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If you've read any of my comments and want to discuss POVs purely for interest's sake, then please do so.

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Also, I thought of one project which really needs help. See my reply here on the helpdesk. Garion96 (talk) 03:14, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Eric Bana

Hey! Thanks for looking through the Eric Bana article and reworking some sentences. Any help you can offer to raise this article to featured status would be wonderful, as I have worked hard on it. I often miss things and make a lot of spelling and grammar errors so your input is greatly appreciated. Thanks! -- Underneath-it-All 03:30, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Reappropriation

Could you please see my response to you at Talk:Reappropriation? Thanks. - Jmabel | Talk 06:01, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Marxism and Marxist philosophy

Thank you for your interest in these pages. I trimmed a bit the repetitions in the Marxist philosophy page, and reversed your move at Marxism. Please see "Marxism" talk page for my explanation (mainly, articles are supposed to be autonomous; if you feel undue space has been given to these topics in the Marxism page and should rather be addressed in the more specialized, "Marxist philosophy" page — which much less, general users, will read, the title itself being sufficient to make more than one afraid... — than you should argue for it first (as these are controversial pages) and then propose a resume of them.) Cheers, looking forward to future contributions, Santa Sangre 12:48, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi Santa Sangre, I did suggest it first on the discussion page and waited almost a week before making any changes. Anyway happy to discuss it so I have restarted the discussion there under your response. JenLouise

Sociology Project News

Peer review on Global justice, planned renovation of Justice

Dear JenLouise - given your interest in the social justice article, I wonder if you'd be interested in taking part in peer review on the new version of Global justice that I've been working on, and/or in commenting on my planned renovation of Justice? Cheers, --Sam Clark 11:52, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your input. Cheers, --Sam Clark 10:54, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Marxism

Thanks for your note. I am travelling, and will have intermittent and not always very good access to the internet, so I will try to help when I can.

For what it is worth, I thijnk many good people have worked on these articles and while I have no doubt that they can be improved, I suggest that whatever flaws you see in it also take what is there on good faith - think about why it is there and assume people had reasons. I am not trying to discourage you form making changes, only suggesting that the very contents of what we already have can help give you ideas of what people think is important. As a rule, I think you can always turn to User:El_C and User: 172 for advice. I do not always agree with them, but they are thoughtful, well informed, and experienced. Slrubenstein | Talk 09:44, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I will see what I can do, but at the moment Marxisism is not among my top 'to do' articles. WP:PR is always a good avenue to seek support, and I invite to to seek comments at the (fledging) Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Sociology, too.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  23:28, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi! Sorry for late response. Whatever improvement is a good idea, and I guess a new global rewrite will allows for better homogeneity. I just had a quick look at your proposal, mainly at the structure, and will try to help as I can (but in a few weeks, no time just now). Overall, your plan seems a good idea, especially the part on specific Marxist authors (Gramsci, Althusser, etc.) and on various Marxist movements (although some are still missing; and let's not forget Philosophy in the Soviet Union, although I'm not that much knowledgeable in that field either). I'll only suggest to gather Marx & Engels together (I don't think it's necessary to create two different subsections for them; any details can be left over to their biographies, but on the whole they've cooperated enough together to be treated simultaneously). I also think you can just take out (or rather, move to criticisms, the ideological part on libertarians calling modern states "Marxists"). The first subsection on "Marxism" and "Marxian" seem a good way to introduce the matter. I wonder also if we could make in the introduction the distinction between Marxism as a political (and mass) movement (Communist parties and states), as an ideology (Marxist ideology, that is "Marxism" as popularly known) and Marxism as a political theory or philosophy (independent from orthodox or vulgar Marxism) — this distinction is common enough, but may be found in Etienne Balibar's works. Cheers and thanks for your work! Santa Sangre 14:21, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

PS: this distinction between Marxism as a political movement, an ideology or a philosophy will also permit us to treat Socialism (i.e. Marxism as a political movement) in the relevant article. In other words, I think it's better to reserve the Marxism article for Marxist theory (or philosophy) and its relations with Marxist ideology (or orthodox Marxism). Thus, Marxism would be about Marxist theory and theorists, and Socialism and Communism about Marxism as a mass political movement (which, as Eric Hobsbawm liked to recall, gathered a third of humankind in 1950). Santa Sangre 14:24, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

There's also much work need, IMO, in Marx's theory of human nature (which seems to endorse one commentator's POV to the exclusion of any other POV, quite surprising) and Marx's theory of alienation. These subarticles are probably the best way to introduce on specific topics of Marxist thought (as Commodity fetishism, etc.). Santa Sangre 14:27, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Influences on Karl Marx

Hi, Jen! I've being doing a research about Marx to write an article in which I make some comparisons between some of his basic concepts and Kardec's ones. The article you've written about the influences on Marx has been very useful, but I'd like you to tell me about academic sources, such as articles or books that support your statements. They look absolutely correct, but I unfortunately don't think I can point Misplaced Pages as a valid source, at least for now... Arges 16:10, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Justice

Hi - just thought you might like to know that I've just put the revised version of this article live. Comments welcome. Cheers, Sam Clark 14:42, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Category:Articles not related to sociology

Category:Articles not related to sociology is up for deletion. It looks like it's pretty much a foregone conclusion already. I suggest creating a list on the WikiProject page, and announcing that any article that doesn't belong in the category will be removed after a week. --M@rēino 18:45, 14 August 2006 (UTC)