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Re:Copyright

Thanks for the message. I'm a little rusty for having not been using admin tools much and I'm trying to make the rounds at CSD and ANI in an attempt to practice a little before I need a vacuum cleaner instead of a feather duster such as it were. I'd forgotten that copyright in the US is assumed unless its a work of the US government in which case it defaults to the public domain. Thank you for the refresher, and I will keep the copyright info in mind next time I try and make a lap around the csd pool. Thanks also for the message, chewing people out is the easier skill but correcting someone's faults should be the preferred approach, if we learn from our mistakes then hopefully we wont make the mistakes next time we try. TomStar81 (Talk) 02:34, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

TomStar81, not a problem. I hope that it did come off as a refresher rather than a chewing out. Copyright and Misplaced Pages is a difficult area, so I understand why you might not be familiar with the details if you don't work in it all the time TonyBallioni (talk) 02:36, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
Just as an fyi, copyright comes into existence the moment a work is "fixed" in some physical medium for all signatories of the Berne Convention, with no notice or registration required. (I can't see the diffs, so my apologies if this was already mentioned or is otherwise irrelevant.) isaacl (talk) 03:31, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
I said instant of creation, but yeah, same idea: anything that could be copied to Misplaced Pages from an online source is assumed copyright. TonyBallioni (talk) 03:44, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Phab

Can you have a look at this

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T159028

please? I'm not sure how to interpret the workflow and can't figure out if it has been done. Looks to me that it's been shunted to the WMF where it has been blocked by Community Tech. I hope I'm wrong. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 21:01, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

It has stalled, though I don't think it has been assigned to any team. User:AKlapper (WMF) just gave a snarky response rather than actually answering the question, which might be why you are confused. TonyBallioni (talk) 21:06, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
I don't see how that was "snarky". To me it was direct and honest... --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 06:58, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
I cannot but often wonder how all-most all of the WMF folks have such pathetic communication-skills.One ought to find out whether it's the effect of the organization, they work in or that WMF selectively chooses these sort of people...... ~ Winged Blades 07:26, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
​You didn’t actually provide a useable answer to anyone who doesn’t know how WMF development priorities work and ended with sarcasm. Anyway, I’m not here to fight over wording used 7 months ago, and I certainly don’t want this to turn into a WMF-hate fest: Kudpung is asking the question again because he didn’t understand the first answer you provided, so I think he’d appreciate it if you explained it to him on his talk page. TonyBallioni (talk) 07:34, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
I see, thanks for explaining. My first answer referred to meta:2017 Community Wishlist Survey (I should have provided a link, indeed). --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 07:51, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
AKlapper (WMF), your answer at Phab wasn't helpful at all. These issues are not something for ComTech's Weihnachtsstrumpf. Please be mindful that you are dealing with unpaid volunteers who work just as hard, if not harder than the WMF. There is now also the issue of the apparent procrastination over switching ACTRIAL back on to be ACPERM. We don't want people taking weeks to 'work on defining the priority' - the priority is now: 3 May (or earlier) as was agreed with Horn. Getting on with it promptly will strengthen WMF-Community relations which at best are always strained. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:34, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
I can only offer ways that I am aware of. If that's unfortunately not helpful, so be it. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 11:05, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Closing Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Moderate Left (Liberal Party of Australia)

You closed Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Moderate Left (Liberal Party of Australia), which was a joint nomination along with Conservative Right Liberal Party of Australia, with a unanimous consensus to delete both. I think you've missed the latter? Conservative Right Liberal Party of Australia is still live with the AfD tag. The Drover's Wife (talk) 22:48, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

The Drover's Wife, deleted. Sorry about that. The script missed it because it didn't read as bundled, and I forgot about it by the time I had finished reading the discussion. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:50, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the quick fix! The Drover's Wife (talk) 22:51, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

UPE as a driving reason to delete a draft

Hi Tony,

I’ve started seriously reviewing your recent policy talk posts, you are definitely very sensible, I find nothing disagreeable, and I would like to get onboard with being sensible.

A current difficult case in point is Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Generations of Hope. What you you do? Could you please consider commenting, either there or here? —SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:58, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Seen this. Distracted by a lot of other stuff on here and IRL today. I’ll comment tomorrow. TonyBallioni (talk) 18:06, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

ACTRIAL

Any update on T192455?! Anyways, I tampered a bit with the wording of the proposal and if that seems to be worse in your eyes, feel free to revert:) Best,~ Winged Blades 07:47, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Amanda Swimmer

On 25 April 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Amanda Swimmer, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Amanda Swimmer was one of the first individuals to propose different uses and names for traditional Cherokee pottery? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Amanda Swimmer. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Amanda Swimmer), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 12:03, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

A heads-up

I am drawing this to your attention because of your involvement in the Dec 2017 - Jan 2018 "Conduct of Mister Wiki editors" ARBCOM case. I am not asking for or suggesting any action; this is purely an FYI.

I have just received an email from User:JacobPace, of which the operative part reads: (Redacted)

My edit (my only edit, I think) on Disney Digital Network was to resolve a {{dn}} tag on 19 March 2018. I found it curious to get an email referring to it 5 weeks later.

I had no intention of following up the email even before I tracked down and read the ARBCOM decision. Should I choose to reply, it will be through a Talk Page post and not by email; for a couple of fairly obvious reasons. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 15:03, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Does make one wonder, if someone's only motivation for being on Misplaced Pages is to recruit editors and further their business, at what point that overlaps with not being here to build an encyclopedia. GMG 15:20, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
Mmmm. The argument trotted out against that is "why can't they are doing both?" Pffle. —SerialNumber54129 15:24, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
Well it's not like this is in any way a net positive. In fact, at this point, it would take probably a year of sustained constructive editing to even break even. GMG 15:29, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the redaction and the advice. I've forwarded the email as suggested. Narky Blert (talk) 15:50, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

request

Hey. I know this will sound funny, but would you mind G6ing Comités Jeanne so I can recreate it and get the "official creator" title? I already saved the wikitext on my computer. L293D (☎ • ✎) 18:20, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

How would that be either uncontroversial or maintenance? G6 is not for "title" seeking. It should be fine for DYK credit if that's the credit you're after. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 19:55, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
L293D, I agree with Amory. I don’t think that’d be a legitimate use of deletion. As an aside, if you look at all of “my” GAs on my userpage I didn’t create any of them. A fair amount of my DYKs are like that too. What matters is the work you do, not the initial editor. TonyBallioni (talk) 20:29, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

User:Traptor12

Hi TonyBallioni.

Traptor12 (talk · contribs) is repeatedly using extremely unreliable sources in BLP articles, and multiple comments from multiple editors (including yours) hasn't appeared to have changed this behavior. . I certainly think a block is necessary at this point. --Ronz (talk) 22:45, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Ronz, I forget the specifics of what those were about, but just looking at the reference in the warning, I’m assuming it involved sexual assault, so the diffs above, which I haven’t examined too closely, seem significantly different. If you feel that their editing in regards to BLPs is problematic enough to warrant sanctions, I would suggest making a report at WP:ANI or WP:AE. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:52, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Admin's Barnstar
ACPERM is a reality! I've chipped in a little extra at NPP since ACTRIAL ended, having gotten the NPP flag during ACTRIAL. The difference was incredible. Thanks for your dilligent efforts. John from Idegon (talk) 01:10, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Re:Thanks

Dear User:TonyBallioni, thank you for your message on my talk page. I saw your comment on WP:XNB and decided to help out at the article. I appreciate that you were able to specify that he was a cardinal when he wrote the text and I will definitely be on the lookout for other cases of that issue. Have a blessed night! With regards, Anupam 06:01, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Food

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Curd Rice

Hello! After the successful pilot program by Wikimedia India in 2015, Wiki Loves Food (WLF) is happening again in 2018 and this year, it's going International. To make this event a grant success, your direction is key. Please sign up here as a volunteer to bring all the world's food to Wikimedia. Danidamiobi (talk) 08:58, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Orangemoody editing

Hello Tony, take a look here. I think it's related to en.wiki also and there's accounts need to be blocked --Alaa :)..! 08:58, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, Alaa. I've sent an email to the functionaries mailing list letting them know about this, as they normally handle Orangemoody reports here. (Pinging @KrakatoaKatie and Drmies: on here as well so they're aware.) TonyBallioni (talk) 13:58, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Papal conclave, 1689

On 30 April 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Papal conclave, 1689, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Pope Alexander VIII, elected in 1689, was the first Venetian in over 200 years to become pope? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Papal conclave, 1689. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Papal conclave, 1689), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 12:02, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Sock of an account that you blocked

Hi,

I'm pretty sure that Dbdbbd (talk · contribs) is a recently created account to evade your block on Ndjdndbd (talk · contribs). (Similar edits from the two accounts: ( and ).

Could you please indef the sock? Thanks. 185.106.31.159 (talk) 00:52, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Dloh has indef'd it. They've been editing on an IP as well. I'll file an SPI to look for a range block/sleepers. TonyBallioni (talk) 00:59, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
Mmm..... It looks like Dloh has only 31h'd it, not indefed. L293D (☎ • ✎) 01:02, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
So he did, fixed. See also Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Ndjdndbd. TonyBallioni (talk) 01:08, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

You got there first

:) But my edit summary was better than yours...I'm afraid WP:DENY still applies, even if Vote (X) happens to be summer hols at the time  :) —SerialNumber54129 13:35, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Heh the CVN overlay does a pretty decent job at helping figure out which IPs probably shouldn't be commenting on stuff like that TonyBallioni (talk) 13:39, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Qbugbot

Hey Tony, I just discovered Qbugbot due to the spike in new page creations. I noticed that you strongly opposed the bot in the RfC, but then struck through your vote. Why did you change your mind? Just curious. Kaldari (talk) 17:56, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Kaldari, it was a long discussion, but I believe I struck it after there was a general agreement for some type of throttle and manual review. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:52, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Template:Asianet Programmes

Hi, why did you delete Template:Asianet Programmes? The seven-day grace period that is part of WP:CSD#T3 will not expire for 6 days 23 hours and a lot of minutes. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:48, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Redrose64: my mistake. The nomination came up on my watchlist as the creator was a sock I'd filed an SPI on, and I saw that it was not used and a duplicate, but missed the 7 day bit, as I'm not normally active dealing with T3s. Restored now. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:51, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
If they are a proven sock, and the sockmaster was blocked at the time that the template was created, it may be summarily deleted under WP:CSD#G5 with no grace period. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:55, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
Posilikely, but behaviorally part another admin agreed they were likely to be part of a UPE family. If you think G5 works, I can delete it. Don't know why I didn't tag it the first time around. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:59, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

G. Simon Harak

Apologies for my edits on G. Simon Harak. When I reviewed the edit, the infobox did not appear on my computer screen. This lead me to assume that it was a test edit. However, after you reverted my edit, it would seem that the infobox finally appeared. Perhaps I was reviewing another edit accidentally. INeedSupport (talk) 03:12, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Appropriateness

Hey, what do you think of this? !Voting on a discussion about AFD, with virtually the whole text of your comment being grave-dancing about a user who had been TBANned from deletion discussions (read: unable to defend themselves) seems a little out of the pale. I had half a mind to respond and tell him off for it, but I suspect that might just make it worse, and my last block was essentially for saying things that would have been completely acceptable and uncontroversial, if the editor I was talking about had been able to defend themselves... so, yeah, bad idea... Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 00:39, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

  • TenPoundHammer (talk · contribs) is not dead, this is not grave dancing. TPH was a high profile example WP:BEFORE violator, and raising this case demonstrates the seriousness of the problem, noting that it takes a long time for the community to be stirred into responding. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:43, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
FWIW, I've had people talk about me dancing on the graves of blocked editors and people dancing on my grave because I was retired; I've rarely seen "grave dancing" used literally on Misplaced Pages. If TPH was so critical to the case being made for amending the guidelines, AD would not be the only one to invoke their name, and the simple fact is that very few commenters in the ban discussion invoked BEFORE (AD didn't). Anyway, your showing up here when you have only edited this page once before (and that to open a new thread) strongly suggests you are BLUDGEONing a discussion that will be SNOW-closed before long. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 00:51, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
I think it was in bad taste, but I wouldn't call it gravedancing, and I think you can make an argument like SmokeyJoe did for it being an example rather than an attack. TonyBallioni (talk) 01:03, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
Meh. Maybe "gravedancing" was a poor choice of words. Honestly, if it were talking about an editor who had been TBANned and decided to leave the project rather than abide by, and ultimately perhaps appeal, the ban, I think invoking such a user's behaviour (though perhaps not explicitly naming them) as an example would be less inappropriate. It's discussing an editor who is still actively contributing to the project but who cannot respond to a comment in which they were explicitly named that concerns me. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 08:38, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
Naming and simple facts is better than innuendo. TPH is ok, he admitted going overboard, it’s a rare example of a slow response, as I said. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 08:54, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) But, as Joe and Tony point out, Andrew did not state anything that was new. TPH was a serial BEFORE-violator whose approach to deletion got him tbanned. That's public knowledge. What exactly would TPH have to defend himself against? Regards SoWhy 08:58, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
No idea. But it still seems somewhat icky -- a certain editor was blocked two years ago for battleground behaviour, and he did autopass a GA for a friend of his, and did viciously defend this action, all of which was public knowledge, but that didn't protect me from getting blocked for expressing satisfaction over the whole affair. Criticizing people when they are unable to defend themselves is inappropriate. (All that said, I might have only been blocked two years ago because a friend of said editor presented what I said as a "personal attack" as though it was a personal accusation made without evidence.) Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 09:13, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
"I think invoking such a user's behaviour (though perhaps not explicitly naming them) as an example would be less inappropriate." Not that you would ever do the same? You do seem to have an issue of precising others, "grave dancing" when they are not. If someone does 'grave dance,' it only degrades the dancer as a small person, but as you are so obsessed with it. Perhaps you should regularly take your concerns to AN/I or if it does not rise to that level, then leave it be; this is my suggestion. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 01:38, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
@C. W. Gilmore: No, I do do that; the problem is that it is not the same. As I stated in the text you quoted directly above, "grave dancing" is actually kinda the opposite of the problem: it's badmouthing editors who are still part of the Misplaced Pages community but are unable to defend themselves. It seems akin to bringing up a user's interaction bans in an unrelated context, so that they are unable to rebut you (which has happened to me, and I've seen it happen to others and told the offenders off for it). Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 01:59, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
(edit conflict) C. W. Gilmore, you are welcome here as well (any editor is), but I do ask that when people are on my user talk they not fight. Hijiri88 and I have a pretty good relationship, so I don't mind him asking me questions that might be more controversial on a noticeboard. I'll tell him what I think (as in this case, I disagree that it is gravedancing), and others are welcome to chime in as well, but there shouldn't be accusations or aspersions here. I want this to be a friendly space for everyone. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:03, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Basically unrelated issue except that it involves the same editor: does this seem a little weird? I know we have a fair degree of freedom with our own user talk pages, but retitling, decontextualizing, and "consolidating" other editors' messages seems inappropriate. Full disclosure, I'm still waiting on a reply to this message from three months ago, Ctrl+Fed my sig on his talk page, and noticed this for the first time since I posted it; I noticed further down the "thread" he had received a warning from Bish that struck me as interesting, but seemed weird that it took me a month and a half to notice something that had apparently sprung out of a discussion I had been heavily involved in, until I noticed that they were actually unrelated. Honestly this bothers me more because an editor who is being told off for not understanding a topic area he is editing in should not be "consolidating" discussions that he considers to be on the same topic (a similar conflation of Miyazawa Kenji with Daisaku Ikeda was a big problem for me back in 2015; arguably led indirectly to the Arbitration case, in fact). Not entirely sure what to do about it; I would ask him directly if I wasn't getting the feeling that the community might not share my feelings on the matter -- I respect your opinion, Tony, and if nothing else your talk page watchers can at least give a more diverse spectrum of opinions before I do something stupid like request that he self-revert. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 01:02, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
    • (edit conflict) Hi, Hijiri 88, first, apologies to you or anyone else whom I haven't been quick in responding too while appearing to be online: I've been busy today and likely will be through most of the weekend, and only have had the time to do a few quick things today.I've always found Andrew's talk page archive system a bit confusing. I'm assuming he likes to arrange it topically for his own reference. I've never been able to keep track of the formal TPO guidelines and how they interact with the freedom we tend to give people on their user talks: my rule has always been just to not mess with other's messages. Bishonen might have a better idea, and she was also consolidated there as well. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:03, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Basically the issue is that TPH's actions do not rise to the level of Grave Dancing C. W. Gilmore (talk) 01:42, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
@C. W. Gilmore: Umm ... what? The above comment had absolutely nothing to do with TPH ... ? What? Heck, even the unrelated issue at the top of the thread was not about TPH's actions. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 01:59, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
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