User talk:BRG - Misplaced Pages

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textbook proposal

Hey, I am starting up a textbook site here on Misplaced Pages and noticed that you seem to be a science person also (thanks for updating one of my pages!). If you are interested in working on any of the science textbook pages please feel free, assuming they open up http://textbook.wikipedia.org there will be shortly parts of an organic chemistry book and then college physics. Best of luck, --- Karlwick

Fort Washington

Thanks for the Fort Washington page, I've partially updated iy I wanted to let you know what I'm up to before I move it. We eventually need a real article describing Fort Washington capture by the British (Nov 1776), so I'm going to move yours to a (disambiguatioon) subtitle and cerate at least a stub for the battle. Lou I 16:35 17 Jun 2003 (UTC)

disambiguation

Please stop creating broken links to MAJOR British towns and cities. Where one placename is principally associated with one location we use placename (disambiguation) to list the others and add a disambiguation notice at the top of the page with the ambiguous name, as per London, Paris, Durham, Sydney and Boston. You edited Paddington, London, England creating broken links for Cardiff and Swansea. These are the two principal cities in Wales with populations of over 200,000. Similarly you edited British Road Numbering Scheme placing Holyhead in England, when it is in fact in Wales. Also Exeter is an ancient city, nearly two thousand years old with a population of over 100,000 unlike the one-horse truck stops you have listed on the Exeter pages. Mintguy 07:37 9 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Exeter has 2000 years of history, a cathedral, a university and an international airport associated with it, as well as a population at least 10 times larger than and of those on "Exeter (disambiguation)" it is not "jerkwater town in England.". A quick google search shows that 35 of the first 50 hits refer to the English Exeter. Misplaced Pages is an international resource and should take an international perspective, not a purely North American one. As such Exeter in Devon is by far the most commonly referred to use of the word. My main point was that you created broken links with Cardiff and Swansea. Mintguy

The point, that you don't seem to be grasping, is that in the majority of cases when people want to look up Exeter they want the city in Britain. With nearly 2000 years of history it comes up quite a lot in various subjects, whereas the other Exeters do not. The long established convention is that where a place is significantly more well known than the others it takes precedence. Whether it is significantly large or not is not nearly as important. For example Cambridge in Britain is significantly more well known to people throughout the world than the other Cambridges and its population in 2001 was 108,863. Please learn the conventions. Mintguy 18:13 9 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Your use of the term "jerkwater town" is extremely insulting and I have tried to ignore it, but you persist. What you are saying is that YOU have never heard of Exeter. This is your problem. Perhaps you should read and enlighten yourself. Whatever, my point remains that the word Exeter is most associated with Exeter in Britain, and this is the convention. Mintguy

Stop it with your blanket reversions and read Misplaced Pages talk:Naming conventions (city names) Mintguy

BRG this isn't how we do things around here. We don't just blunder in and make blanket reversions. We discuss things and reach a reasonable consensus. At the moment the consensus of opinion agreed some time ago over Durham is that where a place is significantly associated with one particular place it takes precedence, now if you would be so kind as to cease making arbitary changes and discuss it. There is no need to get so uncooperative and make statments like revert (once again, until you darned well give up, Mintguy!)). this is not very constructive or helpful. Mintguy 14:51 11 Jul 2003 (UTC)

"Saint" vs. "St."

What the hell are you doing renaming towns and cities with St. to Saint. Wiki policy is to use St. for urban centres and buildings, saint for people, though with individual exceptions. Please read the naming conventions and follow them. FearÉIREANN 18:22 19 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Not according to the maps I have. Whether the US government uses St. or Saint doesn't matter a damn. If the official map says St. then things go in as St, PERIOD. You have been mucking up names of cities all over the place and breaking links all over the place with renamings that go against the agreed conventions that hundreds of wiki users use. If you want to change a convention, propose it and have it debated first. Don't unilaterally change things to the way you want. FearÉIREANN 18:33 19 Jul 2003 (UTC)

I'm going to have to agree with JT here. Not only does "St. Paul" MN yield 5 times as many google hits as "Saint Paul" MN, even the Saint Paul, Minnesota official website uses the abbreviation... it is located at http://www.ci.stpaul.mn.us/ --Dante Alighieri 18:48 19 Jul 2003 (UTC)

There is such a thing as the Board of Geographic Names in this country. It has official status. We really need to reflect that in our articles. - BRG

Perhaps I'm confused, but based on their own web page, the BGN deals with standardizing naming practices within the federal government. What does that have to do with local towns? --Dante Alighieri 19:14 19 Jul 2003 (UTC)

As the webpage says, "Although established to serve the Federal Government as a central authority to which all name problems, name inquiries, and new name proposals can be directed, the Board also plays a similar role for the general public." Thus the BGN's policies are the official authority for all names in the USA. BRG July 21

Check the naming conventions talk page, I actually TALKED to the BGN on the issue. --Dante Alighieri 16:30 23 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Perhaps we should also think that "St" is better than "St.", on account of this general convention: when the final letter is present, this contracted form does not need a full stop (or period, depending on which side of the Atlantic you originate).

Marble Hill

Re: Marble Hill map. Thanks. Some articles just cry out for a explanatory image. That was one.--Iseeaboar 13:19, 15 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Arlington City and County

Look at Juneau City and Borough, Alaska. The city and county have the SAME borders, therefore, they ARE the same. More significant cities like Tokyo, San Francisco, and Philadelphia are able to get away with having just the city name represent both the city and county (or in the case of Tokyo, city and prefecture)

However, Arlington VA and its county are the same, and Arlington just isn't that significant of a city. Therefore, I'm reverting it to "Arlington City and County" in the style of the Alaska article. However, you are welcome to discuss this with me. WhisperToMe 07:33, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)

"Braunschweig" vs. "Brunswick"

Several days ago you joined the discussion of whether Brunswick or Braunschweig should be the home of the article on the German city. After a brief discussion, the question was moved from the Votes for deletion page to Talk:Brunswick. Quite a bit of fact-finding occurred after that, but the decision appears to have reached an impasse. I am asking each of the participants to take a few minutes to review the facts presented on Talk:Brunswick and share their current thoughts. Thanks. Rossami 22:34, 8 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Another "disambiguation" discussion

Please read Misplaced Pages:Disambiguation. Links should only be added to disambig pages if they would otherwise appear under the title of that page. Arguably, neither Epsom Derby nor Kentucky Derby would be expected under the title Derby. These links are better placed, and the differences discussed, in Sports derby.—Eloquence

The same goes for placenames -- disambiguation pages are not supposed to be "lists of places with X in the title" but only of those which have this exact name, or one very close to it.—Eloquence

Obviously, the person who set up the line in Misplaced Pages:Boilerplate text that says

"'''_'''" is also a part of the name of:

thought otherwise. These seems to be some disagreement as to how similar a name should be to be mentioned; your ideas do not gibe with what's been done in the past. - BRG 15:19, 2 Jan 2004 (UTC)

You are quite correct - I have updated the boilerplate text. Once we allow some free association, there is no reason not to allow all free association, making disambiguation pages rather useless. The Derby case has made this very clear: Because we allowed the Epsom Derby to be listed, you felt justified in adding the Kentucky Derby. Before long, the page would turn into a List of Derbys, which is not the point of disambiguation pages.—Eloquence

Bloomfield Michigan

As far as I can tell, there is no 'official' Bloomfield, Michigan. There is a Charter Township of Bloomfield, which I think is often labeled on maps as simply Bloomfield. There is also the city of Bloomfield Hills and West Bloomfield Township, which are separate entities. Bkonrad 16:57, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)

http://www.placesnamed.com/b/l/bloomfield.asp appears to grab information from the GNIS, which is not entirely reliable. http://www.co.oakland.mi.us/communities/ lists the communities in Oakland County. I think that people may use Bloomfield to refer to the Charter Township of Bloomfield I suggest linking the entry on the Bloomfield dab page to the township article.

Ceqli language

If you think that this article was inappropriately deleted, re-listing it on VfD isn't the place to discuss it. You should take it to Votes for undeletion. Rick K 19:34, Jul 29, 2004 (UTC)

Actually, that says (although I think it's stupid) with a link to the Misplaced Pages:Votes for undeletion heading for the article.. The link you included was to the VfD discussion. Rick K 18:33, Jul 30, 2004 (UTC)

Hey BRG, it's up for undeletion right now! Be sure to voice your vote to undelete it!

You're welcome. I don't understand why it could be so important to some people that a conlang (other than a conlang that gets like five Google hits) stay deleted. Wiwaxia 13:05, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Bernie Williams

How you doing BRG? I read the edit you made to the page and I think it's alright to point out that there is a difference between the two William's, even though I think that by reading the first version it's pretty clear. However, I reverted the title back to its original title because in the very first sentence of the article it states very clearly that "this " Bernie Williams was born on Sept. 13, 1968, in San Juan, Puerto Rico. It doesn't seem proper norm to include the date of birth in the main title. Are you a Yankees fan? When I was a kid and lived in New York I got to meet the old yankee great ones. Recently I spent some time with Bernie and Joe Torre. Well take care, your friend in Misplaced Pages. User:Marine 69-71

BRG, Now I understand and you're right. Hey, whenever you want to talk about baseball, especially about them Yanks, drop me a line. User:Marine 69-71

I'd recommend putting the article back under Bernie Williams, with a stub on the same page for the earlier player. I'm not sure the previous Bernie Williams would merit a separate article, but if there were one it could be included in the same way as you'll find on the page for Frank Baker. In cases where both players are more prominent, I'd have separate pages (see Frank Thomas), but I'm not aware of any notable accomplishments for the first one (at least not in the majors). MisfitToys 13:11, Aug 26, 2004 (UTC)