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(Posting by banned user removed.) Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:20, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Moved to Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case --DannyS712 (talk) 17:17, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Please don't move it there, this IP is banned Vote (X) for Change (talk · contribs), as so often. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:20, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

@Future Perfect at Sunrise: reverted --DannyS712 (talk) 17:22, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Some issues relating to the IP area

Looking at the wording of Template:ArbCom Arab-Israeli editnotice (that is, {{ARBPIA 1RR editnotice}}), it says (under "Template documentation"): "Note that a lack of this template is not an indication that the article is not subject to the restriction."

Alas, here, on 14 March 2019 ar.com added "This remedy may only be enforced on pages with the {{ARBPIA 1RR editnotice}} edit notice."

IE, you define it as one thing, then implement it to mean exactly the opposite. To me, this looks absurd.

Also, can non−admins still place {{ARBPIA}} on article talk pages? I was reverted on this, by an editor who said that this was now only to be done by admins. Is this correct? Huldra (talk) 22:58, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Absolutely incorrect. Non-admins can do that. Also, absence of the edit notice means the restrictions can’t be enforced, but it doesn’t really mean they aren’t in effect. ~ Rob₁₃ 00:22, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Distinction without a difference. nableezy - 14:34, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Not entirely. If an editor clearly aware of the restrictions knowingly was violating them on obvious pages that just didn't happen to have an edit notice yet, I would say file an ARCA. While admins at AE don't have the authority to sanction without the edit notice there, to prevent overzealous enforcement, the Committee theoretically could. I could see myself voting for a topic ban on an editor at ARCA if they were clearly violating the remedy but carefully avoiding situations in which it was enforceable at AE. The Committee generally frowns upon any form of "gaming" restrictions. ~ Rob₁₃ 16:08, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

First, User:L235 just changed the Template:ArbCom Arab-Israeli editnotice, so that it now say the same as the latest motion. So that problem has been taken care of.

Also, thank you for making it absolutely clear that non−admins can still place {{ARBPIA}} on article talk pages. User:GoldenRing also made it clear here that I could also place a {{ARBPIA 1RR editnotice}}. (I have been reverted on both, by people saying that I, as a non−admin, had no right to do so.) The ARBPIA notice really need to make this clearer, though: at the moment it is simply not clear that any editor can put an {{ARBPIA 1RR editnotice}} on a talk page.

Also, in effect this means at the present we virtually cannot report any 1RR violation to AE, as extremely few articles in the IP area actually have a edit notice. I reported a clear violation of 1RR to AE here, the reported editor walked off scot free due to the lack of edit notice on the page in question. It would be the same for, my guess: some 98% of the articles under ARBPIA sanction. The editor in question just came off a topic ban in February; to bring a thing like this to ARCA seems like a serious "upping" the level of bureaucracy. I don't see this as progress.

Finally, I would like to say that even if we "usual suspects" in the IP area rarely agree about a thing, except for what is under ARBPIA, or not. I cannot recall that there have been any serious disagreement between us about that issue. Roughly it is like this: when 2, 3 or more of "the usual suspects" appear on a talk–page, then it is under ARBPIA ;P Huldra (talk) 20:39, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

To editor BU Rob13: As I see it, the only real problem here is that ordinary editors don't have the technical ability to add editnotices to articles. It means that for practical purposes the 1RR rule has all but disappeared from ARBPIA. This is a bad thing because 1RR has long been the most effective dampener on edit warring there. Zero 00:21, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

@Zero0000: You are welcome to take any page that needs an edit notice to my talk page and I'm happy to place one. Same goes for anyone else. ~ Rob₁₃ 02:08, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

I've placed ~100 edit notices just now, including all of Category:Israeli–Palestinian conflict. I'll keep going through subcategories and placing edit notices every once in a while. Feel free to ask for edit notices in specific places on my talk, still, if needed. ~ Rob₁₃ 02:33, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Much appreciated. Zero 03:09, 21 April 2019 (UTC)