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DYK Aluminium triacetate

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Happy Hogmanay!

Hi John, thanks for the message. I'm certainly glad to see 2016 gone!  :) EdChem (talk) 12:24, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Mackenzie Ziegler

Hi. You said that you found some reliable sources that are not mentioned in the article. If you would post the urls to my Talk page, I'll look at them and see if we can use them in the article. Of course, they might be just additional sources for facts that we have already included with other sources, but I'll look at them carefully. Thanks, and Happy New Year! All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:58, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

@Ssilvers: I included them in my !vote then lost the browser so they are gone. Here is the "Mackenzie Ziegler" search at the Teen Vogue site, 20 articles (some not her, no doubt). I think there was also one more the International Business Times. Pittsburg's WPXI site had a couple of pieces of the Ziegler's in a parade, and there were mentions in Pittsburg newspapers (Pittsburg Gazette-Times, Pittsburg Business something). I didn't look at all in detail or for use in the article, some may be passing mentions or devoted mostly to Maddie, but I saw enough to support a "Keep" view. Sorry, I need to go out shortly and can't take time to dig them up again. EdChem (talk) 23:12, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/James Oakley (politician)

EdChem, now that Marconi hook has been promoted without a link to Oakley, it's time to turn the Oakley into a real nomination if you're still interested in pursuing it. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:35, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Pyrithione

Hello! Your submission of Pyrithione at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! ἀνυπόδητος (talk) 20:09, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Shooting of Benjamin Marconi

Regarding just a specific small portion of this paragraph...

...the obvious question has to be: 'why ever not...?' Cheers, O Fortuna! 16:32, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

I'm confused, O Fortua! EdChem (talk) 16:45, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

HMB

Do you really think that an very old, completely useless reaction merits space in ZnCl₂ article? I agree, the anecdote merits mention in hexamethylbenzene, but in zinc chloride? Seems like WP:UNDUE. We are all keen to contribute content, but isnt there something a little more weighty out there if one wants to serve readers interested in zinc chloride? --Smokefoot (talk) 22:50, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Smokefoot, it illustrates that ZnCl
₂ was being used as early as 1880, with part of first function in the reaction apparently being as a Lewis acid for a Friedel-Crafts alkylation, which fits with the examples which immediately follow it, and it is catalysing an interesting (though no longer used) construction of a 12 carbon skeleton from a one carbon starting material. It is an example offered in a 118 page review from a journal (secondary source) I am surprised we do not include (Catalysis Reviews, 2015 IF = 7.526). I have added the reference to the methanol article where it supports the (previously unreferenced) methanol to gasoline material. So, in addition to adding content, in this process I have established that:

• We have a missing article on a journal
• There were broken OrgSynth refs on the zinc chloride page, now repaired
• A supporting reference has been added on the methanol page to this highly cited review article

If you think what I have done is UNDUE, you are (as always) free to edit / revert and see what the views are at the article talk page. When I find something that interests me, I often follow leads and edit as I go. In this case, I found this when looking into the WP:ITN/C#Carbon proposal to have a front page blurb about the 6 co-ordinate carbon structure reported in the dication of hexamethylbenzene. I edit Misplaced Pages because I enjoy it and learn from it, and when I have started something I'll put effort into building it, but I don't always edit to build a systematic encyclopaedic article on a topic from the ground out. I recognise that small additions here and there can lead to an overall UNDUE issue, which is why I appreciate others coming along and tweaking or even removing content. I do appreciate you stopping by, happy to discuss editing. I hope you can see and accept that my addition to zinc chloride is not what I might have done had I come to the article with the aim of expanding / developing content on zinc chloride, but I didn't come to write about zinc chloride in general but instead to add something interesting fitting within the existing content. Had it been zinc chloride catalysing a thoroughly unexceptional reaction, like (say) the Friedel-Crafts ethylation of an activated benzene with EtCl / ZnCl₂, then I would not have added it. However, what I added offers an example of alkylation (which was not there) and an unusual building of a carbon skeleton. I know that we don't want the interesting to crowd out the important, but that doesn't mean not including some of the interesting. I don't think I have obscured the important, but you may disagree. Anyway, having written too much, if you want to make changes, go for it. I'm happy to say thanks when a change to what I have added results in an improvement to the encyclopaedia, and certainly an external perspective can see flaws more readily. I don't go in for edit warring, so the worst I'd do is start an article talk page discussion, and abide by the consensus. Regards, EdChem (talk) 23:29, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

I apologize for making that remark. Stupid of me to criticize your excellent and well intentioned efforts, one of many I know. There was no justification for my rudeness, its just that I sometimes assume the worst. So thanks for your full response and forbearance with me, again. --Smokefoot (talk) 15:31, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Zeitschrift für Kristallographie – Crystalline Materials

On 9 January 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Zeitschrift für Kristallographie – Crystalline Materials, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Paul von Groth edited Zeitschrift für Krystallographie und Mineralogie for 44 years and used it to catalog the properties of more than 9,000 crystalline substances? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Zeitschrift für Kristallographie – Crystalline Materials. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Zeitschrift für Kristallographie – Crystalline Materials), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

DYK for Stöber process

On 12 January 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Stöber process, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that mesoporous silica nanoparticles are prepared by the Stöber process and are used in preparing biosensors and delivering medications to within cellular structures? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Stöber process. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Stöber process), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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DYK nomination of James Oakley (politician)

Hello! Your submission of James Oakley (politician) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 21:43, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Pyrithione

On 18 January 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Pyrithione, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that pyrithione is used to prepare medicated shampoos to treat dandruff and seborrhoeic dermatitis? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Pyrithione. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Pyrithione), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

File:Dimethylacetylene cyclotrimerisation with titanium tetrachloride catalyst.jpg listed for discussion

Misplaced Pages:Preparing images for upload#Do not save diagrams as JPEG

Hi EdChem. I'm posting the link above due to your question concerning JPEG and PNG. --Leyo 09:10, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, Leyo, useful and interesting page. I'll try to remember to avoid JPG for anything but photos. EdChem (talk) 10:54, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

• @Leyo: I have uploaded an image of a line drawing from 1886, in two versions – a jpg and a png. They are:
  • File:John Plankinton and William Plankinton mansions in 1886.jpg
  • File:John Plankinton and William Plankinton mansions in 1886.png

I am not sure which is the more suitable to keep, as this image is, at least, photo-like. Can you advise? Thanks. EdChem (talk) 07:27, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

In such cases, it's best to upload both versions. For explanations, see c:Template:Archival version and c:Template:Compressed version. --Leyo 07:49, 27 January 2017 (UTC) PS. Please note that a JPEG version should not be converted to PNG, because by having saved a file as a JPEG once the compression artifacts have already been introduced.

Harv Errors

It so happens that I got Misplaced Pages citation tool for Google Books from User:Dr. Blofeld.

He happened to be the #1 producer of Did You Knows at over 1600 (before he retired).

The Citation Tool is easy to work with (just drop in a Google Books URL) and it produces the "sfn" reference and source. I'll help on this.

In addition, you need to get the Harv Error tool from the Help Desk (with instructions) = it then shows this for your reference formatting errors.

I have learned many of these "tricks-of-the-trade" working with the top 3 DYK producers over the years.

I used many of these tools for the 30,0000 character Good Article I created of Carl Edgar Myers (0.0% Earwig). --Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:54, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

@Doug Coldwell: I've corrected the errors from a typo. I think the article flows better now, though the connection to Plankinton is still unclear on the sequence and when the engagement happened. Other individual works should be highlighted, in my view, and then the lede needs expansion. It is well over the character requirements for DYK, at least. What do you think of the article presently? Also, from the above, I suspect I've upset you. I would not suggest you are inexperienced nor am /I trying to criticise your work, and I'm sorry if that is the impression I am creating. EdChem (talk) 12:58, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

No, not at all upset. I think the article is developing out very good and definitely meets all the DYK requirements. Its in the area of what I would say as a Good Article = you have polished it very good with your grinding stone tools. BTW, you fixed the ref errors and they no longer show as red. I'll continue watching television, so we don't have edit conflicts. What would you think if I added you as a co-creator for John Plankinton and Elizabeth Plankinton = that way then you will get 2 more DYK credits (besides the one for Richard Henry Park). So, it is O.K. to add you?--Doug Coldwell (talk) 13:09, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

I'm going to sleep so won't be making changes for at least 8 hours, if you want to make changes. Any thoughts on which other monuments / works belong in the works section? Thanks for the offer on other DYK credits, but please hold off for the moment. I want to make sure I have made sufficient contributions to the article to justify inclusion. Chat more tomorrow. EdChem (talk) 13:27, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Yes, O.K. = I am at UTC -5 hours (13:45 UTC = 8:45 a.m. in the morning to me). I figure you are about 12 hours difference.

I put the Misplaced Pages citation tool for Google Books on my desktop for quick access.

Here is what you get AFTER replacing with author's last name & first name in appropriate boxes and click on Make Citation.

Replace then the "harv" with "sfn". Then add the source to the article (with a asterisk star)

Ask if you have questions = I have done it this way for over 400 DYKs. Still suggest to get handy Harv Error "red indicator detector" from Help Desk (with instructions).--Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:32, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Morning, Doug (well... morning for me). I'm in Sydney, so 13:45 UTC is 00:45 for me. Thanks for the images of the tool, though I definitely prefer the referencing with ref tags I am used to. Also, for this book, the tool gives authorship to the Museum and two authors, which is inaccurate. Looking at page iii of the book, it clearly has one editor, Tolles, with three authors who each wrote some of the chapters, which is why I separated the chapter refs as I did, it seemed the easiest way to reflect accurately the individual authorships. It is sadly common for the info on the google books summary page to be different from that shown in the front pages of the book, and I take the latter as accurate. In this case, the google author list is incomplete as Tolles wrote some chapters, and the title mixes the series and volume names. I can see the use of the tool but its output needs checking against the source. Getting the harv error detector is a good idea, thanks. EdChem (talk) 23:25, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

@Doug Coldwell: I have added to the Elizabeth Plankinton House and John Plankinton articles, and I think I am justified now in accepting your suggestion of DYKmake credits on those as well as the Richard Henry Park article. On the Elizabeth Plankinton article itself, there is the problem that I was the reviewer, so if I became a co-author we'd need to call for a new review. Regarding the image from Park's passport and the church record of the marriage, can we use the flickr images as part of references? I do wonder with Park whether other monuments should have their own sections (Edgar Allen Poe, for example, and the one of the ex-VP from 1890), but are any of these reasons to hold up adding the DYK nom? I think adding the refs on the marriage and birth place is enough for DYK purposes. EdChem (talk) 12:59, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

I'll add you as the co-creator for Elizabeth Plankinton House and John Plankinton articles. I'll leave Elizabeth Plankinton the way it is, as NOT to delay and hold up the DYK nomination. I believe it's alright to use passport and county records as references = I'll put in articles accordingly. I do believe we are all done (complete with all needed QPQs) and ready for the 3-in-1 hook to become an official Did You Know = hopefully in the #1 queue position with the Elizabeth Plankinton House mansion picture. Thanks for all your great contributions to these articles. Good-night!--Doug Coldwell (talk) 13:22, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Michigan

• FYI, I live in Ludington, Michigan. This is the view I have of Lake Michigan from my senior apartment window.

• It so happens that Parks marriage to the dancer happened July 18, 1887. See left sheet 3/4 down page.

in Grand Haven (Michigan), just directly across Lake Michigan from Milwaukee (day's boat trip).

Here is Ackerman, page 105 reference.

Secret marriage initially, I am guessing. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 23:18, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

• Excellent sources, Doug. I have found that there are Plankinton Family Papers which would be useful. Note Elizabeth has a diary of her European trip in 1879, which would probably be when she met Park (I saw another source saying they met in Florence, perhaps when Park was doing a bust of her father). The sequence of events is becoming much clearer. EdChem (talk) 23:37, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

As you can see in Park's 1872 passport,

he says that he was born in Hebron, Connecticut. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:06, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Mel

• The state of Michigan has a sophisticated ILL system called Michigan eLibrary. Basically what that means is that any book in any library in Michigan I can borrow through ILL. That is potentially some hundreds of thousands of books, since there are hundreds of libraries in the system plus many Colleges and Universities. Those are my pictures in the above article of books I have borrowed from time to time to create articles. The first picture of January 2017 are books I used for these 3 articles we just worked on (besides Google Books). It turns out that over the last 10 years 98% of all the articles I have ever created turned into a Did You Know. I have been the co-creator on some other articles and is the reason why my DYK list is more than the articles I created.

These are Mel books I now have on my table,

next to my desk of 3 PCs.

I am also presently working on upgrading my article I created on Franklin's electrostatic machine to GA status and is the reason some are related Franklin books in the list. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:00, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

• I like the way you operate and think = perhaps someday we can do some more Did You Know articles together. My Modus operandi is that I normally write up a completed draft article offline FIRST. That way there is no DYK clock involved and I can take weeks to research and work it out = AND order ILL books! Do you have the FREE Newspaper.com subscription from Misplaced Pages Library? --Doug Coldwell (talk) 20:29, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Hi Doug, I'm glad things have gone well, even despite the time challenges. I prefer some more planned work, myself, but sometimes an opportunity for a hook change or an extra link comes by, and the outcome can be good. I'm happy to collaborate some more, working in user space is a less frantic way. There are three possible articles that occur to me, and there is also a nice hook available linking them...
    • ... that William Plankinton, for whom William Plankinton House is named, commissioned the John Plankinton Statue from the sculptor who was his sister's ex-fiancé?
  • It could be a picture hook, either with a picture of the statue or of the William Plankinton house from the line drawing I'm about to add to the John Plankinton article from Buck (1886, p. 178), in jpeg and png formats. From the information I've added to the JP article, there is enough to write about the house (also demolished by Marquette University, along with the John Plankinton house. In fact, it could be four articles:
    • ... that William Plankinton, for whom William Plankinton House (pictured adjacent to the John Plankinton House) is named, commissioned the memorial statue for his father from the sculptor who was his sister's ex-fiancé?
  • There are a bunch of little tweaks that would benefit the four articles we've already done, including:
    • Finding a reference to the birth and death of Hannah Plankinton, John's first daughter, as the present reference does not appear to me (from another web hosting of the article) to support it.
    • Establish date of death of John's first wife.
    • Can we use the images of the passport and church record as part of the references for the articles?
    • Add extra monuments to the Park article.
    • An article on the Plankinton House Hotel could be done, too... and on that idea, we could approach an editor good at architecture articles to add more the building articles.
  • Getting a newspapers.com account is a good idea, I should do that. EdChem (talk) 06:54, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
• Yes, I have had the FREE historical Newspaper subscription since December 2015 and it expired after a year. They are working on a renewal, which should happen within a week. A recent DYK article where I used it was for William V. Thompson. Another FREE subscription I got from The Misplaced Pages Library was for High Beam Research. They have other FREE subscriptions available. You probably have access to JSTOR = I do not.
• Question - IF you start a "draft" in your UserSpace can I then edit in it? We could then develop out these 3 or 4 articles you mention above. We could then make them real live official articles in a few weeks, when they are basically done. Presently I have in my man-cave with my PCs several books on Milwaukee. Likely there will be information on William in some of these. Will that work? If it does, start something with a sentence and I will jump in? I can notice when the red link turns blue. Deal??--Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:31, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Basically, what I am saying above of a "draft" is NOT to start the actual article (so as not to start the DYK clock) and THEN we can have weeks to work on it BEFORE the "DYK clock" starts. I would say to start a "Draft" and work it out as complete to the end product as possible BEFORE making it live and official. Just let me know where the "Draft" articles are = I will jump in and help develop it out. It usually takes me 2-4 weeks to develop an article in draft BEFORE I make it live and official. That's the day the "DYK clock" starts = I make it a "new article" and a DYK nimination on the SAME day = 1 day then to the "DYK clock" so it is short enough by default and did NOT then pass the time period. ALL my "new articles" and DYK nominations are always the SAME day = I win by default!. Comments?--Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:39, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
    • Yes, I understood what you meant, just that we'll work in user space rather than draft space. EdChem (talk) 12:43, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
  • (edit conflict) Doug Coldwell, as I understand it, editing in someone else's user space is considered poor form unless it is justified by some policy, or it is by invitation... So, please, by all means, join me in editing these in my user space, or I'm equally comfortable if they are in yours... assuming, of course, that you choose to invite me in :). I'll have to message you when they are created, though, because the red links above won't go blue until the articles are moved from user to article space. The only other problem (of which I am aware) is that the articles can only be made live by moving them into article space, and not by the cut-and-paste moves that some editors like to use. The reason is that cut-and-paste is fine only if the text was written entirely the editor doing the move, which is impossible if more than one editor has contributed content. Having said that, it's not an issue for me as I prefer to move into article space rather than cut-and-paste anyway.  :)
  • Re William, I hope your books can help, because his article is the only one of those four red links that I have not seen enough materials to be sure that there is enough to justify an article... but then, I wasn't looking for such materials, just thought about it when I saw the article on the demolition of his house.
  • Out of curiosity, do you like the image of the two house from 1886? Did you like the additions to the JP article on his son's house? Does the idea for the possible four-article hook seem interesting / hooky to you? EdChem (talk) 12:41, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Let me respond a little later on these points = my wife is cutting my hair and I will be offline for an hour. Maybe check your email tomorrow morning. On a quick glance this all looks good.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:48, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

E-mail

trifluoroperacetic acid DYK

Hi there. Should I complete the review of Template:Did you know nominations/trifluoroperacetic acid, or are you and DMacks still updating trifluoroperacetic acid? Mindmatrix 00:53, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Mindmatrix, thanks for asking. DMacks is still planning to further expand the section Trifluoroperacetic acid#Oxidative cleavage of arenes. If you look in that section, there is hidden text from me with details of references which he wanted. I am also contemplating making it a double hook by adding the bio of William D. Emmons who developed / pioneered it as a laboratory reagent. I have already expanded it from 541 characters to 1153 characters and the article links to a 2 page obituary that is not used, so an expansion to the necessary x5 size is not difficult. DMacks, any idea when you'll get a chance to look at the arene oxidative cleavage (no pressure, just asking for information for Mindmatrix). Mindmatrix, do you mind another couple of days, and reviewing the second article (for a second QPQ credit for you)? I realise I'll need to provide another QPQ review. EdChem (talk) 02:06, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. I wasn't expecting to have to review a second article, but I don't mind. Take as much time as you need, but please leave a message on my talk page when one or both of the articles are ready. This means I'll likely review in the middle of next week at the earliest. (BTW: you don't really need to expand trifluoroperacetic acid further for DYK, you can always add material afterward.) Mindmatrix 02:15, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

I don't doubt the article complies with DYK requirements, though it is close to being complete and that is a good place for main page exposure. I think we may put it up for GA, actually, which would be great for what started as creating a stub on a compound missing from WP.  :) EdChem (talk) 02:28, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Explore: The Journal of Science & Healing

On 27 January 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Explore: The Journal of Science & Healing, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Elsevier publication Explore: The Journal of Science & Healing has been described as a "sham masquerading as a real scientific journal" that publishes "truly ridiculous studies"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Explore: The Journal of Science & Healing. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Explore: The Journal of Science & Healing), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Comments at ANI

Hey EdChem, I wanted to follow up with you, as I fear you may have misunderstood some of what I said. First, I wasn't on TRM's talk page in my capacity as an admin—we've had plenty of run-ins, making me far too involved with regards to him. That feeds into #2: the secondary clause in my apology was to ensure no people dropping into the ANI discussion (especially ones that know the history between TRM and I) would mistakenly think that I was deliberately insultly him. You can see a second apology that makes that clearer here. Third, saying that I didn't have time to redact was not a justification for anything. It referred to a comment from TRM, which you can see here, that "By the way, you've got one chance to redact that bullshit "like a normal human being" or else it's ANI for the both of us. You choose." Ten minutes later, we were at ANI. Best, Ed  00:20, 30 January 2017 (UTC)