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I gues I've lived a bit more than some

Since all but the first two things have happened to me at some point. And I've been blocked for a spurious reason. I'm still alive and emotionally stable and still edit Misplaced Pages. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:56, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Since this is now in project space, let's just go for it and assume most people have a perfect life and have never experienced any kind of adversity in their normal lives and I'm just a mutant. Here's some more from my own illustrious life we might as well add if that is the supposition of this essay:
  • Divorced
  • assauted by random strangers apparently because I was the wrong color in that place and time (three times)
  • evicted for bogus reasons (twice)
  • terrifying car accidents (four)
  • cheated on by siginifcant other (not sure how many times, but all from the same....person)
  • Degrading phone conversations with collection agents
  • Insulted and degraded for basically no reason while working in the service sector (too many times to count)

Let me know if you need more, I'm sure I could come up with a few... Beeblebrox (talk) 06:35, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

OK, I was about to write a touchy-feely post about how Beebs is good people but he's wrong ;) People do sometimes feel hurt when a community they've invested time and energy in seems to be rejecting them. Surely we've all managed to overreact to something objectively minor at some point in our lives, possibly as a result of some of those other things on Beebs' list? ...But then I got to the part of this essay that says being blocked is the worst punishment they've ever had in their adult life. Which is just a tad over the top. Or maybe directed at those who've just turned 18. This essay has good insight to offer, but exaggerations like that undermine its credibility.
I'm also not quite sold on the idea that new users are disproportionately distressed by being blocked. Anecdotal experience suggests that most new users will accept a reasonable explanation, even if they're a little jarred by the experience. On the other hand, established editors often feel frustrated, hurt, and alienated when they get blocked for reasons they feel are disrespectful of their contributions, and those relationships can be much harder to repair. Opabinia regalis (talk) 08:58, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
The only analogy that I think makes any sense at all is being kicked out of a bar or restaurant. (And that one actually hasn't happened to me although I have been cut off once or twice) There's lots of reasons a person can be kicked out, and in most cases it's no big deal if the come back tommorow and don't repeat the behavior from the night before, but there are a few things that are more serious and will get you kicked out for good. It's not akin to a fistfight, being arrested, sued, etc, in any reasonable way. You're being kicked out, not locked up. And not even kicked all the way out, you can still look at it all you want. Perhaps now that this is in project space it will be modified with more realistic examples. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:43, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
That doesn't quite work - at a bar your role is as a paying customer first, and only secondarily (if at all) as a member of a community with a common purpose. More like getting asked not to come to next week's trivia night. Even if you know damn well you got too drunk and yelled about an answer that wasn't accepted but was totally right, dammit and generally acted like a jerk, it still stings to be told a group you're invested in belonging to doesn't want you around. Opabinia regalis (talk) 19:38, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
Being sanctioned by a group one is invested in being a part of is how that group maintains its norms and social integrity. Special snoflakism ultimately means no one is held accountable for their behavior until it becomes intolerable. Everyone screws up and a community can either gently bring them in line with its norms or it can become a breeding ground for assholes and egotists. You need to screw up pretty badly and respond poorly to lesser attempts to bring your behavior in line with community norms to get even a moderate term block. A person who is incapable of conforming to the minimal rules/norms of Misplaced Pages and incapable of adjusting/moderating their behavior when the issue is pointed out to them and has so little experience of life that they have never been called out or corrected is probably not mature enough to interact collaboratively with adults. Yes, admins need to consider that there is a person with feelings and possibly a very different world view, values and life experiences but this empathy should not be an excuse to allow problematic behavior to continue uncorrected. Jbh 15:18, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

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Misplaced Pages:Being blocked hurtsUser:Herostratus/Being blocked hurts – Essays that represent extreme minority viewpoints and seem to be owned by a particular user belong in userspace, not project space. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:42, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Oppose – how is this a minority viewpoint? Surely we should all agree that being blocked hurts, especially if done without warning, without clear explanation, etc. Dicklyon (talk) 23:59, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
The way it is written it over-dramatizes it, comparing it to various real-world things tha are ugh more traumatic than being blocked on a website, and the author, instead of commenting here, removed an attempt to add some balance to it. Beeblebrox (talk) 02:17, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
Yes, I saw that. I'm perhaps luckier than you in not having had such a dramatic life. Still, it's a point worth making, and maybe there are better ways to tune it up than the way you did. Dicklyon (talk) 02:20, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
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