the ] hierarchy, many subcategories are listed both by common name and by ] - but the membership oddity creates the appearance that an EC number category, whose meaning is not immediately obvious, contains an explanatory article when in fact it only contains a redirect. ] 06:41, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
: So I guess I'm the only one who thinks it's weird for a category to appear as a member of itself? ] 02:30, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
== {{tl|Infobox Instrument}} ==
Can someone help me with {{tl|Infobox Instrument}}?  It works great when all parameters are used (as shown on the ] page), but when just the required parameters are used, there is space at the bottom of the template (as is shown on the template page).  Why? —<span style="font: small-caps 14px times; color: red;">] (])</span> 15:17, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
:The table preprocessor is sensitive to line feeds.  When using <code>#if:</code> to generate optional rows, you have to be very careful about where the line feeds end up.  "Extra" row indicators seem to be ignored, so in this case changing the template so there's an "extra" <code>|-</code> for each optional row seems to have fixed it.  -- ] <small>(])</small> 18:29, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
::Great!  Thanks for fixing it! —<span style="font: small-caps 14px times; color: red;">] (])</span> 02:22, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
==IP requests==
Hi, I wanted to know how I would go about getting an IP check on an editor that I suspect is using a sock puppet to support his point of view on a discussion page thanx ] 17:12, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
: See ] for the criteria in which a checkuser may be run.  --] 17:56, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
== textarea css ==
I'd like to propose that the following ] be added to the appropriate files:
<pre>
textarea {font-family: monospace}
input#wpSummary {font-family: monospace}

This would force the edit text area and the summary field to use monospaced fonts. Browsers like Safari don't use monospace fonts in input fields by default. Thoughts? Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 02:07, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

For the proposal, go to Misplaced Pages:Village pump (proposals). For the technical question implied, you can add this to your personal monobook css (which will just affect you). For skin-wide implementation on this wiki this would go in MediaWiki:Monobook.css, or MediaWiki:Common.css for a more global effect (suggest at VP/P or the talk pages of those messages). For a request for change on all wikimedia (and future mediawiki releases) this would have to go into bugzilla. --Splarka (rant) 03:10, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. I will paste this there. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 03:32, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I forgot to mention I've been testing it there. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 03:33, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

What happened to the index?

Hi, I just noticed that articles no longer show an index. The show/hide button doesn't appear either. Any thoughts? Thanks. Dr.K. 04:45, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

It just came back, but what was the cause? Thanks again. Dr.K. 05:32, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

It's probably related to FAQ question #3 at the top of this page. --Interiot 08:41, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Interiot. Dr.K.

CURRENTMONTHGEN

The magic {{CURRENTMONTHNAMEGEN}} is currently broken, as it generates "<august-gen>" instead of "August". Actually, this magic word is not listed at Help:Magic words, but is used in some templates (Liberatore, 2006). 12:31, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

• Actually, it is listed (here), for use on other language wikis. Might be nice to set up a bot to replace it with {{CURRENTMONTH}}. SB_Johnny | 15:48, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Apparently, it used to be the same as {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} on en: I don't know why exactly it was used instead of this (which is also shorter) (Liberatore, 2006). 17:20, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Problem with text in SVG

I am using inkscape and when I upload images wich contein some text they are not correctly visualized in[REDACTED] (even if inkscape do it correctly): the text either is not visualized at all or is replaced by "black blocks" such as this. Can someone help me to find out what is the problem?--Pokipsy76 17:08, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

This has been asked before here; the problem is that inkscape is generating SVGs using the current draft of the next version of the SVG standard, instead of the current version. Neither rsvg (which Misplaced Pages uses) nor Firefox understand the new elements. --cesarb 21:05, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

HOW TO USE IMAGES FROM OTHER WIKIPEDIAS?

It's enough of a headache to upload|describe|tag|fight bots and paranoid admins in order to include worthy images into an article, especially when you find --to your astonishment-- that the work has already been done by another uploader working in a Misplaced Pages in another language.

QUESTION: how to refer to|include an image already existing in another Misplaced Pages? I cannot find the right syntax, or example, on how to do that. The need is very real, and simple enough to understand - so there ought to be a simple solution. Thanks, AVM 18:44, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

There is no simple solution. If it's a free (public domain / copyrighted with all rights released etc) image then you can upload it to commons to use over all Wikipedias. If it's copyrighted you'll just have to upload it again to each Misplaced Pages you want to use it on. Fight those paranoid admins! --Lord Deskana (talk) 18:50, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

You can't. Each Misplaced Pages has its own image policy. If it's under a free license (public domain, free use, GFDL, CC-by-sa are common examples), and suitable for use on multiple Wikipedias, you should upload it to Commons, which we can use images from directly. Otherwise, you will have to upload it separately to each Misplaced Pages on which you used to use it, after ensuring that it is conformant with local image policy, and possibly risk deletion. Deco 19:29, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Page Templates

Hi all-

i dont know if this has or has not been asked (and if it has, sorry!). also, sorry about this, but it has very little to do with[REDACTED] and more with mediawiki (but i have not found the answer yet).

in a mediawiki-driven wiki, is there a way to create a "new page" template, so that when a new page is created it is automatically populated with a basic framework?

thanks in advance. if you dont want to clutter this area up with a response, please post it to my talk page.

Jeremys779 20:54, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

You can do it easily, by making it voluntary: In MediaWiki:Newarticletext add a link like <span class="plainlinks"></span>, and then create the outline in Template:Outline. People clicking the link will be returned to the same nonexistant page with the template preloaded. You can add a whole menu of different styles if you want (probably by making subpages of Template:Outline, laziest/easiest method).

I don't know an easy way to force the issue, however. A javascript to add &preload to all a.new links might work, but be messy. Possibly an extension could do it with minimal changes to MediaWiki. Or, you could make the message in MediaWiki:Newarticletext so annoying that people have no choice but to click the link to the preload (not advised ^_^). --Splarka (rant) 21:34, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

PS: you can also add a &editintro= to the url which will show a template above the edit form (where preload shows it inside the edit form textarea). --Splarka (rant) 21:43, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

I think that this is done in Wiktionary (you can select a predefined format for a word type), so there must be a way. —Daniel (‽) 21:00, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

That is done via Wiktionary:MediaWiki:Noexactmatch, using <inputbox>. This still is voluntary, and doesn't show when someone clicks a red link (only shows when someone uses the search box). There are also ways to insert frameworks via MediaWiki:Edittools (also voluntary, as opposed to "automatically populated"). --Splarka (rant) 07:23, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Show/Hide bars

Is there a way to get the javascript show/hide bars in the monobook skin to work with tables, without using any <div> tags? Thanks, Shardsofmetal 22:36, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Glancing at MediaWiki:Monobook.js, it looks like it only checks for those classes in divs. --Splarka (rant) 07:39, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Print and show links

Is there a way to print an article and have the links show up as underlined (or otherwise marked)? I've been adding many articles on U.S. Navy ships of WWII, and learning a lot as I go. Now I want to go back through all the articles and check for the proper links (many obscure locations in the Pacific, many changed place names, etc.).

I know I could do it online, but for various reasons I'd much prefer to have printed copies of the articles in front of me. Lou Sander 22:52, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

The print style sheet is here. But you can try forcing it by adding to your monobook css (if that is the skin you use):

 @media print {
    a, a.external, a.new, a.stub {
	color: blue ! important;
	text-decoration: underline ! important;
    }
}

to make them all blue when printed, hopefully. --Splarka (rant) 08:02, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

XML export format change

Is there anywhere that Sunday (6 August's) Special:Export XML change is documented?

I use XML widely and the format change has caused chaos. Especially now the Misplaced Pages is at odds with other Wikis (here is an example where Wikinfo is trying to import a Misplaced Pages page: http://www.wikinfo.org/wiki.php?title=Doune - all the revisions are now there due to the XML change)

--Scotthatton 08:49, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

The only recent change I can see to it is revision 15959, which added an "experimental history paging API", and should not have changed anything on the output, except that you now do not get the full history by default. It's possible that your code was expecting to get only the top revision, without explicitly asking for it, and now that the code to get the history has been enabled again, it got confused by it; if so, your code is wrong (it should have asked explicitly for only the top revision). How are you using Special:Export? At least for me, it only returns either a single revision (when I ask for the top revision) or nothing (when I ask for the history); you must be doing something different. --cesarb 21:57, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I am using GetWiki 1.0 to retrieve the export page - as does WikInfo and many other sites. Coded this way, the Misplaced Pages Special:Export now has a different method than other Wikis. Surely this is bad news? --Scotthatton 07:59, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I downloaded the code and took a quick look at it (it's getwiki.php on that package). The import code is an ugly and brittle hack; instead of parsing the XML structure, it waits for an element (for instance "title"), outputs a prefix, waits for its end tag while outputting all the text, and outputs a suffix (and, in an even uglier hack, the prefix for "title" opens a comment on the output, while the prefix for "text" closes it, this way hiding everything in between). It also completely disregards the fact that XML is case-sensitive, and also completely disregards the fact that MediaWiki's schema uses a namespace (which means that, if Tim decided to change the XML to use a namespace prefix, all correctly implemented parsers would still parse it, and it would have changed exactly nothing in the XML structure, but this parser would break completely). It's doing almost the same thing as treating the XML as a text file and parsing it by hand with regexps.

Since the code is so brittle, it's no wonder it breaks; it's expecting exactly one revision, formatted in the XML in exactly the same way, while there's nothing on the schema which requires it to have only one revision, or even exactly that formatting. For performance reasons, the export code used to return only one revision; now that the code has added a limit of 200 revisions, the performance issue no longer exists, and it helpfully returns more than one revision. The broken way the getwiki code was implemented is completely unable to even notice there's more than one revision, and it happily outputs everything it finds, printing junk which was meant to be in a comment outside of one (since the comment was closed before the first revision text, by the ugly prefixing hack; in fact you can see the comment closing just before all the other revisions).

Personally, I'd throw that whole file (getwiki.php) in the recycle bin and rewrite it completely from scratch — in a way that respects the structure of the XML data, instead of blindly outputting stuff in reaction to each known tag. And I would make it request only one revision from Special:Export (there's a parameter to request only the top revision, use it!), instead of second-guessing how many it would return. --cesarb 14:40, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

For future reference, this has also been discussed at bugzilla:6946 (currently marked as INVALID). --cesarb 15:10, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Show/Hide colour on NavHead

Hi there. Does anyone have any idea how I might be able to make the Show/Hide text displays as white in the following code?.

Archaeology

Archaeoastronomy — Archaeology — Egyptian pyramids — Great Pyramid of Giza — Mummy — (5 articles)

Many thanks. --Mcginnly | Natter 11:38, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I do not use CSS, do you ? It seems that you have here a template = Template:Dynamic_navigation_box, or Template:Hidden, using a NavFrame class that is referred to in a script = javascript:toggleNavigationBar. Looks like that one is defined in the general script for user preferences = MediaWiki:Monobook.js, with no attributes. These objects have their page here in Misplaced Pages.

Maybe you could invoke another script with more parameters to play, but few people shall try your invention, unless you publish it (in one of your user subpages). Does that help ? -- DLL 19:37, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

And see also the former section "Show/Hide bars" which tells you about divs. If you, as I do, ignore everything about div, ask for more help. -- DLL 19:43, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry but I'm non the wiser. I know what CSS stands for and that's about it. I need instructions as to how to change the colour.--Mcginnly | Natter 22:46, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

You could wrap the whole thing in <div class="charboxwhite"></div> but then *all* links would be white, so you'd have to use <div class="charboxblue"></div> for the content. Unfortunately the javascript doesn't seem to allow multiple classes (like class="NavHead charboxwhite") or wrapping just the header div in another div. See below for an example. Also, see MediaWiki:Common.css for all such available class colors. Note: these classes are for something else, but the only way to change link colors for this javascript-created element are to add anchor color changes to the global css, so they work for this example. --Splarka (rant) 07:38, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Archaeology

Archaeoastronomy — Archaeology — Egyptian pyramids — Great Pyramid of Giza — Mummy — (5 articles)

Image on Commons not appearing in Misplaced Pages

I am trying to upload the kalidas_smarak.jpg image on the article Kalidas. I tried to upload the image more than a week ago; however, the image still does not appear. How do I resolve this problem? Thanks!--Wikindian 14:21, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I can't find your image at the commons on the link you've given above or in the article - are you sure it hasn't been deleted due to lack of copyright info etc? or could you provide me with a link?--Mcginnly | Natter 15:00, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Is this the image? Maybe it's a problem with server caching generating the thumbnail. --Aude (talk contribs) 15:24, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, it shows up now. Wikindian 15:31, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Google toolbar / Firefox bug fixed

The bug with breaking up long pages in Firefox with the Google toolbar, bugzilla:5643, has been resolved for almost a month now in version 2.1.20060713W of the toolbar, however the message about the bug is still displayed when editing long pages. Maybe someone can remove the message from MediaWiki:Longpagewarning or replace it by a hint to upgrade to the newest toolbar version. JePe 16:43, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Userboxes in Babel template

I am trying to use generic userboxes in the Babel template.

e.g. this is a sample code

This works fine.. however i am trying to understand how to use a generic userbox like this

e.g.

can anyone help me do that.. this doesn't seem to work for the cases where the userbox code expects an argument with a |. In other words, I don't know how to pass an argument to the userbox inside the Babel template

--Rev.bayes 20:06, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Try {{Babel|header = Computing | programming-!4{{!}}MATLAB }} —Mets501 (talk) 20:49, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Underlining

Misplaced Pages keeps switching to underlining the Wiki links and I can't figure out how to turn it off. Any help? Thanks! Sparsefarce 20:31, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it happens to everyone: it's unpreventable. When it happens, though, you can do a hard refresh to get rid of it temporarily; Mozilla/Safari: hold down Shift while clicking Reload (or press Ctrl-Shift-R), IE: press Ctrl-F5, Opera/Konqueror: press F5. —Mets501 (talk) 20:42, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I just click preferences, then click save, without changing any preferences. —Michael Z. 2006-08-08 21:37 Z

It is preventable, just add a { text-decoration: underline; } to your personal css if it bugs you overly much. Also see the Frequently Asked Questions at the top of this page, this question gets asked twice a week. --Splarka (rant) 07:46, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

How the heck did that get to the wrong section. Damn mediawiki! Thanks Patrick. --Splarka (rant) 22:30, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I am trying to nominate for afd the second time

I used {{subst:AfDx|second}} and got to step two, but when I go to step three, it returns me to the old afd instead of allowing me to log the article. The article is Syrnia but I end up at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Syrnia even though I completed step two and have written up my own reason. Mattisse(talk) 21:03, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Must be OK, I got "Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Syrnia (second nomination)" -- DLL 21:11, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

But I never logged it on the deletion log (the third step). You mean that it is logged anyway? Mattisse(talk) 21:14, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I saw the problem and completed it, putting it into the log. There are a few bad links left out there that don't go to the right place for the daily log. What did you click on to try step 3? Fan-1967 21:24, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I clicked on the usual arrow on the template placed on the article. (Just where I would if it were a first time nomination.) Mattisse(talk) 21:34, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

OK, I found it. The AFD template got fixed, but not the AFDx. I left a note to get it corrected. Fan-1967 21:38, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! Probably what happened is that when I nominated it I did not know that it already had a nomination history. I changed the template once I was directed to the first nomination. Changing the template probably screwed things up. Mattisse(talk) 21:48, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually the template was already screwed up, and you probably got confused when it dropped you into the wrong page instead of the daily log. It's been fixed now, for the next person. Fan-1967 21:52, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Userbox Categories

How can I make every user that has Template:User Narnia on his page, in the category "Users who love Narnia" or something like that? Bornagain4 00:03, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

For every user who hasn't subst'ed the template you can add ] to Template:User Narnia —Mets501 (talk) 00:09, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank u Bornagin4 00:13, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

What does it mean when an article's discussion page is a disambiguation page?

This is the case with Robert A Cunningham. So there is no way to have a discussion about the page. Mattisse(talk) 12:18, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

• It shouldn't have been, so I removed the template. –Abe Dashiell 12:21, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. Mattisse(talk) 12:30, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I encountered the case, it is easily generated and unseen. Just move an article and replace its original name with a disambiguation page. The discussion is stuck with one of the pages and a redirect created on the other.

To remove the template, you have to access the disamb link : click on the link following the words "redirected from" - or add &redirect=no to the address. Does that help ? -- DLL 19:12, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

How to change the stub category on an article? - disease vs. marketing term

The article in question is Sisi syndrome. I know that I could just change it myself but that might be improper, given my objections to its being categorized as a disease given on the talk page. Is there a person/process that is in change of choosing what category a stub goes in? Mattisse(talk) 14:34, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I would say that, even if you're completely correct about it not being a real disease (personally, I don't consider AD/HD to be a real disease, or any other bundle of symptoms which can have many different causes), it still falls, technically, under the "disease" category, the same way that an article explaining a fraudulent fossil might still fall under paleontology or archeology. --Kaz 17:35, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

O.K. Thanks. Mattisse(talk) 17:45, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Pages Created, and Page Views?

I have two things I'm curious about, and I'm hoping there's a script for finding them out:

• Is there a way to see a list of all articles I've created? It'd just be fun to see, but the user contributions page, unlike the watchlist, doesn't show the N flag for new pages.

• Is there any way to see a list of page views for a given page? Essentailly, a tally of how often the page is loaded (by people using wikipedia, I know it'd exclude all the many users reading sites copying the wiki database), as you'd have in a log analyzer or page tracker. Again, this would be for fun, it'd be nice to see how much, if any, a given page I (or someone else) created has served the readers.

--Kaz 17:30, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

• Special:Newpages now allows filtering by username.
• The MediaWiki page hit counters aren't enabled on Wikimedia due to performance issues (as the pages have to be cached to deal with the traffic, several thousand hits per second). Best thing to do is compare the number of edits. There is nothing you can do personally to log the hits (as it should be, as this would violate privacy issues).

--Splarka (rant) 22:28, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Articles-I've-created is a resource-intensive query, and isn't available on-wiki (though Special:Newpages shows the last couple of days, per Splarka). However, I'm happy to run this query for anyone at any time if they ask on my talk page (example). --Interiot 03:42, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Date & Time format will not save

The problem is, my Date and Time Preferences will not save. I go in, check the format I want, save it, and when I check it afterwards it has changed back to 'No preference'. This has only been happening in the past several days. Be gentle - I am very computer challenged.

Michael David 20:46, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Everyone's having this problem. There's nothing we can do about it yet (check above for a few postings of this same problem). —Mets501 (talk) 20:48, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Should be fixed now -- Tim Starling 18:48, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Nominated article using Afdx - since article was deleted July 23

But old discussion shows up on afd log. Article is Anthony Ulwick. My nomination is Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Anthony Ulwick (second nomination). The one showing up on today's afd log is Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Anthony Ulwick. That is the problem. Mattisse(talk) 21:47, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Seeking techie input on Sidebar redesign

We are looking for PHP programmers, and techies who know their way around the guts of Misplaced Pages. We need your advice at Misplaced Pages:Village pump (proposals)#Sidebar redesign proposal. --Nexus Seven 03:23, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Global search and replace

Dear friends:

Is there a global search-and-replace function over several pages?

Sincerely,

GeorgeLouis 03:56, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

No. Dragons flight 04:00, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

There's that bot that does some related job : but please check each page when using it. It's called AutoWikiBrowser. -- DLL 19:14, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Emergency bot shutoff button

There is something wrong with the emergency bot shutoff button. It has different problems in different browsers. All of my browsers are the latest versions as is my operating system (Mac OS 10.4.7), which has all of the updates. (I have to use multiple browsers because they all have serious problems with one or more of the following problems: website compatibility, bugs, lack of features, ease of use and speed (both for loading web pages and large downloads from high-speed sites, a browser can be good at one but not the other). If they had an updated Internet Explorer browser for Macintosh with tabbed browsing, effective pop-up blocking and the ability to force pages to open in a new tab instead of a new window, or if they only made Firefox with good bookmark handling and greater compatibility, I would pay $150 for it, easily.)

In Firefox 1.5.0.6 for Macintosh, the link to "Special:Blockip/bot name" that is supposed to be in the button extends far past its boundaries. I am unable to click on the "history" link at the top of the template page, it goes to the block page instead. It interferes with the links on the pages it is used on, too. The link extends far below the button as well. Another problem is that the "Administrators: Use this button if the bot is malfunctioning." text is partially inside the button. On my screen, the word "button" is mostly on the edge of the circle and the tips of the "t"s are inside of it. Finally, there is a lot of space between "Emergency bot shutoff button" and the circle.

In Netscape 7.2 for Macintosh, it is the same as Firefox, except that the block link does not extend as far up, so I am able to click on the history link at the top of the page.

In Safari 2.0.4, the button is much smaller than in Firefox, perhaps smaller than it is supposed to be. Like in Firefox, the block link extends far beyond the boundaries of the button. Also, the distance between "Emergency bot shutoff button" and the button is large for the size of the button. Finally, there is a huge distance between the button and the "Administrators: Use this button if the bot is malfunctioning." text.

In Internet Explorer for Macintosh 5.2.3, the button is very small, the link extends beyond the button's boundary's and there is a large distance between "Emergency bot shutoff button" and "Administrators: Use this button if the bot is malfunctioning." text. The distance is so large and the button so small that the block link only extend's halfway to the text on the bottom and the top. -- Kjkolb 04:51, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages site only shows alt text only (no images) - Firefox 1.5.0.6

I have no problem on other sites, or when using IE on Misplaced Pages, but Firefox 1.5.0.6 (my standard/pref'd browser) gives me only alt text, even when I set a user-agent spoofer to fake being IE.

If I click thru on alt text and then click on an image file's name, I can get to the image and display it, without changing user agent or anything. But nothing by alt txt in-line or elsewhere on the topic-article pages themselves.

ALSO, of course: No math formulas.

--Any ideas? Multiloquent 05:38, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Make sure you don't have images disabled. Try hitting F9 and reloading, or checking privacy settings. --NE2 05:54, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

> GOT IT. Thanks. Developer's toolbar by chrispederick defaults to block offsite img's.

THANKS.

IT'S NOT SO SIMPLE. It has been happening with MOZILLA 1.7.11 too, with images enabled. The trouble is, on first visiting an article, images are OK. The second time (ie., after viewing the article's history) all images just vanish. This began to happen only this week. --AVM 04:18, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Don't know which license to use for image

Needing a good portrait of the subject of a Misplaced Pages article, I e-mailed him personally with the request. He responded with a few high quality jpegs to use for this purpose. Now, I don't know which license tag to use for the images. Any help please? Thanks _si»abhorreo» 02:55, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

He needs to state explicitly that he releases them under a free for any purpose license, including the creation of derivative works and commercial uses without further permission. Typically, on Misplaced Pages, this is the Gnu Free Documentation License, but images are permitted under the Creative Commons licenses as long as they are the kind that allow commercial use and derivation. This particular case is confused somewhat if you specifically asked for use on Misplaced Pages and he granted that without having been told about the terms required or licensing them himself. Probably, it is not good enough in that case, and another email exchanged would be better.

Once you have such an email, upload the images using whichever tag is appropriate to the free license used (probably simply {{GFDL}} or {{cc-by-sa}}, {{cc-by-sa-2.0}} etc), with an additional note regarding sourcing and licensing on the image page. Also, email a copy of his emails to the Foundation at permissions dot wikimedia dot org so that the Foundation has a piece of notpaper to wave around if it comes to it.

Unless the copyright owner has made this kind of copyright statement, then such a tag should not be used. The best that could be claimed is fair use in a relevant article. -Splash - tk 03:07, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, he is a big enough star that all this talk of licensing and him forfeiting his rights and giving it away for free etc may very well scare him off. I know that if I was in his position and didn't know about this stuff, I would probably get nervous about doing something like this, worrying that it's something I might regret later. Is there any way for him to give (even more) explicit xpermission for it to be used on Misplaced Pages, which will let me use a tag like this Template:WithPermission? Thanks _si»abhorreo» 15:51, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

No, I'm afraid we no longer accept images with permission to use only on Misplaced Pages, because it limits reuse. You could try asking him to release just one of the images under a free license, or just low-resolution versions of the images. If this doesn't work, I'm afraid you can't upload them. Deco 18:33, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

This was bumped off of Village pump (technical) a while ago, but the matter has come back up, so I copy/pasted the above section from an old version of the page

OK, I got an e-mail in which the owner of the image explicitly releases it under a free license. When I tried to forward our e-mail exchange to "Foundation at permissions dot wikimedia dot org", however, I got an address does not exist error. Did I get the address wrong or has it changed or what? _si»abhorreo» 23:49, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requesting copyright permission and Misplaced Pages:Example requests for permission have another email address; try that one. --cesarb 02:35, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Bug in What Links Here?

Compare with . Seljuk Turks is a redirect to Seljuq dynasty. The page Seljuk Turk (singular) redirects to Seljuk Turks, thereby creating a double redirect. However, it doesn't show up at all in the list of links to Seljuq dynasty. What's going on here? Ardric47 00:42, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

As far as I know, double redirects do not show up on the Special:Whatlinkshere page. It's doing what it should as it shows the redirect. -- JLaTondre 00:53, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually, it's the triple redirects that do not show up. Look at the Whatlinkshere for Seljuk Turks and for Seljuq dynasty; the one for the redirect has more than 500 items, while the one for the article has less than that. It's not that it isn't showing for being a double redirect; a number of other articles aren't showing too (Eshrefoglu, for instance; in fact, the whole second page of Whatlinkshere results for the redirect). I've purged the redirect; it's possible that, when the job queue gets to it, the problem fixes itself. --cesarb 01:43, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

In fact, the article I just mentioned gets its link from a template; I've purged the template too, just in case. --cesarb 01:47, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, double redirects definitely show up. I did null edits on three templates that linked to Seljuk Turks, but that didn't fix it, either. Why is the job queue so long right now? Ardric47 02:05, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

long table of contents

I am promoting a merger of a long list of articles to a single one. My current proposed solution is at User:GarrieIrons/Westfields in Australia. My first immediate problem is the Table of Contents is longer than one screen. I understand it can be floated, but can the TOC be "fiddled" to "roll-up" subsections until they are clicked on? There are geographical sections based on Australian states and cities. I would like to see 1. Promotional Activities 2. Common Franchises 3. New South Wales 4. etc

But if you click on 1, 2, or 3, it expand so you get 3. New South Wales 3.1 Bondi Junction 3.2 etc.

Any suggestions? Have I merged too many articles, or do I need to turn some elements from real section headings to "pretend" section headings just using bold text? Garrie 00:55, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

First, take all your "External links" sections and merge them into a single one at the end. Then, remove a lot of headings; in several places, for instance, the heading "Stores" can be turned into a sentence like "Stores in this mall include:". These subsections all are small enough to not need to be separate. You will end up with most of the malls having no subheadings, and the few ones which need subheadings with one or at most two. Now the TOC is no longer the problem; if the article is too long, split it by geographic region, with a separate main article for the "lead". Hope this helps. --cesarb 01:33, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Finding and eliminating fair use galleries

We've decided that it's a good idea to get rid of fair use galleries, as they violate our core principles, but ... how do we find them other than trying to remember on our own where each of us saw them? One way I could think of is to use a <gallery>-type regex on a db dump, finding galleries with four or more images in them, and then checking the description pages on those images to see if they have any of the fair-use image templates on them. This won't be perfect, as some images don't have the exact templates, but rather, have a written out fair use rationale, but this could be a start. Might anyone be interested in pursuing this? I don't really have the technical ability to do it, but hopefully someone else does! --Cyde Weys 06:26, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Might it not be easier to check the usage of fair use images (by Whatlinkshere on templates in Category:Non-free_image_copyright_tags), making sure they are only used on one (or rarely two) pages? Any other usage (including galleries) could be eliminated. This does bring up another interesting problem: Are galleries on category pages (automatically generated) against the core principles? If so, __NOGALLERY__ might be needed on some categories. --Splarka (rant) 07:21, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Where'd the TOCs go?

Um... I'm not seeing any Tables of Contents anymore, even though my preferences still indicate I should see them. Am I the only one? - dcljr (talk) 08:20, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Nevermind, they're back. - dcljr (talk) 08:21, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Any way to remove underscoring of within-article hypertext?

The argument for underscoring is, I suppose, that newbies will more quickly figure that the hypertext is a link. As reader, however, I underscoring an unnecessary distraction. Thx. Thomasmeeks 15:28, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Either go to your perferences and click on the "misc" tab, then select "never" for the underlining links part. Or you can put this in your monobook.css:

a { text-decoration: none; }

If you don't want to bother with links at all, use:

/* IE-able */
a, a.new {color: black; text-decoration: none;}
/* NON IE */
a, a.new {color: inherit; text-decoration: none;}

GeorgeMoney (talk) 15:41, 11 August 2006 (UTC) Thx. Done. BW, Thomasmeeks 16:52, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Problem in fixing disambiguation link in userbox template

Hi, I was doing a bit of fixing of disambiguation links from Bucks Fizz, which can be either Bucks Fizz (band) or Bucks Fizz (cocktail). I found that the disambiguation page linked to User:Fizzerbear, who had this userbox template, saying "This user loves Bucks Fizz." After checking the context to see if the user loves the drink or the pop group (the template has "fan-3", and the user also loves ABBA and Kylie Minogue), I changed ] to ]. I pressed Preview, to see if it worked, and it actually appeared as "Bucks Fizz (band)". In other words, the piped link didn't work. I tried using the square brackets, but they were visible when I pressed preview. It seems that it should be possible for that template to allow a link to a favourite group without having to show the full Misplaced Pages title of the page. Any ideas? Thanks. AnnH ♫ 09:42, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

The trick is to use {{!}} instead of the pipe |. I have fixed the userpage. Kusma (討論) 09:52, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Many thanks. I must remember that for the future. AnnH ♫ 10:01, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I assume you tried something like {{User artist-3|Bucks Fizz (band)|Bucks Fizz}}, which calls the template with two parameters. You could do it like this: {{User artist-3|Bucks Fizz (band){{!}}Bucks Fizz}} (which is an ugly hack and should best be avoided if possible). The | is interpreted as a parameter separator in template calls, so it can't be used as part of the text for a parameter. MediaWiki software lacks an escape mechanism for terminal syntax symbols. A better way would be to change the template to have an additional parameter that takes the part "Bucks Fizz" of the call and add the pipe inside the template. --Ligulem 10:02, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

col and colgroup

Is there a way to define the {col} and {colgroup} attributes within a table using wiki markup? If so, how? I'd like to have all the numbers in one column aligned to the right but it is a pain to define the alignment in each cell. Help:Table is most useless when it comes to this question. Many thanks! -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 10:45, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

What links here bug?

This shows no pages linking to the page ] (I'm not linking it here lest it eliminate this problem!) and there are no file links listed on the image page. However, it is linked to as ] from Misplaced Pages:WikiProject edit counters. Is this a bug? Lupin|talk|popups 11:50, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

It's a known, ahem, "limitation" of the software. The workaround is {{notorphan}}. --cesarb 13:45, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Ah, thanks. Lupin|talk|popups 20:33, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages sidebar redesign problems

We are redesigning the sidebar that appears on every page of Misplaced Pages. However, we've run into some implementation problems. The biggest one is that we can't put a new menu below the search box. We need capable php programmers and those knowledgeable about the MediaWiki software to figure out a way. Please join us at Misplaced Pages talk:Village pump (proposals)/Sidebar redesign. --Nexus Seven 11:54, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Date format and preference problem

I've built a mediawki 1.7.1 installation at work. Dates appear in whatever format I type them in (ISO, whatever), not what I have set in preferences. Also, the ISO date link as one unit (y/m/d all as one), not as m/d and year as on wikipedia. How can I fix this? Do I need a plugin or extension? Is this being caused by one or two issues? There should be a guide on "How to get mediawiki to work just like Misplaced Pages" somewhere-;) Rlevse 12:18, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

It was the same here on WP until a couple of days ago when Tim Starling fixed it. —Mets501 (talk) 12:45, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Template

How does one make a template, such as an infobox, a certain width? Bornagain4 15:41, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

It depends if the template uses a width parameter. See this : Template:Dynamic_navigation_box. Does that help ? -- DLL 19:06, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Page history

When comparing two versions of a page on the page history, users (or at least me) have to click multiple times on the little dots on each version of the page. It would be nice if one did not have to do this every time one wants to compare another user's edits. Respectfully, Republitarian 17:27, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

There is an option to click on "Older edit" or "Newer edit" to see the diffs one at a time. Stephen B Streater 17:59, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

If you have a tabbed browser, you can also hold and click a bunch of those little (diff) links in a series to open them into new tabs. --Splarka (rant) 22:35, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Small table text

Is there any way of making all of the text in a table small, by putting just one tag around the table itself? Jim (Talk) 19:28, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

A table:

A table with a font-size:80% in the style:

A table with a font-size:80% in a wrapping div's style:

HTH. --Splarka (rant) 22:38, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Splarka. I get the feeling I should have figured this out for myself! Apologies for asking stupid questions... Jim (Talk) 10:13, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

CAT:CSD problem?

For some reason Vincent Mercer appears in CAT:CSD, yet the article isn't tagged for deletion. Am I missing something? What's up? --ZimZalaBim (talk) 21:43, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Ok, it has now disappeared, without any changes being made to the article. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 21:50, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

It was because a template transcluded into the article, which was briefly tagged as CSD. --cesarb 23:13, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Trying to make an infobox template

${\displaystyle \rho ={\frac {w}{V}}}$

This is what I have:

the code is at User:Musaabdulrashid/sandbox, feel free to play with it.

Simon Fraser University Pipe Band

But this is what I want:

????? Thanks--Musaabdulrashid 08:30, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I tried inserting <HR> tags, which didn't quite get the effect you were looking for, but repositioning them may help, I'll try again-

Userpage | Talk | contributions | sandbox | second sandbox | edit count

edit  Introduction My name is Mic, sometimes spelled Musaabdulrashid. I am basically a good person, though I am often at the wrong place at the wrong time. I like steering things and going places, so I will probably be attending either the United States Merchant Marine Academy, SUNY Maritime College, or California Maritime Academy next year. I play the bagpipes competitively in Grade 3, and that is where all my real knowledge is. edit  Important Musaabdulrashid's notable[REDACTED] moments this log: When I tried to delete the article on my high school and failed miserably. Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Pipe Bands The project I started to improve pipe band articles. 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Portal:Islam/DYK/2 ... that the Fatimid Caliphs built mosques in the Fatimid architecture style, such as al-Azhar Mosque (pictured), in Mahdia, Al-Mansuriya and Cairo? ...that Islam in Poland traces its history to the 13th century, with the advent of Tartar settlers? ...that Islam, Tahrif is the charge that Jewish and Christian holy books have been subject to change, alteration or forgery? More did you know facts More... Portal:Islam/DYK/3 ...that Zhang Chengzhi, who formed China's first group of Red Guards while a student at Tsinghua University Middle School (Tsinghua School pictured), converted to Islam? ...that an inquiry into Sidhom Bishay's execution for his refusal to convert to Islam and recounce Christianity resulted in the dismissal of a judge and a governor? ...that Muhammad had engaged as a diplomat for a time during his call to Islam? More did you know facts More... Portal:Islam/DYK/4 ...that a large number of Rwandans (flag pictured) converted to Islam after the 1994 Genocide? ...that the Islamic Emirate of Waziristan is a rebel organization that gained de facto recognition from the Government of Pakistan on September 5, 2006 as a result of negotiations between Islamabad and local tribesmen to end the Waziristan War? ...that before David Myatt converted to Islam in 1998 and endorsed Islamic terrorism, he had been active in Nazi satanism in the UK since the late 1960s? More did you know facts More... Portal:Islam/DYK/5 ...that the Islamic Emirate of Bari in Southern Italy was conquered (pictured) in 871 by Frankish and Lombard ground forces under Louis II of Italy, together with a Croatian fleet? ...that the Forum Against Islamophobia and Racism is a Muslim advocacy group which monitors media coverage of Islam and Muslims in the U.K.? ... that Sabr is the Islamic virtue of patience and endurance? More did you know facts More... Portal:Islam/DYK/6 ... that Maher Arar was deported to Syria (flag pictured) and tortured after being wrongly identified as an "Islamic Extremist" by Project O Canada? ... that Canadian supermodel Yasmeen Ghauri was the daughter of an Islamic cleric who opposed his daughter's career? ...that guests on the American PBS television series Soul! (1967–1971) included Stevie Wonder, African musician Hugh Masekela, and Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan? More did you know facts More... Portal:Islam/DYK/7 ...that while the earliest Syrian immigrants in the United States (Syria pictured) arrived in the 1880s, most Muslim Syrian Americans arrived over eighty years later, after the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965? ...that the Crusade of Varna required simultaneous attacks on the Muslim Ottoman Empire by Christian Hungary and the Muslim Karamanids, which did not occur? ...that the Moorish Revival spread around the globe as a preferred style of 19th-century synagogue architecture, because the Mudéjar style was associated with the golden age of Jewry in medieval Muslim Spain? More did you know facts More... Portal:Islam/DYK/8 ...that in the Muslim tradition, Bahira (pictured) was a Christian monk who foretold to the adolescent Muhammad his future prophetic career? ...that Sarat Chandra Bose, the brother of Subhash Chandra Bose attempted to obtain independence for a united Bengal with Muslim leader Huseyn Shaheed Suhrawardy in 1947? ...that on January 21, 2006 Ilan Halimi, a French Jew, was kidnapped by a gang of Muslim immigrant youths and subsequently tortured to death, with the motive being either money or anti-Semitism? More did you know facts More... Portal:Islam/DYK/9 ...that the book Description of Africa by the Muslim slave Joannes Leo Africanus was an important source of information on the North African Islamic civilization during the European Renaissance? ...that in Persia, non-Muslims were considered to be najis (ritually unclean) by Shi'a Muslims, and were not allowed to go outside in rain or snow for fear that some impurity could be washed from them onto a Muslim? ...that Silma Ihram decided to found Al-Noori Muslim Primary School in Greenacre, New South Wales after Presbyterian Ladies' College would not allow her daughters to wear hijabs in school? More did you know facts More... Portal:Islam/DYK/10 ...that although 99.8% of the population is Muslim, there is no official religion in Turkey (flag pictured)? ...that Ismat ad-Din Khatun was the wife of two important medieval Muslim princes, Nur ad-Din and Saladin? ...that the social reform organization Pasmanda Muslim Mahaz has been labeled "un-Islamic" by upper caste Muslims? More did you know facts More... Portal:Islam/DYK/11 ...that Jogendra Nath Mandal was a Hindu politician who served as the first Minister for Law and Labour of the Muslim state of Pakistan (flag pictured)? ...that the Indonesian Muslim organization Muhammadiyah has over 29 million members and manages several universities? ...that Saddam Beach in the Indian state of Kerala was given its name by local Muslim villagers after the Gulf War of 1991 in solidarity with former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein? More did you know facts More... Portal:Islam/DYK/12 ...that Huseyn Khan Nakhchivanski (pictured) was the only Muslim to be appointed General-Adjutant of the Emperor of Russia? ...that a major milestone in the decline of Buddhism in India came in 1193 when the great university at Nalanda was destroyed by Turkish Muslim raiders? ...that the Urdu movement, which sought to establish Urdu as the lingua franca of the Muslim communities of India, emerged from the fall of the Mughal Empire and became an integral part of the Pakistan movement? More did you know facts More... Portal:Islam/DYK/13 ... that durum wheat (pictured) was used to make al-fidawsh, a dry pasta popular in Muslim Spain? ...that in the 13th and 14th centuries, the Mongol Empire had an alliance with the Armenians against their common enemy, the Muslim Mamluks? ...that a Muslim fundamentalist beheaded a statue of the Virgin Mary at St. Augustine's and carted a statue of Father Serra to a nearby mosque in October 2001? More did you know facts More... Portal:Islam/DYK/14 ...that Mohammad Amin al-Husayni met Adolf Hitler in December 1941 (pictured) in Europe? ...that Muslim scholar Maulvi Abdul Haq is decorated as the Father of Urdu in Pakistan? ...that the Amman Message was a statement issued by King Abdullah II of Jordan calling for tolerance and unity in the Muslim world? More did you know facts More... Portal:Islam/DYK/15 ...that Shamsunnahar Mahmud and Roquia Sakhawat Hussain (pictured) were Muslim feminists of the Bengal renaissance? ...that 12th-century Muslim scientist Al-Khazini, who proposed a theory of gravitation long before Isaac Newton, was, in his early life, a slave of the Seljuq Turks? ...that the 110th United States Congress freshman class contains members from diverse backgrounds, including a professional football player, a Navy vice admiral, several former teachers, and the first Buddhist and Muslim members? More did you know facts More... Portal:Islam/DYK/16 ...that in 717 Al-Hurr ibn Abd al-Rahman al-Thaqafi became the first Muslim commander ever to cross the Pyrenees mountain range (pictured)? ...that Bhudev Mukhopadhyay taught at Hindu, Muslim and Christian schools? ...that before the Bagratids unified Georgia, Caucasian Iberia was ruled by a succession of princes under the influence of the Byzantines, the Persians and the Muslim Caliphate from the 6th to the 9th centuries? More did you know facts More... Portal:Islam/DYK/17 ... that the Palestinian village of Nabi Samwil (pictured), near Jerusalem, is regarded by Muslims, Jews and Christians alike as a holy site for containing the tomb of Samuel? ...that the Muslim Revolution of Agriculture industrialized sugar production, building the first sugar refineries and sugar plantations in the 8th century? ...that the Barack Obama Muslim rumor has been circulating on the Internet since 2004? More did you know facts More... Portal:Islam/DYK/18 ... that in 1935, the Supreme Muslim Council built the an-Nasr Mosque (pictured) in the Palestinian city of Nablus after an earthquake in 1927 completely destroyed the previous structure on the site? ...that one of the most important advances in medieval Muslim psychology was the establishment of the first psychiatric hospitals? ... that Arya Samaj spearheaded the 19th-century cow protection movement, Hindu opposition to Muslim cow sacrifice, leading to violent riots spreading all across India? More did you know facts More... Portal:Islam/DYK/19 ... that both Christians and Muslims ritually sacrifice lambs during the Feast of Saint George in the Palestinian town of al-Khader (pictured) near Bethlehem? ... that Mohammad Usman Rana, a Norwegian Pakistani student, is one of the prolific Muslim debaters in the Norwegian public sphere? ... that Islam: The Straight Path by John L. Esposito is an introductory text on Islam that devotes half its content to the development of Islam in modern and reformist times? More did you know facts More... Portal:Islam/DYK/20 ... that Jacob's Well (pictured) in Nablus is a site associated with Jacob in Jewish, Samaritan, Christian and Muslim tradition? ... that khutba is the sermon delivered before the Muslim weekly congregational prayers on Friday, and after the annual congregational prayers on each of the two Muslim festivals? ...that Libyan president Muammar al-Gaddafi created the paramilitary Islamic Legion primarily associated with the seven year Libyan-Chadian War? More did you know facts More... Portal:Islam/DYK/21 ...that Georgia’s capital Tbilisi (pictured) functioned as the center of an Islamic emirate under the Arab rule from 736 to 1122? ...that the Islamic Spaniard Judar Pasha led 4,000 Moroccans to victory against more than 40,000 Songhai troops at the Battle of Tondibi, putting an end to West Africa's Songhai Empire? ...that in the 1850s, El Hadj Umar Tall founded a short-lived Islamic empire covering modern day Guinea, Senegal, and Mali? More did you know facts More... Portal:Islam/DYK/22 ...that in the 1970s, Tatar painter Baqi Urmançe (pictured) painted Islamic calligraphy in the Soviet Union, something which was prohibited? ...that Malaysian politician and MP Badruddin Amiruldin has publicly said that those who oppose Islamic theocracy should leave the country? ...that an edition of Alpin, a supplement of the Bangladeshi newspaper Prothom Alo, was banned by the caretaker government for publishing a controversial cartoon in relation to the Islamic prophet Muhammad? More did you know facts More... Portal:Islam/DYK/23 ...that the Pakistan coup attempt of 1995 aimed to establish an Islamic caliphate in Pakistan by overthrowing prime minister Benazir Bhutto (pictured)? ...that Khwaja Ahsanullah and his son Khwaja Salimullah clashed over the latter's Islamic fundamentalism? ...that the Alfathi brand of red meat from Nortura combines the strict Islamic rules concerning food preparation for slaughter with Norwegian cuisine? More did you know facts More... Portal:Islam/DYK/24 ...that the map (pictured) by Piri Reis, a 16th-century Islamic cartographer, is the oldest surviving Turkish map to show the Americas? ...that the Islamic Republic of Iran Railways add about 500 km of new track each year to their network with planned links to Iraq, Pakistan, and Afghanistan? ...that although the official cause of the 2007 Balad aircraft crash is fog, the insurgent group Islamic Army in Iraq says they shot it down? More did you know facts More... Portal:Islam/DYK/25 ... that after being sentenced, beaten and left for dead for refusing to recite Muslim scriptures, Vaishnava convert Haridasa Thakur's (pictured) instant recovery convinced many he was a pir? ...that the Islamic prophet Muhammad, while in Mecca, was a merchant involved in trade between the Indian Ocean and the Mediterranean Sea? ...that the Persian political-philosophical treatise, the Siyasatnama, provides evidence for the survival of pre-Islamic traditions within the Saljuq empire? More did you know facts More... Portal:Islam/DYK/26 ...that Larycia Hawkins, American professor at Wheaton College, was suspended after she wore a hijab and made comments regarding Christianity and Islam in December 2015? ...that many Iranian women chose not leave their houses, and a few even committed suicide, to avoid removing their hijabs due to Reza Shah's Kashf-e hijab decree? ...that Supreme Leader of Iran Ayatollah Ali Khamenei issued a fatwa banning acquisition, development, and use of nuclear weapons? More did you know facts More... Nominations Any Islam justice-related WP:DYKs that have previously appeared at Template:DYK may be added to the next available subpage, above. All hooks must first have appeared on the Main Page in the Did you know section. Note: -- Each hook and selected fact requires a link cited at its respective subpage to the time it appeared on the Main Page in Template:Did you know, or the associated WP:DYK archive at Misplaced Pages:Recent additions. This is a Misplaced Pages user page. This is not an encyclopedia article or the talk page for an encyclopedia article. If you find this page on any site other than Misplaced Pages, you are viewing a mirror site. Be aware that the page may be outdated and that the user whom this page is about may have no personal affiliation with any site other than Misplaced Pages. The original page is located at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical). Musaabdulrashid/sandbox2 Simon Fraser University Pipe Band Established 1966 Location Burnaby, British Columbia Grade 1 Pipe major Terry Lee Drum sergeant J. Reid Maxwell Tartan Ancient Fraser Notable honours Winner, World Pipe Band Championships: 1995, 1996, 1999, 2001 Website www.sfupipeband.com Lynbarn 14:11, 12 August 2006 (UTC) Try using class="infobox bordered" instead of class="infobox". It probably isn't exactly what you want, but it should be a start (it adds borders between the table cells). When using bordered, you can control the borders with other classes (borderless, mergedtoprow and mergedrow). Unfortunately, I don't know where all this is documented; you might want to ask the one who added these classes to MediaWiki:Common.css, he might help you with that. --cesarb 16:35, 12 August 2006 (UTC) Ohhhh, awesom. This is very nice looking except that I have to shorten "Drum Sergeant" to "D. Sergeant" or else it would look like Reid was the drum and Ancient Fraser was the Sergeant tartan. I am going to go ahead and create this now and work out the kinks later. Thank you all--Musaabdulrashid 20:03, 12 August 2006 (UTC) Is there any section which explains the various tags within the XML dump file I would like to publish the contents of[REDACTED] on my site. I am looking for a list of all the possible xml tags and their explanation. Any idea where I can locate that information. Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.163.2.66 (talk • contribs) 09:10, August 12, 2006 (UTC). The list of the possible XML tags, and what is allowed within each of them, is on the XML Schema which can be found at http://www.mediawiki.org/xml/export-0.3.xsd. --cesarb 16:47, 12 August 2006 (UTC) Promotional image tag I want to upload a promotional image for a band. I've found the correct tag: {{promotional}} However, I can't figure out what to put for licensing. I've gone down the drop-down list numerous times, and none of them seem to correspond. Could anyone with a bit more experience uploading images help me out a bit? Thanks in advance! --NinjaCharlie 16:57, 12 August 2006 (UTC) If you just type the tag into the box, then that shall suffice. You do not have to selected an item from the drop down box. (I also corrected the display of the template above. To talk about a template but not show it, you need to add tl| before the name, so the above would be {{tl|promotional}} and will display as above. It helps prevent confusion and since this page isn't being applied the Promotional copyright, it's also not correct to put it on here like that. No big deal though.) Be sure to include the source URL or whatever you found the image. MECU≈talk 17:09, 12 August 2006 (UTC) Oops, sorry about that. Thank you for the help! --NinjaCharlie 17:13, 12 August 2006 (UTC) search box focus How would one go about making the focus of a Misplaced Pages site the search box every time? For example, if you opened the Main Page and you wanted a blinking cursor in the search box without any input from the user, how would you do that or where would be a good place to find out? Thanks.ndyguy 18:15, 12 August 2006 (UTC) If you're using the monobook skin, press -f to put the cursor in the search box. There's no way to do it automatically. —Mets501 (talk) 18:36, 12 August 2006 (UTC) Bummer, but thanks for the info. ndyguy 18:44, 12 August 2006 (UTC) Add to Special:Mypage/monobook.js: addOnloadHook(function() {document.getElementById('searchform').elements.focus(); return false;;}); --Splarka (rant) 20:25, 12 August 2006 (UTC) Awesome, works like a charm. Thank you. --ndyguy 20:32, 12 August 2006 (UTC) next and previous page Hi all, at the dutch wikibooks we like to use the buttons "next page" and "previous page" in a book (see: http://nl.wikibooks.org/Rekenen/Modulair_rekenen : '← Vorige'). However this method is very stupid when the sequence of the pages is changed, or if a page is added or removed (the 'surrounding' pages have to be changed too). Is there a way to 'calculate' the next and previous link automatically? My idea was to make for each book a page with a table of contents in a specific layout so the computer can read it. By placing a template the computer can look into the TOC-page and calculate the previous and next page. Is something like this possible, has anyone a link? You can answer in this page, or at nl:b:overleg gebruiker:MADe 86.39.65.85 Hmm, what could be done is to put it all in a 'table of contents' type template. This would require one base template (I chose Template:Pageflip to test) for the system and then one sub-template for each book (eg Template:Pageflip/Test book). Whenever you wanted to add/remove/rearrange pages, you need only edit the TOC subtemplate for that one book, which maintains a list of the next and previous page for each page (and must also contain the name of the book as the first parameter). The implementation is just one #switch which calls a next/for generating template, eg: {{#switch:{{PAGENAME}} |Pageflip/Test book=Edit this template to add, remove, or rearrange pages. |Test book/Table of Contents={{Pageflip|Test book||Forward}} |Test book/Forward={{Pageflip|Test book|Table of Contents|Page 1}} |Test book/Page 1={{Pageflip|Test book|Forward|Page 2}} |Test book/Page 2={{Pageflip|Test book|Page 1|Index}} |Test book/Index={{Pageflip|Test book|Page 2|}} |#default=Note: This page is not listed in the ]. Please add it. }} And then it requires just one parameter-free template on each page of the book. See wikiasite:Scratchpad:Test book and view the source of the pages to see it in action. However, if you wanted a TOC in hujman readable format, it would need to be maintained (as it could not be easily generated from this list while keeping the list easy to edit), so there would be at least two pages needing editing with this method. Still, makes it easy to totally rearrange a book's pages with just two edits. Let me know if you need any help or more information/possibilities. --Splarka (rant) 05:05, 13 August 2006 (UTC) Wiki markup Shouldn't we have a central guide to wiki markup?--Mac Lover 23:13, 12 August 2006 (UTC) There is a guide here, is that what you are looking for? Prodego 23:42, 12 August 2006 (UTC) No, but I found a link to what I wanted. Thanks.--Mac Lover 04:00, 13 August 2006 (UTC) Page history problems - can't view changes I can't view the changes between different versions i.e. the "compare selected versions" in the history of pages. I was always able to until one day I fiddled around in my preferences and now whenever I want to view the differences between past pages, a file download window always appears asking to download a file named "index" of an unknown file type and when I open this file, with Internet Explorer some random text appears. What's wrong? How do I fix this? I tried going through my preferences and changing them back - but the problem is still there! Please help!! Tanzeel 23:41, 12 August 2006 (UTC) You probably turned on "Use external diff by default" which is under the Editing section of your preferences. Turning it off should fix the problem. Let me know if it doesn't, happy editing! Prodego 23:45, 12 August 2006 (UTC) How to escape indents? Hi, how do I make sure a new paragraph starts at the leftmost point, past a picture that might keep it indented? Example: 118 WallyPower. If your browser window has the right width, the "Features" section title is indented (because its below a picture) while the accompanying hr-line is not. I'd like to move both elements a bit down, and I know there is a mediawiki command for that ("move an element as much down as needed so that it can stay leftmost"). Can anybody tell me its name? Question 2: Can anybody pinpoint me to the complete mediawiki command set overview? Thanks! :-) Peter S. 23:54, 12 August 2006 (UTC) Answer to the first question: use {{-}}.-gadfium 00:40, 13 August 2006 (UTC) To the second question: see Misplaced Pages:Quick guide, or if you want a printed sheet, use Image:Cheatsheet-en.pdf.-gadfium 00:44, 13 August 2006 (UTC) Fantastic, thanks! :-) I'm actually looking for a guide that is very complete, ideally it should also include things like this template. Might I suggest we create one if there is none? Peter S. 00:51, 13 August 2006 (UTC) I suggest you go to Misplaced Pages:Help Project to suggest and participate in improvements to the help system. For useful templates, Misplaced Pages:Template is one starting point. Category:Misplaced Pages special effects templates is a different starting point, or Category:Misplaced Pages templates as a more general listing. Templates are different from the MediaWiki command set, because many will be specific to the English Misplaced Pages.-gadfium 01:09, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

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