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MTV EMA

Please help to protect MTV Europe Music Awards. User Earthh keeps vandalizing article--Spacejam2 (talk) 14:53, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Replied here. --NeilN 15:03, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – December 2017

News and updates for administrators from the past month (November 2017).

Administrator changes

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Guideline and policy news

• Following a request for comment, a new section has been added to the username policy which disallows usernames containing emoji, emoticons or otherwise "decorative" usernames, and usernames that use any non-language symbols. Administrators should discuss issues related to these types of usernames before blocking.

Technical news

• Wikimedians are now invited to vote on the proposals in the 2017 Community Wishlist Survey on Meta Wiki until 10 December 2017. In particular, there is a section of the survey regarding new tools for administrators and for anti-harassment.
• A new function is available to edit filter managers which can be used to store matches from regular expressions.

Arbitration

• Voting in the 2017 Arbitration Committee elections is open until Sunday 23:59, 10 December 2017 (UTC). There are 12 candidates running for 8 vacant seats.

Miscellaneous

• Over the last few months, several users have reported backlogs that require administrator attention at WP:ANI, with the most common backlogs showing up on WP:SPI, WP:AIV and WP:RFPP. It is requested that all administrators take some time during this month to help clear backlogs wherever possible. It should be noted that AIV reports are not always valid; however, they still need to be cleared, which may include needing to remind users on what qualifies as vandalism.
• The Wikimedia Foundation Community health initiative is conducting a survey for English Misplaced Pages contributors on their experience and satisfaction level with Administrator’s Noticeboard/Incidents. This survey will be integral to gathering information about how this noticeboard works (i.e. which problems it deals with well and which problems it struggles with). If you would like to take this survey, please sign up on this page, and a link for the survey will be emailed to you via Special:EmailUser.

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Incorrect copyright information on File:Apache-nifi-logo.svg

Hi! While editing the Apache NiFi article, I noticed that the copyright on above file (and commons:File:Apache-nifi-logo.svg) is set to {{self}} - which doesn't seem right. The one on commons:File:Hadoop logo new.svg appears to be the right one to use. Both Nifi and Hadoop are sister projects by the Apache Software Foundation and are under the same software license. I am unsure how I handle/report this. Any suggestions? -MayureshK 17:21, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi MayureshK. Thanks for spotting this. In these cases, simply correct the license as I've done here. --NeilN 20:32, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Facepalm moment. Should have realized this myself. 😏 Thanks anyway. -MayureshK 21:10, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

re: the one week ban

See my response on my talk page. Thanks Russianvodka (talk) 09:03, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Replied here --NeilN 17:35, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Asking for opinion

Hello, I would like to ask for your opinion, I added an extra information here based on a previously linked source, but the user Bijanii (talk · contribs) reverted my edit and wrote a warning on my talk page, does he have the right to issue this warning? is there a problem in my edit? I just came back from block for edit warring with this user and I was the only one blocked, I don't want to go through that again. Thanks UA3 (talk) 11:13, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi UA3. Your edit was sourced and certainly was not vandalism so Bijanii's warnings about vandalism were incorrect and, if continued, seen as a personal attack. I also see that he took the opportunity to revert again while you were blocked so he now gets the same block as you did. --NeilN 14:22, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Second opinion

Wow, you're the opinion guy! (I notice the opinion request above...) Hi Neil, hope all's well with you. I could use a second opinion. Jyoti halder has tried several times to create articles about himself at Jyoti halder and Jyoti Halder. I also notice lingering drafts at Draft:Jyoti Halder, User:Jyoti halder/sandbox, User:Jyoti halder/sendbox, and his user page is yet another version of this article. Given that he seems to be here for self-promotion, I'm inclined to indef him. I'm happy to give him another chance to contribute, but I don't think that's why he's here. Also, do you think it would be prudent of me to delete the various sandboxes and his user page? User page under NOTWEBHOST and G5 Unambiguous promotion. Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:36, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi Cyphoidbomb, good to hear from you. All those pages should be deleted using the criteria you provided. I rarely block when the editor hasn't been warned about blocking if their behavior continues and hasn't ignored the warning if one exists (basically the same as vandalism - you're appropriately warned and then blocked if you vandalize again). In this case, I would add a custom crafted note to their talk page that states why their pages were deleted, explains that Misplaced Pages is not for self-promotion and points them to sites like Facebook and Linkedin, and warns them that they'll be blocked if they continue the self-promotion. --NeilN 16:52, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

All reasonable. Thanks mate. Hope your December goes swimmingly. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:00, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for taking into consideration my request, especially because i am still new so i am still confused about all that, i need some orientation Nadadaz (talk) 20:02, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi Nadadaz. Thank you for pointing out mistakes with the article! I've placed some helpful links on your talk page and you can also use the Help Desk to ask questions. I hope you stick around and help out with improving our articles. --NeilN 20:07, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi NeilN, I wanted to know wheither you were responsable about all the celeb pages or just this one ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nadadaz (talk • contribs) 20:14, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

@Nadadaz: No editor or administrator is responsible for any page. Misplaced Pages is a group effort (it has hundreds of thousands of editors) so all editors can fix, change, or add to any article if they adhere to our policies and guidelines. Some articles are protected from editing because they're often the target of vandalism or other disruption. You'll be able to edit most of these articles once your account is four days old and has ten edits (you already have six). --NeilN 20:25, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

NeilN , Okay i got that, thank you so much — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nadadaz (talk • contribs) 20:33, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Russianvodka

Still editing disruptively, with some slow edit warring without discussion (apparently believing that as s/he is the one adding text, s/he does not need to discuss). However, what bothers me most is this edit summary which is a (mild) personal attack, just the kind of thing s/he was warned by you not to make again. I'm off to bed and don't have the energy to warn or discuss again, but wanted to leave a note about this. Cheers, --bonadea contributions talk 21:48, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

There is no need to bother NeilN anymore because Russianvodka is not hearing. All that can be done is tolerate him for some more days per WP:DEADLINE and then take him to ANI. D4iNa4 (talk) 20:53, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

D4iNa4, I blocked them for a week about thirty minutes ago. --NeilN 20:57, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

If I was being a nuisance I apologise - I was rather frustrated myself last night with the tendentiousness of rv's edits, and I should probably just have dropped it. It is easy to forget sometimes that very few things at Misplaced Pages are emergencies. :-) Thanks for keeping an eye on the situation. --bonadea contributions talk 21:19, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

@Bonadea: Not a nuisance at all. Thanks for alerting me. --NeilN 21:22, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Shoe fetishism

I'm sorry that image is totally inappropriate for a punk girl licking, the shameful shoe scene in the history of humankind depressing and totally humiliating the fetishism of the shoe and something horrible and forbidding, and by idiots put photos as you of[REDACTED] a series impartial as you meanwhile the fetishism of the shoe would have to impose, it with ferocious taboos for life in these subjects are of gender all homosexuals and bisexuals and finally transsexuals to be fetishists of the shoe disgusting that reluctant adversaries. -- Zorziesmax (talk) 01:21, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Is that you, User:Borcker? Sro23 (talk) 01:23, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Whoever it is, they're indeffed. --NeilN 01:27, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Awww, and I was having fun reading that .... Softlavender (talk) 03:50, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Sockpuppet getting around block

Your block on User talk:Ryanlochteboy has been subverted with the same exact edit now being done by User talk:Conwaymarty. I opened up a sockpuppet investigation at Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet_investigations/Jakemanboy. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:19, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

@Fyunck(click): Bbb23 nabbed a bunch of them. Thanks Bbb23! --NeilN 21:46, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

I thought something screwy was going on. Thanks to both of you for your efforts. Fyunck(click) (talk) 21:59, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Oops

Great minds think alike. Or at least they edit-conflict. I can self-rv if you think it would help avoid confusion, or you can do it. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 04:07, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

@Shock Brigade Harvester Boris: Nah, I've replied to you there. --NeilN 04:08, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

The Train Master

Hello again, and thanks for blocking this user for 2 days. However, I'm coming back because I am heavily concerned again. This user appears to be resuming their disruption after they were released from their block. They don't seem interested in discussion, and I'm concerned that they might be approaching WP:NOTHERE. Perhaps something else can be done? jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk • contribs) 16:57, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

@Jd22292: Another two weeks. The editor seems to be here to improve the encyclopedia but the utter lack of communication or acknowledgement of concerns are incompatible with the collaborative nature of the project. --NeilN 17:36, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Concerning User:Falconfly

User:Falconfly has resumed his edit-warring behavior. I left a message on his talkpage to remind him, but, I'm not sure what else to say. Would it be at all possible if I could ask you to discuss with him the situation?--Mr Fink (talk) 19:26, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

@Apokryltaros: Not exactly discussing but rather a blunt warning. You know before this I had no idea Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Palaeontology/Paleoart review was a thing. Misplaced Pages editors are awesome. --NeilN 19:57, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Hooray for quality control! And thank you for your help in the situation.--Mr Fink (talk) 21:04, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Food irradiation

Hey just put a block on the Misplaced Pages page for food irradiation. I just noticed all the edit warring today and corrected my mistake by the previous poster. I went through all the effort I could to find all the places where they were discussing this issue obviously none of which was on the food irradiation talk page. I have checked all the place they discussed this issue and there is no consensus no matter what the gentleman wants to say. I undid his edits and stated that until consensus is gathered on this page that he should revert not continue making any changes. As you probably know I am the major contributor to this page. Blocking me for making edits would be a little rough. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1008:B143:522A:3B89:80BA:6C11:9E6D (talk) 23:01, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

The full protection was put in place so blocks wouldn't be levied. As such, there's no need to block you or anyone else. Hopefully you all can come to a consensus via discussion. --NeilN 23:08, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

But he's refusing to talk to me and seems to be one of those other kinds of vendors unlike you who think that IP editors are beneath them. Plus he has gotten his way and he has no reason to communicate. I would suggest reverting it to how it has been for the last 3 years before his edits and then allowing him to make his case. This might force him to communicate. Otherwise all that's going to happen is he is going to not communicate with me or anyone else on this page and River any changes that are made when the protection ends. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.198.14.226 (talk) 23:15, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

I assume you're talking about JzG. He's one editor. There's also a thread on WP:RSN with multiple editors participating. Convince them your position is correct or work out a compromise and you can probably sway consensus in your favor. --NeilN 23:25, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

our anonymous friend has some talent for projection, it seems. Guy (Help!)

December 2017 Peachtree Corners, GA Copyright

HI NeilN, Under my user talk page, under “December 2017” you sent me the notice: “Your addition to Peachtree Corners, Georgia has been removed, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Misplaced Pages without evidence of permission from the copyright holder. If you are the copyright holder, please read Misplaced Pages:Donating copyrighted materials for more information on uploading your material to Misplaced Pages. For legal reasons, Misplaced Pages cannot accept copyrighted material, including text or images from print publications or from other websites, without an appropriate and verifiable license. All such contributions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of content, such as sentences or images—you must write using your own words. Misplaced Pages takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. NeilN talk to me 04:06, 15 December 2017 (UTC)”

The only words I used were “as well as a film studio.” See, https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Peachtree_Corners,_Georgia&oldid=prev&diff=815488201

I JUST DON’T SEE ANY COPYRIGHT VIOLATION. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE TELL ME EXACTLY WERE THERE WAS A COPYRIGHT VIOLATION SO I DON’T REPEAT IT. THANK YOU User:Quaerens-veritatem (talk) 05:19, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

@Quaerens-veritatem: Check your email please. --NeilN 05:25, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Czechia is not an unconstructive edit

The bold edit in this diff that 2001:14BA:2BE5:EE00:14C4:3CD1:E951:AC3C did switching the name to Czechia was not an unconstructive edit. According to the Misplaced Pages article Name of the Czech Republic, "the Czech Ministries of Foreign Affairs and Education, Youth and Sports recommended the use of the name Czechia". Thinker78 (talk) 22:58, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

@Thinker78: Please read this. --NeilN 23:54, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Unregistered newcomer

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

I noticed that a message you recently left to 2001:14BA:2BE5:EE00:14C4:3CD1:E951:AC3C (talk) may have been unduly harsh. Please remember not to bite the newcomers. Thank you! Thinker78 (talk) 01:42, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

@Thinker78: Edit 1 results in a level 1 test warning. Edit 2 results in a custom message, albeit short. Edit 3+ results in a level 32 disruptive warning. After that the editor stopped editing against policy. With no indication they were willing to communicate, how would you have gotten them to stop? --NeilN 01:48, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Regarding this, please stop trying to apply policies you obviously don't understand. --NeilN 01:55, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Well, at least he signed off with "Cheers!" Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk)

@Shock Brigade Harvester Boris: Except they haven't. I wonder if I can go around changing France to French Republic in articles until evidence is submitted that France is the common name and the no doubt hundreds of editors discuss and come to a decision? --NeilN 02:10, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

That was no test, that was a legitimate bold edit. Own your mistakes! Cheers! Thinker78 (talk) 02:05, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

"If you think a mistake was made, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page." Read the message! --NeilN 02:11, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

The fact that they even left this warning seems vindictive. Especially considering they used said template on an administrator. Just my two cents. Boomer Vial 04:25, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

@Boomer Vial: I actually don't mind being templated if I've messed up somehow. It's the message, not the format, that counts. But in this case I think the message is misguided and the OP doesn't really understand how WP:BRD works. True, it's not a policy or guideline, but in these types of cases not following it is going to be seen as disruptive. Else we'd have people running around doing things like promoting fringe/conspiracy theories and insisting the text be left in articles because the onus is on other editors to provide counter-proof. --NeilN 04:44, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

It's hard to assume good faith when they refuse to read, or understand BRD, then leave this message. It skirts dangerously close to WP:NOTHERE, WP:IDHT, and WP:AXE. Honestly, this kind of behavior is something you would see on pages the draw the ire and attention of conspiracy theorists. Boomer Vial 04:55, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

@Boomer Vial:I'm a firm believer in checks and balances. I am a former union official and I know a little bit about that. I used to have to face supervisors who thought they didn't have to provide explanations just because they were supervisors. And I left a notice not a warning. The use of the test notice/warning on the unregistered editor was unduly harsh and even uncalled for because that didn't seem to be a test, but a legitimate bold edit. The fact that NeilN thought it was a test indicates that they thought that Czechia was not a legitimate word, but it is. Thinker78 (talk) 05:45, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Or, being around here for many, many years, I know that new editors sometimes like to get their feet wet by making a small test edit on an article they think no one looks at. Do you really think I wouldn't have clicked the wikilink to make sure it didn't lead to somewhere inappropriate? And did you not consider why the editor started changing the name on an obscure article instead of something like Prague? --NeilN 06:27, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

You have a point that being somewhere for many years gets you experience and certain vision that others don't have. But unfortunately great experience doesn't translate to perfection. If it was perfection then it would be pointless from me raising an issue. So I have to raise the concern that I have. I remember for example when I was in the fourth grade of elementary school I corrected the math teacher because he was saying that the sands of the seas are infinite, but I said that they were not infinite. Maybe people couldn't count them but that didn't make them infinite, because they were contained in a finite spheroid. After a little debate he admitted to the class that I was right, that the sands of the seas were not infinite. I corrected teachers a few times more while in school. And sometimes I was mistaken. But returning to the present issue, I don't understand what do you mean with the wikilinks, what wikilinks? Regarding the obscurity of the article I think that probably is irrelevant. Anyone can come to any obscure article for a number of reasons. The unregistered editor may be a Czech citizen who supports the name Czechia for all we know. Thinker78 (talk) 07:26, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Great idea. I wonder how the theory of not providing verifiable information in debates would work. So in articles for deletions, page movings, etc. the onus shouldn't be on the editor initiating the process? Yea, let them just move the pages or delete articles without any verifiable information. I thought Misplaced Pages works on consensus? Smh! Thinker78 (talk) 05:52, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Thinker78 I would agree with you, had it been called vandalism instead, and had you not gotten into a disagreement with with Neil. What you're saying about "checks and balances" is clearly bluster to try and excuse your behavior. If it was not bluster, you would take WP:COMMONNAME, which Neil linked you to multiple times, into some sort of consideration. This is where the templating being vindictive comes into play, as you're only did so per the disagreement, whilst completely ignoring COMMONNAME. Your comments regarding "onus" is addressed above. Boomer Vial 05:56, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

@Boomer Vial: Being Neil or not being Neil shouldn't affect your judgment. Editors should be rather impartial whoever it might involve. For your information I did not ignore COMMONNAME, i did what Mr. Neil should have done and used ngram to look for the usage of the two names and looked into reliable sources (he is an administrator so he probably shouldn't bother to provide verifiable information to some editor raising a concern). I concede that Czech Republic is the most common name, that's why I didn't revert the revert. Cheers! Thinker78 (talk) 06:11, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Thinker78 It's not about whether someone is a specific editor/administrator. You did so after rejecting the advice how many times? "he is an administrator so he probably shouldn't bother to provide verifiable information to some editor raising a concern)' The onus is on you, as stated above. So, if per WP:COMMONNAME Neil is correct, why did you bother to template him? You even had the audacity to suggest that an administrator had an WP:OWN issue, being as incorrect as you were. You're not fooling anyone. Having an axe to grind, leaving vindictive and unnecessary warnings, and refusing to get the point is a sure-fire way to be blocked. I'm dropping the axe now. I heed that you do the same, and use this as a reference for how not to engage in future content disputes. Boomer Vial 06:26, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

@Boomer Vial:I put the notice when I first noticed what I thought was an undue harsh test warning posted on the unregistered editor talk page. I checked COMMONNAME afterwards. He said "Being bold is encouraged. Continuing to edit after being told to stop and why is not", so I thought that he should read the WP:OWN article. I have no idea who NeilN is or what is his track record, but it speaks volumes that you say that I have the "audacity" to suggest something about an editor. I can be hold accountable, you can be held accountable, administrators can be held accountable. This doesn't mean I'm accusing someone of something. It simply means we are all accountable. I'm simply lured back to this talk page because you guys kept commenting about the issue, so I felt compelled to reply. And I'm really accustomed to discussions lasting weeks in Misplaced Pages and not just a few hours. I was actually surprised how fast the replies in this discussion came, when normally I have to wait for the next day replies. Raising the issue of blocking sounds kind of in very bad taste. If you think I should be blocked for daring to raise a concern about the actions of an administrator what can I say. I will simply work through the system if the need arises. I'm curious as to what the charges of a block would be. Cheers! Thinker78 (talk) 07:02, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Might keep an eye on ...

Might keep an eye on Age of consent. Brand-new SPA IP going crazy wikilawyering on the talk page after unilaterally deleting half the article. Beginning to sound like perhaps socking or block evasion. Softlavender (talk) 07:19, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Softlavender After reading through the comments on the talk page, these accusations of Wikilawyering and socking are completely baseless, and false. You were completely condescending, from the start. They asked you for a policy which you were basing your revert off of. Why don't you ask User:SchroCat? They seem just as confused by your rollback and ill-advise, the rollback being highly inappropriate, considering the edits of the IP editor was the farthest thing from vandalism. Boomer Vial 21:32, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Seriously, i am a single purpose account and sock now because i boldly removed a list sourced entirely through wikilinks, then get lied to by you, Softlavender, rolled back by you despite it not being obvious vandalism and you cast aspertions about me without supporting it with diffs? Is this seriously the way experienced editors behave. NeilN, you will notice i have not edit warred at all because it is not important to me if there is a table only sourced through other articles or not. I just boldly made an edit for what i thought was the right reason, was challenged and went to the talk... which is how[REDACTED] works i thought. The "wikilawyering" only stemmed from me wanting to understand Softlavenders rationale, which constantly changed and was not truthful as has been pointed out, for example, by a former featured list coordinator. If all of that makes ME the bad guy in this then... just wow... unbelievable. 91.49.73.234 (talk) 00:34, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Maybe, NeilN, you could pull Softlavender to one side and tell him to wind his jeffin neck in. Editor retentiotion is important and I see nothing wrong with what this IP is doing. Cassianto 08:21, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Replied here. --NeilN 02:17, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Could you maybe nudge Softlavender to strike their unsupported aspertions against me on your talk page and on the article talk page as well? Neither of them are true, none of them are in any way supported etc. Glad to see this is getting resolved with yet another person not seeing any merrit in Softlavenders aspertions against me but they still stand. I am being called a sock, a single purpose account and being painted to look like a vandal on the article talk. Totally unacceptable to me to have that left standing. I don't even want an appology, not that i even see Softlavender as being capabable of admitting to have lied to and about me, just that all lies about me are struck. 91.49.90.173 (talk) 14:38, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Oh, and a small note about their (mis)use of rollback would also be apreciated. To claim what i did to be obvious vandalism in light of my talk page edit before and the edit summary is just preposterous. And sorry to be a nag about this but it was just so bizarre and i was so utterly disgusted at some pount during... So i hope my position regarding the striking and rollback are understandable. Have a good day anyway. 91.49.80.251 (talk) 14:48, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

IP, forcing anyone to strike comments is not particularly useful as the editor often adopts "I'll do it because you're an admin but I still think I'm right" mentality. Softlavender, I will say you blew a content dispute out of proportion with unwarranted aspersions and a misuse of rollback. You can take this onboard or not, but a little more WP:AGF during disagreements would probably help. --NeilN 21:17, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Alright then, i will accept that to extend a little good will towards someone who lied to and about me, someonething of which i have received none on their part for a single well meant edit. Have to admit i am a little disappointed in that though. Being called a wikilawyering sock and vandal in a desperate move to "win" an argument, whatever the benefit of that even is on Misplaced Pages, and save face for ones own shabby behaviour is just pathetic. Especialy by someone whose contribrutions show constant moralising at ANI. But whatever, what's done is done, and i will be forever called a wikilawyering sock and vandal on this and the article talk. I may not like it but that is how it is going to be then. Cheers for at least explaining your reasoning. Does not make me content but you are not there to make me happy after all, haha. Sure as he... erm... daylight won't be trying improve or remove quality issues after this experience. Way to attract editors... Sorry for the small rant there but now i feel better. Happy holidays to you and yours anyway. 91.49.80.251 (talk) 22:06, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Theolwrnc

Hello. I blocked Lawrence Theo for being a sock of Theolwrnc; I'm not sure who the sockmaster is since you didn't tag it. Regardless, the accounts have engaged in nothing but self-promotion so a block is warranted. Could you please tag the sock and master? Thanks. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 02:32, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi Magog the Ogre. I don't think there was deliberate socking here - just cluelessness and WP:CIR issues that led to multiple accounts being used. I told Theolwrnc to go back to using Lawrence Theo when I blocked him but if the original account is just continuing the self-promotion then blocking it as well is a good call. --NeilN 03:53, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

An old friend?

Hello Neil, I have been watching the activities of User:149.12.5.60 for a week or so as I suspected it to be User:Jgrantduff. It all seemed fairly constructive but then again old habits die hard . Presuming that my hunch is correct, can you help? (Might also be using User:194.83.249.5 which is trickier) Poltair (talk) 07:36, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi Poltair. I need diffs that show Jgrantduff had the same type of edits. You might want to try engaging the IP to see if the communication styles are the same. --NeilN 13:59, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

hi

--86.176.136.226 (talk) 14:44, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello. --NeilN 14:54, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

I dont know how to add it . Twan Milar (talk) 04:48, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Sock on my talk page

Re — Which account(s) is the sock and who is the sock master? Thanks. --Bob K31416 (talk) 16:47, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

@Bob K31416: Whoever is using proxy servers to avoid WP:SCRUTINY. --NeilN 20:55, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Black Jaguar White Tiger

The page of Black Jaguar White Tiger cannot be deleted, put more references and sections please! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcus Antony (talk • contribs) 03:43, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Replied here. --NeilN 14:05, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

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91.10.5.170/Denniss

Prediction: Denniss will refuse to talk about it, and will be continue to be a nuisance. ---- 91.10.5.170 (talk) 00:09, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year

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A physical threat of violence was added today that needs immediate action towards user 74.73.143.1

@NeilN: A physical threat of violence was added today that needs immediate action towards user 74.73.143.1 for this posting https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Portal:Current_events/2017_December_23&diff=816713279&oldid=816032308 --2600:8800:FF0E:1200:C57:B925:112F:96D (talk) 15:11, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Uh. I saw that earlier, and in the spirit of good citizenship, reported it to emergency; feeling slightly foolish now as it turns out that it (probably) refers to a chap from Spiderman! Even so, it's clearly not a useful edit, being both a hoax and serious BLP vio, so yes, the offending IP should probably should be bollocked. >SerialNumber54129 15:44, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

@Serial Number 54129: No need to feel foolish; I probably would have done the same thing. Thanks 2600, I've revdeleted the edit. --NeilN 15:51, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Season's Greetings

...to you and yours, from the Great White North! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 00:36, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello

I have agree not to touch those pages and since I have not touched them Flamingoflorida (talk) 01:02, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

@Flamingoflorida: I get that. The note was intended as a reminder for you to stick to your agreement in the future. --NeilN 01:07, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

I have my word of honor not to I won’t but can you please talk to nick motes a rhadow about there personal remarks about my family implies that they are rotten because they are wealthy that is bias against any edit I do in the future — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flamingoflorida (talk • contribs) 01:09, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Of course, if you have a particular question on how to undertake a specific technical task, I or my fellow editors at the Teahouse will be happy to point you to the right guidelines or instructions for you to follow and act on. However, I'm not prepared to be at your beck and call to hone up a load of articles to meet your personal interests. So don't even think about leaving me loads of waffle about what minor changes you want making to another Reconati-related article so as to polish up your wealthy family's image here on Misplaced Pages. It pains me to sound so unhelpful and blunt to any editor, but you've disgraced yourself enough in that respect for me not to want to assist you in anything other than technical editing matters. I trust this is clear. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:41, 24 December 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flamingoflorida (talk • contribs)

Read my talk page at Hello for a laugh. What a family. Daddio gets nicked for a stock swindle. Never-do-well son gives $30 million to NYU, takes the credit in the WSJ, then reneges on the gift. Now the granddaughter (my guess) sits in Florida arguing. Sheesh. (Delete after reading). Rhadow (talk) 22:40, 23 Flamingoflorida (talk) 01:12, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

@Flamingoflorida: Rhadow's comment was uncalled for but I completely understand why multiple editors are fed up with you. You were told a couple days ago how you should edit having a COI. You ignored that and did things like this. It's only after you've been hauled to ANI that you actually might start following our guidelines. --NeilN 01:24, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

I kept asking for help I blanked that article after they said everything needs sources I was confused Is there a Misplaced Pages guideline in discussing money and wealth of private individuals and family’s not to make it biased against them Flamingoflorida (talk) 01:28, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

This is an encyclopedia, not a country club. WP:BLP applies to everyone. --NeilN 03:46, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

Happy Holidays

From Stave one of Dickens A Christmas Carol Old Marley was as dead as a door-nail. Mind! I don’t mean to say that I know, of my own knowledge, what there is particularly dead about a door-nail. I might have been inclined, myself, to regard a coffin-nail as the deadest piece of ironmongery in the trade. But the wisdom of our ancestors is in the simile; and my unhallowed hands shall not disturb it, or the Country’s done for. You will therefore permit me to repeat, emphatically, that Marley was as dead as a door-nail. So you see even Charles was looking for a reliable source :-) Thank you for your contributions to the 'pedia. ~ MarnetteD|Talk 03:50, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Blocked those IPs

Thank You. SA 13 Bro (talk) 05:41, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

@SA 13 Bro: You're welcome. I have a feeling they'll be back though. --NeilN 05:43, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Udayar Caste

Please see the below reference. All form reliable source. May i know the reason for removing the details from the page. Please revert or add the below content.

Indian Anthropologist, Volume 2, Issue 1 Page 1

Udayar (UDaiyaar) caste, which is found primarily in the salem, North Arcot, South Arcot and Trichy Districts of Tamil Nadu. Udayars are high caste, typically landowners.

https://books.google.co.in/books?id=0pTXAAAAMAAJ&q=udayar+sub+caste&dq=udayar+sub+caste&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwignYT__6HYAhVMso8KHWr1BggQ6AEIPTAE They played an important role in village political affairs. All of them belonged to the Nattamar subcaste, as did all persons calling themselves Udayar in the villages of Kadayampatti and Nachanampatti, each at a distance of less than one mile from Nadupatti.*14 These Udayars claimed that there were three divisions: Nattamar (Nattamaar), Maiai- mar (Malaimaar, or sometimes Malaiyamaar), and Sudarmar (Sudarmaar, or sometimes Surudiyamaar)

https://books.google.co.in/books?id=gsMhKQEACAAJ&dq=udayar+sub+caste&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiqwaWT_6HYAhXCO48KHRz_AA44FBDoAQhZMAk

Nathamar is one sub caste of Parkavakulam community of Tamil Nadu, India. The others are Moopanar, Nainar, Malayamar and Shruthimar. Nathamars traditionally engaged in Agriculture. Most of the Nathamars followed Shaivism and the reminder followed Vaishnavism. Christians can be also found. They are the people of the chola dynasty and cholas were now called as udayars mentioning the whole as parkavakulam community. King Rajaraja Cholan was called as Periya Udayar. - Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Archescientist (talk • contribs) 06:29, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

@ArcArchescientist: There's no need to post this here. I'm not involved in this content dispute. --NeilN 06:33, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Seems the page has been protected by you. At least revert to editable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Archescientist (talk • contribs) 07:24, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Archescientist, you need to continue discussion at the article talk page. NeilN is acting as a neutral administrator and won't get involved in the dispute because that would affect their neutrality. Please note the information at WP:WRONGVERSION. - Sitush (talk) 08:59, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

@Archescientist: The article was fully protected so that editors would work out a consensus on the talk page instead of just reverting each other. --NeilN 14:41, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

3Aum3

Hi, I'm still having problems with 3Aum3 (talk · contribs) at Chakkala Nair. They're new and I'm sure that they mean well but they're intent on pushing a caste status agenda without discussion. - Sitush (talk) 08:58, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

They're talking now, thankfully. Their last dodgy changes remain in the article but I'll have to leave them for now otherwise I'll get into trouble myself. - Sitush (talk) 09:36, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

@Sitush: I've indeffed them until they actually read and understand our copyright policy (they re-uploaded the copyvio here). --NeilN 14:38, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

OK, thanks. I've just stumbled across an article they were editing last month and it looks from the history there that there may have been previous uploads of copyrighted images, since deleted. They also moved the article to a non-compliant title and filled it with rubbish. Although I've tried to fix that, I think the title that they moved it to could probably be deleted - Vaniya and Vaniyyan are likely valid redirects but Vaniyan(Vaniya Nair) doesn't seem at all likely to me. - Sitush (talk) 16:51, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for sorting it out. - Sitush (talk) 18:07, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

HatsTuthDude

user:HatsTuthDude is making death threats on his talkpage. 2602:306:3357:BA0:1121:C46D:71DC:CA64 (talk) 16:44, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Talk page access revoked, edits revdeleted. Thanks for reporting. --NeilN 16:49, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

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Thank You

Thank you for your help moving the Conservative voice page to Conservative Voice as well as in-page edits which helped to improve it!

Much appreciated, and thank you for your valuable contribution to Misplaced Pages — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thepoliticsexpert (talk • contribs) 18:21, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

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Merry Christmas

A blessed feast to you and yours. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:24, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Sysop Protect

Hi, Neil-N, while the sysop-protection at Udayar (caste) managed to cool-down the edit-warring (or more precisely countering quai-vandalistic removal of valid sourced info), you are also putting off simultaneous prospects of good-faith-editing by numerous other experienced users at the sole cost of a POV pusher with all-together 21 edits! I also feel that WP:ECP (per this rough guide) as a DS would be much more suitable. And by the way, wishing you a Merry Christmas and a pleasant 2018:)Winged Blades 16:26, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

@Winged Blades of Godric: The full protection is for two weeks, the editor is using the talk page, there were no edits for almost a month prior to the edit war, and I don't see any proposals for improvements on the talk page from the "other side". Is there anything massively wrong that has to be corrected right away and where using an edit request would not be feasible? --NeilN 20:14, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Nope, I have a habit of fly-by copy-editing et al, adding some sources but nothing definite/urgent to necessitate an ER.In general, I am against the use of sysop-protect, esp. for more than three-four days, unless both the warring users are highly established (i.e. where blocks would lead to more heightened wikidrama) or there are multiple parrties onn both the sides.Winged Blades 13:01, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

User talk:2601:188:180:11F0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63

What's going on with the message at the top of User talk:2601:188:180:11F0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63? It seems like the rare stable IPv6, but I don't understand the background for your message and/or the big box, which together seem to say WP:DTTR. Nyttend (talk) 18:49, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi Nyttend. I think DTTR warns against templating when the template placer is looking for a quick way out instead of properly addressing the situation with a custom worded message. In the IP's case, sloppy recent change patrollers (both new and experienced) really do think the IP is committing vandalism or other disruption because all they see is an IP address and don't look carefully enough at the edit and edit summary. This happened often enough at the editor's previous IP's talk page (which they had for over a year if I recall correctly) that I added a message. My hope was not to stop the incorrect reverts, but to wave a flag in front of the reverter's face and get them to check what they actually reverted and in most cases, self-revert. If they do template, in many cases it's a less-experienced editor who (after checking their other edits) often need pointers to WP:AGF, WP:BITE, and what vandalism actually is. --NeilN 20:33, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

That makes sense. It seemed like you were saying "you'll get in trouble if you do this", which is why I was confused, but I completely understand "if you're careless enough to do this, your other edits need to be checked too". Nyttend (talk) 20:50, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

@Nyttend: If you have any tweaks to the two messages to make that more clear, I'll be happy to hear them. I didn't want to get too wordy as many editors just skip over blocks of text. --NeilN 20:55, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

No, I have no suggestions. Probably your wording is superior to any fuller explanation, since it gets the point across ("WP:DTTR") succinctly, and the only people who will be confused are those who pay attention and won't TTR regardless of what you're talking about :-) Plus, if you say "if you're careless enough to TTR, we'll have to look at your other edits" might attract complaints about people who say that you're calling them careless; this way, you avoid any such complaints. Nyttend (talk) 02:20, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

@Nyttend: You can't make this stuff up. Sigh. --NeilN 03:44, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

For my part, I've never thought it would do much to discourage unjustified warnings, but have always appreciated the sentiment just the same. And I can't even remember where that last long term IP was. Thank you, NeilN. 2601:188:180:11F0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 03:48, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

One of the articles involved in that situation, Jerry DeCaire, I've just nominated for deletion. Please offer opinions, both of you, if you have some free time. Nyttend (talk) 04:49, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Done. I do think that the Lambiek website is generally a decent source, but agree that there's not a lot to be found. 2601:188:180:11F0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 04:53, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Talk:People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals

My mistake, you were right. Should have read that restored content more carefully. Thanks, The Mighty Glen (talk) 18:08, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Jesus

Hey, wanted to apologize really quick about the editing on the Jesus page, I had my source and ran to go check something in my house before uploading, and I forgot! really sorry about that! — Preceding unsigned comment added by The American Gamer (talk • contribs) 02:43, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Uh-huh. I've recommended your unblock be revisited. --NeilN 02:47, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Reporting bad user activity on Icelandic Misplaced Pages

Hi NeilN, I was trying to report a bad user activity on the Icelandic Misplaced Pages (is.wikipedia.org) and was under the impression https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring was a universal page to do so. After some searching, I cannot find a similar page on the Icelandic version. Any hints? 46.182.190.168 (talk) 13:00, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I don't know Icelandic at all nor do I recognize anyone on this list. You may want to go through it, find an editor who's active, and ask them. --NeilN 14:28, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

December 2017

You're asking why apology to a talk page of ScrapIron, It was about this and this. CK (talk) 17:32, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

@Broken nutshell: Thank you for clarifying. I'd advise against telling another editor to "please leave the topic" if you are in a content dispute with them as that could be seen as harassment. --NeilN 17:37, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Analyzing genres

You might want to take a look at Talk:Sade (band) to see whether I am following protocol.
–Vmavanti (talk) 18:26, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

anyone fancy a curry?! ;)

per WP:OWNTALK user talk pages should be used in a constructive way to build the encyclopedia not as a chat room, how does that edit contribute to the project? Shellwood (talk) 18:46, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Come on Shellwood, you're an experienced editor. You know there's always a bit of non-project related chatting going around, especially around any holidays. --NeilN 18:56, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks...

...for closing the Hullabaloo Wolfowitz thread. I was just heading there to ask for closure, as we clearly weren't going to see a consensus, when I saw you had closed it, with a summary that I thought was appropriate. Well done. Best, Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:06, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

You're welcome, Beyond My Ken. Appreciate hearing this. --NeilN 00:24, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Problem account

Hi Neil, this account seems like it is doing large-scale disruption. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 03:57, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

@Kautilya3: I see a lot of category work but what is disruptive? A warning for unsourced edits to geographical category pages is a new one for me. --NeilN 04:03, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

I reverted his edits Category:Jammu which were all POV. There are a whole bunch of new categories created like Symbols of Kashmiristan (sic), and other "symbols" which are probably just trashy overhead. And, the fact that these things are being created at high speed is a problem. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 04:10, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

@Kautilya3: They've stopped for now it seems. Can you please add your concerns to the section I started on their talk page? --NeilN 04:16, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

HNY

Happy New Year! Best wishes for 2018, —PaleoNeonate – 13:53, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Kavli Prize

Is is possible to either protect Kavli Prize or do a range block on the vandal's dynamic IP addresses? 2602:306:3357:BA0:118:B2E3:C8D9:41C6 (talk) 18:32, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

It's a huge range but there's a lot of vandalism coming from it. Blocked for two weeks and I will ask about getting an edit filter set up. --NeilN 18:39, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Forget the filter. There's at least five hundred unconstructive edits and little else from that range stretching back for months. Block extended to three months. --NeilN 18:49, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

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NeilN,
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@Boomer Vial: Oh, so that's how it is? There's no need to stick it in my face that he's your favorite. Sniff, sniff. --NeilN 02:26, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Oi, vey. If only I have noticed all the errors on the first pass. Sorry, Neil. :p Boomer Vial 03:57, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

—PaleoNeonate – 06:39, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Gee, this is ________ (fill in the blank).

I corrected all of my mistakes which were cited. I assumed that's all there was to it. Although I noticed that that was not the case: that Chetvorno was holding back - withholding other complaints for later? Perhaps? But, now, it appears that that was just a ruse to possibly see if I would become dismayed and give up. I didn't. I eliminated all of the errors which he cited and felt (apparently incorrectly) that the matter was settled. Now a redirect exists which effectively wipes out all discussion since the talk page has also been wiped out. I must have been too hasty? Perhaps I didn't wait long enough for a response to occur? What now? This is weird. I put in a lot of effort to comply. Kbrose doesn't want to discuss this anymore. He's fed up with the discussion even after I eliminated all of the citations and text to which Chetvorno objected. As if to imply: "How come I didn't just be lazy and do the lazy action of hitting my delete key to remove everything?" Certainly not a concise removal.... Vinyasi (talk) 18:54, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Re Inductor (shielded): The redirection of the Talk page was a mistake by Kbrose during the merger and has now been corrected. The problems with the article, detailed on the Talk page, remained after Vinyasi made his recent corrections . The main problem is that there is no such electrical component as an inductor made with shielded wire, the subject of this article. This appears to be a piece of original research by Vinyasi, who created the article to insert it into Misplaced Pages. None of the sources refer to it, the article is unsourced. Kbrose, with my support, merely merged the article into Inductor, where there is a properly sourced discussion of shielded inductors. --Chetvorno 23:43, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

@Vinyasi and Chetvorno: I'm not sure why the Inductor article can't be expanded with material that comes from sources like this. --NeilN 04:52, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

@NeilN: A fair assessment.Vinyasi (talk) 04:58, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Absolutely. I, and I believe Kbrose, are just concerned about Vinyasi's original research, and lack of relevant sources, and a little about his opaque writing style. If the section is limited to the types of shielded inductor that actually appear in books like yours, properly sourced, and understandably written, I have no complaint. --Chetvorno 18:07, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

ConTenFir

An It'sLassieTime sock? Will you remove his spurious entry at WP:DRN? I would but as I'm named as a party WP:INVOLVED probably precludes me. Nthep (talk) 17:46, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

@Nthep: Done. --NeilN 17:49, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Happy New Year 2018!

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Xenia Ohio page

All Edits @Alexandria1749 makes are correct as the editor lives there. All reverse edits are incorrect and problematic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexandria1749 (talk • contribs) 20:17, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

@Alexandria1749: Obviously not as multiple editors have issues with the term you're using. --NeilN 20:31, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

@NeilN: Not those edits, but other edits. ...and that sounds like a personal problem.

Dean Dunham

What is the problem with this please?

" In February 2009 Dunham and Jean-Christophe Novelli opened a restaurant in Northampton. The company went into liquidation in September of the following year. " — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.132.130.243 (talk) 20:40, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

References

1. https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/05044033/filing-history

Use the article's talk page to engage with Eggishorn, please. Their edit summary referred to WP:BLPPRIMARY. --NeilN 20:47, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	For near-instantaneous reaction to BLP violations. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 21:31, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Ashley Judd

I have seen hundreds of Ashley Judd photos, and the one chosen for Ashley Judd's page is easily one of the worst. It is near libelous in how awful she looks. If my photo does not meet your standards, you need to find an attractive one that does. Why do non-political Hollywood stars have attractive photos, yet Ashley's has the ugliest anywhere? There aren't Misplaced Pages photogs running around everywhere snapping their pictures. The other celebrities listed get their photos from the same place I did. At some point, I'll have a picture of her taken with my own camera. Until then, why does Ashley have the ugliest photo in all of Misplaced Pages? OtherLetter (talk) 00:37, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello OtherLetter. First it is not "your photo". You copied it from the web and that's a copyright violation. Second, the existing photo is not that bad - you need to stop with the hyperbole. Third, we are limited to using photos that have free-use licenses. Perhaps you can crop this one to a headshot and get that accepted as a replacement. --NeilN 00:46, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)Honestly, that one could be used without further cropping. And she looks quite good in the existing one, IMHO. To say that a photograph can be "libelous" -let alone that photograph- is one of the most hyperbolic things I've read in some time. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 00:49, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

@OtherLetter: I've done the work and uploaded a cropped, properly licensed photo to File:Ashley Judd ioc cropped headshot.jpg. Feel free to propose it as a replacement. --NeilN 01:10, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

That one is much better, I'll try to post it. The only problem there is that it was taken nine years ago. OtherLetter (talk) 01:49, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Page protection

Hi, could you rollback the protection for Munthirivallikal Thalirkkumbol back to autoconfirmed. You override the protection by Yaris678. The page is currently under persistent vandalism by an editor, PC will not be useful in restricting it. The vandal repeats and we need to keep reverting it. Please rethink. Let There Be Sunshine (talk) 10:45, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

@Let There Be Sunshine: I put in a short semi before the PC but Yaris was there first so I've reverted to his protection. --NeilN 10:49, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. Let There Be Sunshine (talk) 10:52, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Conversing on Misplaced Pages

Hi Neil,

I don't know how to do this. It isn't clear how to.

I really don't appreciate the aggression from Ritchie333. Please ask him to wind it in or I'll make an official complaint.

All best,

E. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tedster007 (talk • contribs) 16:20, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

@Tedster007: Okay, because I pinged you, you should see a little red box at the top of your screen with a number in it. Clicking on it will tell you who mentioned you and where. Clicking on those links will take you to that place. Now, each article has a talk page just like you have your own user talk page. In this case it's Talk:Liverpool Street station. If you scroll all the way down you'll see that Ritchie333 has posted a comment there. You need to post a reply there like you posted here. Please keep it polite and focused on content and sources. Hope this helps. --NeilN 16:33, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

NLT warning re User talk:Sarah.Englebert.Finalsite

I assume your warning refers to this edit summary, but I'm not sure this qualifies as a legal threat. WP:NLT says that "a discussion as to whether material is libelous is not a legal threat." I'm curious what your thoughts are on this. In particular, I don't want to bite this user too much; they've already been prematurely reported to WP:COIN. --Chris (talk) 18:56, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

@Crazycomputers: I agree with you and that's why I warned instead of outright blocked. Hopefully the editor gets the message and stays away from more problematic statements (e.g., "the school regards this as slander and will take appropriate action") because that would result in a block. --NeilN 19:03, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Right, gotcha. Makes sense. --Chris (talk) 19:09, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Explanation

Regarding your question on my talk page about my edit to KSHMR. I have explained why there. But idk how to pin people lol Amy wamey (talk) 21:39, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Sock puppet of Chernobog95

Hey, it seems that Chernobog95 maybe trying to avoid a 2 month block that you placed on them recently for edit-warring if you remember . It seems that they are using the local IP 188.129.26.144 to make edits on various articles relating to North Korea while evading the block, this is evidenced by the fact that the IP is editing several of the pages Chernobog95 recently edited and is using non-native English on several of those edits and has responded with hostility to users that have undid his/her edits for legitimate reasons. Isn’t sock-puppetry against site policy? And if so could you do something about it? SamaranEmerald (talk) 22:06, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

@SamaranEmerald: I've looked but it would help me out if you provided diffs showing similarities between the two accounts. --NeilN 22:21, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

@NeilN here you go:

• The IP edited at least two pages that Chernobog95 had recently edited before being blocked: Kwangmyŏngsŏng-4, and Comparison of ICBMs.

• On December 24, 2017, Chernobog95 added a statistic (72,000 kg.) to Comparison of ICBMs with the following source , little over a week later, the IP made a similar edit providing a statistic within the same column category and providing a source from the same site . I checked both sources, and neither of them note the statistic that both Chernobog and the IP provided.

In addition, the IP has also shown hostility towards users that undo his/her edits, in their revision history, they do not use the said articles' talk pages and instead revert edits and use the edit summary box to attack users ; this is something Chernobog95 had a tendency to do on the page they edit-warred on prior to being blocked , , , .

• Chernobog95 has a tendency to use non-native english, as evidenced by several of his/her past edits , . The said IP has also shared this trait of non-native english on several recent edits and edit summaries as well. , , , . SamaranEmerald (talk) 23:51, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

@SamaranEmerald: All right, there's enough that I see here that convinces me socking is likely. Appropriate blocks done. I should note that Chernobog95 72,000 kg statistic looks sourced to me as this says the rocket has a takeoff weight of 72t. But maybe I'm reading the source wrong. --NeilN 00:04, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

References

1. http://www.b14643.de/Spacerockets/Specials/Hwasong-15/index.htm
2. http://www.b14643.de/Spacerockets/Specials/Hwasong-14/index.htm

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Royal Rumble (2018)

Can you add to the royal rumble 2018 page , aj styles will defend his title against kevin ownes and sami zayn in a handicap match . Twan Milar (talk) 04:24, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

@Twan Milar: Protection will expire in six hours. You can add it then. --NeilN 04:46, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Transgender fact!

Who called you on this? As I asked an independent person if they wanted to fix the transgender article, is that how you became involved?

So whats the situation will the transgender article be updated to include the fact "transgender people do have higher rates of mental disorders/illness" ? As the page been locked down to stop this fact! Can you make the article better by including the fact? "Transgender people have higher rates of mental illness"

Or is it politically correct time and not fact time?

How about talking to https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Jim1138 Who finally admitted "Transgender people have higher rates of mental illness" is a fact, after many false accusations against me of what I said, which I dont believe where deliberate straw mans, but rather not reading what I said and just making wild jumps. --ArnoldHimmler (talk) 11:38, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

To create or not to create. Is that the question?

My intent is not to disrupt but quantify. You need to explain to me what the problem is since I assume that Misplaced Pages was editable for things such as incorrect information being listed on the articles. Creationism as far as I know as a myth or a pseudoscience is unproven in either direction. The passages I erased in the Creationism article make concrete statements that Creationism is pseudoscience or myth et al. Such statements should not be taken as absolute fact in the article and should not be in the article without factual support. So, is deleting something that is just someone else's opinion in the first place on any subject (and neither proven nor disproven) thus could be called "just a theory", wholly considered fact and defacto grounds for dismissal of a new member?? Neil, threatening me with cancellation of my account and referring me to the Wikipolicy is the easy way out. I have serious questions now that you seem to have interjected your ideals, for whatever reason, into what should have been a "cut and dried" issue. For example: What about the original person who put their "opinion" on a subject article (like I attempted to edit) and considers their opinion as fact on that subject in first place? IE: Who wrote it originally and was it truly factual? And do you personally agree with the erroneous statements I deleted and you reverted back to? Since you "reverted" it I assume you agree with them~I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth but I am curious: Are Administrators required to be impartial or keep the status quo? I believe I was told Admistrators are paid money by amount of "corrections" they make, so is that truly the case? I'm not into playing games if this is how Misplaced Pages really works. I have also been warned that articles on this site are not very reliable or factual. As an Administrator I would assume you would want members to correct such errors and help make the articles better! How is deleting incorrect descriptive passages "disruptive"? According to your profile you have been an Administrator for over 12 years; most people will not work for free for that long, so I assume you are being compensated for your time. Good for you, as a man's time is worth something. Most of the time anyway. So, again why and how is deleting incorrect information in an article "disruptive"? I should think I would be thanked for taking time to correct erroneous information in an article rather than be excoriated. Unless there is a wholy different reason for the "reversion". I'm being serious on this. I'm not joking or pulling your leg or trying to waste your time. I'm also not trying to take money out of anyone's pocket or put it in their pocket. I would like the answers to all these questions if you have the wherewithal (and failing that point me to a Supervisor above you who can answer). So, if you would be so kind as to actually explain and answer my questions I would be most appreciative. I don't see any rule in the policy that states unproven or incorrect/erroneous information with no proof or references get to stay on this site. In fact, it seems just the opposite is true by reading the Misplaced Pages policy. An answer to my questions would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Scemantics (talk) 13:59, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

@Scemantics: "Creationism as far as I know as a myth or a pseudoscience is unproven in either direction." - Not among the relevant scientific disciplines where it is regarded as a purely religious belief with no basis in science, despite the claims of its proponents (look at the sources). Religious figures and "scientists" who get their degrees from Patriot Bible University are far outside the mainstream scientific view which leads us to WP:ASSERT: "When a statement is a fact (e.g. information that is accepted as true and about which there is no serious dispute), it should be asserted using Misplaced Pages's own voice without in-text attribution." To get the change you wanted, you'll have to show that creation science is taken seriously as a scientific theory among accredited scientists working in that field.

Now as to your edits: You falsely claimed you were fixing a typo here when you were actually removing content, sources, and the term you object to. Here you broke a template while again claiming you were fixing a typo. This is disruptive editing.

As to your other questions, I've been an editor here for twelve years, an admin for two and a half. No editor or admin is paid for their time and efforts by the foundation that runs Misplaced Pages. We're here because we believe providing an encyclopedia based on mainstream facts and science for free to the world is a very worthwhile thing to do. As for the reliability of Misplaced Pages, Reliability of Misplaced Pages is a worthwhile read. My own point of view is that people who warn about the reliability of Misplaced Pages and have familiarity with it mainly fall into two camps. 1) The ones who very properly say "trust but verify". That is, check what you're reading is accurate by also reading the sources. 2) The one who dismiss Misplaced Pages because it clashes with their worldview or are actively trying to promote/peddle/follow the multiple forms of pseudoscience out there as science. You're never going to get the Answers in Genesis people or the anti-vaxxers to say Misplaced Pages is a reliable source. --NeilN 14:55, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Since the article didn't say that Creationism is a pseudoscience anyway, why is User:Scemantics claiming that it did? The text he changed mentioned Creation science, not Creationism, and why they think it's a sociological movement is beyond me, its proponents clearly claim they are scientists. Of course you have Admins have no supervisors. And the only ones who can remove their powers are the Arbitration Committee - hm, does that make me some sort of supervisor over you? Nah. Doug Weller talk 15:45, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Meaning, NeilN, get back to your oar, galley slave!  ;) >SerialNumber54129 15:54, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

@Serial Number 54129: Yessir. Will do sir. I closed five WP:ANEW cases and blocked a few vandals, sir. Is that enough for a bit o' gruel, sir? --NeilN 17:30, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Startabrahao

Any objection to me tagging Startabrahao as a suspected sockpuppet of ArthurRebelnatico? To me, it's a rather clear WP:DUCK since Startabrahao did what ArthurRebelnatico always does: Creates an account, waits 10 days, performs a small edit on an article, reverts their edits until they get 10 edits, then immediately edits Sophia Abrahão. (See Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/ArthurRebelnatico.) Steel1943 (talk) 19:55, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

@Steel1943: No, go ahead. I came to the same conclusion after I blocked and then looked into the article history a bit more. Decided it wasn't worth it to change the block reason. --NeilN 19:59, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Exiled

As is the case with all but vandalism related reverts I might do on politics articles I stumble on during RC patrol, I make nearly zero edits to political articles so I will avoid defending others with an such zeal in the future. I already self imposed an exile at AE in my last comment there....and apologized for my outburst. I am not delusional and it would not be delusional to say that AE is being misused by some to silence their editing opponents. I almost never bring anyone to AE as I greatly prefer a strong argument with someone I disagree with than lose the chance to find out that the result of the argument was that my position was wrong and the article in question is made better from my admitted incorrectness. I comment here as I have self exiled from AE.--MONGO 21:28, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

@MONGO: So how about a six month topic ban on talking about American Politics? You could still do your RC patrol and make uncontentious edits that don't require discussion. I'm trying to come up with something other admins would accept. --NeilN 21:33, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

That nullifies what hoped would be an objective discussion opened at Jimbo's page...so I suppose if you close that so be it. It is a discussion we need to have as a website because we all have to figure out a way to make political articles as fine as let's say an article on a Park or Flower might be. I recognize that won't happen if I come in with guns blazing sometimes, but my fault is I was trying to defend my long time ally who was one of our best editors defending the website against conspiracy theorists and related areas in the years not long after 9/11. While I wouldn't expect you or others to know the details of that struggle, I surely do. I just don't like the noticeboards being used to shut people up.--MONGO 21:48, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

MONGO There's other suggestions so I won't close the AE request unilaterally. I will make the recommendation though as it's less harsh than what is on the table now and more appropriate to resolving the situation. --NeilN 21:53, 4 January 2018 (UTC)