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10 tons of organic tomatoes in the basement

WP:NOTFORUM —Dr. Fleischman (talk) 03:29, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
Re the James Alefantis statement from http://www.metroweekly.com/2015/04/from-scratch-james-alefantis/ Like our sauce — we harvest a whole crop of organic tomatoes — 10 tons of tomatoes every year. Can them all, store them in the basement, have like a harvest party when it gets loaded in. Does anyone know if Alefantis later clarified which building's basement he was talking about in this interview with Doug Rule? Was it a farmhouse / fruit cellar / warehouse associated with Comic Ping Pong which then delivered to them? I've seen this linked up with the "We don't even have a basement" statement from 2016 as if to disprove it but he never actually specifies which building's basement so it seems plausible it could have simply been another location owned by CPP for storing its ingredients? ScratchMarshall (talk) 03:20, 21 February 2018 (UTC) This is not the place to discuss such matters. We’re here to write an encyclopedia article, not to traffic in conspiracy theories. I suggest you try reddit or 4chan instead. —Dr. Fleischman (talk) 03:29, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

WP:NOTFORUM —Dr. Fleischman (talk) 03:29, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Re the James Alefantis statement from http://www.metroweekly.com/2015/04/from-scratch-james-alefantis/

Like our sauce — we harvest a whole crop of organic tomatoes — 10 tons of tomatoes every year.

Can them all, store them in the basement, have like a harvest party when it gets loaded in.

Does anyone know if Alefantis later clarified which building's basement he was talking about in this interview with Doug Rule? Was it a farmhouse / fruit cellar / warehouse associated with Comic Ping Pong which then delivered to them? I've seen this linked up with the "We don't even have a basement" statement from 2016 as if to disprove it but he never actually specifies which building's basement so it seems plausible it could have simply been another location owned by CPP for storing its ingredients? ScratchMarshall (talk) 03:20, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

This is not the place to discuss such matters. We’re here to write an encyclopedia article, not to traffic in conspiracy theories. I suggest you try reddit or 4chan instead. —Dr. Fleischman (talk) 03:29, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

They are not storing 10 tons of tomatoes. But cooked and jarred pizza sauce. However, many jars 10 tons would get you once it is cooked down. This storage space is the basement of Alefanti's other restaurant Buck's Hunting and Fishing.

Semi-protected edit request on 8 March 2018

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Hi.

I came to this page while trying to research who Brittany Pettibone is.

Under the sub-heading 'Spread on Social Media' this Misplaced Pages page currently states: '...and has been promoted by alt-right activists such as Mike Cernovich, Brittany Pettibone, and Jack Posobiec.'

Only the BBC article refers to the "alt-right", and a close reading of both articles makes it hard to justify that each of the three persons named promoted the conspiracy theory.

(i) Jack Posobiec is only said to have investigated the conspiracy theory after the 2016 election - and that he found nothing to support them.

(ii) Brittany Pettibone is quoted in tweets referring specifically to Tony Podesta's personal art collection (which is not referred to within this Misplaced Pages page), saying that the truth will be "brought to light" by "citizen investigation" and praising Jack Posobiec for investigating the conspiracy theory - even though, according to the WashPo article cited, he found nothing.

(iii) Mike Cernovich has a sole tweet quoted, stating that the "story will be huge!" and linking to reddit.

Whilst I accept that it is possible that each of the three people named may have "promoted" the specific conspiracy theory detailed within this Misplaced Pages page, I would suggest that the only one against whom a case could be made from the two cited articles is Mike Cernovich, as he is shown to have linked to the relevant reddit. (Calling for an investigation and/or investigating are not of themselves the same as promoting - regardless of one's view of the politics of the individuals concerned.)

I would therefore suggest that the names of Brittany Pettibone and Jack Posobiec are either removed from that sentence, or that the allegations against them are supplemented by additional citations (if any are available) that specifically address the allegations made on this Misplaced Pages page. 51.6.176.173 (talk) 13:31, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Bullshit, the Washington Post extensively covers Posobiec's statements that "Any story that accused Clinton, John Podesta and Brock of nefarious deeds deserved some investigation" and his subsequent amateur "undercover video" visit to the restaurant. Pettibone tweeted that "the truth being brought to light is inevitable, cited to the BBC. Your assertions are straight-up fraudulent. TheValeyard (talk) 13:48, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

I started putting together an intelligent response before realizing that this request is so braindead wrong that I agree it should be labeled as complete bullshit. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 18:08, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Wired article

Nice job. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 00:22, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

..."44 million entries" ...Somehow I don't think my user talk archives are really part of "a priceless resource". Somebody didn't pay attention on their math. GMG 21:46, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

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Remove incorrect reference to "SubjectPolitics."

In the "Pizzagate Conspiracy Theory" Misplaced Pages page, there is an incorrect reference to the political blog SubjectPolitics.com, that should be taken out.

Under the sub-heading "Genesis," this page currently states "Adl-Tabatabai's story was then spread by and elaborated on by other fake news websites, including SubjectPolitics, which falsely claimed the New York Police Department had raided Hillary Clinton's property."

The Buzzfeed article cited doesn't say SubjectPolitics "elaborated on" Adl-Tabatabai's story. Buzzfeed explicitly states that SubjectPolitics made an unrelated claim.

Buzzfeed says SubjectPolitics ran a misleading headline about Hillary's "property" being "raided," but clarifies that the SubjectPolitics post was referring to was Hillary's "Property" in the form of her emails on Anthony Weiner's laptop that was seized by the FBI.

Here is the Buzzfeed Excerpt:

'While many sites simply repeated the details from Adl-Tabatabai, others introduced new, baseless claims. SubjectPolitics.com ran a story with the headline "IT’S OVER: NYPD Just Raided Hillary’s Property! What They Found Will RUIN HER LIFE." Er no, the NYPD did *not* raid property belonging to Hillary Clinton.'

'...(The story itself goes on to say that the "property" in question was any emails to or from Clinton that were on Weiner's laptop.)'

So Buzzfeed makes no claim that SubjectPolitics "spread" or "elaborated on" the Pizzagate Conspiracy Theory or Adl-Tabatabai's story, as this[REDACTED] page claims.

Also, this Misplaced Pages page refers to SubjectPolitics as a "fake news website" when they're typically classified as a right-wing partisan (or hyper-partisan) blog.

Media Bias/Fact Check rates SubjectPolitics as an extremely biased, and questionable source, but does not consider the site a "fake news" site.

Please change:

"The theory was then posted on the message board Godlike Productions. The following day, the story was repeated on YourNewsWire citing a 4chan post from earlier that year. Adl-Tabatabai's story was then spread by and elaborated on by other fake news websites, including SubjectPolitics, which falsely claimed the New York Police Department had raided Hillary Clinton's property. The website Conservative Daily Post ran a headline falsely stating that the Federal Bureau of Investigation had confirmed that story."

"The theory was then posted on the message board Godlike Productions. The following day, the story was repeated on YourNewsWire citing a 4chan post from earlier that year. The website Conservative Daily Post ran a headline falsely stating that the Federal Bureau of Investigation had confirmed that story."

Gwilson20 (talk) 06:02, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Partly done I agree that some of this content wasn't supported by the source, so I removed it accordingly. However SubjectPolitics.com did in fact spread and elaborate on Adl-Tabatabai's story. See for yourself, here's an archive of the SubjectPolitics.com story. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 06:25, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

origins of phrase "cheese pizza"

Suggestion is to remove this sentence and replace it a more authoritative source

Old Sentence For example, The New York Times reported that the phrase "cheese pizza" was thought by a poster to 4chan to be a code word for child pornography since they had the same initials.

New Sentence

The term "CP" had long been in use on boards like 4chan to refer to Child Pornography. Users would request that other users "Post CP." Later users began to parody this, by posting pictures of other different CP's like Captain Picard or Cheese Pizza. Note: the phrase "cheese pizza" is not used at all in the Podesta emails. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:7204:1e00:91b2:5971:b151:5820 (talk) 14:00, 23 April 2018‎

References

"Post CP". KnowYourMeme.com.

Not done We use reliable sources. The New York Times is reliable. Know Your Meme is not, since its content is largely user-generated. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 22:31, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

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