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Why not arbcom

I was glad to see your nomination but sad to see that you were not running for the arbcom. Perhaps you would consider it in future. I hope you would and you will have my strong support if you do. --DBigXrayᗙ 08:12, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

@DBigXray: I appreciate the vote of confidence, and I meant to reply to your note a while back that I'm glad your editing experience has improved. Like I said all along I don't really follow the topics, but it's been a pretty long time since I've seen anything related to India-Pakistan come up at SPI or the admin boards, so we must be doing something right. As for Arbcom, I've had some time to think about it since several editors I respect suggested I should run last year, and I declined then mostly just because I'm busy. Besides still being busy, there are two main, broad reasons I'm not considering a run this year.
  • For one, it's been less than six months since I publicly called on the entire membership of the committee to resign as a matter of principle, over a few disagreements in interpretation of policy. Several of those members will still be on the committee next year, and it's not that I'm so much concerned about not being able to work with them, we're all adults, but Arbcom is supposed to be an impartial body, and having the perception of infighting among members weakens the committee as a whole.
  • The other, more important reason is that it's become vogue among many editors to treat the committee as the community's punching bag. Criticism of the committee is definitely warranted at times, but many editors are just lining up to openly attack and harass committee members over every statement and decision. Some of the editors involved are open on-wiki about their intent to dismantle the committee through these actions, and indeed the only arbitrators who have tried to respond to these waves of open harassment have themselves been harassed off the committee or bullied off the project. Somehow as a community we've fostered an environment where this is just par for the course, that one must be expected to endure this unending abuse just to participate here, and somehow the editors involved are clueless to the fact it's their own actions and apologism for harassment that inspire the WMF to step in and ban people (often the wrong people). Until the community does some serious introspection about this serious problem, and a few people at the centre of it are kicked out, it's unlikely I'll be interested in purposely opening myself to more harassment than I already get as a checkuser.
So that's my thoughts on the matter, and in a nutshell why you'll not see my name on an Arbcom ballot next month. Ivanvector (/Edits) 20:12, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks a lot for taking time to respond. These are valid points and clarifies your stand. Hope things improve in the coming years so that you change your mind to run sometime. --DBigXrayᗙ 15:12, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

I appreciate the help!

Thanks for editing that page's protection yesterday. I've requested the same from several other admins on their respective talk pages (for the exact same reasons). They appear not to be online (at least recently). Could you update the following pages as well?

User talk:Ks0stm
User talk:Plastikspork
User talk:Noyster
User talk:Mifter

Thanks! Buffs (talk) 16:34, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

I saw some of those requests, yeah. I'm going to be pretty busy until after Monday so I can't really commit time to look into these now. If you think it's urgent, could you post at WP:AN? I guess you could also post a request for unprotection at WP:RFPP but I feel like this is probably worth a trip to AN, just as a reminder to everyone that ECP is not supposed to be used on templates. Ivanvector (/Edits) 16:43, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
I don't think it's "urgent", so I'll wait. I also do not think that "ECP is not supposed to be used on templates", it just isn't supposed to be used in the manner in which it's liberally being applied in these instances. Some templates are under ArbCom rulings and others are facing persistent disruptive editing...I see no issue with such protection. They just need better clarification in the logs. Buffs (talk) 17:08, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
Any chance you could knock these out tomorrow? If not, I'll just ask another Admin. Buffs (talk) 03:35, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
Any update? Buffs (talk) 17:25, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
@Buffs: my apologies again, it's been an unusually intense week. I'll take a look through these this evening. Ivanvector (/Edits) 21:22, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
See my notes above. Ivanvector (/Edits) 22:14, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

You have been selected as a reserve election commissioner for 2019's ArbCom election

Greetings! Thank you for volunteering to serve as an election commission for WP:ACE2019. Following the community discussion at Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Arbitration Committee Elections December 2019/Electoral Commission, you have been selected as a reserve election commissioner for this year's election. Best of luck! — xaosflux 00:07, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

🎉🎉🎉! Ivanvector (/Edits) 22:15, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Question on SPI tagging

Thanks for taking a look at this SPI case. I noticed after filing that the Gaditano23 case was merged into Azerti83's investigation. However, Gaditano23 and its associated socks aren't listed under Category:Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Azerti83. Should these also be merged? And is that something anyone could take care of, or is handling those tags strictly the purview of checkusers? Nblund 23:00, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

  • @Nblund: sorry, I missed your note for a few days, but I think yes, the Gaditano23 socks should have been re-tagged, but I'm not positive what happened here. Sro23 is the clerk that did the merge, maybe they have some insight. They also have a couple of excellent corvids on their user page, so that's a good omen. Ivanvector (/Edits) 22:28, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
I can hardly remember what I was thinking yesterday, let alone last year. Also I don't understand why the Gaditano23 case was merged into the Azerti83 case and not the other way around; Gaditano23 is clearly the older account, having registered in June of 2017 while Azerti83 was created in October of that year. Oh well. I updated the tags. Sro23 (talk) 01:57, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
Squawk, Lenore! errr, I mean thanks all for taking a look! Nblund 02:27, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Qwertywander block

Thanks for that IP subnet block. It's exhausting keeping up with this person. Guy (help!) 14:54, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

SPI procedural close

Hi Ivan, sorry about the duplicate SPI at Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Scottceneje, obviously I didn't realise Cabayi had already created one. Thanks for doing the procedural close, but I just wanted to point out that one of the potential socks has commented, acknowledging paid editing at the request of another, but put the comment in the duplicate rather than original SPI. I'm not familiar enough with SPIs to know what the best option is, so I'm hoping you will. Thanks, Melcous (talk) 12:55, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

I've merged all of the comments into one report. Thanks. Ivanvector (/Edits) 12:56, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
Too easy, thank you! Melcous (talk) 12:58, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Keats KTS

My apologies x2. I only thought the "don't do anything please" note I saw after moving was only related to the move. If I had realized it was more broad, I wouldn't have even edited the page after that. --TheSandDoctor 13:49, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

No problem, I just got three edit conflicts in a row with you and needed my edit to save before the case was moved again. Still not quite sure who the master actually is. Ivanvector (/Edits) 13:51, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

BKFIP (again)

Hi, thanks for range blocking 92.41.0.0/17 - looks like the user came straight back on 188.30.36.33 (talk · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log)), which resolves to 188.30.32.0/19 (block range · block log (global) · WHOIS (partial)), another Three UK address. I've blocked for an equal length of time (3 months), but I'd like this reviewed, as I'd prefer my actions to be backed up by other admins. Ritchie333 17:58, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Thumbs up from me, that's obviously the same user. Personally I wouldn't block these ranges for very long because it looks like there's some collateral, not that you should change yours, just saying. I blocked the other one longer than I normally would because of its block log - BKFIP is using it repeatedly. Ivanvector (/Edits) 18:03, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
Okay - there is quite a bit of collateral on there, though no edits in the past five days. I'm quite happy for you to reduce it to whatever you see fit, as I think you're more experienced in this area than I am. Ritchie333 18:06, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

  Boo!

Happy Halloween!

Hello Ivanvector:
Thanks for all of your contributions to improve Misplaced Pages, and have a happy and enjoyable Halloween!
    – DBigXrayᗙ 15:12, 31 October 2019 (UTC)



Send Halloween cheer by adding {{subst:Happy Halloween}} to user talk pages with a friendly message.
Is it celebrated in your area in any form ? just curious. --DBigXrayᗙ 15:12, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
Thank you! Yes it's a significant celebration around here, on par with Christmas (IMO). I didn't this year, I didn't have any candy and my wife was working anyway so I hid out in the basement and let the dog bark at the few children who came to our door. It was also kind of miserable weather so I don't think there were many folks out anyway. Do you celebrate in your part of the world? Ivanvector (/Edits) 13:17, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
I became aware of this festival only through hollywood movies. I like the horror genre, and there are many movies on this theme. I was under the impression that it is only popular in US (or maybe Mexico). So the fact that is celebrated in a big way at your place is new info for me. Those kids must have got the scare . Halloween is not a part of Indian culture or traditions, so it is mostly not celebrated. In the metropolitan cities that are aware of the western culture (through movies/cartoons of course) it is celebrated among the young people and kids. For example you will find some of the pubs and restaurants decorated in the Halloween theme and the patrons are suggested to wear accordingly for the event. A publicity stunt basically. A few fancy dress competitions might be held in Colleges and schools. Horror movies will be played on the TV channels. And that's about it. I am a dog lover myself, so I am curious which breed you have?--DBigXrayᗙ 07:23, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Note

Regarding this Killershark101 has resumed editing... nonsense edits . ♟♙ (talk) 21:13, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

thank you

thank you for allowing me to edit Moscowdreams (talk) 19:43, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

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Block evasion

Hello. After you blocked Harlyn35, a couple Madrid-based IPs have began editing Genocide of indigenous peoples. Initially to restore all of the sock's edits and now to edit the same section as the sock. Hrodvarsson (talk) 03:17, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

That's pretty obvious. I've blocked the latest IP and semiprotected the page. If any more IPs or new accounts continue reverting that same edit, please report it to WP:SPI as I'm going to be away for a bit. Ivanvector (/Edits) 12:36, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

User:MHist01

Hi Ivanvector. You blocked this account per Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/J-Man11. The account created Iona College Pipe Band and uploaded File:MacLean of Duart, Modern.jpg for use in the article. I had some concerns about whether there was some COI editing involved and also about the notability of the band article, but figured I'd give the creator a chance to clarify the former and try to improve the latter (as suggested at WT:UNI#The Iona College Pipe Band) before bringing things up for discussion at COIN or AFD. However, since the article and file are technically the work of someone evading a block, I'm wondering if those things are even necessary now. The file was being discussed at WP:MCQ#File:MacLean of Duart, Modern.jpg where concerns were raised about it's copyright status, but again not sure if that matters now because of the socking, etc. Any idea as to what to do here? Some admins feel that content created by accounts evading blocks should be deleted as a matter of principle, but others tend to take things more on a case-by-case basis. Once again, I've tried to doing some WP:BEFORE for the band, but haven't had much luck and don't see it really surviving an AfD unless much better sources are found. -- Marchjuly (talk) 15:22, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

I didn't notice you were on a Wikibreak when I posted this; so, apologize for that. Anyway, things were sorted out by another admin. Hope you enjoy your break. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:20, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Clutter family murders

Hello. Can you please weigh in at the discussion here ---> Misplaced Pages:Help desk#Clutter family murders? You were involved previously and you (originally) uncovered/discovered the "reverse copyright" scenario. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 16:40, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

@Joseph A. Spadaro: sorry, I was away in a cabin in the mountains in Nova Scotia with no internet access when you posted this and it seems to have rotated off of the help desk already. Let me know if there's something still going on that I can help with. Ivanvector (/Edits) 12:52, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Hijiri88

Well, there was "no consensus" to delete. (Discounting the four editors who showed up after you to express their personal dislike of me and my editing, it was 5-2 in favour of deletion, but I guess MFD closers generally don't deal with harassment by long-term "good-faith" contributors.)

Any chance I could still get the page deleted/suppressed through some other method? (I'd also be happy to discuss this by email.)

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 23:20, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

  • @Hijiri88: see my note above to Joseph A. Spadaro; I've been away. Honestly, there's very little that we are empowered to do locally about this; I'll explain why before I make a controversial suggestion below. I suggested in my comment that you could approach oversight about scrubbing your IP addresses from the page but you'd have to make a good case why it should be removed now after being visible for 10 months, when you disclosed it yourself, and when you maintain a list in your user space of previous accounts and IPs you've used. Anyway they would not delete the page, just remove private information. You could approach Arbcom but they are not empowered to delete pages (I personally made a big scene about that exact issue less than six months ago) and if they decided to ignore that policy again in this case (because harassment or whatever) it would be another massive drama-fest and would lead to more harassment regardless of the outcome. Your real last resort on-wiki is going to be ANI, where (as you know) there are a large cadre of experienced editors who push back against any attempts to deal with harassment, because it weakens their hand in long-term editorial disputes, though they mask their motive in inappropriate "because policies" and "maintain a record of abuse" type arguments. You know this last bit intimately: several of those editors voted to keep this page explicitly because they can use it to hound you based on a conclusion they've drawn that was explicitly refuted at SPI. It's grossly inappropriate, but I say again that there's little we can do about it. So here's my suggestion: contact the Wikimedia Foundation's Trust & Safety team directly, explain the situation, refer to this comment if you like (I'll gladly speak with them if they contact me about it), and then say no more about it on Misplaced Pages because nobody here will do the right thing (I risk several of my bits if I delete the page on an IAR rationale) and it will just draw more of the wrong kind of attention. Do feel free to email me if you like. Ivanvector (/Edits) 13:18, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

HS2000

Hello.Please check the user Pikkyunosen I think it's the same sockpupet VJ-Yugo because after he managed to change and put terrorists under the user on the HS2000 page as it stands today he started immediately and changed on the HS Product VHS page.So if it is, please change it and put it on Tom.Reding edit.Thank you https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=HS2000&diff=920103574&oldid=916957939 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.138.2.221 (talk) 14:48, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, I can't remove that edit based on possible block evasion, that account did not come up in my checks for one thing but also the edit was restored by another administrator (courtesy ping El C) and in my review it is reliably sourced. Please drop the notion that we are "popularizing terrorists" - Misplaced Pages does not promote any particular point of view, we simply repeat information that can be verified with reliable sources, and if ISIL is using this weapon then it does not violate any policies to say so. However, I did review the source in some detail, and it seems that Amnesty has only listed one instance of having found one of these handguns in one ISIL cache, so it seems it may be somewhat undue weight to list ISIL as a prominent user based on this one instance. One would expect a rogue militia of this sort to use whatever weapons they can get their hands on, not necessarily purchase from or be armed by any particular supplier. If you feel strongly about it you should start a discussion on the article's talk page since it is currently protected. Ivanvector (/Edits) 16:46, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
I wasn't aware that the source only lists one handgun having been found. I have therefore removed ISIS as a user. El_C 16:54, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

So he put the image as the source of a terrorist with that rifle that was stolen from the Iraqi army on the HS Product VHS page. Thank you all. Goodbye — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.138.2.221 (talk) 17:00, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, that source appears to be garbage. It's drawing a conclusion off of a Twitter photo. The Amnesty report doesn't explicitly refute it (it's not a list of guns that ISIL doesn't use, who would compile such a thing?) but it also doesn't list the VHS anywhere in its very thorough report. I think it's reasonable to discredit this source. Ivanvector (/Edits) 17:23, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

That it was a pair of seized rifles from the Iraqi army, no one sold it to them. Will come again in a few days sockpupet VJ-Yugo when protection expires had dynamic ip just write some nickname to change it, thats not giving up :).Thanks all — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.138.2.221 (talk) 17:45, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

1rr for AP

That was worded ambiguously. It would only apply to Snoogansnoogans. Is that what you understood? Doug Weller talk 21:17, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

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Message

Hi Ivan. There's a new message on your Meta-wiki user talk page. Would you take a look? 2402:1980:824A:7ED7:3D34:1E3E:65FE:C014 (talk) 16:48, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Just in case I screwed up the ping...

Just wanted to make sure you saw the SPI check I opened here about the continued quackery at Genocide_of_indigenous_peoples. There's no rush here, but I figure you already know the case, and you mentioned you might have an additional check through centralauth in your last closure. Nblund 21:43, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Out of curiosity

Your recent !vote here assumed that the majority of listings at the "Rescue List" result in editors improving the AFD-nominated articles so they do not get deleted. But what about cases where they do not actually improve the articles (either making them worse by introducing poorly sourced content/OR or not actually editing the articles at all) but !vote in the AFDs anyway, resulting in either a "no consensus" result or a "keep" depending on how many non-ARS members happened to stop by? With Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of scientists who disagree with the scientific consensus on global warming, for instance, it's been over two days since the ARS posting, with no substantial improvement of the article itself and at least three members of ARS (not including myself) showing up to !vote "keep" and thus far accounting for 3/7 of the keep !votes in the discussion (not counting the SPA). Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:58, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

I think you're preaching to the wrong admin here, Hijiri88. I get what you're saying, but I'm generally of the opinion that AfDs should survive on the basis of the topic's prospective notability alone, not on the present quality of the article. Furthermore nominating an article for deletion does not compel immediate resolution of every issue with it to stave off deletion - WP:NOTCLEANUP and WP:NODEADLINE are still widely endorsed opinions with which I agree. The other issue with the MfD is that ARS has been nominated so many times, always with the same rationale and the same outcome, that it's become pointlessly disruptive, which is why I just copied and pasted my argument from the previous discussion complete with the timestamp.
If you find that ARS participants are regularly arguing to keep hopeless topics then it's probably an issue that should be raised at ANI, not in another MfD, because it's a behavioural issue. Personally I've not seen much evidence that that's happening, certainly not to a level that warrants shutting down the project, but I also don't spend a lot of time at AfD. And this is all just one guy's opinion, of course. Ivanvector (/Edits) 00:48, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
I get what you're saying, but I'm generally of the opinion that AfDs should survive on the basis of the topic's prospective notability alone, not on the present quality of the article. Well, maybe, but at mottainai, ARS editors showed up and steamrolled the AFD (which was based on WP:NOTDICT rather than notability) without making any attempt to improve the article, and then tried to prevent any improve the article as much as five years later. (Or six -- I don't doubt that there is some sockpuppetry afoot on the page right now.) One particular ARS member routinely posts lists of GBooks hits, none of which he has apparently read and none of which could be used to improve the article, and is followed thereafter by others who say "Keep per Andrew Davidson". What would you say to amending the ARS CoC to say that editors who have not actually edited the article should not show up to !vote on the AFD? Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 01:01, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
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