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Signpost Arbitration interview request

Excuse me. I am lead writer for the Signpost's "Arbitration Report" and am wondering if you would be interested in answering some interviews questions as an outgoing Arbitrator. The questions will be asked through email, unless answering them here would be a more suitable choice. GamerPro64 18:57, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

@GamerPro64: Thanks for the offer, but no thanks. I stepped down early to do more article work - I'd rather spend my time on that than on an arbcom retrospective. However I'm sure you'll get a couple of the outgoing Arbs to comment, so all the best with the interviews. And thanks to you and everyone else who works in the Signpost - I haven't agreed with every article but it's always a worthwhile read. -- Euryalus (talk) 12:57, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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Thanks for your service, Euryalus. Back to your ships now. Drmies (talk) 05:02, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
@Drmies: Thanks, that's very nice of you. In passing I'm already there, and it looks a lot more fun than whatever you all are doing over at ACN. -- Euryalus (talk) 05:11, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
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Thank you

Hi Euryalus. I've been wanting to post some thank you notices to the outgoing Arbs, but circumstances have prevented me from doing so until now. Anyway, I thought I'd drop a quick note to say thank you for your hard work on the committee. I was pleased to see a fresh face applying for Arbcom, and think you did an excellent job in a tough year. Thanks for your hard work. Worm(talk) 14:34, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXVIII, January 2016

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Nomination of Natalac Records for deletion

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Not my article (see below, I was just the OTRS guy). Pinging Rosemaryujoh as the account with the largest role in editing and transferring the userspace draft. -- Euryalus (talk) 08:14, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Keep This Misplaced Pages Pages has been on for 10 years, but after 10 years later demoted to User Draft because of improper format and lack of references" Now some references have been added.... I believe as a artist grows so do their enemies... Yameka (talk) 08:51, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Nomination of Natalac Sheldon Martinez Davis for deletion

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@CNMall41: Thanks for the notification but I didn't create this article - I'm just the OTRS volunteer who userfied a requested draft. Pinging Yameka and Benleg4000 as the accounts with the biggest role in editing this page. -- Euryalus (talk)|
Sorry. I will send a "thank you" card to Twinkle (damn this automation)! --CNMall41 (talk) 07:09, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
No problems. -- Euryalus (talk) 08:16, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Keep This Misplaced Pages Pages has been on for 10 years, but after 10 years later demoted to User Draft because of improper format and lack of references" Now some references have been added.... I believe as a artist grows so do their enemies... Yameka (talk) 08:50, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

@CNMall41: Thanks for the nomination. Well, I only improved the page and also added some references.

Actually, the Natalac Sheldon Martinez Davis page was created long before March 18, 2010, (about 10 years ago).

Now this[REDACTED] policy says: Unsourced biographies of living people (BLPs) created after March 18, 2010, can be proposed for deletion using a special proposed deletion process. Refer to these 2 links

https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Proposed_deletion_of_biographies_of_living_people

https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons

So, it means, the Natalac Sheldon Martinez Davis shouldn't be deleted since it was created before March 18, 2010.

Aside from that, I've improved the page and added some referencesBenleg4000 (talk) 10:17, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for supporting my RfA

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Thank you for participating in and supporting my RfA. It was very much appreciated. Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:00, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Natalac

Can I ask you why, when you created User:Natalac/draft, you copy pasted rather than move the deleted article at Nat (rapper)? That action lost the history of the page and it seems to me to be a breach of the licensing terms. The point is moot now as the article has just been deleted yet again, but I would be inclined to merge histories just in case it ever gets undeleted or userfied again. SpinningSpark 12:19, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. Short answer is I don't remember. One possibility, seeing as they contacted me via OTRS is that they did not actually link the two articles but simply forwarded me a draft directly and asked for it to be userfied for them. Alternatively, I may have made a human error and forgotten to merge the two pages. Or there may be some other explanation currently buried in the depths of old OTRS tickets.
To explore this further I would have to go back through the tickets from 2014 and spend some time doing a chronology. And as the article has (rightly) been deleted again, I agree with you that this seems a bit moot. If it was indeed a human error then please accept my apologies. -- Euryalus (talk) 20:16, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
That wasn't meant as a criticism, nor do I need you to dig out the old archives. I just wanted to confirm I wasn't missing something before doing a history merge (...and maybe I was hoping you would do that so I didn't have to bother, but it's done now). SpinningSpark 20:57, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
Oh no problems, it was an entirely fair question. Thanks for doing the merge too. -- Euryalus (talk)<

The Bugle: Issue CXIX, February 2016

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Saint Francisco & Saint Paulo

Hi Euryalus, do you know what happened to Saint Francisco & Saint Paulo when she was sold in Sydney? I assume that she may have been broken up due to her leaky condition. Regards Newm30 (talk) 23:59, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

@Newm30: apologies, somehow I missed this post. The other Spanish ship was pressed into colonial service, but not this one unless it was renamed. Give me another day or so and I'll see what I can find. -- Euryalus (talk) 03:02, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
@Euryalus: I have found in Llyods Register under San Francisco & San Paulo between 1805-1811, indicates capture in 1804, she was owned by Ellioiviaga, built at Valencia and plied the Bristol to Bilboa route. No record after 1811? Regards Newm30 (talk) 03:13, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Mikedonald711

Hi Euryalus, I read the blunt warning you added to the above users talkpage as a result of being brought to ANI. It's too bad it has to come this, but it might be time to look at a block. I doubt he's going to change anytime soon, has edited two articles since the warning, one unsourced that made no sense , and the other added unsourced personal information to a living persons article.. I have reached out to him several times in the past year offering to help him, but was ignored as were any attempts I or others made to try to explain policy to him including WP:BLP. By now he should know not to add the name of a spouse without providing a source, but that's the same type of edit I just reverted him for. Cmr08 (talk) 09:21, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, I think I placed this message in the wrong location. You can just ignore it, or remove it if you want. Cmr08 (talk) 22:34, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
User:Mikedonald711 is still at it with his unsourced and poorly written edits to articles. These are his latest ones: Creativity-II (talk) 05:36, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
Apologies for the delay, will have a look at this in an hour or so from now. -- Euryalus (talk) 09:52, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
I had to revert him again, this time adding the subjects middle name unsourced.. I left another message on his talk page, but I doubt it's going to do help. Cmr08 (talk) 03:57, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
Its abundantly clear there has been no improvement so far in his willingness to source his edits. However the edit rate is so low that there seems little immediate point in a block. Let's see if there's improvement if/when he returns to active editing. @Mikedonald711:, pinging you so you're aware of the discussion. -- Euryalus (talk) 03:00, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of HMCS Integrity (1804)

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Your GA nomination of HMCS Integrity (1804)

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DYK for HMS Integrity

I've reviewed it (although I've asked for a second reviewer as I'm new to this), and the only problem I've found is that the first hook is not referenced in the text, so you'd have to go with ALT1. Red Fiona (talk) 23:40, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, replied at the DYKN page. It's referenced in the second last line of the "Construction" section. -- Euryalus (talk) 07:00, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

A beer for you!

For your thoughtful closures on ANI. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 06:31, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Need a vandal blocked

Hi. Sorry to bother you directly, but can you please block Big8388desa (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)? I reported him to AIV, but he's on a vandalism spree, and nobody is there. Also, Egg (Illumination Entertainment) is an article he just created and probably needs to be speedy deleted as hoax/vandalism. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 07:25, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

 Done by various people. -- Euryalus (talk) 07:54, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 08:08, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

ANI closure

Hi, Euryalus. I just wanted to comment on the closure of the ANI.

I would have been so happy not to have started this if they’d simply responded to me on their talk page with some version of “I’m sorry, you’re right, that was uncalled for,” or to drop it if they’d responded at ANI ditto; what I wanted was some feeling that they’d at least try to be civil in future dealings with editors with whom they disagreed. Instead what I got was that in future they'd maybe make sure they weren't being incivil to someone who might put up a fuss. I’ve made my point; if no admin thinks it's worth dealing with, at least there’s now another ANI on record for this pattern of behavior. Maybe next time it comes up some admin will think it’s worth dealing with to try to make WP a place with a tiny bit more civility.

I know this editor does many valuable things and is a good editor and in all likelihood a good person and even generally polite when dealing with people face to face. But if they were rude to me over what was literally NOTHING, not even a conflict directly with him, just a simple and reasonable and civilly-worded comment in an AfD which didn't upset ANY other participant, including those who might have had a right to be upset but instead who assumed good faith, then they're probably doing it all over the place. Research on customer service has shown that an extremely small percentage -- like in the 2% range -- of people who have a bad experience with an organization will complain to the organization. The rest will simply go away and tell everyone they know of their bad experience. And of course these days, 'everyone they know' means social media. We should be thanking people like me who are willing to follow up a complaint in a civil manner, asking for it to be dealt with by an admin. Instead our admins ignore them. valereee (talk) 11:43, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

@Valereee: Thanks for the message and apologies for the slightly delayed reply - I haven't been here as much as usual the last couple of days. Let me start by saying there's nothing wrong with your having raised this issue at ANI. The close is not a reflection on you, and should not be taken to mean your complaint had no value. As you probably know, civility issues have been an ongoing debate for some years. Sometimes debate centres on swearing by editors (but less so following recent Signposts). Sometimes it's around harassment. Most often it's about how rudeness simply makes the editing environment less pleasant for everyone and reduces willingness to edit and productivity in editing. Various answers and standards have been proposed, without much success. FWIW there's also a contingent that argue that Misplaced Pages offers a much less hostile environment than most other websites, so presumably we don't need to do anything at all.
My opinion, backed up somewhat by WP:NPA: Misplaced Pages is not a "workplace" in any legal sense, but the appropriate standard of conduct is to treat people as you'd treat actual work colleagues. That means you do get to argue vociferously to advance your case, but you don't get to call people names, stalk them, or form a gang of fellow workers to bully them. Equally (and relevant to this ANI thread), if someone loses their temper and uses an insulting name, they should apologise and back off. We can't measure the sincerity of the apology - it's the fact that it's made that matters in the first instance. Someone who repeatedly loses their temper and insults others, or someone who is so insulting even in a one-off that they simply couldn't be tolerated in a workplace, shouldn't be tolerated in Misplaced Pages either.
In this case, an insulting name was used and then withdrawn with an apology. It was appropriate you raised it. It was appropriate that it was apologized for. But absent evidence of a pattern of behavior, there's not must else to be done. I've never worked with you or the other editor involved, but in the circumstances I'm pretty sure you can both get back to productive editing if you accept the apology and the incident doesn't recur. If there's repeat incidences, please come back and highlight them. And in general, please do keep raising anything that affects the editing environment, good or bad. -- Euryalus (talk) 12:39, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
Euryalus, no worries -- I'm not upset at the outcome, I just wanted to comment. I'm with those who think the general level of rudeness reduces willingness to edit, and I strongly suspect it's a major factor in the gender gap here. The fact it's worse other places is a nonstarter for me. I don't care how they do it on 4chan, young man, at our house we keep a civil tongue in our mouths.  :) Best wishes to you! valereee (talk) 11:47, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
@Valereee: I agree with you re the general level of rudeness. Mind you I mostly edit old Royal Navy articles, where a certain gentility prevails. -- Euryalus (talk) 11:54, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXX, March 2016

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WP:ANI#Proposed community ban for the "Perun" disruptive editor

Hi, you closed this with a topic ban that nobody had been proposing or discussing. Instead, there was unanimous support for the proposed full community ban. Could you please re-close the discussion in line with this consensus? Thanks,  Sandstein  09:11, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Don't know what I was thinking. Amended. If you disagree with the wording of the amendment, please feel free to further modify it with my blessing. -- Euryalus (talk) 09:45, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
Will log it when at a PC, in an hour or so. -- Euryalus (talk) 09:46, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

DYK for HMCS Integrity (1804)

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A barnstar for you!

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For your unmatched expertise in closing and deciding complex disputes. Thank you for your tireless service to Misplaced Pages. Softlavender (talk) 01:35, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
@Softlavender: thanks, that's very kind of you. -- Euryalus (talk) 10:46, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Quick note on your ANI close re Gamergate

About your closing remarks at the Flyer/Charlotte ANI (which were very well done!!) about the GamerGate arbcom case and the " (b) any gender-related dispute or controversy", please see here. Part b was intended to be very broad. Jytdog (talk) 05:40, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

@Jytdog: hi, and thanks for the kind words. I had the dubious honour of being able to vote on the Gamergate remedies, and acknowledge there are several ways to interpret the scope of the sanctions. My argument is that the gender-related component of the Gamergate DS was included to draw a line around the likely areas into which the case subject could spread. It was therefore designed to cover more than just writing pro- or anti-Gamergate commentary into peripheral articles; it also covered attempts to (say) reinterpret unrelated gender articles through a Gamergate lens, or (say) extend the poisonous "battle of the sexes" attitude from Gamergate, into POV crusades in random sexuality articles.
However a key point of any Arbcom decision is that the remedies must relate to the locus of the dispute. The relationship can be distant, but it has to be there. In this instance, the relationship is not there. To my knowledge, Charlotte135 is not a Gamergate-related editor, and their hounding of Flyer22 Reborn was not about advancing a Gamergate agenda. It was simply hounding which happened to occur in gender-related pages because that's where Flyer22 Reborn was editing at the time.
Of course, this is all a bit academic. We could seek a clarification at ARCA, but only if we all had nothing better to do. Short of that, the TL:DR: when a choice is possible, I prefer a narrow and locus-specific interpretation of Arbcom remedies. But other views are welcome, and are equally likely to be valid. -- Euryalus (talk) 10:43, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
Well I am an idiot aren't I. Sorry for not realizing you were part of that arbcom and would know better than 99.9% of people here including me what was intended. I'm sorry, and thanks for your gracious reply. Jytdog (talk) 17:03, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
@Jytdog: meh. That's what we were thinking when we wrote it, but it doesn't make us right in practice. It may be that a broader interpretation of the Gamergate DS would be a good idea in reducing disruption. I wouldn't personally support that, but it's a perfectly valid argument to put to ARCA now the sanctions have had a year of field testing. @Jytdog: repinging as forgot to sign. -- Euryalus (talk) 20:41, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
Hm. Hm Hm. That makes sense, and I will keep that in mind. I always thought they were broader and have thought that was smart; I don't have data to back this up but my impression is that "men's rights" POV pushers entered like the tide coming in along with GamerGate specific folks. I don't want to take up arbcom's time with a theoretical but will look out for test cases. Thanks again. Jytdog (talk) 00:26, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Range block

Looks like blocking the range 120.88.228.0/24 would fix the little IP hopping issue we're seeing on Widr's talk page :-) ~Oshwah~ 08:20, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Oh God, thank you BethNaught! Finally :-). Also, thank you, Euryalus for helping me with all of those reversions. Now I have another sock puppet IP hopper to get blocked :-D ~Oshwah~ 08:30, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
Thanks BethNaught and Oshwah. I've also semi-protected the talkpage for a while. Seems a bit redundant given the range block, but perhaps it avoids more time-wasting from whoever it is. -- Euryalus (talk) 08:38, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
Good call, Euryalus. It'll save some headaches (or at least until they pick another talk page to start harassing) :-) - great teamwork you two! <3 ~Oshwah~ 08:44, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
Thanks to all of you. Widr (talk) 09:08, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

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DYK for HMS Constant (1801)

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SPI

about this would you consider changing that to just saying "yes" instead of giving the address? just asking per the regular impulse to keep SPIs down low. thx Jytdog (talk) 10:00, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

@Jytdog: thanks for the message, but don't understand why the SPI shouldn't be mentioned. Btw I suspect this is meat puppetry rather than socks. Either way, feel free to flick me an email if there's a confidentiality issue. -- Euryalus (talk) 10:04, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
when i first started here i used to give notices when i filed SPIs and someone said to me "we don't do that for a reason - if people who sock aren't smart enough to watch spi we don't want to tip them off" or something. which seemed not unwise to me as a general practice. i won't change your comment! just wanted to ask. thanks for replying, in any case. Jytdog (talk) 10:13, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Topic ban violation

This, this and this is a clear violation of the topic ban. Domestic violence is undoubtedly a gender topic (in addition to being a medical, legal and social topic) and consensus has twice supported disruption at that article and talk page in this case. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 22:25, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

And I don't see how there could be any misunderstanding of what that topic ban involves, given what you explained. How could anyone think that the Domestic violence article is not a gender or gender-related topic, given its heavy references to gender? Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 22:59, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

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