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That's right y'all.

Hundreds of low-quality esports articles. Please advise.

Hello, Drmies. There's a growing issue with Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Video games/eSports, in that there are now hundreds of low-quality articles, with more being created on a daily basis, that feature non-notable content, poor citing that generally includes The Daily Dot and Liquipedia, as well as navboxes that are borrowed from gaming wikis, but should not be considered up to par for Misplaced Pages standards. You could probably click a random article from this list and you would find one of many examples. Is there a way one could give the taskforce proper attention, as these hundreds of articles are showing a lack of standards and a single person creating AfDs could not keep up with the people creating these articles? DARTHBOTTO talk•cont 22:57, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

  • Oh dear. I guess I could have seen this coming a year ago. As if we didn't have enough testosterone-fueled content. I nominated one for CSD and another for a PROD; let's see how this goes. For the record, I do not believe that being mentioned on The Daily Dot adds much in the way of notability. I think this may be an uphill struggle. If that Dot is accepted as a reliable and, more importantly, a weighty source, you'll have every gamer argue that these things are Really Important in the Real World. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 00:55, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Well, Prisencolin just objected to the PROD. BTW, there's a history of socking in that area--see the contributions of Wlo1234 and Misplaced Pages masterr. Drmies (talk) 01:08, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
    • Hello, as you might know I'm behind most of these articles and I happened to notice this discussion. If you've got to delete some things, then delete some things, no offense taken.--Prisencolin (talk) 01:32, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Someone emailed me, so I should probably mention that I may have a conflict of interest with this topic, as someone who was involved with esports organizations for half a decade, until 2014, so I may have a prior COI that will prevent me from giving any further input. I only want to keep quality articles and improve ones that can be improved, but I may not be at liberty to do much else other than talk page input. DARTHBOTTO talk•cont 02:16, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

  • I think I'd better apologize for what I just did. As I found with that female videogamer a while back, news sites are crawling with coverage of this stuff. Yngvadottir (talk) 03:40, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

... and I followed up with this in my user space and just realized the ping in it won't work 'cos no sig. Yngvadottir (talk) 20:35, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

"Flagporn" is my new favorite word. LadyofShalott 01:30, 1 July 2016 (UTC) "E-sports" is my least favorite new word. What is wrong with "video games"? LadyofShalott 01:36, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Best wishes for the 4th

Drmies, have a happy and safe holiday. Cheers, from 99, 2601:188:1:AEA0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 14:10, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi protect request

Would you be able to please semi protect Jeff Teague (basketball) and George Hill (basketball) on the same grounds as your semi protection of Solomon Hill (basketball)? Both are involved in a reported trade that is not official yet, and lots of anons are making premature, poorly sourced edits. Cheers. DaHuzyBru (talk) 16:19, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

Much appreciated! DaHuzyBru (talk) 18:55, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

Fun with Google Translate

Hello dear, I found this output of Google Translate particularly amusing: "Hatred sower in WW II Henk Feldmeijer and Dutch SS on polygon images he runs perky for the SS troops". Perky polygons seem to have been popular in Adriaan's party! Google Translate answered my questions, but a couple of questions from other people have arrived at Talk:Adriaan van Hees. I hope you are as well as can be expected given the recent developments about your home country and the rest of Europe soon being Cut Off by something more substantial than fog. MPS1992 (talk) 17:54, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

  • I see what you mean. Hold on--gotta pull that PDF back up. Drmies (talk) 22:43, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Hmm. OK, I removed it--the source is not that clear. He was not discharged from the NSB, and the only "service" (dienst) from which he could have been discharged is the WA, but that's not stated clearly enough. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 22:56, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
  • I changed the link to "Waffen-SS" from "SS". I suspect he had just enough stupidity to volunteer, and just enough intelligence to screw up the interview. "Swiss SS man" by Heinrich Böll's about a bonehead who is lying wounded in a military hospital, surrounded by Germans who think he's an idiot. Böll suggested a memorial to the unknown soldier, with the word "SHIT!" engraved on it, given that's the last thing most dead soldiers said. We've got the maundering, sentimental "First day of the Somme" stuff going on here- the Royal Mail should issue a few stamps with some Henry Tonks paintings in 'em to shut everybody up (warning- very scary). Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 05:27, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

FYI

On 15 June 2016 you expressed dismay when an article you created was deleted without notifying you. As someone who occupies the ivory towers you may not be aware that that not all editors, including admins and admin-wannabes believe that page creators should always be notified when pages they created are nominated for deletion. See: Answer to question 14.in this RFA. Ottawahitech (talk) 00:23, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Donald Trump

Under the talk page restrictions at Donald Trump, you could have been blocked without warning for this edit - the addition should not have been made in the first place (as a potentially controversial edit), and after it was challenged, you should have waited until there was a consensus to restore it. StAnselm (talk) 02:03, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

  • Why on earth would that highly verified/verifiable note be "potentially controversial"? It's rather your removal that is potentially controversial. But go ahead and look at the talk page. See, StAnselm, it's stuff like that, when there is nothing seriously controversial going on, that makes for an unpleasant editing atmosphere. Then you go ahead and warn Midnightblueowl after you reverted their edit, saying that their edit was reverted and thus controversial, producing the circumstances that allow you to reprimand them. CFredkin and I disagreed over something, and now we're laying out evidence on the talk page, all in good spirits. Isn't that better? Drmies (talk) 02:14, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
Well, I'm not an admin, so I don't have power to block you, but this was certainly a blockable action. Yes, the evidence is laid out on the talk page, but the addition has been disputed as not being in the source provided, and as it stands it's a BLP violation. StAnselm (talk) 07:00, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
Good luck with that, StAnselm. Drmies (talk) 14:22, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Makeandtoss topic ban

Hi Drmies. I am just letting you know that the user Makeandtoss has been in the IRC help channel to discuss the terms of his topic ban, and specifically how he could go about getting an error in an article corrected, and if he could comment on its talk page. I explained that this would not be possible per the terms of the ban, and that it would need to be lifted for him to have any involvement around the topic area at all. From what I gather he has already appealed the ban twice, including just last month, and I also note that it appears to expire in August anyway. I therefore recommended he wait out the ban due to the recent review by yourself, and that he should raise it with you or the noticeboard if he wants to appeal again. I have told him I am leaving you this note as a courtesy, and he is keen to note he is not going to break the ban or appeal again. KaisaL (talk) 12:56, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

I have interest in knowing if I am allowed to discuss something happening in the article that I was topic banned from, in its talk page or on other users talk page? Makeandtoss (talk) 13:04, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Makeandtoss, you are not allowed to discuss the topic at all on Misplaced Pages, that's the point of the ban. KaisaL, I assume you saw User_talk:Makeandtoss/Archive_1#January_2016. But I tell you what, if you have faith in this editor, we might cut this short--who knows, the world might come to an end before August, and we'll all be dead with that error still in the article. So if you want, go ahead and undo the topic ban (by which I mean make a note in the log)--I still need to do my exercises and I haven't had coffee yet. Makeandtoss, no more accusations please, and happy Wikipediaing. Drmies (talk) 14:29, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
@Drmies: I don't really know enough about the block and the situation to feel confident in making any decision on repealing it. On one hand, it only has a short time left, so lifting it now may not be especially controversial. On the other hand, because there's only a short time left, it's also reasonable to simply ask Makeandtoss to wait the final few weeks. I'm not going to over rule you, I only handled his help channel request. KaisaL (talk) 14:35, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
@KaisaL: Makeandtoss would appreciate not waiting for the final few weeks, the context of the ban was because I was making sockpuppetry accusations against users and I unfortunately made another one while Drmies was warning me. 5 months were quite long enough for my (I like to get things done) mentality. Makeandtoss (talk) 14:44, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
Well, he's went and returned to the controversy immediately, it would seem. See Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Comment from JordanianExpert. KaisaL (talk) 00:50, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Gerd Neggo

Drmies, I was wondering whether the issues you raised in your DYK review have been addressed by the most recent edits. If not, are what remain factual issues (misinterpretation of source material), grammar-related issues, or both? Thanks for anything you can do to help this nomination proceed. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:14, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

  • You're welcome, Drmies. Thanks for the quick action. Ping has always seemed a bit unreliable, especially from Template space, and some people have their accounts set up so that pings don't get to them from certain namespaces. Plus, it's dependent on a sig posted at the time the ping is, I believe. I tend to copy the user wikilinks instead of pinging; I've had generally good luck with them. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:09, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
  • No, I'm having different issues--I look at the messages, the colored number goes off, and five minutes later it's colored again. Then on foreign wikis I also get notifications of pings here, and sometimes I get a real weird-looking screen that looks like a dashboard. And sometimes the notifications aren't a pop-up kind of screen, but a full, new page. There seems to be no rhyme or reason to it. Drmies (talk) 02:26, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

thanks

Thanks for your input. It was footnote #4 in the article. I merely restored the old, vague Google result; you're right that I should have filled out the details more. However things were getting a bit hot and bothered. Have a good day.HappyValleyEditor (talk) 16:21, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Bring on the Ajacciers!

Poor old Filipe Santos Oliveira: in his reference #3, do you think it's enough the way I have translated, or we definitely need to have "gelederen" translated (I got "ranks" in the Google T thingy, makes zero sense)?

All the best as always, thanks in advance --Be Quiet AL (talk) 23:41, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

  • "Ajax has three trial players in its ranks"? I don't know; it's old-fashioned language. But it doesn't say "offers trials"--it says three players who are on trial are playing for them. Drmies (talk) 02:19, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Old-fashioned but accurate, i'll have your suggestion any day of the week, consider it retrieved to article! --Be Quiet AL (talk) 02:53, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

A bio for your attention

Hi Dr and talk page stalkers, I happened across John Bruce Wallace, and have requested assistance at the BLP board. I've begun the process of removing much unsourced and self-promotional content and anecdotal personal history. If anyone's in the mood to have a look, please jump in. There's even the standard 'what the critics said' section, replete with blurbs. Cheers from 99, 2601:188:1:AEA0:194D:F97C:7B39:6E83 (talk) 14:38, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Cheers 99, thanks for the heads-up; I commented here and have trimmed the crap from it- so far so good. But the COI probably needs addressing sooner rather than later! (I know you have been, btw), cheers, Muffled 14:59, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
Thank you very much! Given long term direction, the account and article bear watching. Cheers, 2601:188:1:AEA0:194D:F97C:7B39:6E83 (talk) 15:03, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
Time to arm the bears. Geoff | 15:16, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
Or at least provide them with timepieces. 2601:188:1:AEA0:194D:F97C:7B39:6E83 (talk) 15:20, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
Classic! Never miss an opportunity to poke VH in the eye, eh Muffled 15:22, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
Oh, hell, I got nothing against VH (though when I was young I couldn't stand that sort of playing, but that's neither there nor here), but it was too good a quote to resist, and must reside safely in Mr. Wallace's scrapbook. 2601:188:1:AEA0:194D:F97C:7B39:6E83 (talk) 15:26, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
Right on. Drmies (talk) 15:28, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

And another, at which I'd appreciate extra eyes, Darren Hanlon. Nothing egregious here, but a new WP:SPA started out by adding unsourced and promotional content. Thanks, 2601:188:1:AEA0:194D:F97C:7B39:6E83 (talk) 21:43, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Sockpuppet

Dear Drmies, Can you help? 'cause I'm a bit confused here! According to Athenean User:Betsyhaas73 is sock of User:Sulmues, but Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations says otherwise, so I don't know from where Athenean got their info? Thank you, Mona778 (talk) 00:27, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Easy, Athenean is just wrong. I don't see why it matters to you, but you could always point out their error on their Talk page.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:33, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
Dear Bbb23, First, thanks for the quick response. Second, for edit summary, which I made an error by just following them without proper investigation first! See here and here Mona778 (talk) 00:57, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
How do you do, dear? It's been a long time since we haven't heard from each other, but you and admin Ponyo will always have a special place in my heart forever... Mona778 (talk) 01:23, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
Ponyo is special to me too. Always nice to see you, Mona, and if you get into trouble, may it be exciting trouble. Drmies (talk) 01:30, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
I actually just recently got into one, but thanks to admin Ponyo... Mona778 (talk) 01:58, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
Mona dear, you have an indefatigable tendency for getting into such trouble. But now that I have linked you to it, you can edit on British battleships and their behaviour for a while! Many of them or ships named like this came near places we both care about in the past, and some still do I think.
But, what a strangely spelled word it is, and so many of the meanings are about oil and gas fields. It is a sad world we live in. MPS1992 (talk) 21:09, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Category:Children's books about death

That, or similar, might need to become blue. New potential member: The Dead Bird (book). LadyofShalott 01:48, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Richard Magnus Franz Morris

Whew; responding to your ping on this, Dr. There's nothing there I can corroborate with reliable sources. In fact, I can't find anything about him online, other than the obit, which isn't itself reliable. I hate to suggest AfD, but can anybody dig up anything? Thanks. 2601:188:1:AEA0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 12:02, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

And by the way, that commemorative months business? Cheezus, they don't pay you enough here. 2601:188:1:AEA0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 12:48, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, I know! We should have a special session devoted to "we don't get paid enough around here" at the next Wikimania. You and me. And Crisco. And Bbb. And a host of others. Drmies (talk) 14:41, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Siege of Al-Karak (1834)

Would you please weigh in on the reference question on the talk page? However. It is of no great consequence to me, but I would like to finish the job if I can. If not then I'll just move on to greener pastures. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 19:39, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. Best to you. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:10, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Vote

While the edit for which I just thanked you is clearly yours, that might not be clear to others ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:02, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

FYI, the ~ is beside the 1 key. --kelapstick 22:03, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
It's okay, we don't expect our Arbcom members to actually know how to type. ;-) Ed  22:14, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
No, as long as they work towards "befreit" ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:22, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
Wow. Did y'all's fitbits ping you out of the pool or something? I must have thought I was on my desktop computer. Tell you what, y'all take care of everything else to, and OR can sign for me. I'm having a beer. Drmies (talk) 22:41, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
It's only because we love you, Drmies. <3 Ed  22:43, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
Did someone say beer? Save me one, I'm still at work! Opabinia regalis (talk) 22:58, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
He didn't say beer; he said leer.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:17, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
I did say beer, and it was a Hoegaarden, kindly left by a rock and roller. Now, if y'all can go through my recent contributions and fix the other typos, and post the occasional "per Drmies", I'll see if I have another one for you here. Oh, he left some Sierra Nevada pale ales as well. Drmies (talk) 00:41, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
I have a beer on you, and another one, on 10 July, the day a good name was restored, after 300 years, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:26, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

M. Chapstick, please remember that Doktoro is not as you and I, and does not use a human keyboard layout. As a Nexiteer who ran away from the Gallifreyan Panopticon, xyr twiddle key is right next to the thing on the TARDIS console that looks like a trimphone. Uncle G (talk) 22:08, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

I don't want to pry, but -- are you on drugs? Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 03:36, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Well now Boris, come on--my uncle on drugs? No more than I am, I'm sure, with fiber pills being my main line, so to speak. This is not to say that I know what a "trimphone" is--Oh! that's a trimphone! How quaint. The Nexit, Uncle, I don't think will be happening, though you never know: the Dutch fools voters have a habit of making strange decisions. I will have you know that I always fulfilled my duty as a citizen, having voted for a car-free Amsterdam many years ago, in a referendum that I think drew 19% of eligible voters to the polls. !!!! @@@@ ~~~~

Problem at Picarones

Hi Drmies. It came to my attention that this IP who was blocked two times (you being the last one to do so) is back in the form of this IP since he/she made the same vandal editing like the previous mentioned IP. And although I don't like jumping to conclusions, the only vandalism that ever happens in this article is the changing of the same content, which leads me to assume that the IP's are the same person. Thus I think it's safe to say the next time someone makes an edit like this it's safe to block them on the spot until they can prove their innocence. (N0n3up (talk) 05:14, 10 July 2016 (UTC))

Robert Maynard Hutchins

…who apparently said "This is a do-it-yourself test for paranoia: You know you've got it when you can't think of anything that's your fault." Anyway, had to check up who RMH was, and found a somewhat dense article on "great books" and re-organising educational establishments on Borgesian-Nietzschean lines or something. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 06:33, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Discussion link

Hi. If you can find it, could you please give a link to that major comma discussion Rfc that you closed. I can't locate it in the archives with key words. There is an RM at the main Dr. King page where I'd like to link it. Thanks. Randy Kryn 11:04, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Again I'm sorry, and I will suspend all AfD activity.

Hi Drmies,

You are right this time. Not only did I behave in a very rude manner in the Mr Eazi AfD, but I also made an even stupider mistake by telling another admin that I would humble you sooner or later in an AfD after she closed Masha as no consensus. I was unfair to her as well, giving her a hard time on her page. I've been dealing with several personal problems lately, and it wasn't the right time to get into AfDs. To be honest, I really wish you had changed your vote in the Masha AfD after I provided so many sources. I feel very disappointed, but I'll get over it. Now even Rebbing doesn't respect me because I slammed a singer whose article I nominated for deletion. She sent a pathetic messenger to the AfD that pissed me off, so I totally unloaded on her. So don't take it too personally. But of course I'm very sorry and I apologize to you for being an a-hole. Ivana is someone I won't apologize to, not in a thousand years, but I must emphasize that I deeply regret the way I behaved towards you. It's all sad and ironic because four girls who are sisters in a band refuse to forgive me for something I said a year ago, even though I apologized again recently. I thought they had seen that my intentions were good, but no, they were hurt and they are afraid of getting hurt by me again. I learned that on Saturday. I did not give Rebbing a hard time, and at least I sort of helped the other admin from the UK in an AfD of an Armenian guy (the admin that closed the Masha AfD as no consensus). So I hope she appreciates that, but I was an idiot with her too, as I said. Plus I don't know why I wanted some sort of revenge against you. I guess I forgot my medication.

What I will do is quit the AfDs immediately. I will take a break from Misplaced Pages, and at the most I will be a WikiGome just once in a while, but maybe not even that. I don't want to cause any more problems. I will not return to AfDs. I hope to create an article at some point for a singer that I'm fond of, but just like I was bad to you I could be bad to others if I come back to AfDs, or article talk pages, etc. I will permanently stay away from all those situations. That nominator called SwisterTwister or something like that is totally out of control but there's nothing I can do. However, I alienated Davey too, who's a great guy. It's all a pity. I should go to a monastery or something. Anyway, for all practical purposes I'm gone and I won't cause any more trouble in the community. I will not touch any of the AfDs I've been involved in, and I won't go back to that in the future. Once again, I'm terribly sorry. Dontreader (talk) 15:45, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

  • Dontreader, I'm kind of on the run and can only skim, but let me just say that Misplaced Pages needs those who defend articles at AfD, and if it's about winning and losing, terms I don't really like, I don't mind losing if I voted delete since we typically end up with a better article, which is why we're here. Sorry I have to run; I'll respond in more detail later if you like me to. Drmies (talk) 16:09, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
    • Many thanks for saying that. I will definitely improve Masha's article even further. For the record, I'm not a fan of hers at all because she uses foul language (at least on Facebook), but I really should use the AfD sources to make her article better (at least the more solid ones). Your message is very interesting to me. Since you appreciate editors who defend articles, I will continue to do so, at least sporadically, but I have to solve some personal problems first since I don't want to make the same mistakes again. Above all, I must always assume good faith. Many thanks for your message. Dontreader (talk) 23:38, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
      • Hey, Dontreader, I read what you wrote above but deliberately and consciously didn't look further into your edit history. I have commented on thousands of AfD debates and have learned that it is a bad idea to get too emotionally involved in the debate itself. If you advocate keeping an article, then go right ahead and work on improving the content and referencing. If done competently, that will almost always result in the article being kept. If you support deleting, make your argument calmly, in a policy based fashion, and then step away from the debate. I have occasionally failed to follow my own advice, but when I do follow my own advice, the results are generally satisfactory, and no one's feelings get hurt more than is absolutely necessary. Cullen Let's discuss it 06:31, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
        • Hi Cullen328, I appreciate your wise advice. I guess I got too emotionally involved in the recent Masha (singer) AfD because I spent so much time trying to defend the article. You will notice that I did improve that article but not enough (I have to get back to it) because I spent so many hours looking for sources. I said I spent over 10 hours on that project, but in reality it was more like 20 hours, even though I had never heard of that singer. I knew the vodka commercial music very well, but not Masha at all. It's very hard not to get emotionally involved after making such an effort. That AfD broke all records in that sense (well, perhaps comparable to The Wakes long ago). The situation with Ivana's article was unique in the sense that it's an article that I created, and then recently I found information that made me decide that I had bent the rules, so I decided to nominate it for deletion. I thought it was bad for my reputation to have that article on my list of created articles (ironically the nomination further damaged my reputation). I was a big fan of hers until a few months ago. I regret the attitude of a guy she sent to defend the article, trying to make me feel guilty. It brought back memories from the incident that made me decide to quit supporting her, so it really got out of control. But I was irresponsible because I shouldn't be in AfDs when I'm very upset about personal things. I should be in a calm state beforehand. I can do much better than that, and I'm grateful for your advice. I always choose easy cases for my Delete votes, so I've never had problems with those AfDs. But for my Keep votes, is it okay to keep on adding comments with new sources? I can't find them all at the same time, of course. But then I don't want to look like I "dominated" the Keep camp by posting so much. If I just move on after I find my initial sources then the article could get deleted. I sometimes find great sources days later by using different search tricks. Many thanks for your kindness! Dontreader (talk) 07:28, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
@Dontreader: If you are referring to @Davey2010: above, then I can reassure you that I have found him very patient and forgiving on occasions where disputes have become heated. So I am sure you could have good hopes that he would be happy to let bygones be bygones, especially because you have mentioned in detail here that you felt bad about how the situation developed. MPS1992 (talk) 18:20, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
MPS1992, it's very kind of you to say that. I really appreciate your consideration. Yes, I was referring to Davey2010. My reputation on Misplaced Pages isn't stellar, but it had improved a lot since my newbie days, despite some more incidents, but I never did anything nearly this bad. I think part of the problem is that although I have a good voting record in AfDs, I have participated in very few of them in my career. I was convinced that people would change their votes after I provided the sources that I spent a long time to find for the Masha AfD, but that assumption was rooted in lack of experience. In similar previous situations, I feel that people had changed their votes when I had provided that amount of coverage. So this time I got very upset because it didn't happen, and I felt disrespected, or at least that my research had not been appreciated. But it was all because of lack of experience in AfDs. However, it's not an excuse for what I did. Thanks so much for caring and for trying to make me feel better. I certainly do feel much better now than two or three days ago. All the best... Dontreader (talk) 18:54, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Are you into this sort of thing?

Sometimes I wonder: this sort of thing. -- Softlavender (talk) 05:45, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

That's so, like 2004. So passé. Hard to believe that this type of "garbagio", as my sons say when they are trying to seem sophisticated, still festers here on Misplaced Pages. But I am, increasingly, a cranky old man. Maybe other editors think that such stuff is amusing and acceptable. Whatever. Cullen Let's discuss it 06:18, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Cullen, it's just some kids having some fun. Although, kids--there is a gallery. Some things can't be unseen. BTW, who wears bathrobes? You, Softlavender? In case you were asking, you have both my permission and my blessing, of course, but you can't wear it here. Drmies (talk) 12:21, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
I recommend keeping it on. The alternatives are hideous. Muffled 12:31, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
^^^joke
Hey now. Drmies (talk) 14:45, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Soap boxing

Hi Drmies. I'm wondering if you could offer some advice as to how to best proceed in regards to Talk:Baby, It's Cold Outside#Evidence of tobacco influences guarding this Misplaced Pages page. This particular editor has been previously using the Teahouse, Tobacco references in music and Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Tobacco references in music as a bit of a soapbox for her OR, but now it looks as if she might be expanding her range to other articles. I'm pretty sure the YouTube links she's added to the talk page post and tried to add to the article with this edit are/were copyvios, but not sure if it's appropriate to hat/remove the entire talk page post. Any suggestions would be most appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:24, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I enjoy a good soap boxing-match. Almost as much as I enjoy pig wrestling, but that's a great deal messier, as one might imagine. Softlavender (talk) 14:20, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
  • YouTube videos are not copyright violations if they are from the artist's or studio's official YouTube channel, which at least one of the ones I have looked at there clearly is (I haven't checked the other articles). Also, there is no reason to hat a talk page discussion or post simply because it contains a link to a YouTube video, copyrighted or not. Softlavender (talk) 17:33, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
@Softlavender: Thank you for taking a look. First off, your post about pig wrestling was quite funny and a nice response to my "soap boxing". Also, I was aware of the distinction made about YouTube linking. I saw one on the talk page that looked like a copyvio in addition to some which were removed as such from the article, but missed that the other talk page one was to a singer's official account. My bad. FWIW, I wasn't suggesting that the entire post be hatted for only that reason, but after re-reading my post I can see that's how it came off. I thought the post might need to be hatted because it seemed more like a forum post and claim of being censored by Misplaced Pages (at least it did to me), than an attempt at discsussion on how to make improvements to the article. Anyway, others have responded to it since I posted here, so I'm glad I decided to ask about it first before jumping off the deep end. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:40, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Is Misplaced Pages Pro-Aislinn Paul fans, and disliking Miriam McDonald?

Drmiles,

I'm disappointed and SMH at you reverting my edits. Is there a theory that Misplaced Pages are pro-Aislinn Paul fans, and disliking Miriam McDonald (my favorite Degrassi actress)? I've been harshly criticized recently by Imperious Wikipedians like Yamaguchi先生 and Cyphoidbomb. The latter accused me of so-called SOAPBOXING. I had to complain to Misplaced Pages, then they replied and they refused to help my problems. So I had to do my YouTube video about my Misplaced Pages Displeasures and showing how I feel and criticized Misplaced Pages's changes in recent years. Go to YouTube and search Spencer Karter (my name) and watch the video to express how I feel.

Sir, I've been a Wikipedian since late 2004 before those absurd changes took place on Misplaced Pages. I have to express my disapproval of your edits. Thank you very much, have a great day! Spencer H. Karter (talk) 17:47, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Hello Shkarter1985, I hope Drmies will not mind if I offer my opinion here. I have not been a Wikipedian for such a long time, but I do feel that if you have been a Wikipedian since 2004 then you would be well aware that Misplaced Pages does not have a view one way or the other about the relative merits of Paul and McDonald. Individual editors might have opinions, but that should not be reflected in their editing, because we aim to adhere to neutral point of view WP:NPOV. Sorry, I have not watched your YouTube video. May I ask what absurd changes to Misplaced Pages have taken place since 2004? MPS1992 (talk) 17:59, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

To answer your question MPS1992 I'll give the list of absurd changes that Misplaced Pages made over the years.

1.)Wiki Bots (I can't stand those Wiki Bots) 2.)Having Moderators 3.)Protected Articles and denying Wikipedians to edit. This is THE 💕 not the UN-FREE!

That's all I can say! But put the words 'stalker reply' on your response. I'm a good person, I'm not a stalker, I do have autism and I'm caring person and very sympathetic guy. I don't like it when someone damages my reputation. I do get upset when somebody saids bad about me. On when days when something bad happens to me and my family, I do get panic anxiety attacks and I can't help it. People have feelings too. Just they saying "God don't like ugly" and I don't like people who do bad to me. But we have to love our enemies unfortunately as the bible say. I don't like it when someone makes false statements about me, I would have sue that random person for slander. In conclusion, that's all I can say once again! Thank you! Spencer H. Karter (talk) 18:20, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, you meant my edit summary "talk page stalker reply". That meant me, not you -- it is explained at this slightly humorous essay WP:TPS. Probably I should avoid using that as an edit summary to avoid confusion. MPS1992 (talk) 18:29, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

MPS1992, I'm sorry I've misunderstood! :( Spencer H. Karter (talk) 18:33, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

  • I like the word 'imperious' in the context of admins classic! Muffled 18:42, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Spencer H. Karter, I'm just going to say that I have no idea what you're talking about. I mean, I know what you're talking about, but it makes no sense at all, not a bit. And I don't know these people that you care so much about, or the television show they're in. What I do know is that one article had sources, the other not so much. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 11:55, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Het Beest

On 14 July 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Het Beest, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the 1982 Dutch film Het Beest, featuring Willem Ruis in his first and last cinema role, was a "legendary flop"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Het Beest. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Het Beest), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 00:01, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

More poetic prose

I would improve the page of selfies such as selfies not only proof of narcissism but to be great omnipotent exhibitionism in human beings clear manifestation of human nell'genere autism not only moral absolute truth the... GAB 00:09, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Curious re: AfD

Just curious. You participated at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Saarah Hameed Ahmed (2nd nomination) with a keep !vote. That was also the position adopted by many of the early commentators. Later, a load of delete !votes appeared following various bits of research etc. The outcome was no consensus but I'm wondering how many of the early participants revisited the discussion as further information emerged. I can see why they might prima facie have said keep but the subsequent investigations may have swayed their initial opinion. Do you revisit AfD discussions? - Sitush (talk) 07:59, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

  • Not often enough, Sitush, I'm afraid. This was a "first woman pilot" from some category claim, which was argued against, but what drew me was the creator, a paid sock. I think this was the one article they created I saw merit in. But you have a point: when admins close AfDs, their job is also to see if arguments are refuted. Ideally speaking, we should all be there for a roundtable at the end, before the close. Drmies (talk) 11:53, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

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Re Removal of content from a sockpuppeting user

@Drmies: Re User:Beetstraw, excuse me, excuse me, excuse me, what is this about exactly? What policy is being applied? The articles were good on an overview, the contribution was good, and prolific. The goal is to do more good than harm to the WP. I seriously doubt the removal of legitimate content does actually do that, for a start it considerably undermines the contest going on. What is the point? I need a good explanation, thanks Iñaki LL (talk) 16:24, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Peter Nguyen Van Hung

I am Vietnamese, please put "User:TeresaBrasier0513/Peter Nguyen Van Hung" content posted to that entry, thanks! --42.72.44.169 (talk) 16:52, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

See ru:Нгуен Ван Хунг, Питер
--42.72.44.169 (talk) 16:52, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
I Loves Peter Nguyen Van Hung, He is a Vietnamese Freedom Fighter! --42.72.44.169 (talk) 18:41, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
Well, I don't think "love" is the right word for that particular...feeling you seem to have in regards to this person. Drmies (talk) 20:50, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

ANI discussion

There is a topic in which you were involved being discussed at WP:ANI. The topic is concern over Adam9007's removal of speedy deletion templates. You are welcome to join the discussion here. Toddst1 (talk) 19:57, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Some requests

Drmies:

I'm asking a small number of admins whom I especially respect and admire to do a few things for me, so these could well have been already accomplished by the time you see them.

Finally, I want to thank you for extending a helping hand to a stranger whenever and wherever it was possible to do so. You are a good person, Drmies, and I wish you, your family and your career nothing but the best.

Yours, EF

Beyond My Ken (talk) 20:14, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

  • Hey BMK, I saw your post on Bbb's talk before I came here. I'll repeat what I said, that I will miss you. You have left your mark all over article space, and we are the better for it. Take care of yourself. Drmies (talk) 20:46, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Competence stuff

Hey there, I suspect based on some off-site info that Shkarter1985 may have some behavioral/developmental issues that I've been trying to be sensitive to, but I'm also convinced he's not competent to edit here. He keeps coming by to leave silly diatribes and I (obviously) haven't been able to communicate with him. So, I'm kinda throwing up my hands here... Cyphoidbomb (talk) 22:37, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Request

Hello Drmies and I hope this finds you well. Could you possibly take a look at this? I may well be a twit but I prefer not to be referred to as such. I also don't appreciate the derogatory reference to my residence. As it happens I am on holiday in the South of France at the moment, so it isn't even accurate. Anything you can do? --John (talk) 09:37, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

{{interfering}} Well, I wouldn't have cared if it was me, nor would I have posted this if I saw it on someone else's page. I mean, it was inspired by the "Twitter" thing, you know. Like a play on words. No big deal. (And my residence probably gets more derogatory references than yours.) Bishonen | talk 11:47, 15 July 2016 (UTC).
  • Jokes don't always come across on the Internet... Take care John. The South of France. A lovely place. I remember the Boulevard des Anglais very well. Drmies (talk) 15:57, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
{{busybody}} Regardless of whether "John" (is that even his real name) is a "twit" or "Scottish-based", these "Reactions to the " have got to stop. They've spawned dozens of coatracky articles mentioning every tweet and breath from every leader or celebrity in every country in the known universe. And every time someone tries to stop the madness they get called a twit, or Scottish, or worse. Softlavender (talk) 16:03, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
  • I am so sick of that nonsense. And the sucky part is, there ARE notable responses, which we can do without flag porn and Twitter. For instance here. Is that in any of our articles? Or are we just doing the whole which country was the sorriest for what happened elsewhere? Hollande gets to say stuff, being the boss man (BTW, did you read about his hair bill?), but this doesn't need to come from Twitter. I'm afraid of even looking at the article cause I am scared of what I might find--have we written up new guidelines yet? BTW, I really don't understand Mathsci's comment--there is no need for that at all. Drmies (talk) 16:17, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
I'm sorry I'm a little late to this party.
John has claimed that Twitter comments of Heads of State are inadmissible on wikipedia. He removed those of the President of France. Instead of using the article talk page, he decided he would trot out his strongly held personal views on my talk page. At present a number of sentences and images in the disaster article are due to me, particularly on the French domestic reaction. (I am familiar with Nice and am almost bilingual, since I worked in the South of France for a long time.) As on the French wikipedia, the international reactions were separated into a spin-off article. In the English[REDACTED] article, there are several Twitter comments which John has not removed (Brazil, Canada, European Union). He had no reservation about removing President Hollande's comments. On the disaster article talk page, another editor has intimated that a similar Downing Street statement from a spokesman was without value. That person said the spokesman could be a janitor. Not so different, really. My own take is that, in the aftermath of Brexit, Theresa May is not yet fully installed in Downing Street.
I remember John's "idee fixe" some years back concerning flags for twin cities. At the time he was unable to convince anybody then of his viewpoint, but was equally insistent on various noticeboards snd targeted me. Years later the flags are still there in Marseille and Aix-en-Provence. And Chicago. I did raise an eyebrow to see the Scottish flag for Glasgow in Marseille, historically one of the most disputed images in the article (a city where I have family ties).
Perhaps John came here thinking I am under some particular stringent editing restriction which he can use to his advantage? John's comments on my talk page are again just his personal views on[REDACTED] policy. I have a long history of editing articles on the South of France. Sometimes I have created them when they don't exist in French. Chateau of Vauvenargues and La Couronne, Bouches-du-Rhône. I half thought of writing an article on fr:Palais de la Méditerranée, ... I know people who have stayed at the Negresco, . I've stayed round the corner towards the station, possibly when I was en route to Michel's South. Mathsci (talk) 18:14, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
Look! Somebody else did it 30 minutes ago: Palais de la Méditerranée. Mathsci (talk) 18:27, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Not very constructive. I already commented there. I would prefer it if you wrote some content in the article summarising the aftermath amongst the international community. Currently there is nothing. You are also not helping the article very much by discussing an image for the infobox which does not show any parts of Nice where the attack took place. Look for the landmarks. Drmies has been to Nice. He would know. Mathsci (talk) 08:29, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

14. Muddy Road

Tanzan and Ekido were once traveling together down a muddy road. A heavy rain was still falling. Coming around a bend, they met a lovely girl in a silk kimono and sash, unable to cross the intersection. 'Come on, girl,' said Tanzan at once. Lifting her in his arms, he carried her over the mud.

Ekido did not speak again until that night when they reached a lodging temple. Then he no longer could restrain himself. 'We monks don't go near females,' he told Tanzan, 'especially not young and lovely ones. It is dangerous. Why did you do that?'

'I left the girl there,' said Tanzan. 'Are you still carrying her?'

— Paul Reps, Zen Flesh, Zen Bones
— Preceding unsigned comment added by John (talk • contribs) 20:23, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
Recited by the Firesign Theatre in their Dear Friends broadcast series, 13 December 1970. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 20:26, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
          • Just so. Muffled 20:49, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
            • Actually, and I'm indebted to Mathsci for flagging it up, I note that this user is restricted from commenting on race and intelligence, broadly construed. Perhaps, given the insult to my intelligence tied to my nationality, followed up by a combative and grudge-holding response, a teensy Arbcom enforcement block might be worth considering? I trust your judgement on this one though. --John (talk) 13:52, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
              • Hmm, sorry John--I don't think that's in the spirit of the topic ban, but you can ask for one at AE. Since I was on the committee that kept that ban in place it would not be proper for me to act on it. I do not understand why you, Mathsci, don't address that rather odd little insult here; your knowledge in many areas is appreciated, but neither Brexit nor flags have much bearing on this matter. It is more becoming to attempt to undo past errors than to bring up old cows from the canal. (John, Dutch proverbial wisdom is much less poetic than your Zenisms.) Drmies (talk) 14:22, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
                • What can I say about John? The Scots are not a race. Whether he likes it or not, John has the same nationality as me. I cannot comment on his intelligence; some of his comments here and elsewhere have been extraordinarily silly, like the ones he's just written. The word "twit" or "twerp" comes from Just William as far as I remember. It is a measure of silliness. Thanks, Mathsci (talk) 14:30, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
                  • It is a good idea not to say anything about John; I asked you to address the comment, which I think you are now portraying as a little inside joke. It didn't sound very funny to me. Mathsci, I'm not sitting here waiting to block you or anything like that, nor do I wish to spend my Saturday repeating myself. If you have anything substantive to say about the comment that John took offense to, please do so, and this will make you and our project look better. If not, there is no need to say anything at all. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 14:57, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks Drmies for your sage advice and your trouble. I am on holiday in Manosque and it is beautiful. I feel far too mellow to be vindictive about another user's misjudgement of me. Mathsci, if you think that was funny or appreciated or proved your point in any way, or was a smart move for someone coming back from a site ban then I feel mildly sorry for you. Here's another quote from my holiday reading that may help you if you have the intelligence and self-knowledge to understand it. Drmies, what's your opinion of Kriek? I've become a bit of an aficionado. I hope you're having as nice a summer as I am having.

9. The Moon cannot be Stolen

Ryokan, a Zen master, lived the simplest kind of life in a little hut at the foot of a mountain. One evening a thief visited the hut only to discover there was nothing in it to steal. Ryokan returned and caught him. 'You may have come a long way to visit me,' he told the prowler, 'and you should not return empty-handed. Please take my clothes as a gift.’ The thief was bewildered. He took the clothes and slunk away.

Ryokan sat naked, watching the moon. 'Poor fellow,' he mused, 'I wish I could give him this beautiful moon.'

— Paul Reps, Zen Flesh, Zen Bones

--John (talk) 20:09, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Also recited by the Firesign Theatre in their Dear Friends broadcast series, 13 December 1970. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 20:26, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

"A person who is..."

Hello.

Will you please be so kind to help me? I am not native speaker of English language so I maybe don't understand it always. I have two simple questions:

  1. Is statement about another[REDACTED] editor being "a person who is quite incapable of..." violation of Misplaced Pages:No personal attacks policy (precisely, its first two sentences saying "Do not make personal attacks anywhere in Misplaced Pages. Comment on content, not on the contributor.")?
  2. If it is, are[REDACTED] administrators allowed to make such statements?

All the best.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 09:56, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Not everyone with access to a computer is competent enough to edit Misplaced Pages. The standards are actually quite lower than most websites that take themselves seriously when deciding who is allowed to contribute or not, but still. Competence is required to edit here, and it's not a personal attack to point it out. Doc talk 10:44, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
(talk page watcher) So, to summarise for the OP: a) No, b) Yes. Muffled 10:49, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Anyone (including admins) can state their opinion of another editor's capabilities. This comes up particularly on noticeboards, Requests for Adminship, article talk-page discussions which have derailed, WP:AE, ArbCom, and so forth. Such comments are not violations of WP:NPA. If they are made in your presence, about you, it's best just to completely ignore them (and to continue to discuss content rather than editors) or to offer calm reasoned evidence (with diffs) to the contrary. Softlavender (talk) 11:36, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
I would make two points here. First, a slightly pedantic one. A statement beginning "a person who is quite incapable of..." could end with the words malice or dishonesty and it then becomes, in English, a rather strong compliment, a positive statement. Although I guess that is not the case in whatever example is being discussed.
Second, while I agree with Softlavender that editors can express their opinions of other editors, most usually the burden is on the editor expressing the original opinion to support it with diffs -- I think this is mentioned in WP:ASPERSIONS. The burden should not be on the person insulted to provide diffs to prove that the insulting description is incorrect. Because it is impractical, for example if someone says "MPS1992 is incapable of writing intelligible English", what diff can I provide that proves otherwise? It's all a matter of opinion. But conversely, if someone provides a diff of me writing incoherently, and uses that as evidence for their opinion that I am incapable, at least they have provided evidence.
Related to the second point, Competence is required is an essay not a guideline, and even then it says very clearly at the top "Be very cautious when referencing this page, as it can be very insulting to other editors", as well as similar guidance elsewhere on the page. So it is no justification for making disparaging comments about other editors without evidence.
Perhaps "is incapable of" could be better written. If I say that unfortunately an editor will find it impossible to contribute constructively to English Misplaced Pages because of language problems, then that sounds rather less insulting than using the word "incapable", which contains overtones of other things. Context is important -- it comes down to what is being discussed (honesty, coherency, ability to research?) and whether evidence is provided. MPS1992 (talk) 13:47, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
  • AD, one can quibble over when a comment on an edit becomes a comment on an editor, and while the policy seems straightforward enough, much depends on context. It is true that admins should typically hold themselves to higher standards, yes. But I can hardly claim for myself that I meet any higher standard, for instance. I'll go see how your AN discussion is going; I hope it looks better today than it did two days ago. Drmies (talk) 14:27, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

Thanks everybody for your replies. Although I really appreciate your effort, I would like to Drmies' reply to my questions.
MPS1992, thanks for pointing that "Competence is required is an essay", but I would like to pay your attention that WP:ASPERSIONS is also an essay. Can you support your opinion that "editors can express their opinions of other editors" with some policy or guideline which actually allows editors to comment on the contributors, contrary to what WP:NPA says?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 14:36, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
Thanks Drmies for your answer. If comment says that another editor is "a person who is..." (whatever the context can be), then it looked to me that it is no doubt a comment about another editor, but since I am not native speaker of English language, I believe you know better. Thank you very much.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 14:39, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
Context matters greatly. "An editor who is quite incapable of good faith" will require some serious evidence. Drmies (talk) 14:42, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Serious evidence

Serious evidence.... Of course....Thanks to above posted link to Casting aspersions, I see the Arbitration Committee have passed several principles on the subject of casting aspersions. One of them says: "An editor must not accuse another of misbehavior without evidence, especially when the accusations are repeated or severe. If accusations must be made, they should be raised, with evidence, on the user-talk page of the editor they concern or in the appropriate forums." It clearly says:
  1. on the user-talk page of the editor they concern or
  2. in the appropriate forums
Will you please help me to better understand this. Suppose (theoretically) that a small group of editors involved in numerous disputes with me created huge walls of texts on article talkpages with numerous (I am talking about hundreds) of accusations of my misbehavior on article talkpages. Not on my talkpage or appropriate forum, but on article talkpages. Would such behavior of such (imaginary) small group of editors violate the above principle passed by Arbitration Committee?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 15:41, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
  • It is entirely possible that this violates that principle. I know you want me to speak out categorically, and I am unwilling to do that (I am certainly not going to take administrative action in this hypothetical case, unless for extreme disruption). And there is a kind of a catch: if in some community-wide forum or other a certain editor was judged to be guilty of this or that kind of disruption, then stating that this was the case is no longer really an accusation but merely a statement of what has been judged to be factual. None of this, my dear Antidiskriminator, will get you closer to getting your topic ban lifted. What will get it lifted is either changing the mind of one or more of these hypothetical opponents, or convincing a broader, different audience not of your hypothetical opponents' guilt, but of your own willingness to work within certain guidelines, be a team player, having something to contribute, etc. But these are just my musings. Drmies (talk) 17:09, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
    • How many diffs with accusations of my misbehavior presented on article talkpages would you expect me to bring to prove "extreme disruption" which would allow you to take administrative action? --Antidiskriminator (talk) 19:30, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

16 July 2016 recommended reading

16 July 2016

... on a centenary of a performance! - Any translations, other than German? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:15, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Olaniyan Olushola

Just wanted to let you know that I wasn't wheel-warring; I didn't realize they were making the rounds (I got an email addressed to Mike V :-)), or that they were a different editor from this one. I'm still not convinced that either (or both) aren't connected to the blocked editor, but current consensus seems to indicate that they may not be. All the best, Miniapolis 14:55, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

  • Oh, I saw none of the kind. They also emailed a bunch of other people and I saw it pop up on the functionaries list. Callanecc said they unblocked. I find this entire business rather confusing; sharing an IP with an indef-blocked and banned editor, well now. Drmies (talk) 15:12, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
      • That autoblock had done the rounds (up to number 7/8/9/......), I've removed it on Wikicology's block you (Miniapolis) made since there are a bunch of widely used dynamic IPs involved. @Miniapolis: Olaniyan Olushola doesn's need IPBE, and I see Mike has removed it (it's almost always best to ask a CheckUser first, especially when they already have account creator). Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 02:11, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, Callanecc; I moved quicker than I otherwise would've because OO said they wanted to participate in an editathon. All the best, Miniapolis 02:20, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
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