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Change in New Page Reviewer Rights

I don't recall ever having interacted with you but you just changed my rights. I can't read the summary. Could you justify this change? It impacts my ability to do deletion and cleanup because pages I mark for deletion no longer get marked automatically as reviewed. Legacypac (talk) 05:04, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

That is exactly why I removed the rights...your deletion requests are often inappropriate. If they are not marked reviewed, they are more likely to be reverted by those reviewing. And I found you through the WP:ANI threads. If you want to complain about the change, do it in those threads.... — Arthur Rubin (talk) 05:28, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
You are experienced enough to not believe every unsubstantiated allegation you read at ANi. Please show me where my "deletion requests are often inappropriate". . Legacypac (talk) 06:34, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
So, while the discussion is still running, your have already started hammering him? The Banner talk 16:43, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
@The Banner: I investigated a number of Legacypac's promotions to mainspace, and most do not meet any reasonable criterion for such promotion. I can't say it's conclusive he's violating the rules, but he admits to actions which create disruption. I would require more time to determine whether a topic ban is appropriate, but it's clear his edits need to be watched. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 16:49, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
I'm not taking actions that are disruptive. I am plowing through backlogs in AfC. Your accusation of improper moves might justify me not being autopatrolled, a right I've not sought because I like having my moves to main reviewed and added to projects etc. Here is my move log. If there is really such a problem, you would expect to see a lot more red. Remember in addition to regular NPP everyone who has ever lost a dispute with me is pouring trough my edits looking for issues already. If you believe a specific page is unsuitable, use AfD. Also, I use twinkle which automatically marks pages tagged for deletion as reviewed. If you have an issue with twinkle functionality, my user rights are not the correct venue. Legacypac (talk) 19:10, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
So you are not sure if there are any policy/guideline violations at all, but you still act against him. Why? The Banner talk 19:45, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
  1. Being disruptive is against policy.
  2. Moving BLP violations (or copyright violations) from draft to mainspace is a violation of WP:BLP or WP:COPYRIGHT; even though the status before is in violation, the status afterwords is worse. My action specifically reduces the damage caused by these moves. Removing the other bit would also help.
  3. It may not be complete, but Legacy had agreed to restrictions (or had restrictions imposed) and then pushed around the edges, demonstrating either WP:GAME or WP:CIR problems.
Arthur Rubin (talk) 20:02, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
1. say what?
2. No one has shown I've moved a BLP violation to mainspace. Making false allegations like you just made IS against the rules. I missed one copyvio that was caught by someone else. I did not introduce the copyvio I just missed it while checking for any problems. On the flip side I've found copyvio other reviewer missed. So where is there a pattern?
3. What are you talking about? Again broad allegations without proof. Legacypac (talk) 22:27, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Hi Arthur, I'm not currently concerned with what's going on at AfC - that's more of DGG's domain - but I believe that on the balance, Legacypac's New Page Reviewing is a net positive; there are a lot of people doing a worse job, and the vast majority of them who asked for the right are not doing any reviewing at all. Also, there is a current issue at which the WMF is not enthusiastic about updating the Page Curation software, based on what they feel is a too-strict interpretation by the community over our work at NPP. This is a major critical issue and I would like to avoid more humiliation for Legacypac by him being dragged into the arguments being used by the Foundation. I move we reinstate the right, but of course the final decision rests with you. I feel we can resolve this here without the background noise of peanuts being munched at AN or ANI. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:58, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
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