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124.189.201.161 (talk) 06:12, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

What do you wish to add?Crboyer (talk) 06:21, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

In the media section

Lawrence appeared in Victoria's Secret's listing of the "Sexiest Up-and-Coming Bombshell" in 2011, Maxim's Hot 100 from 2011 to 2014, and topped FHM's sexiest women in the world list in 2014.

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Derschowitz, Jessica (May 12, 2011). "Emma Stone, Rihanna top Victoria's Secret's "What is Sexy?" list". CBS News. Archived from the original on April 20, 2016. Retrieved May 21, 2016. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
"2011 Hot 100 List". Maxim. May 3, 2011. Archived from the original on April 6, 2016. Retrieved July 4, 2016. {{cite news}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
"2012 Hot 100 List". Maxim. April 27, 2012. Archived from the original on June 23, 2016. Retrieved July 4, 2016. {{cite news}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
Brukman, Jesse (September 29, 2013). "2013 Hot 100 List". Maxim. Archived from the original on July 1, 2016. Retrieved July 4, 2016. {{cite news}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
James, Richard (September 28, 2014). "2014 Hot 100 List". Maxim. Archived from the original on April 12, 2016. Retrieved July 4, 2016. {{cite news}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
Waller, Jordan (April 30, 2014). "The Official 100 Sexiest Women In The World 2014: The full list". FHM. Archived from the original on May 5, 2014. Retrieved July 10, 2014. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)

Like most of the section, nearly all the sources given are primary. Yes, multiple publications have noted her beauty/attractiveness/whatever, but why are these particular ones important? Where is the decent secondary source that deals properly with her "sex symbol" status, perhaps with her response? --Hillbillyholiday 16:27, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Why should secondary sources mention sex appeal lists by primary sources? Why is that even an expectation? And why should she respond to them? What should she say? Thank you for including me in the lists, I'm flattered that people find me sexy? --Krimuk2.0 (talk) 16:31, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Primary sourcing isn't necessarily a bad thing when it's not being used for contentious claims, which none of the above involve. Including a citation specifically calling her a sex symbol is understandable. Not sure what to say about any response she might have. As for including those specific rankings, I could be wrong, but my guess is that they're among the more major publications out of those who praise her appearance (or at least among the more respected ones). Snuggums (talk / edits) 16:35, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

"Why is that even an expectation?" Bloody hell. You'd think a Featured Article would deal with the matter of her "sex symbol" status properly, not just give an apparently random and cherrypicked list. Something like Julien Coallier (18 December 2014). Exploring Cinematic Narratives Through Feminist Lenses: Mulvey and the Hunger Games. pp. 6–. ISBN 978-1-312-76713-3. This one from Reuters reports on her being voted "most desirable" woman at least. While we're here, does this article actually use any book sources? (Her response, by the way, was that being called a sex symbol made her feel queasy.) --Hillbillyholiday 16:50, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

The book hardly tells us anything about Lawrence's sex appeal. The most desirable source that you are referring to is (was) here that you are so keen on removing. PS I came across the being a sex-symbol makes me queasy source long ago but decided not use it because, as far as I know, Metro is generally discouraged in FAs, although I think I might have mistaken it for some other British newspaper. – FrB.TG (talk) 17:02, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Metro is overall deemed subpar; better to use other sources regardless of what state a Misplaced Pages article is in. Snuggums (talk / edits) 17:09, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

That version said Multiple media publications have deemed Lawrence attractive... followed by a list which seemed rather synthy to me, none of the sources talks of "multiple publications" etc. The list also had "awards" like "Most Outstanding Woman" or "Top Woman", which don't really fit. Like much of the article, it appears to be cherrypicked from whatever news or reviews were available, with few decent secondary sources. I am surprised (though not muchly) that it passed the FA review; without proper secondary sources giving an overview of her career, I don't see how a decent article can be written. The book was only given as a rough example of the sort of source one would expect to find in an FA. --Hillbillyholiday 17:24, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

I see Krimuk2.0 just reverted again. Perhaps you could design us a neat line-graph that charts her level of sexiness over the years, as assessed by all the various lad-wank publications? --Hillbillyholiday 19:12, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

How very rude. From one feminist to another: graphs and wanking should never be used in the same sentence. --Krimuk2.0 (talk) 20:10, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Krimuk2.0, speaking as a trained mathematician and professional analyst, I would like to say that charts can be extremely sexy.

That Lawrence features in various "Hot 100" lists is notable if the publication is notable and there's some history behind the list. Someone appearing on say the FHM 100 Sexiest Women is notable, because FHM is notable and the list existed for quite a long time. If a magazine published a one-off list then I'd say that's not notable. I'm not sure I like the phrasing "publications have deemed Lawrence attractive", just state she appeared in the list for years X-Y. -mattbuck (Talk) 09:18, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Questioning removal of my edits? (sacred rocks and Planned Parenthood)

Hello,

I made some edits to this article last night, with additional articles as citations for Lawrence's support of Planned Parenthood. I also added a notation about the controversy around her onset error with some sacred rocks in Hawaii. This was also heavily referenced.

These were made in good faith and I wanted to know why they were removed? They were not malicious.

Thank you very muchSunnyBoi (talk) 04:16, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Because that whole butt-scratching controversy is not something that should be mentioned in an FA, it is quite trivial. – FrB.TG (talk) 07:38, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi @FrB.TG , thank you for the update regarding FAs and what is eligible. I disagree because the sacred rocks issue was quite a prominent one given that it involved disrespecting an entire culture, and was deemed newsworthy at the time and is part of how she, as an actor, engages with the media and presents a narrative of her onset experience. If FAs are meant to be neutral, why are controversies not able to be listed as part of Media coverage and general reception? I also think that more information around the support for Planned Parenthood, and the linkage with her feminism, is notable. I am not going to add my edits back in seeing as they are not seen to be admissible, but I really question the neutrality of the article. Thank you for answering my question. SunnyBoi (talk) 03:36, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

TFA

Holy crap! This article was on Wiki's front page yesterday and viewed 109k times, enough to get it an entry here. Congrats to the article's main contributors, including myself. – FrB.TG (talk) 07:38, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Yay! This won't go down well with a certain graph-obsessed reverter, who thinks a) that the article is crap, b) sexy women shouldn't be called sexy, and that c) anyone who thinks women can be sexy isn't a feminist. --Krimuk2.0 (talk) 07:51, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

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